Get off your high fucking horse. Upvotes are for content you want to see, downvotes are for content you don't. Can we stop pretending there's some bullshit morality attached or that they're for anything other than base popularity?
This isn't right either, upvotes are for whatever I want and downvotes are for whatever I want. Ima fucking downvoted myself now after I post this comment
I'm downvoting you now because I agree with you
And I'm upvoting you because while I completely disagree with your comment, I'm in gratitude of your effort and we will always need new comments.
I'm upvoting you because I respect your opinion, but disagree, because commenting for the sake of commenting reduces the overall quality of a thread and downvote myself, because by posting this comment I am contributing to the issue.
based
I wish more people instantly downvoted worthless shit comments like "based"...
Maybe one day.
You literally just repeated my exact point, but left out "to see"
You want it, upvote it; you don't, downvotes it. Are we actually just fighting for the sake of fighting? I thought this wasn't Reddit.
Not arguing, I'm just shit posting
The honeymoon phase for Lemmy is over. No one cares anymore about someone expressing themselves (I still do--this is based on my observations).
If it's garbage then I'll downvote it and maybe block the user if they continue to post garbage in the future.
Yes it's effort, but is it constructive?
Most of the instances have disabled downvoges
Wow that's so lame.
Some have sure, most I doubt. The largest instance certainly hasn't.
This one allows them!
I know one of them. It's called youtube
Depends on how you value constructiveness
Yeah that constructiveness is purely subjective. Well it's constructive based on my own personal point of view. And it might not align with other people.
And that's exactly the purpose that voting serves!
Fair
Up vote = I agree
Down vote = I disagree
Reported = I super disagree
And anyone who says that they don't do this is a bloody liar.
I don't report things I disagree with, but I type long responses and usually delete before sending so ha! That will show them.
I'll say it and I'm not a liar.
Upvote= needs to be seen more. (I could disagree strongly but feel others should see it. )
I'll downvote propagation of memes I don't like.
For me is
I agree: upvote
I disagree: nothing or maybe response
I think they rare stupid or a troll: downvote and block.
I'm fed up with something and it keeps popping up: mass downvotes.
Removed = I did not like it :(
I'm pretty sure the intent when upvotes and downvotes were created was to use them in regards to relevance. Is the topic about ducks and someone is going off about jeeps? Downvote. Is the community about posting DIY peanut butter but someone keeps posting Skippy™? Downvote.
It shouldn't have anything to do with agreeing, effort, or anything like that. Just a way to keep the topic/community on track.
disagree. downvote.
I wholeheartedly agree with that. Also earlier when the dude was posting racist memes and everyone downvoted, I liked that usage.
This is due to the fact that racist memes are never relevant, automatic downvote!
Isn't that what was specified in the original reddiquette? Downvote to maintain quality, but not to disagree?
This is silly though, isn't it? Most people think most things that they disagree with are low quality by nature of being something they disagree with.
Whatever was intended for them, IMO upvotes and downvotes work because everyone just uses them however they want, and the sum total of everyone doing that averages out to a somewhat passable quality sorting system. Trying to tell people how to use their upvotes and downvotes is just yelling into the wind.
Yes, that's more than likely where I first learned about it.
I'm kinda glad we downvote the things we disagree with. Whether on topic or not, shit opinions don't deserve to be displayed with the same prominence as reasonable opinions.
And that's how a community become an echo chamber. Also assuming any opinion you agree with is reasonable and those you disagree with is shitty is silly...
Intent is irrelevant. Humans don't work that way and will continue to downvote what they don't like/agree with and upvote what they do like/agree with. Creating a system that ignores how people work and asking them to please use it how you want will never work.
Everyone should just embrace how it's actually used and move on.
I use it as a "you should read this" button. Even if it's offtopic, I'll upvote if it's funny or useful.
