Sounds like they're likely also to find themselves in legal trouble
At least one can hope
I thought about that; then I thought what that guy makes in a few minutes'interest on his offshore accounts is probably more than all of Brazil, in a year, and since taxes fund the government and a host of other things, idk
The country of Brazil makes something like 20x Musk's total net worth, but every year.
Plus net worth != actual money.
Good. May they do what is necessary.
People like musk don't make money, they make credit.
Or Brazil. That's the eight largest economy in the world. They headline BRICS for a reason. Sure, China is the true headliner there, but the fact is that Brazil is included in those 5 countries for a reason (multiple actually). There's absolutely no way for a single individual to eclipse the value of the world's 8th largest economy. Pick a country with a lower GDP than Hungary and then we'll talk
On one hand, fuck Musk. On the other hand, internet from space that can't be blocked by governments is a net positive in my book.
Don't forget that Musk is also the one who intentionally blocked paid service from Ukraine during a critical moment in the early days of Russia's current genocide, because Musk sucks up to Putin. Dude needs to answer for his actions.
Yep, fuck Musk
Fuck Musk
Sounds like a French parfum.
that depends on who controls the space internet
Secret cabal of space lizard people.
Watch out for the Jewish space lasers.
Are the Jewish space lasers more dangerous than the Hibernian and Caledonia Rods of god. Im asking incase we need to up our tonnage to match the Jews. I know for a fact we are lagging behind Suomen Helios lance.
That is the catch. Ideally they wouldn't automatically cooperate with the dictators on the ground, but that hasn't been the case.
Not blockable by any government would be a positive in my book if it didn't imply bloclable by a single billionaire with huge mood swing. Don't forget how musk switched off starlink in Crimea at Putin's request when the Russian realized starlink guided missile were heading towards their ships (Source
Controlled by governments or controlled by corpos and the super rich? I say there's hardly an improvement.
Yeah, cables or radio waves, it's the same thing in the end.
What we need (IMO) is another layer on top if the classic internet with encryption and hookers.
Like i2p or TOR?
Or Tenfingers (my network protocol for decentralised web pages and data) ofc š
No, but through the existence of both options, you can get more plurality than by using one individual option.
If we're talking about corporations I can only assume you mean options in how to get fucked.
How is a billionaire manchild in charge any better, at least a government is accountable to the people.
In theory, but how many governments can actually be held accountable? The power imbalance is often too great for the people to hold anyone accountable. In many countries, the system is rigged.
The question was how is it better. Sure there is a question of how much accountability there is with the government...but there is zero with a billionaire.
Replace government with billionaire and your statement is made even more true.
Can't calculate the net yet, since we don't know the gross. He has the capability to cause massive damage with the power he wields. It's already clear that he's incapable of providing an unbiased platform. It needs to belong to the people or it can never be trusted
It needs to belong to the people or it can never be trusted
Damn commies!
The ability to recognize sarcasm doesn't seem to be particularly developed on Lemmy.
And if fucking hate the /s.
I get that simple text doesn't convey as much as images or speech, but, ...i find myself having to add the /s (but it's easier to ignore the downvotes).
Oh? What about internet controlled by a billionaire who makes sure his toxic website featuring his version of āfree speechā is always available to protect his profits and spread his bullshit while undermining the policies of a sovereign state?
So much better than the evil government.
How many people is the billionaire incarcerating?
Good question. He definitely seems like the type that would have a dungeon with captives.
Thatās an arbitrary metric. What about internet across oceans, or across forests? Blocking content is a question of why and what. I mean, shouldnāt we be able to block child exploitation websites? That is to say, of course we can, and itās very easy. The only question is whether you want that kind of censorship to be up to your service provider or your government.
Governments tend to block things like facts about genocides they have committed and opposing political opinions. I would hope things like child exploitation could be managed at the host level.
What if payments to Starlink are blocked by Brazilian government?
He is in a unique position, theoretically he can make everything go through the country his servers are in assuming they pay over their own satellite internet, illegalā¦ mmm almost certainly but so is keeping Ex Twitter on in Brazil so he probably doesnāt care about that, and itās essentially exactly what a VPN does sooo, oh yeah they could also just use a VPN I guess.
Bruh, VPN for what? If Brazil bans payments to Starlink, essentially sanctioning it, how is end user going to circumvent that?
I mean they can jump through hoops to convert currencies etc but most people would just give up and move on.
Paying with Bitcoin is less of a hoop to jump through than it used to be.
