In it's 'war against Hamas' Israel has now bombed 3 countries that has no Hamas
The problem with the Israeli attacks i gaza is not the attacks themselves. Israel should have the right to defend themselves on all sides.
The problem is, that in Palestine they are using this as an excuse to kill as many civilians as they can get away with. This is genocide. They are more or less regulating the population of Palestine, and arguing that they in reality are fighting Hamas. The civilians are unfortunate accidents (that more or less keep on happening day in and day out)
Because cowering behind civilians in the hopes their deaths garner sympathy is totally not in the terrorist handbook
It is! But that is no excuse for killing so many civilians.
I for one don’t think you can ever justify killing civilians, let along tens of thousands of them.
Then again, I’m not a monster so 🤷
and yet you (directly or indirectly) literally support known terrorists.
I do not support Israel.
But if you’re referring to Hamas, I don’t support them either; as I clearly said I don’t support the killing of innocent people. Even if that is in response to the murder of innocent people.
Hamas suck, As does the Israeli government and anybody that supports their actions over the last 9/10 months and even longer than that to be honest.
Hamas suck
See, you're doing it again. No, Hamas doesn't just 'suck'. It's this false equivalence BS that has my ire. Hamas... are. literal. terrorists. and that is not in dispute by anyone worth listening to. Hamas as a strategy kill, rape, torture, and take hostage anyone they can get their evil fucking hands on. Israel wants to just exist but have been putting up with the afforementioned terrorism for 80 years. So they got a little Nietzschian. Israel is sick of it. I would be too if I was in their shoes.
That's the difference. They have a right to exist and I support that unequivocally. Are they perfect? Of course not. Would they be as hostile to Palestinians as they are had Terrorism Incorporated not made every minute of the last 80 years constant jeopardy? Um probably not. Is this a genocide? Not yet, but it could be if team Hamas doesn't smarten up and say 'hey now maybe peaceful solutions are a good idea'. Until then, Fuck Hamas and their putting civilians lives in jeopardy with their stubbornness.
If and when they surrender and release the hostages Israel continues this assault then yeah. They the baddies. Right now they are just getting their hands dirtier than you, sitting comfortably in your a/c sipping a latte somewhere else, would prefer protecting themselves.
So you don’t see how Israelis settlers make life unlivable for Palestinians? Or that Israel has taken more and more territory over the last 8 decades?
You seem to only want to shit on the terrorists Hamas and find issue with my choice of words, and not address any critique of Israel at all. That get my ire, the fact that people will focus on Hamas.
Doesn't justify terrorism or warcrimes.
Edit: I will sit down and commiserate with you on the shit show from both sides for the last 80 years, but those issues should have been dealt with in the past and are not a justification for the present.
It doesn’t and Israel should stop committing them, as should Hamas.
All Israel are doing is ensuring the next wave of Hamas conscripts.
Who decides when we the statute of limitations is up on past transgressions of Israel?
Who decides when we the statute of limitations is up on past transgressions of Israel?
Same people that decide that for the past transgressions of Terrorism Incorporated. Both sides need to stop, sit down and come to an agreement somehow. The only other way for peace is one Hamas sympathizers will NOT like.
As for 'the next wave of Hamas conscripts'. That is inevitable. 80 ish years ago Israel did nothing but come into existance due to a UN mandate and all the nations around them declared war. Nothing Israel can do or not do will prevent Hamas and the like from growing except ceasing to exist and that is the genocide Hamas et al sympathizers are actually supporting.
Israel has been the one to turn down any ceasefire agreements put forward by Hamas, even the ones with the return of all hostages. So that seems like Israel doesn’t want a resolution and is dead set on the, impossible, task of wiping out Hamas. Which is something that isn’t likely, as killing my whole family might make me join Hamas.
Let me ask you this. Is the Palestinian people have tried peaceful measures to get Israel to stop taking land and killing people, and they’ve tried political means. What choice other than violence is left.
