What do people today act like is new, when it's already have been a thing or already been around?
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Gamers like to make it sound like $70 is a new thing today for video games. When, I've seen adverts of games back in late 90s and early 90s that were priced $70. It's always been around so I find it ridiculous that so many of them complain that the pricing is too high when, it's been a thing.
Even more dumb is that sales are stupidly frequent so why even bother trying to pay $70 anyways besides FOMO.
I think the issue with the price thing is that it's more the rule rather than the exception. Back then maybe you got a super deluxe for 70, now 70 just gets you the base game.
In any event: the Apple Vision Pro is one. Apple puts out a VR headset that essentially does what any 800 dollar headset does for much more money and everyone loses their shit saying how revolutionary it is. It's not.
If $70 got you the full game, I wouldn't even be as opposed to it, but it's always $70 for the standard edition and oh, also, there's $200+ worth of DLC and microtransactions to buy, as well. Back in the 90s, you got everything for that price.
Were games $70 in the 90s? I feel like they were like $40. $60 at the most.
40-50 was the standard price.
60 didn't come until 2000s
well they said an add so it could be something like ff10 delux that comes with the massive guide book or a figurine or such.
Yes.
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Sonic 3 came out in 1994.
I've tried the vision pro and the quality is definitely impressive even compared to other headsets, but the quest three does colour passthrough well enough that unless you have zero interest in games and money is no object, it makes no sense to buy the vision pro.
Yeah, the market is flooded with cheap VR headsets with eye and hand tracking! Stupid Apple! /s
Trans people.
Trans people have existed forever and conservatives are trying to pretend it's a new thing.
Where I live, this still applies to lesbians and gay men. I am not joking.
And I'm in a country where an overwhelming majority of the population, both old and new, is so conservative that it's basically religious nationalism at this point. I've said the name of that country so many times that I'm getting bored of it now, but it's basically Morocco.
The other day I learned about this chap who lived in the 19th century stealing married women https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Allent_(trans_man)
The first patient to receive a sex reassignment surgery fought in the battle of the bulge.
Did they fight against the bulge, or for it?
heyo
"Battle of the Bulge" ironically sounds like a great name for a battle around Trans rights.
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Teens acting like teens.
There are writings dating back to ancient Greece of people complaining about young people and how stupid/lazy/whatever they are compared to the previous generations.
Maybe we can drop that one already.
Teenagers are just filled with hormones and poor decision-making skills. They're big balls of attitude and it still seems to astound people when they want to be argumentative.
Most things Apple does
I still remember when they added the pull down notification drawer, it was all over tech review sites like it was the next big thing. Android phones had the same feature for 2 years before Apple introduced it.
Why do people act like it's righteous to suck off game companies? They won't send you a copy for defending their honor online, that's some mall ninja shit.
I am sure some are bootlickers but we now know that game companies pay social media companies to atro turf ...
So half the time that idiot ain't a person, just an npc doing his job.
With a little skill they are pretty easy to spot.
What's yellow news?
Sensationalist journalism. This manifests as clickbait headlines, agenda pieces, and other such tactics.
The propaganda regime we live under.
Crime. Since people hear about it more often they think there is more crime, but in actually overall crime has gone down. There was more crime before 24 hour news not less. You just are hearing about crimes that in the past wouldn't have made the news.
What? Just because you found 1 game at 70 dollars back in the 90s doesn't mean that it's a fair price for games?
Even now with tons of inflation since 1990 it's a ridiculous price and reserved only for top tier games that everyone wants to buy, like Baldurs Gate.
The first computer game I ever bought was Wizardry: Proving Grounds of the Mad Overlord for $80 in 1982. The new version is $35 on Steam and wishlisted because I'm a cheap bastard now.
Daaaammmnnnn, I played Wizardry 8 back in the day and that game was fantastic. Never played any of the earlier ones though.
"Wokeness"
Sex. Everything you're doing (unless you're using some type of new technology or device) had been done for thousands of years.
There's an entire civilization in pre European contact Americas that only depicted anal sex in all their artwork.
To be fair, there are a lot more $5 games nowadays that provide hours of good quality content.
There were plenty older games that charged full price and are shit aswell. And there was less selection..
People have less spendable money on average than 20 years ago and there are more games and more unfinished or broken games, that are sold for a higher price. Games instead should get cheaper, as people have less money to spend. Your assumption that games used to be more expensive is therefore flawed.
That said, AI generated images, aka fake images and nudes of celebrities etc, are seen as new now. But we could do that with image editing software for decades, just the speed changed. Now everyone acts like as we require new laws, but they are already in place. AI video generation might be a bit more tricky, as one used to not be able to do that without a lot of time and money, but still, it's nothing new and laws are in place. We won't be able to stop this technological advancement and we even harm people by that. If only rich corporates dictate the AI environment, we destroy possible startups, harm citizens and also give evil actors more power, because the later doesn't care about laws, while the average Joe's privacy and other rights are getting more and more restricted.
Regarding AI, it’s not just the speed but the accessibility. Photoshop takes skills that not everyone will learn. AI only requires the skills of a crossed monkey and can be done on anyone at a volume that even photoshop wont do unless you’re dedicated.
As an example, grab several photos of Jo Blow and you can have them nude in minutes. Photoshop, I assume, would require hours for several photos?
I don’t know photoshop, so maybe I am totally off.
Billionaires. We have a wild discrepancy in wealth distribution, but there have always been pharos and kings and tsars, along with accompanying nobles, minor royalty, etc.
