Foreign ministry spokesperson Maria Zakharova accused Kyiv of "intimidating the peaceful population of Russia"
do you get to claim that when your country instigates a full-on war?
You’re assuming they admit to being the instigator.
which is absolutely hilarious. like the kid with their hand in the cookie jar claiming they have no idea whats goin on
It is merely special bakery extraction assignment. We are winning, commrad...... munch munch munch
What? No. I didn't eat cookie! It was pastry digestion operation. We are winning, comrad!
It worked for Hitler, or so he claimed. “Poland started it!”.
Define "worked". Because Poland is where the Allies pivoted from "appeasement while we frantically try to build up fighting power" to "ok now it's war".
By worked I meant he used that excuse to invade, not the longer term effects of his invasion. If that makes sense.
Comrade, how can you forgets. Is special military operation, we are not the aggressor
You’re not allowed to come here, it’s private property \s
What war? It's a special operation /s
Well, I think she's speaking the truth. Of all the Russians, those that are peaceful are probably pretty intimidated by the shooting in their vicinity.
Yeah, who do they think is killing the Ukrainians? It's the "peaceful" population of Russia.
Imagine if Prigozhin had waited until now for his ill-fated push to the Kremlin...
As I recall, he called it off after the Kremlin walked back whatever policy it was that pissed him off.
I seem to recall that arresting Gerasimov during a visit to Rostov-on-Don was part if the plan, and one of the generals next in line was friendly to Wagner so it would've created division in the ranks. But Shoigu got tipped off, the general backed out, and Prigozhin eventually realized without military backing he'd eventually lose
At least he has learned his lesson now. /s
Don't fly over Russia after trying to do a coup?
You mean, don't use airplanes in Russia period? Also, don't stand close to windows.
All these things.
Imagine if he had balls and actually did it back then
As they say in Breaking Bad: no half-measures. It got him murdered anyway, he should have gone all the way with a coup...
Prigozhin sobering up early is one of history's big disappointments.
Moscow or bust boys keep grabbing them by the balls and kicking them in the ass.
Seriously the media needs to use more words like these... "Penetration" , "Thrusting into" , "etc ....
It would just grate on 'ol Pootie so nicely.
Ukraine thrusts deep into Russia as Russia pushes back gently, but while whimpering quietly. Ukraine pulls russias hair and leans in close, whispering "take it all, whore"
I mean, Ukraine does not have the ability to hold anything or do a sustained push. It would be foolish to try.
Going in, destroying supplies and infrastructure, and then leaving is the smart move unless there are good choke points to hold.
Yeah, I hope that's the plan, otherwise they'll just lose everyone they sent over there. Go in, destroy a bunch of stuff and leave is the smart plan. It'll force Russia to keep substantial amounts of troops in Russia to avoid a repeat, shows they're weak and boosts morale in Ukraine.
Obviously, they can't go all the way to Moscow but Kursk or bust doesn't have the same ring to it.
Guys, guys, guys. I know a surefire way to get Ukrainian troops out of Russia immediately. Putin, call me.
Little more time and a little more progress, Ukraine will sort that call out to their own.
18.6 miles, y'all.
Fifty thousand dishwashers side by side
How many bananas?
Roughly 147,312 if laid end to end, 942,796 if laid side by side
I'm gonna need bigger calipers...
That’s what she said.
My feet, yours, or potato-supreme court king feet?
Whosever is more ticklish!
327.36 football fields
lol
lmao even
Any good places to follow Ukraine conflict on Lemmy? Trying again to switch off Reddit…
Noncredibledefense has updates, but may not qualify as a "good place." Extremely meme focused.
But the info is so fresh! Newcomers beware... it's hard to tell what's info vs a random meme.
I love noncredibledefense and get a lot of my news from there. But unfortunately it’s not as active as on Reddit, but I REFUSE to go back there. We need to do something to recruit more people.
The Ukraine group on sopuli.xyz gets a lot of updates.
Not Lemmy but there's frequent updates at ISW, (Institute for the Study of War). Just google ISW Ukraine to get their report page.
Start your own community and I will post there when I can if thats what you want.
I appreciate that! Trying to find one that’s already established. Especially if my attempt to leave Reddit fails again.
Same here. I see there are lots of subs that I would like to start, but I don't want to be responsible for moderating, myself.
It would be so cool to get one to develop that’s even close to the size as the one on reddit. Ever since I got off Reddit, I’ve missed those subs a lot. But I REFUSE to go back.
I find its useful to follow folks you notice posting quality content.
September 22 starts Fall. Winter is coming.