Wasn’t it JFK that said something like “people who make a peaceful resolution impossible will make a violent resolution inevitable”.
How is a state that's largely funded by another state not a proxy for the bigger state? It's not a Israel Iran proxy war. It's a us Iran proxy war
Iran has been supplying the Houthis, Hezbollah, and Hamas with munitions, intel, and training to support attacks on Israel.
And the US has been doing the same for Israel
… Israel will sink our ships if they find them inconvenient.
Perhaps, but they'd do it with missiles that we designed and gave them. -- this is the problem.
They absolutely will. On the other hand the Houthis attacked a Russian ship the other day so same I guess.
Israel is a sovereign nation. According to international law, they are held responsible for their actions. The same law does not apply to independent rebel groups, putting the responsibility on Iran.
If Israel can declare itself a sovereign nation on another peoples land there is no reason rebel groups cannot call themselves legitimate rulers. Anyone can call themselves anything.
There are criteria. It’s not simply self declared.
International law defines sovereign states as having a permanent population, defined territory, a government not under another, and the capacity to interact with other states.
The Houthis are a Zaydi Shiite movement that has been fighting Yemen's Sunni-majority government since 2004. They reside in Yemen, so they have no land, and they are governed by Yemen. Therefore they are a faction, not a nation.
I was referring to your requirements for being a state. Even in your explanation you state that they have no land, therefore no mailing address, so thats why they are not a nation.
Ownership of land with agreed-upon borders defines a country. A nation needs to govern its land, but does not necessarily have permanent agreed-upon borders. That’s why Palestine is a nation, but not a country, for example.
Cute of you to site international law in favour of country that shits on international law after it got its UN approval.
Gtfo
You’re heavily projecting. I’m not defending Israel, nor do I support what they’ve done to Palestinians. I’m sharing cited factual information about the legal difference between a group, nation, and country. My opinion didn’t even enter the conversation until you incorrectly assumed what it was.
And I am clarifying to you that Israel doesn't recognize any such laws so they don't get any benefit of them.
It is an illegal colonization program conducted at a gun point with forced removals and genocide.
How so? My understanding is that Hezbollah is supported by Iran, Syria, North Korea, Russia, and Lebanon.
Most of their money and support is coming through Lebanon. And the Moussad is injecting massive ammounts of graft into the Lebanese government in order to destabilize it.
Yeah Russia does this trick. Ukraine is still funding the war against itself but traitors are able to operate within the state.
Possibly because this is retaliation for drone strikes and not part of the "war against Hamas."
People have been warning from day 1 about the possibility of a regional escalation.
Apparently you cannot spend months acting in a way that neighboors who already don't like you find morally reprehensible without some of those neighbors inserting themselves into the conflict.
The real question is how long can Iran avoid getting dragged into that. And if Iran gets involved directly, will we be able to contain this to a regional war, or will this small decades old conflict between parties whose total population is only about 12 million become the trigger for world war 3.
It's less the people and more the trade routes and resources. Some would argue the most important in the world
God I hope so. I had a dream once that the entirety of the land between the black sea and the gulf of aden was glassed smooth, and finally the world was at peace.
Maybe someone mumbled "they have hummus" and everyone else just rolled with it?
3?
You forgot one at least.
Lebanon, Syria, Iran, Yemen.
Maybe you can find the common denominator within these 4.
Keep appealing to those flimsy technicalities. Totally working!
Neither is good, but bombing the child soldiers feels worse.
Once you're responsible for the deaths of thousands of children, I don't think it's a "which is worse" contest.
Because really, you don't get much worse than murdering thousands of children.
Add it to the pile of Israeli war crimes
Israel is not responsible for the child murders of the Houthis. Only the ones they commit themselves.
Fair. But not great that everyone is supporting Saudis instead of actually doing peace keeping just like they do when looking other when Israel does whatever it wants
Israel hasn’t been fighting these child soldiers. They were part of the Yemeni civil war.
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"24 is the highest number."
