Some people purchase a phone based on looks, some for customization, others for specific apps, some it comes just down to what they can afford
I can come up with strong reasons to use Window or MacOS as your primary desktop os. IOS or Android as your phone OS. Windows / Linux / BSD for a server or appliance OS.
If someone thinks one size fits all THEY are the ones that should not be trusted in terms of tech insights.
Agreed.
Edit: Username confirms LOL
I can't think of on3 scenario that windows is the best option for a server. I mean unless its its a virtual desktop for a thin client but still usually would run that in a Linux vm
can't think of on3 scenario that windows is the best option for a server.
There are plenty of enterprise scenarios: eg an AD server for Windows clients, a DFS server, or servers to run certain Windows-only applications such as SCCM etc.
So windows is the right option only when it's the only one
BSD has a very narrow set of benefits over Linux based systems I could say the same for BSD which mostly amounts to network appliances / firewalls these days. I would say NAS but Even trueNAS is moving toward linux.
Spot on and a great view point.
Oh, we are back at being jerks to each other because of phone. Lovely.
I work around a lot of technical people. From software to devops, sys admins to hardware engineers, entry level to exec suite; and I have contacts around the world from my job. Itās a mixed bag as to which phone they all use, and itās never had any effect on how I view their technical abilities. My personal phone is an iPhone, and my work one is a pixel 7 pro. Itās been that way for over a decade. There are things I like and dislike about both platforms. At the end of the day the ātechnicalā things I do have little, if anything, to do with my phone.
Any personal judgement a stranger makes based on phone, OS, sportsball team, etc really only highlights their own childishness, need for something to lord over others, and propensity towards tribalism. I have no time for that BS.
Yep. I use either and both. They are both phones that work well and have annoying issues.
I think tech guys are split on apple because of the different priorities. Apple has a very clean, optimized and seamless OS and ecosystem.
Apple is also objectively extremely anti-consumer as well. No side loading, proprietary software and hardware, ludicrously overpriced hardware, locked down OS, and highly monopolistic. All of these only get stronger the more who use Apple, and so many tech people are turned off by it.
Personally, I am more of the latter. I don't care if my phone is a Nokia 3310 in comparison. I'd rather die standing than live kneeling.
No sideloading? Sure iOS and iPadOS are pretty locked down, but homebrew? Most of the apps on my Mac didnāt come from the App Store.
As for the price, sure theyāre expensive, but they last! I have a 2006 mini still kicking around, a 2013 iMac still chugging alongā¦ neither still receive updates, but that doesnāt stop me from running some flavor of Linux on them for one reason or another. On that front, Apple has pissed me off a bit, though. The first Mac I used was a G4 that got software updates for right around 10-years. The mini I have got about the same. The iMac got 8 years, IIRC. That made me mad.
For context I use all of these daily: Linux (servers + handheld gaming), Windows (gaming), Mac OS (work & general purpose). I used one of the first iPhones around 2008, then exclusively Android for 10 years, and then back to iPhones.
Iphone users of Lemmy, people say not to trust you on tech insights.
IMO, these "people" with such takes are the only ones who shouldn't be trusted on tech insights here :P
Thereās plenty of complete tech idiots on both sides and geniuses on both sides. Lemmy is hardcore Linux, everything should be free. Anything apple is shit on.
Anything apple is shit on.
Because Apple is a horrible company, not because of the technical knowledge of its users.
The users are shit on.
Anything apple is shit on.
Uh ooh...
Who cares what phone you have. It's just a phone.
I feel like if you paid extra for an iPhone, that says something bad.
It's just a stupid phone brand, it doesn't mean anything.
Fuck em. I donāt want to talk to them anyway. If having a phone preference different than them is a problem
The phone you use doesnāt say anything about your tech insights. Why should it?
However, it may tell you something about the kinds of things the person values. If price matters, youāll go with the cheapest Android. If features matter, youāll go with a flagship Android. If privacy matters, youāll get a specific Android phone and install GrapheneOS on it.