Tell them not to get stuck in Russia. I hear it's bad strategy.
I know this applies to the French and to Germans, but does the rule hold for Ukrainians?
Good question. I guess we could try it out...
My understanding is the Ukrainians do very well on defense. Pushing into Russia forces Russia to attack them, even in the winter. Otherwise they'd stop the attack until spring/summer. If they let Ukraine hold this ground until then though that's a huge loss for Russian PR at least. Ukraine probably won't attack in the winter, which is the issue, but Russia will probably be forced to.
Putin is about to relocate to Siberia
The deeper they get, I imagine the more ammunition stashes they'll pass. I wonder how much they've been able to claim.
I would assume not much, it's an incursion. Meaning they don't have the infrastructure to ship it back. If they find any caches, they probably would take what they can use quickly, and destroy the rest.
That all makes sense. I saw today they have captured at least one tank which is nice.
They've penetrated two prepared defence lines which they may want to hunker down in later so shipping ammo back to those would be less hassle.
There's some talk of them potentially holding that gas plant to force Russia to destroy it to dislodge them too, cutting off gas to Hungary while making Russia the one that does it. Muuuaahahaha.
The whole thing is fascinating. Really looking forward to the Perun video on it which will hopefully be next week.
That would be fucking awesome.
Of course the narrative will be 'Ukraine forced our hand.' but everyone, of course, will know better.
Actually, I hadn't thought about that aspect of the incursion. They can potentially disrupt a large amount facilities that give them the remaining export abilities they still have.
I love the photo. It screams.
"From Russia, with love."
This isn’t the meme where mist of the guard have gone to fight “over there” and so left like two guards for the place is it? Be funny if it was.
Once you get passed the line of defense, very little stops you from traveling inland except how much road you have in front of you.
That said, this sounds more and more like a suicide mission. No way they've got 30km of supply lines to support this advance, and its just a matter of time before they're encircled.
That's like...a short drive. In a supply convoy going over rough terrain looking out for drones, maybe a couple hours.
Is this the part of Russia that Russia invaded and annexed from Ukraine originally?
Donetsk and Crimea? No.
This is on the Russian side of the border north of Ukraine in an area that Ukraine has never previously laid claim to.
I’ve played enough Advance Wars to feel something is amiss.
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do you get to claim that when your country instigates a full-on war?
You’re assuming they admit to being the instigator.
which is absolutely hilarious. like the kid with their hand in the cookie jar claiming they have no idea whats goin on
It is merely special bakery extraction assignment. We are winning, commrad...... munch munch munch
What? No. I didn't eat cookie! It was pastry digestion operation. We are winning, comrad!
It worked for Hitler, or so he claimed. “Poland started it!”.
Define "worked". Because Poland is where the Allies pivoted from "appeasement while we frantically try to build up fighting power" to "ok now it's war".
By worked I meant he used that excuse to invade, not the longer term effects of his invasion. If that makes sense.
Comrade, how can you forgets. Is special military operation, we are not the aggressor
You’re not allowed to come here, it’s private property \s
What war? It's a special operation /s
Well, I think she's speaking the truth. Of all the Russians, those that are peaceful are probably pretty intimidated by the shooting in their vicinity.
Yeah, who do they think is killing the Ukrainians? It's the "peaceful" population of Russia.
Imagine if Prigozhin had waited until now for his ill-fated push to the Kremlin...
As I recall, he called it off after the Kremlin walked back whatever policy it was that pissed him off.
I seem to recall that arresting Gerasimov during a visit to Rostov-on-Don was part if the plan, and one of the generals next in line was friendly to Wagner so it would've created division in the ranks. But Shoigu got tipped off, the general backed out, and Prigozhin eventually realized without military backing he'd eventually lose
At least he has learned his lesson now. /s
Don't fly over Russia after trying to do a coup?
You mean, don't use airplanes in Russia period? Also, don't stand close to windows.
All these things.
Imagine if he had balls and actually did it back then
As they say in Breaking Bad: no half-measures. It got him murdered anyway, he should have gone all the way with a coup...
Prigozhin sobering up early is one of history's big disappointments.
Moscow or bust boys keep grabbing them by the balls and kicking them in the ass.
Seriously the media needs to use more words like these... "Penetration" , "Thrusting into" , "etc ....
It would just grate on 'ol Pootie so nicely.
Ukraine thrusts deep into Russia as Russia pushes back gently, but while whimpering quietly. Ukraine pulls russias hair and leans in close, whispering "take it all, whore"
I mean, Ukraine does not have the ability to hold anything or do a sustained push. It would be foolish to try.