How about internet that can be blocked at the whims of a billionaire? At least government is supposed to answer to the people.
it's already been blocked in ukraine by musk at the request of putin
You can block or disrupt communications with LEO.
But you'd need the blessing of the country's government to pump out that much interference continuously.
Usually Gwen Shotwell, SpaceX COO, is good at keeping Elon in check and not screwing up SpaceX business. I wonder what happened this time.
This is the intersection of Xitter and SpaceX and it looks like Xitter takes priority.
If you can only access Xitter through SpaceX, can we call the combination "SpaceXitter"?
Tensions between Brazil and Elon Musk's business empire ratcheted up further as the country's telecoms regulator threatened to sanction his satellite broadband company Starlink hours after its top court stood behind a controversial decision to ban social network X from the country.
A senior official at telecommunications regulator Anatel said sanctions against Starlink for noncompliance could include the revocation of its license to operate in Brazil.
the world needs to ban starlink
If Starlink follows through on its reported vow to ignore the X ban, it is likely to face similar sanctions itself for ignoring a supreme court order.
That could have a big impact in the Brazilian Amazon, where Starlink antennae have spread rapidly since being made available in September 2022, bringing high-speed internet connection to far-flung regions. By the end of 2023 Starlink antennae were being used in more than 90% of the Amazonās municipalities, according to BBC Brasil.
I mean are those people really going to be using Twitter anyway?
just pull their business licence and any government grants then and let the world follow suit.
how are people supposed to pay starlink if their accounts are frozen? is starlink offering free internet?
As the article says, yes.
W
They should kick his shit out of the country
What i love about musk is that he is the best bad example. Maybe someday he'll start a war with some country and then people will start to understand that no single person or group should hold this much power. Because there are also a handful of other people and groups with the same resources who choose to hide in the background.
Remember that time Musk expressed that he was in favor of free speech? Then he censored content on his platform for the Turkish government?
Yes, then he got a bunch of backlash and now he's doing the reverse. And people are losing their shit even more
Damned if you do, damned if you don't. People will find a reason to hate him.
I think he's just a hypocrite who will say anything and contradict it when it's better for him.
Have you ever seen his trans daughter who he disowned for being trans talk about him? He's not a good dude. For years when I first heard of him I was tricked too. Look into him some more man. He's a piece of shit.
Here's some reasons:
Taking credit for other people 's work. I don't think he actually founded any of the companies he owns besides the boring company. That hasn't done anything right? Lol
Having emotional temper tantrums where he tries to ruin people's lives, for example that diver he called a pedophile for no reason.
Again his hypocrisy around his political beliefs. For example how he champions "Free speech" but also will censor words like 'cis'. It's clear to me and many others that "free speech" to Elon just means people are free to say what Elon wants.
Personally I don't give a shit about Musk. I don't care about any celebrities but I try to not hate any of them because that's way too much attention I'm giving to someone who is so insignificant to me. I'm just always aware of them from being on these social media sites because there's always a legion of fans and haters. Maybe I'm really just complaining about social media and wish we were in the time of MySpace. Things were simple then and the internet was wild and untamed.
So Nazi's eh?
I hate Nazi's.
Let's unravel this knotted beast a bit.
If the Brazilian citizens are posting illegal content, arrest them. Forcefully cut off their internet, -snip snip- done, seize their bank accounts, works on Russia.
It should never be the job of a privately owned corporation to enforce the law when the law is perfectly capable of neutralizing the offending entities and enforcing the rules it's own damn self, are they going to make it illegal for Walmart to sell them a cell phone? Couldn't they just create a new account with a new email over VPN? Wouldn't it be easier if the citizens are breaking the law to arrest them rather than take away their Twitter account?
I am not a fan of that fat musky sum bitch, but there is literally no reason that judge has to go after X(I really hate that name), other than he's swinging his dick around and doesn't like to be told to put some damn underwear on.
Arrest the citizens if they are breaking the law, if they aren't breaking the law then what gives anyone the right to silence them? Just an egomaniac judge with no actual laws backing him and a tiny shvance facing off against a megalomaniac with a tiny shvance that consistently protects only the free speech he agrees with.
There. Unknotted.
If the people of Brazil want Nazi propaganda to end in a prison sentence, it should be law, and then all Twitter has to do is the same thing it does with other illegal content, turn over the user to the authorities and wash their hands of the mess.
Not some judge unilaterally making free speech decisions(even in Brazil)
It's perfectly valid to seize or forbid account that break the law. And if a company facilitates others to break the law you ask them to stop. In this case the company refused to.. so now they are in trouble too.