Anecdotally, I lived in Sanaa for a while as a kid in the '80's, and one of my enduring memories is seeing kids in the street with AK's. Other highlights included being chased up a pile of concrete and rebar by a pack of wild dogs, and riding in a helicopter that they used in one of the Rambo movies (the Afghanistan one, I think).
I'm sorry, that sounds really traumatic and I hope it hasn't followed you with additional trauma.
Hey, I appreciate the sentiment. I didn't really think any of that was trauma-inducing—except the dogs, but a friendly labrador helped me get over that a year or two later. Luckily, I've stocked up on all kinds of trauma since then! These are just colorful childhood memories.
Killed by Saudi Arabia with American weapons
To paraphrase: "The Houthis entered this war under the rather childish delusion that they were going to bomb everybody else and nobody was going to bomb them."
Maybe don't bomb people, and, failing that, don't be surprised when they bomb you back.
Funny, works with "The Israelis entered..." too.
Funnier still how the headlines on certain publications work. Houthis bomb Israel, Israel bombs them back; headline is "Israel bombs Yemen in Escalation with Houthis".
Yeah, it should just say "Yemenis die amid bombing".
hopefully they try to open a third front with Lebanon and seal the deal on the end of their apartheid settler project 🙏
Lebanon won't end Israel, or vice versa, but making a move on the Golan Heights might.
Is this still called self defence? Surely people can see through this. No?
Some of these comments are weird.
The Houthis have been keeping up their blockade for 8 months and have already been bombed by US coalition forces multiple times.
I don't think they are at all surprised aside from the fact that it took Israel this long to do the exact same thing.
I keep seeing lots of "find out phase" comments on other threads which doesn't make any sense because they've been effectively at war for years on end, and definitely with Israel for 8 months.
The more interesting notion is that Israel also probably bombed some residential areas unlike the US who were trying to destroy missile launch sites to end the blockade.
Unsure because it was an oil depot.
This is more likely just PR for Israeli capabilities
REAL Jews LOVE War and Death and Bombs!
-Evangelical Republicans who are also NOT Snowflakes!
Israel being the world's most hated state was not in my bingo cards for this millennium.
Really? Haven't you been paying attention for the last 77 years?
Being hated for being religious or a certain type of religion IS VERY DIFFERENT than being hated for being genocidal assholes.
Same way most people don't care for a certain German vegetarian painter's antics in that timeframe, but not the German people.
Or not liking TV Evangelists because they're greedy assholes that steal from the poor to buy private jets. The fairy stories they peddle are irrelevant.
After 8 months the Huthis reached the find out phase.
For the people who criticize fellow arabs don't care about palestinians.
The Houthis have been cruisin' for a bruisin'
Israel has since 1948.
Houthis have been getting bombed of more than four years now by United States and Saudi Arabia. Israel ain't gonna do shit.
The efforts of ansarallah have been nothing short of heroic
I'm really getting tired of people casting these murderers in a good light just because they're fighting Israel.
Not every fight has a good side and a bad side. Sometimes they're both bad sides. If North Korea and Mynamar went to war, I would hope no one here would be cheering either side on.
It depends how it starts. If North Korea invades a city, slaughters a bunch of innocents while looking them in the eyes, retreats taking a bunch of hostages to boot, and justifies it with a history of shared animosity they're probably not going to be the sympathetic ones regardless of the opponent being Myanmar.
slaughters a bunch of innocents while looking them in the eyes
So it's the eye contact that you object to?
Because the occupation forces have been doing the rest of the things you list and more for 75 years.
I'm not saying that justifies terrorism, nothing does, but if you want to cast the greater villain, it behooves you to choose the ones that have killed, raped and abducted by far the greater numbers while being the only ones with the power to stop or at the very least dramatically deescalate the atrocities.
No, Hamas has the power to stop. All they have to do is surrender and release the hostages. After that if Israel continues THEN it is a genocidal atrocity. Until then it is the intentional consequences of Hamas hiding behind children to protect themselves. The only reason Israel has the higher body count is Hamas uses mass civilian casualties to try and garner sympathy (and you're supporting that strategy). Not Israel's fault. Negotiating with terrorists is unethical.