I like this explanation the best. Net vote count is a decent proxy for whether something is worth reading.
the reason I upvote a post can differ. sometimes it'll be because I agree with it, sometimes it'll be because I want more people to see it and interact with it.
My favourite type of person.
This isn't Reddit, there's no account-wide tracking of special Internet points to worry about.
It's about scoring to help sorting through content that's relevant, not a competition for points.
Yeah, that was my point.
Yeah but if someone gets points, they're more likely to post again.
And why would you encourage that if you dont want t the stuff they post?
Only if they are have no self esteem and need validation from strangers, upvotes are mostly fluff, downvotes when not abused are the better way of doing things
Someone says the earth is flat.. downvote, someone says I wonder why they think like that let’s try and understand why they think like that doesn't deserve a downvote, but with the current online echo chambers on both sides these are how downvotes are used
Nah, getting a dopamine hit is the standard human reaction to getting approval, and upvotes are basically distilled approval. You can pretend you are "tough" and don't care about "validation from strangers" but normal people get a sense of satisfaction and a desire to repeat it when they post something online that is well received.
Hell, that emotional reaction is the entire motivating factor that keeps every social media site full of fresh content. People want to be liked.
Yeah you are right I’m not immune to our biological hardwiring it’s not a me being tough thing however, not everyone is equally affected by it.
I don’t have social media as I don’t see value in it, also if my comments get downvoted to shit or upvoted I don’t really care because these things aren’t real life to me
Even in real life if someone praises me for doing a good job it’s a nice thing to do for sure but I don’t actually care about getting praise especially from strangers, if it’s someone I know then sure
Sure, everyone is variable and your personal experience is valid. It isn't very different from mine, tbh (also lemmy is social media so...)
I just took exception to the "(people are motivated by upvotes) ...only if they have no self esteem and need validation from strangers" part. Many people are motivated by upvotes, but there isn't anything necessarily wrong with that, and it certainly doesn't mean they have low self esteem or anything. It just felt rude.
Well. The points are there in the backend, right? I guess you are saying we just shouldn't worry about them.
I liked being able to look at someone's comment history and karma score to determine if they were a troll. Also liked how many subreddits wouldn't let you post until you had a bit of positive karma in the sub.
I just want to encourage to post and keep posting.
Yes, there is. You have 705 post score and 565 comment score.
Upvote = I laughed. That's what I came for. To many occasions nowadays where a post's main purpose is something other than making me laugh. Y'all need to entertain me better.
I upvote signal and downvote noise. Novelty is good whether I agree with it or not, redundancy is bad.
Spot on. Though the website deals with that much more gracefully than the apps
If everything is upvoted then doesn't that kind of defeat the point? Isn't the point of voting to raise the good stuff to the top? So I don't have to browse furry porn to see some news highlights or shitposts.
You mean you don't have to browse news highlights or shitposts to see furry porn
You can not upvote stuff you don't feel is particularly tailored for you
This man's playing both sides so always ends up on top.
I'm selfish, I created a bunch of communities I want to see become successful enough that I can hand off to other people to moderate. That requires me trying to create an environment where people are comfortable posting.
Sometimes I see memes I don't agree with, but I'll still upvote if they're funny. If you can't laugh at yourself every now and then, you're probably not a secure person
We don't need posts that are like, Facebook quality
Redditors want to make rules now, huh?
Put it like this, there's a reason YouTube removed dislikes, because they need to keep seeing new channels. So even if the old popular channels die, they'll have newer channels to replace them. That starts with making toxic disliking redundant. Don't for a second think there's no place for dislikes, but as a "I don't like you" or "I disagree", it's counter productive.
Yes, some people do misuse down voting, but it's absolutely worth it in my mind. It prevents bigotry from both being shown highly and also makes it clear that bigotry isn't acceptable. How do you think someone feels when they see a bigoted comment and it's in the positives. I'll answer that question cause I've seen it all the time: it's depressing as fuck. It still sucks to see bigoted comments at all, but at least when they're downvoted to hell, it feels better. It feels nice to know that the bigotry isn't accepted by others and that the bigot is in the minority.