There are also a variety of reasons for getting an iPhone, and they may reflect your values in some way.
There are also a variety of reasons for getting an iPhone, and they may reflect your values in some way.
Yummy. Tell me more
I bought a refurbished ā¬100 iPhone SE the year before last, and itās survived being dropped literally scores of times, awful charging practices, and nobody else wants it. Before that, it was a ā¬125 6+ that I got rid of because it was too big and made my hand hurt. Before that it was an iPhone 4 that was given to me in 2012, which only died when I ran it over with a car.
My reasons are: free/cheap, easy profile transfer, high functionality regardless of how I treat it.
100%, Iām not tech savvy, especially for lemmy standards (I donāt get asked to do tech things for family, but I can generally troubleshoot problems I encounter). I am cheap regarding time and money though, and itās simply economics. If youāve got a consistent android alternative where I can spend ā¬375 (assuming the first wasnāt free, but a similar price to the others) for three phones (or fewer) that function well for my purposes (browser, data heavy apps, and a lot of dumb screenshots) over 12 years, Iām down.
Iām still running an original 2016 SE and even 8 years after release itās still going strong and getting updates, the only reason Iām looking to upgrade is because itās a struggle to keep it charged all day even with a battery bank case. Idk why all new phones are so massive now but I hate that I canāt find anything anywhere near the same size as the SE.
I have had to change iPhone batteries before and replacement batteries werenāt super expensive (ā¬40-70, with a proprietary set of tools that is something like ā¬20). Now that I have a cat it would be a challenge, but itās not too complicated if you watch a walk-through first and keep track of your screws.
Some people like the looks. Some people buy one because it serves as a status symbol. Some people just go with the flow and buy one, simply because everyone else already has one. Some people appreciate the coherent UI. Some people already use various other Apple products and services, so they prefer to get the synergy of also using an iPhone.
I donāt really care much about any of those things, but I have some special software and hardware that only works with vanilla or OEM Android and iOS. Trust me, I tried lots of different tweaks and hacks, but eventually had to face the harsh reality that nowadays things are specifically designed to prevent people like me from doing whatever I want. If things had worked with Lineage or Graphene, I would obviously be using those instead. Since that isnāt the case, I had to pick the least offensive one from a list of two awful options. This decisions shows that I value the compatibility that comes with an iPhone.
Iām sure there are lots of other reasons too.
Back in the day, iPhones ran more and better games. I just never switched to Android. To be fair, Iām also currently rocking a four year old iPhone and will continue to do so until it dies. Weāll see what happens from thereā¦ Iāll probably just try and get it fixed.
It matches my Stanley
If all your friends have an apple phone it's easy to buy one too. They have some features that makes having an android in an apple friend group quite anoying. For example the classic: "I'm going to air drop you the picture." And then only after every apple user in the room has got the picture they think about sending it the classic way to the outsider. It doesn't sound like much, but it doesn't just happen with air drop, but with a lot of those features.
Source: I'm the android guy in an apple friend group.
They all are far from techy.. I think it's wrong to generalize, but I think if you don't know shit it's easier to go with apple. Android usualy is far more customizable, but some people just don't care and want a phone that just works. And for those apple can be the right option, because in general it's easier to understand at a first glance.
You should try LocalSend as an alternative to Airdrop with your Iphone friends!
Doesnāt that only work if everyone is connected to the same WiFi?
Yep, I donāt give a shit about AirDrop or even use the ecosystem. Just iPhone and AirPods.
iPhone because I am a discerning consumer whose current life needs fit it better. AirPods because they are best in class for iPhones (yes due to anti consumer policies). In college sure I customized the heck out of my androids.
Now I just want something that runs fast and reliably browses the internet. AdGuard takes care of the rest.
