It's joever | Tachiyomi

UnixWeeb@lemmy.dbzer0.com to Piracy: ꜱᴀɪʟ ᴛʜᴇ ʜɪɢʜ ꜱᴇᴀꜱ@lemmy.dbzer0.com – 374 points – It's joever
tachiyomi.org

Sucks...

tl;dr

Tachiyomi will no longer be actively developed. It may continue to work for you for the foreseeable future but there will be no support for it nor the official extensions.

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This is how FOSS dies.

Where the living fuck are the EFF's team of lawyers?

I know they generally focus on US cases, but god damn, you'd think the egregiousness of this would get their asses involved.

I mean the eff can only do so much to defend people who didn't even fucking bother in the slightest to defend themselves and just rolled over at every turn

Was the case issued in Japan? From what I've read the legal system there is famously one sided, criminal cases have a 99.8% conviction rate.

Kakao is Korean, but no cases have been issued yet right? Only threats

Yes but thats enough for people with no money...

For sure. I just mentioned it since the person I'm replying seemed to say a case already existed.

One of Tachiyomi contributors will fork the app and continue development

https://old.reddit.com/r/mangapiracy/comments/195vq2e/a_tachiyomi_fork_hoping_to_be_the_spiritual/

Hopefully their personal information won't be found out by those lawyers, or they could also be threatened into stopping development. It's sad to see how companies are bullying volunteers into stopping legal projects.

Edit: SLAPP suits are similar to this, where companies file lawsuits while knowing they'd lose, if the defendent had the time, money and stress tolerance to win the lawsuit. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_lawsuit_against_public_participation

Companies that do that should loose all copyright and patents they ever had in return. I think that would solve the problem pretty quickly. (or the responsible person should get his hands cut off like in the good old days lol)

While many will be understandably angry or disappointed in our lack of backbone or perceived selfishness

I'm angry and disappointed, but it is not because awesome people stop dedicating their free time to provide a free product, it's because some money hungry corporation decided to bully less powerful individuals who didn't even do anything wrong.

And it's not the first time that this company did fucked up stuff...

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Their reasoning is sound. They don't want to defend against a corporation for a hobbyist project. There's already going to be a fork so that's good I guess. I just hope jay forks it for a J2K version.

This is a big part of why I dislike consolidating downloading and viewing.

I've been using PerfectViewer on a tablet for viewing for ages. I'm sure there's a better one and would be game for recommendations, but I am very used to this app and its quirks.

There exist any number of ways to download and sync the chapters to my device. I currently mostly use the mangadex-dl script and a syncthings folder and it's no trouble. And all my read chapters I can just move into an archive drive where I'll have them if anything ever happens.

This is standard practice with media. You use something like MPV for viewing and the downloading is handled elsewhere.

i either download shit locally, or stream from a server I run. (maybe a little spotify, since it's not known to take half your library "because licensing")

The Streisand effect of this all is great. I can't be the only one that found out about this app (and the repos) because of the stupid law suit right? Amazing that they went after the container instead of the contents.

Can't wait for Glad or Rubbermaid to be C&D'd when the cops find contraband in one of their bags/bins.

There's already dozens of forks. There was before all of this even started. Sad to see it go, but the app itself and how it functions will pretty well certainly go on. Tachiyomi isn't even an app that needs routine updates, it's the extensions that do. So existing setups will probably work indefinitely so long as extensions continue getting updates...

So, sounds very "oh fuck" but for end users probably means literally nothing changes. Unless something breaks the functionality of the app, which really just means the reader and library and everything, it doesn't need active maintenance. Bugs might crop up occasionally, but everything looks fine as of now.

For now, this is true. But those forks get updates from Tachiyomi (changes in Android / security fixes / feature updates / bug fixes) so they need a new base.

It seems important to follow the Mihon rebrand. Some forks, SY and AZ, announced they will rebase off Mihon (it's in the #faq of the Mihon discord server https://discord.gg/mihon)

I hate capitalism I hate capitalism

This isn't about capitalism, this is about legal systems sucking ass.

Tbf,what Kakao is doing isn't legal

Yes, but to prove that you'd have to go to court and that requires lawyers wich can't work for free.

