Any company that intentionally underpays their employees so that they require govt assistance to live should be billed the full cost of all assistance that employee receives.
I think that minimum wage being a livable salary, is less complicated.
I imagine that's part of their point? At least that is how I took it.
UBI could be even less complicated. If everyone were guaranteed a livable income, a minimum wage might not even be necessary.
I like Scott Galloway's take: SPEAK THEIR LANGUAGE!
Call UBI a negative tax and Republican voters will listen.
Just enough to pay rent and utilities. Then only corporations will own property.
Por que no los dos
Billed double. Make it hurt.
*should be nationalized and sold off, and its mismanagers prosecuted
The wealthy NEED the airports to keep running so not to interfere with their vacation plan. Starving kids on the other hand can simply be rewoven as doormats by any good capitalist.
I'm GLAD we not only BAILED THESE COMPANIES OUT WITH OUR TAX DOLLARS and also DON'T TAX THEM but we ALSO get to Pay Their Employees!
-Republicans who don't want to use their Tax Dollars to Feed Starving American Children.
Why would we feed starving children when they're just going to grow up being underpaid employees on welfare?!
How is being paid "from pushback to arrival" even vaguely legal?
When you have money you get to write the laws.
Remember when a letter from an airline exec was all it took for the cdc to reduce COVID sick leave? PFR...
The Golden Rule: Those that have the gold make the rules.
Even fast food restaraunts in airports pay a higher hourly rate to compensate the staff for the added pain in the balls for getting to work.
they're salaried? only thing I can come up with.
If they're infact hourly... then work is work, and they're working off the clock.
They're hourly. I still can't believe this is legal.
Edit: found an article on it. Spoiler: it's legal because the government makes all sorts of exceptions for airlines. Their unions even have to get government permission to strike!
Been that way forever. Parking brake release with door closed was the standard for a long time. Now they have parking systems on the terminal that sense the aircraft and don’t start the clock until the aircraft pushes back, and stop the clock as soon as it’s parked even if you’re sitting there for 30 minutes waiting for the jet bridge or whatever.
Yeah but they also used to have a good enough pay that it was still an okay deal, even if the clock only ran during aircraft movement. It's still the case with other airlines I have an old friend that went to work for Etihad and he seems to be doing fine. Tells me about the nice weekends away all over the world during rest time, lives in a nice apartment in Dubai with a view, etc. Granted I'd never want to live there but I'm sure you can achieve similar lifestyle with other international airlines (Singapore, KLM, etc etc).
Sure, back before deregulation. But the pay today for new cabin crew is not what you think it is, and it takes quite a few years before you can keep your head above water. Some other national carriers like Etihad are going to be different, but they have a lot of other rules to put up with for that extra pay.
Oh for sure at the end of the day it's still massive corporate industries so, ya know, corporate gonna corporate... Long gone are the days where it was a dream career.
If your boss requires you to be somewhere at a specific time.. then that is work .. right?
And being on the other end means you are still at work. It is strange that this job went from glamorous to real shit.
It is strange that this job went from glamorous to real shit.
You had a government mandated floor on prices until the 70's in the USA and the 90's in the EU, which meant that airlines had to compete on amenities and other ways to pull traffic to their airline. Once that price floor was removed, it became apparent that ticket prices were what drove most traffic, so airlines started doing whatever they could to drop ticket prices.
Nice write up, thanks. TIL.
I hope the unions give these bastards a nice, swift kick in the ass.
If anyone should be taking a pay cut, it's the shitty CEO's whose decisions make flying a miserable experience.
If this were in a free country, sure. But these unions need government permission to strike.
I didn't know that.
Ain't that a fucking bitch.
Welcome to "democracy"
Nobody wants to work anymore.
"Nobody wants to work anymore."
I haven't flown in a while, have they already started asking us to tip flight attendants?
Remember, they're the ones that close the doors (or don't)!
Yeah, but it is Boeing that decides if it stays closed
Remember to tip your Boeing assassins.
guys does making airline workers unable to afford life make passengers less safe?
they are only set to warn little more than $27,000 per year before tax.
I know that writing is hard, especially when using AI, but please proof read your posts?
Oh no, a typo from hitting a key right next to the intended key, this has never happened in the history of journalism!