I used to buy proper Samsung/LG flagship Androids and absolutely loved them for my needs at the time. But every single one went to complete shit after 2 years. Huge battery drain, slow and unresponsive, no updates.
My iPhone is 3.5 years old, still blazing fast, battery drain consistent with degradation, still getting updates, still no need to get a new phone.
This entire debate is literally the bell curve soyjack meme lmao but I had fun typing at least!
Ngl I donāt think Iāve ever used airdrop in the last 5 years other than trying to use it once or twice during covid, people werenāt showing up though no matter what my settings were so idk what happened.
Yeah I've seen family and friends struggle with airdrop, there are always 1 or 2 it doesn't work for so they might as well be Android.
Who says that? Seems kind of silly to put some one in a box based on their phone OS preference
So I originally bought one due do family circumstances. A family member was in a heavily HEAVILY censored part of the world- the type of place that you canāt get emails or text messages out of. The type of place where any communication sent over their network WAS being monitored, so you had to speak very carefully.
iMessage was the only 100% reliable method of contact, so I got an iPhone and just havenāt upgraded since.
Propertiary software esp iMessage and other apps I rely on atm, has kinda prevented me from moving to fully android. I have started to use Linux on my laptop permanently though.
But are you using Arch tho?
Nah even better! Linux from Scratch bruh >:3
Anyone can have an insightful or idiotic opinion. The OS they use to express it doesnāt matter.
My wife is an iPhone user but that's because it was a hand me down. I will say, on her behalf, it doesn't make her less tech savvy-- she's that way all by herself.
Considering I go around telling people to install NixOS, that sounds about right.
Seriously though, Apple stuff is usually 90%* of the way there with how I want my devices to work. I don't miss Android at all honestly, on the desktop it's a lot closer. So much so that when I use my Linux computer, I miss stuff from macOS and when I use my MacBook, I miss stuff from Linux. (I really really wish there was a GNUstep-based Linux desktop on par with KDE. I should get back to messing around with GNUstep, I wanted to look into getting Wayland support fixed, but too many projects.)
* Let's hope the EU gives that another couple % for the iPhone.
I have an iPhone an a few Linux computers. Where do I stand?
I'm the only one in my family who has owned iPhones and iPads. I'm also the one that gets asked for tech help.
I've used both Android and iOS extensively so I know my way around both.
I would never say that iphone users are clueless by default about tech. Many are, just like android users and some act like apple has the most amazing tech, but I wouldn't say that iphone users are generally clueless.
I think there are good and bad reasons to have an iphone.
Obviously agree with everyone else here, I just wanted to add a personal tangent. Right before the crypto boon back in 2019-2020, I called that AI was going to be the next big thing and to invest in it. Obviously weāre seeing that, but I honestly think we probably only have about another year and a half to 2 of the AI gravy train before it does a dot com burst, and people realize itās true value. It got so overinflated so fast people will eventually realize itās just pattern recognition and matching and it canāt solve everything, then it will die down.
The next one that will come is quantum computing in about 6-7 years. Not because it can ācompute better than regular computersā but because quantum is able to spit out approximations so much faster than regular computers, it will have a huge boon in cloud based physics rendering, and large dataset analysis.
I think a lot of the ios lemmy users are actually early stage converts. Some know, some dont. Since a large portion of lemmy (and especially the linux community) is made up of anti social trolls, these converts to be might never actually hop over since they think theyāre stupid and unworthy for the āgod-OSā that only āthe truly enlightened understandā.
Obviously this is mostly cynical bitterness speaking from the really bad interactions I had with people who dont know shit about computers but like to lord their tiny and specific knowledge advantage over others to bolster their egos from their moms basement.
That said, apple has decent hardware and the fact that we havent broken their asshole bootloaders so we can actually root their devices properly shows that theyāre not that stupid. But no, you should not use apple (or stock android I guess) if you have the tech knowledge and funds to switch.
Disclaimer: this is just my opinion. Iām fine with disagreement. Trolls will be blocked immediately.