And it's easy to argue that those rulers had far more power. Elon Musk can't order my head removed.
And they controlled vast amounts of land, where thousands or millions of people lived.
I'm a little out of the loop on this one, so this might be a dumb question. For $70 do you get the game, or just most of it? Do certain features cost more? Does it require a online subscription?
I vividly remember purchasing Final Fantasy 3 in the early 90 for $69.95. It was the first video game I purchased with my own money and it was like a years worth of allowance.
Idk where you bought your games from but up until the last few years the standard was $60 for a new game. Anything more was a special edition of the game.
The only time I've paid more than $60 for a new game was if I bought a special edition.
$70 cartridges have been around since the SNES days.
Just because they existed doesn't mean they were the standard.
But it was the standard for new ‘AAA’ games for the first couple months of release.
For how long?
I'll admit I didn't start buying new games myself until around the original halo release.
Halo was actually the first game I bought with my own money. It was $60 2 days after release. The next game I bought brand new was call of duty 3. $60 the day after release.
As I said before the only new games I've purchased that cost more than $60 were the special editions of the base games. And it's not like I wasn't buying top name games. Borderlands 2 $60. Zelda skyward sword/tp/botw $60. For honor $60. Halo 2 broke world records for most anticipated media and it's release price from day one was $60.
The standard for new games was $60.
I dunno, I seem to have misplaced my Comprehensive Encyclopedia of Game Prices by Week. :D
Just pointing out that back in the day it was not unusual to have the most desirable games cost $70 for a while. It wasn't special editions / GOTY stuff - those type of things didn't even exist yet. So I'd imagine whoever is downvoting you is an old curmudgeon like me that lived through the Dawn of Video Games like I did, and remembers this as not being uncommon. Hell, even normal NES games were $50 or so. I remember paying that much for Final Fantasy when it came out. Once you add in inflation, that's an expensive game!
If memory serves, the bump from a "standard" new video game costing $50 to $60 happened around 2010. Accounting for inflation that $60 is a little over $70, so it doesn't seem entirely unreasonable for them to be $70 even if I don't like it.
$70 for video games back in the 90s? What world did you come from?
I was paying $5 for video games back then.
It definitely was a thing if you bought them new. http://i.imgur.com/zf92o.jpg
...The fucking console only cost $100. If that ad is the default, that's fucking insane.
No console went for $100 new when it first came out. Those were the prices long after the economy of scale made it a profitable gamble to sell the hardware at a loss to drive game sales and make up the difference and then some.
I remember Super Nintendo games at ~$60-$70 at first release. They quickly came down in price to ~$40-$50 after a month or two.
Consoles were usually $300 new. I remember spending $600 on a 3DO.
That's the second generation of Genesis/Megadrive, so at that point they were probably selling it as a loss leader having minimised production costs.
The real money is in the games, so you make the console cheap and create more customers for the games.
Looks like that ad came out in 1996 based on the games featured (a lot of sports games release the year prior to the date of the title). By then the Sega Genesis was already 7 years old and was fairly obsolete by then, as the Sega Saturn, Sony PlayStation, and Nintendo 64 had been released. That's why it was only going for $100 then.
Yep, I paid £65 for Street Fighter 2 on the Megadrive, back in the early 90s. A huge amount of money then, but worth it given how much I played it.
Sure, for $5 you could get some old games from the bargain table, but some people like to play them when they're new.
One of my favorite memories is my mum taking me and my brother to a toy shop that sold games after we finished the school year and getting second hand games. Every year my mum did this for us and we'd usually get like 2 for the price of 1. We didn't have a lot of money so new games were only got on Xmas.
No you weren’t.
Yes, actually I was. New games on a single floppy disk. $5 each.
If you were buying “new” games on floppy disks for $5 in the 90’s, what, pray tell, where those games? Prance of Parma? Semper Maria?
Ken's Labyrinth, Mystic Towers, a single level of Epic Pinball...
Yeah they were cheap, but affordable for a young teenager..
Most new games were $40-50 IIRC. A few high demand would be more.
There was a day before games came on a CD. You remember the good old floppy disk? Yeah, Walmart had brand new games that fit on a single floppy disk for $5.
I remember buying ganes for my PCJr at $50 a pop in the mid-80’s lol. Sega cartridges were next.
Oh yeah, I know there were plenty of bigger, better, more expensive games pretty much all along. Still, I loved that $5 section at Walmart, I'd buy a new game almost every week when I was around 13 years old.
...That's because maybe you got them used or something? Like, name me one retail store back then selling games for $5 just out of the blue. I won't wait because you wouldn't come up with anything.
You are mixing used markets with retail prices here. Just stop embarrassing yourself.
Walmart homie. Brand new games.
I'm referring to smaller games that came on a single floppy disk. Remember those?
This is just nonsense. Games were never €70 back in the day, I remember my siblings getting games for €5-10 in the early days.
In my teenage years, games were €40 and gradually went up to €50-55 and then €60 (for pre-order €65). And now €70 standard, pre-order either free or €75.
Some games definitely were that much. As I said in another comment, I bought Street Fighter 2 for £65 in the early 90s. That was more than most games, but it did happen.
Perhaps in the US but not in The Netherlands.
Yes they were. Nintendo cartridges could be 120-150 gulden at release. That's 55-70 euro, not even counting inflation. PC games were usually cheaper though.
Can confirm as fellow Dutch. Nintendo cartridges were very expensive.
It was the UK
When home consoles used PCB cartridges, they were. That's because PCBs are expensive to make compared to optical discs.
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