If Brazil had a law that requires cars to be limited to 100km/h then they need to modify their cars to meet the law. And with ota updates do this in that country. If someone imports a car and it's not updated even though the manufacturer knows it is in that country, they also breech the law.
Sounds like they're likely also to find themselves in legal trouble
At least one can hope
I thought about that; then I thought what that guy makes in a few minutes'interest on his offshore accounts is probably more than all of Brazil, in a year, and since taxes fund the government and a host of other things, idk
The country of Brazil makes something like 20x Musk's total net worth, but every year.
Plus net worth != actual money.
Good. May they do what is necessary.
People like musk don't make money, they make credit.
Trevor Noah said it best.
That's not how money works
Or Brazil. That's the eight largest economy in the world. They headline BRICS for a reason. Sure, China is the true headliner there, but the fact is that Brazil is included in those 5 countries for a reason (multiple actually). There's absolutely no way for a single individual to eclipse the value of the world's 8th largest economy. Pick a country with a lower GDP than Hungary and then we'll talk
On one hand, fuck Musk. On the other hand, internet from space that can't be blocked by governments is a net positive in my book.
Don't forget that Musk is also the one who intentionally blocked paid service from Ukraine during a critical moment in the early days of Russia's current genocide, because Musk sucks up to Putin. Dude needs to answer for his actions.
Yep, fuck Musk
Sounds like a French parfum.
that depends on who controls the space internet
Secret cabal of space lizard people.
Watch out for the Jewish space lasers.
Are the Jewish space lasers more dangerous than the Hibernian and Caledonia Rods of god. Im asking incase we need to up our tonnage to match the Jews. I know for a fact we are lagging behind Suomen Helios lance.
That is the catch. Ideally they wouldn't automatically cooperate with the dictators on the ground, but that hasn't been the case.
Not blockable by any government would be a positive in my book if it didn't imply bloclable by a single billionaire with huge mood swing. Don't forget how musk switched off starlink in Crimea at Putin's request when the Russian realized starlink guided missile were heading towards their ships (Source
Controlled by governments or controlled by corpos and the super rich? I say there's hardly an improvement.
Yeah, cables or radio waves, it's the same thing in the end.
What we need (IMO) is another layer on top if the classic internet with encryption and hookers.
Like i2p or TOR?
Or Tenfingers (my network protocol for decentralised web pages and data) ofc š
No, but through the existence of both options, you can get more plurality than by using one individual option.
If we're talking about corporations I can only assume you mean options in how to get fucked.
How is a billionaire manchild in charge any better, at least a government is accountable to the people.
In theory, but how many governments can actually be held accountable? The power imbalance is often too great for the people to hold anyone accountable. In many countries, the system is rigged.
The question was how is it better. Sure there is a question of how much accountability there is with the government...but there is zero with a billionaire.
Replace government with billionaire and your statement is made even more true.
Can't calculate the net yet, since we don't know the gross. He has the capability to cause massive damage with the power he wields. It's already clear that he's incapable of providing an unbiased platform. It needs to belong to the people or it can never be trusted
Damn commies!
The ability to recognize sarcasm doesn't seem to be particularly developed on Lemmy.
And if fucking hate the /s.
I get that simple text doesn't convey as much as images or speech, but, ...i find myself having to add the /s (but it's easier to ignore the downvotes).
Oh? What about internet controlled by a billionaire who makes sure his toxic website featuring his version of āfree speechā is always available to protect his profits and spread his bullshit while undermining the policies of a sovereign state?
So much better than the evil government.
How many people is the billionaire incarcerating?
Good question. He definitely seems like the type that would have a dungeon with captives.
Thatās an arbitrary metric. What about internet across oceans, or across forests? Blocking content is a question of why and what. I mean, shouldnāt we be able to block child exploitation websites? That is to say, of course we can, and itās very easy. The only question is whether you want that kind of censorship to be up to your service provider or your government.
Governments tend to block things like facts about genocides they have committed and opposing political opinions. I would hope things like child exploitation could be managed at the host level.
What if payments to Starlink are blocked by Brazilian government?
He is in a unique position, theoretically he can make everything go through the country his servers are in assuming they pay over their own satellite internet, illegalā¦ mmm almost certainly but so is keeping Ex Twitter on in Brazil so he probably doesnāt care about that, and itās essentially exactly what a VPN does sooo, oh yeah they could also just use a VPN I guess.
Bruh, VPN for what? If Brazil bans payments to Starlink, essentially sanctioning it, how is end user going to circumvent that?