Some people purchase a phone based on looks, some for customization, others for specific apps, some it comes just down to what they can afford
I can come up with strong reasons to use Window or MacOS as your primary desktop os. IOS or Android as your phone OS. Windows / Linux / BSD for a server or appliance OS.
If someone thinks one size fits all THEY are the ones that should not be trusted in terms of tech insights.
Agreed.
Edit: Username confirms LOL
I can't think of on3 scenario that windows is the best option for a server. I mean unless its its a virtual desktop for a thin client but still usually would run that in a Linux vm
There are plenty of enterprise scenarios: eg an AD server for Windows clients, a DFS server, or servers to run certain Windows-only applications such as SCCM etc.
So windows is the right option only when it's the only one
BSD has a very narrow set of benefits over Linux based systems I could say the same for BSD which mostly amounts to network appliances / firewalls these days. I would say NAS but Even trueNAS is moving toward linux.
Spot on and a great view point.
Oh, we are back at being jerks to each other because of phone. Lovely.
I work around a lot of technical people. From software to devops, sys admins to hardware engineers, entry level to exec suite; and I have contacts around the world from my job. Itās a mixed bag as to which phone they all use, and itās never had any effect on how I view their technical abilities. My personal phone is an iPhone, and my work one is a pixel 7 pro. Itās been that way for over a decade. There are things I like and dislike about both platforms. At the end of the day the ātechnicalā things I do have little, if anything, to do with my phone.
Any personal judgement a stranger makes based on phone, OS, sportsball team, etc really only highlights their own childishness, need for something to lord over others, and propensity towards tribalism. I have no time for that BS.
Yep. I use either and both. They are both phones that work well and have annoying issues.
I think tech guys are split on apple because of the different priorities. Apple has a very clean, optimized and seamless OS and ecosystem.
Apple is also objectively extremely anti-consumer as well. No side loading, proprietary software and hardware, ludicrously overpriced hardware, locked down OS, and highly monopolistic. All of these only get stronger the more who use Apple, and so many tech people are turned off by it.
Personally, I am more of the latter. I don't care if my phone is a Nokia 3310 in comparison. I'd rather die standing than live kneeling.
No sideloading? Sure iOS and iPadOS are pretty locked down, but homebrew? Most of the apps on my Mac didnāt come from the App Store.
As for the price, sure theyāre expensive, but they last! I have a 2006 mini still kicking around, a 2013 iMac still chugging alongā¦ neither still receive updates, but that doesnāt stop me from running some flavor of Linux on them for one reason or another. On that front, Apple has pissed me off a bit, though. The first Mac I used was a G4 that got software updates for right around 10-years. The mini I have got about the same. The iMac got 8 years, IIRC. That made me mad.
For context I use all of these daily: Linux (servers + handheld gaming), Windows (gaming), Mac OS (work & general purpose). I used one of the first iPhones around 2008, then exclusively Android for 10 years, and then back to iPhones.
IMO, these "people" with such takes are the only ones who shouldn't be trusted on tech insights here :P
Thereās plenty of complete tech idiots on both sides and geniuses on both sides. Lemmy is hardcore Linux, everything should be free. Anything apple is shit on.
Because Apple is a horrible company, not because of the technical knowledge of its users.
The users are shit on.
Uh ooh...
Who cares what phone you have. It's just a phone.
I feel like if you paid extra for an iPhone, that says something bad.
It's just a stupid phone brand, it doesn't mean anything.
Fuck em. I donāt want to talk to them anyway. If having a phone preference different than them is a problem
The phone you use doesnāt say anything about your tech insights. Why should it?
However, it may tell you something about the kinds of things the person values. If price matters, youāll go with the cheapest Android. If features matter, youāll go with a flagship Android. If privacy matters, youāll get a specific Android phone and install GrapheneOS on it.