Going in, destroying supplies and infrastructure, and then leaving is the smart move unless there are good choke points to hold.
Yeah, I hope that's the plan, otherwise they'll just lose everyone they sent over there. Go in, destroy a bunch of stuff and leave is the smart plan. It'll force Russia to keep substantial amounts of troops in Russia to avoid a repeat, shows they're weak and boosts morale in Ukraine.
Obviously, they can't go all the way to Moscow but Kursk or bust doesn't have the same ring to it.
Guys, guys, guys. I know a surefire way to get Ukrainian troops out of Russia immediately. Putin, call me.
Little more time and a little more progress, Ukraine will sort that call out to their own.
18.6 miles, y'all.
Fifty thousand dishwashers side by side
How many bananas?
Roughly 147,312 if laid end to end, 942,796 if laid side by side
I'm gonna need bigger calipers...
That’s what she said.
My feet, yours, or potato-supreme court king feet?
Whosever is more ticklish!
327.36 football fields
lol
lmao even
Any good places to follow Ukraine conflict on Lemmy? Trying again to switch off Reddit…
Noncredibledefense has updates, but may not qualify as a "good place." Extremely meme focused.
But the info is so fresh! Newcomers beware... it's hard to tell what's info vs a random meme.
I love noncredibledefense and get a lot of my news from there. But unfortunately it’s not as active as on Reddit, but I REFUSE to go back there. We need to do something to recruit more people.
The Ukraine group on sopuli.xyz gets a lot of updates.
!ukraine@sopuli.xyz !russiaukrainewar@lemm.ee !ukraine
Not Lemmy but there's frequent updates at ISW, (Institute for the Study of War). Just google ISW Ukraine to get their report page.
Start your own community and I will post there when I can if thats what you want.
I appreciate that! Trying to find one that’s already established. Especially if my attempt to leave Reddit fails again.
Same here. I see there are lots of subs that I would like to start, but I don't want to be responsible for moderating, myself.
It would be so cool to get one to develop that’s even close to the size as the one on reddit. Ever since I got off Reddit, I’ve missed those subs a lot. But I REFUSE to go back.
I post updates when relevant to !military@lemmy.world
I find its useful to follow folks you notice posting quality content.
September 22 starts Fall. Winter is coming.
Tell them not to get stuck in Russia. I hear it's bad strategy.
I know this applies to the French and to Germans, but does the rule hold for Ukrainians?
Good question. I guess we could try it out...
My understanding is the Ukrainians do very well on defense. Pushing into Russia forces Russia to attack them, even in the winter. Otherwise they'd stop the attack until spring/summer. If they let Ukraine hold this ground until then though that's a huge loss for Russian PR at least. Ukraine probably won't attack in the winter, which is the issue, but Russia will probably be forced to.
Putin is about to relocate to Siberia
The deeper they get, I imagine the more ammunition stashes they'll pass. I wonder how much they've been able to claim.
I would assume not much, it's an incursion. Meaning they don't have the infrastructure to ship it back. If they find any caches, they probably would take what they can use quickly, and destroy the rest.
That all makes sense. I saw today they have captured at least one tank which is nice.
They've penetrated two prepared defence lines which they may want to hunker down in later so shipping ammo back to those would be less hassle.
There's some talk of them potentially holding that gas plant to force Russia to destroy it to dislodge them too, cutting off gas to Hungary while making Russia the one that does it. Muuuaahahaha.
The whole thing is fascinating. Really looking forward to the Perun video on it which will hopefully be next week.
That would be fucking awesome.
Of course the narrative will be 'Ukraine forced our hand.' but everyone, of course, will know better.
Actually, I hadn't thought about that aspect of the incursion. They can potentially disrupt a large amount facilities that give them the remaining export abilities they still have.
I love the photo. It screams.
"From Russia, with love."
This isn’t the meme where mist of the guard have gone to fight “over there” and so left like two guards for the place is it? Be funny if it was.
Once you get passed the line of defense, very little stops you from traveling inland except how much road you have in front of you.
That said, this sounds more and more like a suicide mission. No way they've got 30km of supply lines to support this advance, and its just a matter of time before they're encircled.
That's like...a short drive. In a supply convoy going over rough terrain looking out for drones, maybe a couple hours.
Is this the part of Russia that Russia invaded and annexed from Ukraine originally?
Donetsk and Crimea? No.
This is on the Russian side of the border north of Ukraine in an area that Ukraine has never previously laid claim to.
I’ve played enough Advance Wars to feel something is amiss.
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