Hamas has the power to stop
The power to stop Israel? The FUCK they do!
All they have to do is surrender and release the hostages
Bullshit. Netanyahu himself keeps saying that they'll not accept any deal that doesn't let them resume the genocide after getting the hostages back.
Hamas and the hostages are just pretenses covering for the fact that the fascist apartheid regime is hellbent on killing or displacing all Palestinians and erasing all traces of them ever existing in Gaza.
After that if Israel continues THEN it is a genocidal atrocity.
As I pointed out above, the intent is clear: the Israeli government wants to "eliminate Hamas" and considers every Palestinian a part of or at the very least in support of Hamas. Including the children.
It that's not enough for you to admit that it's a genocide, nothing will be.
Until then it is the intentional consequences of Hamas hiding behind children to protect themselves
Fun fact: the IDF uses Palestinian civilians as human shields much more often than Hamas does. Does that make any violence against Israeli civilians acceptable? Of course not!
Your double standards are showing.
The only reason Israel has the higher body count is Hamas uses mass civilian casualties to try and garner sympathy
No, Israel has killed over 100x as many because Israel has one of the biggest and most advanced military in the history of humanity whereas Hamas is a couple thousands of poorly armed terrorists and the real "enemy" the IDF is targeting is the Palestinian population at large.
and you're supporting that strategy
Classic Zionist bullshit. Not being pro-genocide like you doesn't mean that I'm pro-Hamas.
Whether Hamas is "trying to" make it so or not, it takes someone who's either heartless or completely blinded by Hasbara gaslighting to see 186,000+ die, most of them civilians, and not have sympathy for the civilians of Gaza.
Not Israel's fault.
That's the biggest lie you've told yet, which is saying a shitload.
Negotiating with terrorists is unethical.
So what you're saying is that Israel has to keep up the genocide? After all, it's not like they have anyone else to negotiate with than Hamas.
Be better. Or at the very least less credulous.
Fun fact: the IDF uses Palestinian civilians as human shields much more often than Hamas does. Does that make any violence against Israeli civilians acceptable? Of course not!
Non-biased citation (aljazeera and friends don't count) please.
Ah, best you can do is a few reports where prosecution of those involved is inadequate, but at least existent. So it isn't policy of Israeli forces, just a few bad apples? Gotchya ;)
One bad apple spoils the bunch. When you have a few bad apples you throw the barrel out.
So you’re saying there are good mass child murderers and bad mass child murderers?
Gonna be honest: Yes. You know one side is going to keep committing child murder on purpose until made to stop. They went out to murder children, looked children who were cowering in the eyes, and murdered them in cold blood. Then they went back, put their own children near their weapon stores, hid among their children, and begged third parties to keep them from getting punished for murdering children. Considering the last major hostage trade gave the children murders their chief child murderer back, I would not want to arrange another trade of child murderers for civilians who did nothing wrong other than be close to them.
You know one side is going to keep committing child murder on purpose until made to stop
Both are, but the occupation forces on a much larger scale.
looked children who were cowering in the eyes
Man, you REALLY seem to hate eye contact..
put their own children near their weapon stores
That's Hasbara bullshit. It's just what the IDF claims when they target schools and want to pretend that it's somehow justified.
Considering the last major hostage trade gave the children murders their chief child murderer back
Pretty sure Netanyahu has been safe in his palace this whole time
I would not want to arrange another trade of child murderers for civilians who did nothing wrong other than be close to them
You know that the Israeli military prisons are full of tens of thousands of innocent civilians arrested, tortured, and raped by the IDF for just being at the wrong place (which is often their own home) at the wrong time, right?
Of course you don't. Because the IDF never lie and every human rights group is Hamas 🙄
In it's 'war against Hamas' Israel has now bombed 3 countries that has no Hamas
The problem with the Israeli attacks i gaza is not the attacks themselves. Israel should have the right to defend themselves on all sides.