There are also a variety of reasons for getting an iPhone, and they may reflect your values in some way.
Yummy. Tell me more
I bought a refurbished ā¬100 iPhone SE the year before last, and itās survived being dropped literally scores of times, awful charging practices, and nobody else wants it. Before that, it was a ā¬125 6+ that I got rid of because it was too big and made my hand hurt. Before that it was an iPhone 4 that was given to me in 2012, which only died when I ran it over with a car.
My reasons are: free/cheap, easy profile transfer, high functionality regardless of how I treat it.
100%, Iām not tech savvy, especially for lemmy standards (I donāt get asked to do tech things for family, but I can generally troubleshoot problems I encounter). I am cheap regarding time and money though, and itās simply economics. If youāve got a consistent android alternative where I can spend ā¬375 (assuming the first wasnāt free, but a similar price to the others) for three phones (or fewer) that function well for my purposes (browser, data heavy apps, and a lot of dumb screenshots) over 12 years, Iām down.
Iām still running an original 2016 SE and even 8 years after release itās still going strong and getting updates, the only reason Iām looking to upgrade is because itās a struggle to keep it charged all day even with a battery bank case. Idk why all new phones are so massive now but I hate that I canāt find anything anywhere near the same size as the SE.
Mineās also an original SE, I just got it refurbished š The battery it came with is still going strong, though I also have an external battery pack because I got really into PokĆ©mon go, so Iām not relying on its battery much.
I have had to change iPhone batteries before and replacement batteries werenāt super expensive (ā¬40-70, with a proprietary set of tools that is something like ā¬20). Now that I have a cat it would be a challenge, but itās not too complicated if you watch a walk-through first and keep track of your screws.
Some people like the looks. Some people buy one because it serves as a status symbol. Some people just go with the flow and buy one, simply because everyone else already has one. Some people appreciate the coherent UI. Some people already use various other Apple products and services, so they prefer to get the synergy of also using an iPhone.
I donāt really care much about any of those things, but I have some special software and hardware that only works with vanilla or OEM Android and iOS. Trust me, I tried lots of different tweaks and hacks, but eventually had to face the harsh reality that nowadays things are specifically designed to prevent people like me from doing whatever I want. If things had worked with Lineage or Graphene, I would obviously be using those instead. Since that isnāt the case, I had to pick the least offensive one from a list of two awful options. This decisions shows that I value the compatibility that comes with an iPhone.
Iām sure there are lots of other reasons too.
Back in the day, iPhones ran more and better games. I just never switched to Android. To be fair, Iām also currently rocking a four year old iPhone and will continue to do so until it dies. Weāll see what happens from thereā¦ Iāll probably just try and get it fixed.
It matches my Stanley
If all your friends have an apple phone it's easy to buy one too. They have some features that makes having an android in an apple friend group quite anoying. For example the classic: "I'm going to air drop you the picture." And then only after every apple user in the room has got the picture they think about sending it the classic way to the outsider. It doesn't sound like much, but it doesn't just happen with air drop, but with a lot of those features. Source: I'm the android guy in an apple friend group.
They all are far from techy.. I think it's wrong to generalize, but I think if you don't know shit it's easier to go with apple. Android usualy is far more customizable, but some people just don't care and want a phone that just works. And for those apple can be the right option, because in general it's easier to understand at a first glance.
You should try LocalSend as an alternative to Airdrop with your Iphone friends!
Doesnāt that only work if everyone is connected to the same WiFi?
Yep, I donāt give a shit about AirDrop or even use the ecosystem. Just iPhone and AirPods.
iPhone because I am a discerning consumer whose current life needs fit it better. AirPods because they are best in class for iPhones (yes due to anti consumer policies). In college sure I customized the heck out of my androids.
Now I just want something that runs fast and reliably browses the internet. AdGuard takes care of the rest.
I used to buy proper Samsung/LG flagship Androids and absolutely loved them for my needs at the time. But every single one went to complete shit after 2 years. Huge battery drain, slow and unresponsive, no updates.