I say lets DDOS their website and services until they fuck off. They are a illigal monopoly as well in Korea but their korrupt system doesn't do shit against them.

No no, throw drugs in their HQ then go after them. The precedent set is that the container is the problem, not the source of the illegal things itself.

If we throw stuff in there it should be 20 tonns of Cocaine and that in every corner of their offices so that the entire company goes down.

DDOS is terribly illegal.
Thabk you but no.
You can do it if you want to. I wouldnt advocate the action though.

DDOS is terribly illegal

Bro... We are in a piracy community... And shit is only illegal if you get caught in general.

Copyright vs federal jurisdiction.

I wonder for what you get a slap on the wrist and a fine and for what prison/jail time when participating.

What we do here with piracy for mostly personal gain is petty at best. That comment excludes the uploaders of such content.

What even is Tachiyomi?

Edit: manga reading app, it also lets you follow sources and tells you when new episodes are published.

Perhaps one of the forks will take over.

R.I.P tachiyomi, I have used it for years. Kind of sad to see it go. Are the forks also abandoning development ? I have been using the TachiJ2k fork for the past 3 years or so.

I guess I will be shifting to kotatsu soon.

TachiyomiSY will still be actively developed. No idea about J2K but I read somewhere that the dev will implement third party repo support sometime next week so I guess that's a sign.

SY devs have announced to develop a new app that won't be just a tachiyomi fork.

@everyone Update we now have a name. Mihon (見本), Logo is being made by the same guy who made Tachiyomi's Context: Coming to terms with the practice of 'tachiyomi' but not wanting to have all of their books flipped through, bookstores started designing books and magazines labeled ‘Mihon’ (ie. samples) for people who engage in ‘tachiyomi’.

Yeah Mihon is the successor to Tachyomi but TachyomiSY's dev also clarified that he'll still be working on SY as its own thing.

I don't know why they want to continue working on two different things when one clearly tries to be a successor.

I use SY and I get the sense that Bobby is more of a fast and loose type while the Mihon dev is focused more on polish. My assumptions are based on the unpolished nature of SY features and the Mihon dev saying "some of us liked plain Tachiyomi" [sic].

I just downloaded TachiyomiSY before a week and I liked how it was better than TachiyomiSY in feature wise. I think Bobby is a dev who focuses more on features aspect. So if the other dev focuses on user interface, I hope it might be a good pair.

Mihon dev is focused more on polish

I was wondering what does this have to do with Polish people 😭

No idea as well but more options is always good

more options are definitely good if the developers are different, i hope the devs aren't burner out by developing two applications serving the same purpose.

Here's to hoping j2k stays actively developed. Unlikely, as j2 himself already had pretty low drive for it already. (｡╯︵╰｡)

This is obviously sad and frustrating, but

P.P.S. I think someone on Reddit owes someone else $100 now.

Where can I find this juicey reference?

Ah yes, this will definitely make me buy Manga and Comics now. Good job Kakao whatstheirname company. Stuff like this definitely does not radicalize me further. Pinky promise.

What a cowards approach. Closing up shop due to legal threats is one thing, but then just lock the discord, and official reddit so people can't discuss the decision amongst themselves because they can't face their own actions, what a bunch of sad sacks.

The days in between the last update for the app and this decision is comical. Just constant questions about this extensions change and people worrying that this was the end of Tachiyomi and the support staff literally saying "If you think we are dying then just leave" shows a toddler level of professionalism and empathy.

4 days...

If anyone interested, i don't really give a damn about like anything

When the police tries to stop my motorbike, i just continue riding

If you need any person who will officially show middle fingers to any authorities, send me a message

While many will be understandably angry or disappointed in our lack of backbone or perceived selfishness

At least they're aware of their deficiencies

How about you spend tens of thousands of dollars you don't have to defend a hobby project in court?

Against a corporation that has a shitload of funding in a tech illiterate court

They didn't even fucking try the bare minimum of just refusing to comply. Besides, it's such a comically baseless case by some fucking worthless gook company. It doesn't cost tens of thousands of dollars to tell them to shove it up their ass, at the bare minimum.

Kakao is one of the biggest Korean companies, their app is used over there as common as Whatsapp is in the west.

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