The problem is, that in Palestine they are using this as an excuse to kill as many civilians as they can get away with. This is genocide. They are more or less regulating the population of Palestine, and arguing that they in reality are fighting Hamas. The civilians are unfortunate accidents (that more or less keep on happening day in and day out)
Because cowering behind civilians in the hopes their deaths garner sympathy is totally not in the terrorist handbook
It is! But that is no excuse for killing so many civilians.
I for one don’t think you can ever justify killing civilians, let along tens of thousands of them.
Then again, I’m not a monster so 🤷
and yet you (directly or indirectly) literally support known terrorists.
I do not support Israel.
But if you’re referring to Hamas, I don’t support them either; as I clearly said I don’t support the killing of innocent people. Even if that is in response to the murder of innocent people.
Hamas suck, As does the Israeli government and anybody that supports their actions over the last 9/10 months and even longer than that to be honest.
See, you're doing it again. No, Hamas doesn't just 'suck'. It's this false equivalence BS that has my ire. Hamas... are. literal. terrorists. and that is not in dispute by anyone worth listening to. Hamas as a strategy kill, rape, torture, and take hostage anyone they can get their evil fucking hands on. Israel wants to just exist but have been putting up with the afforementioned terrorism for 80 years. So they got a little Nietzschian. Israel is sick of it. I would be too if I was in their shoes.
That's the difference. They have a right to exist and I support that unequivocally. Are they perfect? Of course not. Would they be as hostile to Palestinians as they are had Terrorism Incorporated not made every minute of the last 80 years constant jeopardy? Um probably not. Is this a genocide? Not yet, but it could be if team Hamas doesn't smarten up and say 'hey now maybe peaceful solutions are a good idea'. Until then, Fuck Hamas and their putting civilians lives in jeopardy with their stubbornness.
If and when they surrender and release the hostages Israel continues this assault then yeah. They the baddies. Right now they are just getting their hands dirtier than you, sitting comfortably in your a/c sipping a latte somewhere else, would prefer protecting themselves.
So you don’t see how Israelis settlers make life unlivable for Palestinians? Or that Israel has taken more and more territory over the last 8 decades?
You seem to only want to shit on the terrorists Hamas and find issue with my choice of words, and not address any critique of Israel at all. That get my ire, the fact that people will focus on Hamas.
Doesn't justify terrorism or warcrimes.
Edit: I will sit down and commiserate with you on the shit show from both sides for the last 80 years, but those issues should have been dealt with in the past and are not a justification for the present.
It doesn’t and Israel should stop committing them, as should Hamas.
All Israel are doing is ensuring the next wave of Hamas conscripts.
Who decides when we the statute of limitations is up on past transgressions of Israel?
Same people that decide that for the past transgressions of Terrorism Incorporated. Both sides need to stop, sit down and come to an agreement somehow. The only other way for peace is one Hamas sympathizers will NOT like.
As for 'the next wave of Hamas conscripts'. That is inevitable. 80 ish years ago Israel did nothing but come into existance due to a UN mandate and all the nations around them declared war. Nothing Israel can do or not do will prevent Hamas and the like from growing except ceasing to exist and that is the genocide Hamas et al sympathizers are actually supporting.
Israel has been the one to turn down any ceasefire agreements put forward by Hamas, even the ones with the return of all hostages. So that seems like Israel doesn’t want a resolution and is dead set on the, impossible, task of wiping out Hamas. Which is something that isn’t likely, as killing my whole family might make me join Hamas.
Let me ask you this. Is the Palestinian people have tried peaceful measures to get Israel to stop taking land and killing people, and they’ve tried political means. What choice other than violence is left.
Wasn’t it JFK that said something like “people who make a peaceful resolution impossible will make a violent resolution inevitable”.