My iPhone is 3.5 years old, still blazing fast, battery drain consistent with degradation, still getting updates, still no need to get a new phone.
This entire debate is literally the bell curve soyjack meme lmao but I had fun typing at least!
Ngl I donāt think Iāve ever used airdrop in the last 5 years other than trying to use it once or twice during covid, people werenāt showing up though no matter what my settings were so idk what happened.
Yeah I've seen family and friends struggle with airdrop, there are always 1 or 2 it doesn't work for so they might as well be Android.
Who says that? Seems kind of silly to put some one in a box based on their phone OS preference
So I originally bought one due do family circumstances. A family member was in a heavily HEAVILY censored part of the world- the type of place that you canāt get emails or text messages out of. The type of place where any communication sent over their network WAS being monitored, so you had to speak very carefully.
iMessage was the only 100% reliable method of contact, so I got an iPhone and just havenāt upgraded since.
Propertiary software esp iMessage and other apps I rely on atm, has kinda prevented me from moving to fully android. I have started to use Linux on my laptop permanently though.
But are you using Arch tho?
Nah even better! Linux from Scratch bruh >:3
Anyone can have an insightful or idiotic opinion. The OS they use to express it doesnāt matter.
My wife is an iPhone user but that's because it was a hand me down. I will say, on her behalf, it doesn't make her less tech savvy-- she's that way all by herself.
Considering I go around telling people to install NixOS, that sounds about right.
Seriously though, Apple stuff is usually 90%* of the way there with how I want my devices to work. I don't miss Android at all honestly, on the desktop it's a lot closer. So much so that when I use my Linux computer, I miss stuff from macOS and when I use my MacBook, I miss stuff from Linux. (I really really wish there was a GNUstep-based Linux desktop on par with KDE. I should get back to messing around with GNUstep, I wanted to look into getting Wayland support fixed, but too many projects.)
* Let's hope the EU gives that another couple % for the iPhone.
I have an iPhone an a few Linux computers. Where do I stand?
I'm the only one in my family who has owned iPhones and iPads. I'm also the one that gets asked for tech help.
I've used both Android and iOS extensively so I know my way around both.
I would never say that iphone users are clueless by default about tech. Many are, just like android users and some act like apple has the most amazing tech, but I wouldn't say that iphone users are generally clueless.
I think there are good and bad reasons to have an iphone.
Obviously agree with everyone else here, I just wanted to add a personal tangent. Right before the crypto boon back in 2019-2020, I called that AI was going to be the next big thing and to invest in it. Obviously weāre seeing that, but I honestly think we probably only have about another year and a half to 2 of the AI gravy train before it does a dot com burst, and people realize itās true value. It got so overinflated so fast people will eventually realize itās just pattern recognition and matching and it canāt solve everything, then it will die down.
The next one that will come is quantum computing in about 6-7 years. Not because it can ācompute better than regular computersā but because quantum is able to spit out approximations so much faster than regular computers, it will have a huge boon in cloud based physics rendering, and large dataset analysis.
I think a lot of the ios lemmy users are actually early stage converts. Some know, some dont. Since a large portion of lemmy (and especially the linux community) is made up of anti social trolls, these converts to be might never actually hop over since they think theyāre stupid and unworthy for the āgod-OSā that only āthe truly enlightened understandā.
Obviously this is mostly cynical bitterness speaking from the really bad interactions I had with people who dont know shit about computers but like to lord their tiny and specific knowledge advantage over others to bolster their egos from their moms basement.
That said, apple has decent hardware and the fact that we havent broken their asshole bootloaders so we can actually root their devices properly shows that theyāre not that stupid. But no, you should not use apple (or stock android I guess) if you have the tech knowledge and funds to switch.
Disclaimer: this is just my opinion. Iām fine with disagreement. Trolls will be blocked immediately.