Not only that, the the typo is a legitimate word, meaning it won't be flagged by spell check. HOWEVER, that's no excuse to not proofread a submitted article. In fact, it's more reason why one should.
Exactly, which is why journalists proof read.
Why you say this the author seems legit. No?
Thats has to be from the onion! ( I hope at least )
But tHe inVisIbLe haNd
Well flight attendants have the luxury of not having to live in a single place. I would live in some cheap country.
You think flight attendants make enough for multiple homes in multiple property tax systems? Did you read the article?
but the current rules make it almost impossible for them actually to stage a walkout.
Good ol Genocide Joe still isn't doing shit for union workers.
Are you serious? Conservatives are not even hiding the fact that if elected they would 100% support israel and russia. Go get a brain
They have one chord and think it’s a song.
Sounds like a 🔵 🌊 thing to me. Go surf it
“Other people are worse” isn’t a good excuse for his own responsibility.
Let's say that you vote for trump and even just ten more people die because of his measures: ten people more than with the less aggressive contributions from the democrats. At that point you have directly participated in killing those people. You can find all the excuses you want but that's the crude reality.
That’s why we’re not voting Trump either. Your analogy doesn’t work.
Thanks! Still voting not genocide. You enjoy being pro that.
Ok you really need to get a brain quickly
Great comeback
If you say that voting trump means stopping the genocide it's clear that we are not having an honest conversation. You are a troll and I'm not wasting any nore time around you.
You keep writing comments like the only choices are voting for Trump or voting for Biden. Voting third party or not voting at all are also options, and neither one as as much blood on my hands as voting for both pro-genocide candidates.
In that case maybe your heart is in the right place but that's still not a reasonable solution, as de facto there are only two choices and voting for neither or not voting at all is not helping when the risk is enabling a totalitarian regime that literally plans on killing people and eradicating hard-earned freedoms.
20 plus years of voting for the least evil has not worked In my opinion.
If Biden wants my vote he actually has to TRY and work for it, not just sit back and do things that harm my community but say Trump is worse.
Your reading comprehension is failing you. Let me spell it out explicitly for you: I am definitely not voting for Trump. I am not voting for Biden. There are other options.
Any company that intentionally underpays their employees so that they require govt assistance to live should be billed the full cost of all assistance that employee receives.
I think that minimum wage being a livable salary, is less complicated.
I imagine that's part of their point? At least that is how I took it.
UBI could be even less complicated. If everyone were guaranteed a livable income, a minimum wage might not even be necessary.
I like Scott Galloway's take: SPEAK THEIR LANGUAGE!
Call UBI a negative tax and Republican voters will listen.
Just enough to pay rent and utilities. Then only corporations will own property.
Por que no los dos
Billed double. Make it hurt.
*should be nationalized and sold off, and its mismanagers prosecuted
The wealthy NEED the airports to keep running so not to interfere with their vacation plan. Starving kids on the other hand can simply be rewoven as doormats by any good capitalist.
I'm GLAD we not only BAILED THESE COMPANIES OUT WITH OUR TAX DOLLARS and also DON'T TAX THEM but we ALSO get to Pay Their Employees!
-Republicans who don't want to use their Tax Dollars to Feed Starving American Children.
Why would we feed starving children when they're just going to grow up being underpaid employees on welfare?!
How is being paid "from pushback to arrival" even vaguely legal?
When you have money you get to write the laws.
Remember when a letter from an airline exec was all it took for the cdc to reduce COVID sick leave? PFR...
The Golden Rule: Those that have the gold make the rules.
Even fast food restaraunts in airports pay a higher hourly rate to compensate the staff for the added pain in the balls for getting to work.
they're salaried? only thing I can come up with.
If they're infact hourly... then work is work, and they're working off the clock.
They're hourly. I still can't believe this is legal.
Edit: found an article on it. Spoiler: it's legal because the government makes all sorts of exceptions for airlines. Their unions even have to get government permission to strike!
https://www.opb.org/article/2024/02/12/flight-attendants-don-t-earn-their-hourly-pay-until-aircraft-doors-close-here-s-why/
Been that way forever. Parking brake release with door closed was the standard for a long time. Now they have parking systems on the terminal that sense the aircraft and don’t start the clock until the aircraft pushes back, and stop the clock as soon as it’s parked even if you’re sitting there for 30 minutes waiting for the jet bridge or whatever.