Yeah, fuck you
Iran has been fighting a proxy conflict against Israel through the Houthis, Hezbollah, and Hamas since 1985.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Israel_proxy_conflict
How is a state that's largely funded by another state not a proxy for the bigger state? It's not a Israel Iran proxy war. It's a us Iran proxy war
Iran has been supplying the Houthis, Hezbollah, and Hamas with munitions, intel, and training to support attacks on Israel.
And the US has been doing the same for Israel
… Israel will sink our ships if they find them inconvenient.
Perhaps, but they'd do it with missiles that we designed and gave them. -- this is the problem.
They absolutely will. On the other hand the Houthis attacked a Russian ship the other day so same I guess.
Israel is a sovereign nation. According to international law, they are held responsible for their actions. The same law does not apply to independent rebel groups, putting the responsibility on Iran.
If Israel can declare itself a sovereign nation on another peoples land there is no reason rebel groups cannot call themselves legitimate rulers. Anyone can call themselves anything.
There are criteria. It’s not simply self declared.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_state
So an army and a mailing address?
The Houthis are a Zaydi Shiite movement that has been fighting Yemen's Sunni-majority government since 2004. They reside in Yemen, so they have no land, and they are governed by Yemen. Therefore they are a faction, not a nation.
I was referring to your requirements for being a state. Even in your explanation you state that they have no land, therefore no mailing address, so thats why they are not a nation.
Ownership of land with agreed-upon borders defines a country. A nation needs to govern its land, but does not necessarily have permanent agreed-upon borders. That’s why Palestine is a nation, but not a country, for example.
Cute of you to site international law in favour of country that shits on international law after it got its UN approval.
Gtfo
You’re heavily projecting. I’m not defending Israel, nor do I support what they’ve done to Palestinians. I’m sharing cited factual information about the legal difference between a group, nation, and country. My opinion didn’t even enter the conversation until you incorrectly assumed what it was.
And I am clarifying to you that Israel doesn't recognize any such laws so they don't get any benefit of them.
It is an illegal colonization program conducted at a gun point with forced removals and genocide.
So we are all clear here.
By that logic, so is the US.
Technically, Hezbollah is a proxy for Israel.
How so? My understanding is that Hezbollah is supported by Iran, Syria, North Korea, Russia, and Lebanon.
Most of their money and support is coming through Lebanon. And the Moussad is injecting massive ammounts of graft into the Lebanese government in order to destabilize it.
Yeah Russia does this trick. Ukraine is still funding the war against itself but traitors are able to operate within the state.
This shit is cancer
Possibly because this is retaliation for drone strikes and not part of the "war against Hamas."
People have been warning from day 1 about the possibility of a regional escalation.
Apparently you cannot spend months acting in a way that neighboors who already don't like you find morally reprehensible without some of those neighbors inserting themselves into the conflict.
The real question is how long can Iran avoid getting dragged into that. And if Iran gets involved directly, will we be able to contain this to a regional war, or will this small decades old conflict between parties whose total population is only about 12 million become the trigger for world war 3.
It's less the people and more the trade routes and resources. Some would argue the most important in the world
God I hope so. I had a dream once that the entirety of the land between the black sea and the gulf of aden was glassed smooth, and finally the world was at peace.
Maybe someone mumbled "they have hummus" and everyone else just rolled with it?
3?
You forgot one at least. Lebanon, Syria, Iran, Yemen. Maybe you can find the common denominator within these 4.
Keep appealing to those flimsy technicalities. Totally working!
FYI: Houthis recruit and have been responsible for the battliefield deaths of thousands of child soldiers.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/6/16/houthis-continue-to-recruit-child-soldiers-despite-yemen-truce
Neither side is the good guy here.
Neither is good, but bombing the child soldiers feels worse.
Once you're responsible for the deaths of thousands of children, I don't think it's a "which is worse" contest.
Because really, you don't get much worse than murdering thousands of children.
Add it to the pile of Israeli war crimes
Israel is not responsible for the child murders of the Houthis. Only the ones they commit themselves.