I mean they can jump through hoops to convert currencies etc but most people would just give up and move on.
Paying with Bitcoin is less of a hoop to jump through than it used to be.
How about internet that can be blocked at the whims of a billionaire? At least government is supposed to answer to the people.
it's already been blocked in ukraine by musk at the request of putin
You can block or disrupt communications with LEO.
But you'd need the blessing of the country's government to pump out that much interference continuously.
Usually Gwen Shotwell, SpaceX COO, is good at keeping Elon in check and not screwing up SpaceX business. I wonder what happened this time.
This is the intersection of Xitter and SpaceX and it looks like Xitter takes priority.
If you can only access Xitter through SpaceX, can we call the combination "SpaceXitter"?
His ego is above all else
Logically, now they have to ban Starlink too.
Seems like it's on the table
https://www.reuters.com/technology/brazils-supreme-court-chamber-forms-majority-uphold-x-suspension-2024-09-02/
the world needs to ban starlink
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/article/2024/sep/02/brazils-supreme-court-upholds-x-ban-over-conduct
I mean are those people really going to be using Twitter anyway?
just pull their business licence and any government grants then and let the world follow suit.
how are people supposed to pay starlink if their accounts are frozen? is starlink offering free internet?
As the article says, yes.
W
They should kick his shit out of the country
What i love about musk is that he is the best bad example. Maybe someday he'll start a war with some country and then people will start to understand that no single person or group should hold this much power. Because there are also a handful of other people and groups with the same resources who choose to hide in the background.
Remember that time Musk expressed that he was in favor of free speech? Then he censored content on his platform for the Turkish government?
Yes, then he got a bunch of backlash and now he's doing the reverse. And people are losing their shit even more
Damned if you do, damned if you don't. People will find a reason to hate him.
I think he's just a hypocrite who will say anything and contradict it when it's better for him.
Have you ever seen his trans daughter who he disowned for being trans talk about him? He's not a good dude. For years when I first heard of him I was tricked too. Look into him some more man. He's a piece of shit.
Here's some reasons:
Taking credit for other people 's work. I don't think he actually founded any of the companies he owns besides the boring company. That hasn't done anything right? Lol
Having emotional temper tantrums where he tries to ruin people's lives, for example that diver he called a pedophile for no reason.
Again his hypocrisy around his political beliefs. For example how he champions "Free speech" but also will censor words like 'cis'. It's clear to me and many others that "free speech" to Elon just means people are free to say what Elon wants.
Personally I don't give a shit about Musk. I don't care about any celebrities but I try to not hate any of them because that's way too much attention I'm giving to someone who is so insignificant to me. I'm just always aware of them from being on these social media sites because there's always a legion of fans and haters. Maybe I'm really just complaining about social media and wish we were in the time of MySpace. Things were simple then and the internet was wild and untamed.
So Nazi's eh? I hate Nazi's. Let's unravel this knotted beast a bit. If the Brazilian citizens are posting illegal content, arrest them. Forcefully cut off their internet, -snip snip- done, seize their bank accounts, works on Russia. It should never be the job of a privately owned corporation to enforce the law when the law is perfectly capable of neutralizing the offending entities and enforcing the rules it's own damn self, are they going to make it illegal for Walmart to sell them a cell phone? Couldn't they just create a new account with a new email over VPN? Wouldn't it be easier if the citizens are breaking the law to arrest them rather than take away their Twitter account? I am not a fan of that fat musky sum bitch, but there is literally no reason that judge has to go after X(I really hate that name), other than he's swinging his dick around and doesn't like to be told to put some damn underwear on. Arrest the citizens if they are breaking the law, if they aren't breaking the law then what gives anyone the right to silence them? Just an egomaniac judge with no actual laws backing him and a tiny shvance facing off against a megalomaniac with a tiny shvance that consistently protects only the free speech he agrees with. There. Unknotted. If the people of Brazil want Nazi propaganda to end in a prison sentence, it should be law, and then all Twitter has to do is the same thing it does with other illegal content, turn over the user to the authorities and wash their hands of the mess. Not some judge unilaterally making free speech decisions(even in Brazil)
It's perfectly valid to seize or forbid account that break the law. And if a company facilitates others to break the law you ask them to stop. In this case the company refused to.. so now they are in trouble too.
If Brazil had a law that requires cars to be limited to 100km/h then they need to modify their cars to meet the law. And with ota updates do this in that country. If someone imports a car and it's not updated even though the manufacturer knows it is in that country, they also breech the law.
That Nazi propaganda spreading user? Elon Musk.