Yeah but they also used to have a good enough pay that it was still an okay deal, even if the clock only ran during aircraft movement. It's still the case with other airlines I have an old friend that went to work for Etihad and he seems to be doing fine. Tells me about the nice weekends away all over the world during rest time, lives in a nice apartment in Dubai with a view, etc. Granted I'd never want to live there but I'm sure you can achieve similar lifestyle with other international airlines (Singapore, KLM, etc etc).
Sure, back before deregulation. But the pay today for new cabin crew is not what you think it is, and it takes quite a few years before you can keep your head above water. Some other national carriers like Etihad are going to be different, but they have a lot of other rules to put up with for that extra pay.
Oh for sure at the end of the day it's still massive corporate industries so, ya know, corporate gonna corporate... Long gone are the days where it was a dream career.
If your boss requires you to be somewhere at a specific time.. then that is work .. right?
And being on the other end means you are still at work. It is strange that this job went from glamorous to real shit.
You had a government mandated floor on prices until the 70's in the USA and the 90's in the EU, which meant that airlines had to compete on amenities and other ways to pull traffic to their airline. Once that price floor was removed, it became apparent that ticket prices were what drove most traffic, so airlines started doing whatever they could to drop ticket prices.
Nice write up, thanks. TIL.
I hope the unions give these bastards a nice, swift kick in the ass.
If anyone should be taking a pay cut, it's the shitty CEO's whose decisions make flying a miserable experience.
If this were in a free country, sure. But these unions need government permission to strike.
I didn't know that.
Ain't that a fucking bitch.
Welcome to "democracy"
Nobody wants to work anymore.
"Nobody wants to work anymore."
I haven't flown in a while, have they already started asking us to tip flight attendants?
Remember, they're the ones that close the doors (or don't)!
Yeah, but it is Boeing that decides if it stays closed
Remember to tip your Boeing assassins.
guys does making airline workers unable to afford life make passengers less safe?
Time to unionize, I think.
I know that writing is hard, especially when using AI, but please proof read your posts?
Oh no, a typo from hitting a key right next to the intended key, this has never happened in the history of journalism!
Not only that, the the typo is a legitimate word, meaning it won't be flagged by spell check. HOWEVER, that's no excuse to not proofread a submitted article. In fact, it's more reason why one should.
Exactly, which is why journalists proof read.
Why you say this the author seems legit. No?
Thats has to be from the onion! ( I hope at least )
But tHe inVisIbLe haNd
Well flight attendants have the luxury of not having to live in a single place. I would live in some cheap country.
You think flight attendants make enough for multiple homes in multiple property tax systems? Did you read the article?
Good ol Genocide Joe still isn't doing shit for union workers.
Are you serious? Conservatives are not even hiding the fact that if elected they would 100% support israel and russia. Go get a brain
They have one chord and think it’s a song.
Sounds like a 🔵 🌊 thing to me. Go surf it
“Other people are worse” isn’t a good excuse for his own responsibility.
Let's say that you vote for trump and even just ten more people die because of his measures: ten people more than with the less aggressive contributions from the democrats. At that point you have directly participated in killing those people. You can find all the excuses you want but that's the crude reality.
That’s why we’re not voting Trump either. Your analogy doesn’t work.
Thanks! Still voting not genocide. You enjoy being pro that.
Ok you really need to get a brain quickly
Great comeback
If you say that voting trump means stopping the genocide it's clear that we are not having an honest conversation. You are a troll and I'm not wasting any nore time around you.
You keep writing comments like the only choices are voting for Trump or voting for Biden. Voting third party or not voting at all are also options, and neither one as as much blood on my hands as voting for both pro-genocide candidates.
In that case maybe your heart is in the right place but that's still not a reasonable solution, as de facto there are only two choices and voting for neither or not voting at all is not helping when the risk is enabling a totalitarian regime that literally plans on killing people and eradicating hard-earned freedoms.
20 plus years of voting for the least evil has not worked In my opinion.
If Biden wants my vote he actually has to TRY and work for it, not just sit back and do things that harm my community but say Trump is worse.
Your reading comprehension is failing you. Let me spell it out explicitly for you: I am definitely not voting for Trump. I am not voting for Biden. There are other options.