Fair. But not great that everyone is supporting Saudis instead of actually doing peace keeping just like they do when looking other when Israel does whatever it wants
Believe me, you won't hear me praising the Saudis either. Especially not after the Mecca girls' school fire. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Mecca_girls%27_school_fire
And that's not even taking 9/11 into account.
Israel hasn’t been fighting these child soldiers. They were part of the Yemeni civil war.
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"24 is the highest number."
Anecdotally, I lived in Sanaa for a while as a kid in the '80's, and one of my enduring memories is seeing kids in the street with AK's. Other highlights included being chased up a pile of concrete and rebar by a pack of wild dogs, and riding in a helicopter that they used in one of the Rambo movies (the Afghanistan one, I think).
I'm sorry, that sounds really traumatic and I hope it hasn't followed you with additional trauma.
Hey, I appreciate the sentiment. I didn't really think any of that was trauma-inducing—except the dogs, but a friendly labrador helped me get over that a year or two later. Luckily, I've stocked up on all kinds of trauma since then! These are just colorful childhood memories.
Killed by Saudi Arabia with American weapons
To paraphrase: "The Houthis entered this war under the rather childish delusion that they were going to bomb everybody else and nobody was going to bomb them."
Maybe don't bomb people, and, failing that, don't be surprised when they bomb you back.
Funny, works with "The Israelis entered..." too.
Funnier still how the headlines on certain publications work. Houthis bomb Israel, Israel bombs them back; headline is "Israel bombs Yemen in Escalation with Houthis".
Yeah, it should just say "Yemenis die amid bombing".
Fuck Israel
hopefully they try to open a third front with Lebanon and seal the deal on the end of their apartheid settler project 🙏
Lebanon won't end Israel, or vice versa, but making a move on the Golan Heights might.
Is this still called self defence? Surely people can see through this. No?
Some of these comments are weird.
The Houthis have been keeping up their blockade for 8 months and have already been bombed by US coalition forces multiple times.
I don't think they are at all surprised aside from the fact that it took Israel this long to do the exact same thing.
I keep seeing lots of "find out phase" comments on other threads which doesn't make any sense because they've been effectively at war for years on end, and definitely with Israel for 8 months.
The more interesting notion is that Israel also probably bombed some residential areas unlike the US who were trying to destroy missile launch sites to end the blockade.Unsure because it was an oil depot.
This is more likely just PR for Israeli capabilities
REAL Jews LOVE War and Death and Bombs!
-Evangelical Republicans who are also NOT Snowflakes!
Israel being the world's most hated state was not in my bingo cards for this millennium.
Really? Haven't you been paying attention for the last 77 years?
Being hated for being religious or a certain type of religion IS VERY DIFFERENT than being hated for being genocidal assholes.
Same way most people don't care for a certain German vegetarian painter's antics in that timeframe, but not the German people.
Or not liking TV Evangelists because they're greedy assholes that steal from the poor to buy private jets. The fairy stories they peddle are irrelevant.
After 8 months the Huthis reached the find out phase.
For the people who criticize fellow arabs don't care about palestinians.
The Houthis have been cruisin' for a bruisin'
Israel has since 1948.
Houthis have been getting bombed of more than four years now by United States and Saudi Arabia. Israel ain't gonna do shit.
The efforts of ansarallah have been nothing short of heroic
Behold 'heroism' in all its glory!
I'm really getting tired of people casting these murderers in a good light just because they're fighting Israel.
Not every fight has a good side and a bad side. Sometimes they're both bad sides. If North Korea and Mynamar went to war, I would hope no one here would be cheering either side on.
It depends how it starts. If North Korea invades a city, slaughters a bunch of innocents while looking them in the eyes, retreats taking a bunch of hostages to boot, and justifies it with a history of shared animosity they're probably not going to be the sympathetic ones regardless of the opponent being Myanmar.
So it's the eye contact that you object to?
Because the occupation forces have been doing the rest of the things you list and more for 75 years.
I'm not saying that justifies terrorism, nothing does, but if you want to cast the greater villain, it behooves you to choose the ones that have killed, raped and abducted by far the greater numbers while being the only ones with the power to stop or at the very least dramatically deescalate the atrocities.
No, Hamas has the power to stop. All they have to do is surrender and release the hostages. After that if Israel continues THEN it is a genocidal atrocity. Until then it is the intentional consequences of Hamas hiding behind children to protect themselves. The only reason Israel has the higher body count is Hamas uses mass civilian casualties to try and garner sympathy (and you're supporting that strategy). Not Israel's fault. Negotiating with terrorists is unethical.
The power to stop Israel? The FUCK they do!
Bullshit. Netanyahu himself keeps saying that they'll not accept any deal that doesn't let them resume the genocide after getting the hostages back.
Hamas and the hostages are just pretenses covering for the fact that the fascist apartheid regime is hellbent on killing or displacing all Palestinians and erasing all traces of them ever existing in Gaza.
As I pointed out above, the intent is clear: the Israeli government wants to "eliminate Hamas" and considers every Palestinian a part of or at the very least in support of Hamas. Including the children.
It that's not enough for you to admit that it's a genocide, nothing will be.
Fun fact: the IDF uses Palestinian civilians as human shields much more often than Hamas does. Does that make any violence against Israeli civilians acceptable? Of course not!
Your double standards are showing.
No, Israel has killed over 100x as many because Israel has one of the biggest and most advanced military in the history of humanity whereas Hamas is a couple thousands of poorly armed terrorists and the real "enemy" the IDF is targeting is the Palestinian population at large.
Classic Zionist bullshit. Not being pro-genocide like you doesn't mean that I'm pro-Hamas.
Whether Hamas is "trying to" make it so or not, it takes someone who's either heartless or completely blinded by Hasbara gaslighting to see 186,000+ die, most of them civilians, and not have sympathy for the civilians of Gaza.
That's the biggest lie you've told yet, which is saying a shitload.
So what you're saying is that Israel has to keep up the genocide? After all, it's not like they have anyone else to negotiate with than Hamas.
Be better. Or at the very least less credulous.
Non-biased citation (aljazeera and friends don't count) please.
Haaretz good enough for you?
Reuters?
Human Rights Watch?
Amnesty International?
Ah, best you can do is a few reports where prosecution of those involved is inadequate, but at least existent. So it isn't policy of Israeli forces, just a few bad apples? Gotchya ;)
One bad apple spoils the bunch. When you have a few bad apples you throw the barrel out.
So you’re saying there are good mass child murderers and bad mass child murderers?
Gonna be honest: Yes. You know one side is going to keep committing child murder on purpose until made to stop. They went out to murder children, looked children who were cowering in the eyes, and murdered them in cold blood. Then they went back, put their own children near their weapon stores, hid among their children, and begged third parties to keep them from getting punished for murdering children. Considering the last major hostage trade gave the children murders their chief child murderer back, I would not want to arrange another trade of child murderers for civilians who did nothing wrong other than be close to them.
Both are, but the occupation forces on a much larger scale.
Man, you REALLY seem to hate eye contact..
That's Hasbara bullshit. It's just what the IDF claims when they target schools and want to pretend that it's somehow justified.
Pretty sure Netanyahu has been safe in his palace this whole time
You know that the Israeli military prisons are full of tens of thousands of innocent civilians arrested, tortured, and raped by the IDF for just being at the wrong place (which is often their own home) at the wrong time, right?
Of course you don't. Because the IDF never lie and every human rights group is Hamas 🙄
I think your confusing north and south korea
Except that has nothing to do with their heroic fight against the US navy and Israel.
We need 4 more years of Joe. He will resolve this issue peacefully!
Because the Republicans would have fared better?
Trump was pretty clear in siding with Israel. At least Biden does it begrugedly so.
Trump loves bibi, he loves authoritarian leaders, he would send us boots over there to please bibi
Because Trump will solve it?
Bibi and Trump are best buds. If anything, this escalates further if he wins.
I see you’d prefer nuclear war