Similar for general misinformation, scams, etc. It'd be nice if bad comments could just get removed before you see them, but that will never be perfect. Even well moderated communities still have delays before moderators see reports and most people won't take the time to report either.
Why should we care what motivates people to upvote or downvote?
I only upvote comments if the person posted something I was going to post myself. Saves me time. If I think the post itself is cool I upvote the post.
I frequently upvote amd comment here as a means of contribution because we need to make Lemmy bigger and pull in users.
Has anyone made a Simpsons shitpost thing I can join? That's pretty much all I miss from reddit. That and Slay by Comment
Actually never thought of it this way before, but that may have also been the point the way reddit works changed
I agree!
Fine. Here's my upvote. 😅
Thank you, but this was actually inspired by a post I saw where someone said something disagreeable to most, but I was just grateful they tried. Especially with how slow yesterday was.
Get off your high fucking horse. Upvotes are for content you want to see, downvotes are for content you don't. Can we stop pretending there's some bullshit morality attached or that they're for anything other than base popularity?
This isn't right either, upvotes are for whatever I want and downvotes are for whatever I want. Ima fucking downvoted myself now after I post this comment
I'm downvoting you now because I agree with you
And I'm upvoting you because while I completely disagree with your comment, I'm in gratitude of your effort and we will always need new comments.
I'm upvoting you because I respect your opinion, but disagree, because commenting for the sake of commenting reduces the overall quality of a thread and downvote myself, because by posting this comment I am contributing to the issue.
based
I wish more people instantly downvoted worthless shit comments like "based"...
Maybe one day.
You literally just repeated my exact point, but left out "to see"
You want it, upvote it; you don't, downvotes it. Are we actually just fighting for the sake of fighting? I thought this wasn't Reddit.
Not arguing, I'm just shit posting
The honeymoon phase for Lemmy is over. No one cares anymore about someone expressing themselves (I still do--this is based on my observations).
What have you contributed?
Someone didn't have their Weetabix
If it's garbage then I'll downvote it and maybe block the user if they continue to post garbage in the future.
Yes it's effort, but is it constructive?
Most of the instances have disabled downvoges
Wow that's so lame.
Some have sure, most I doubt. The largest instance certainly hasn't.
This one allows them!
I know one of them. It's called youtube
Depends on how you value constructiveness
Yeah that constructiveness is purely subjective. Well it's constructive based on my own personal point of view. And it might not align with other people.
And that's exactly the purpose that voting serves!
Fair
Up vote = I agree
Down vote = I disagree
Reported = I super disagree
And anyone who says that they don't do this is a bloody liar.
I don't report things I disagree with, but I type long responses and usually delete before sending so ha! That will show them.
I'll say it and I'm not a liar.
Upvote= needs to be seen more. (I could disagree strongly but feel others should see it. )
I'll downvote propagation of memes I don't like.
For me is
I agree: upvote
I disagree: nothing or maybe response
I think they rare stupid or a troll: downvote and block.
I'm fed up with something and it keeps popping up: mass downvotes.
Removed = I did not like it :(
I'm pretty sure the intent when upvotes and downvotes were created was to use them in regards to relevance. Is the topic about ducks and someone is going off about jeeps? Downvote. Is the community about posting DIY peanut butter but someone keeps posting Skippy™? Downvote.
It shouldn't have anything to do with agreeing, effort, or anything like that. Just a way to keep the topic/community on track.
disagree. downvote.
I wholeheartedly agree with that. Also earlier when the dude was posting racist memes and everyone downvoted, I liked that usage.
This is due to the fact that racist memes are never relevant, automatic downvote!
Isn't that what was specified in the original reddiquette? Downvote to maintain quality, but not to disagree?
This is silly though, isn't it? Most people think most things that they disagree with are low quality by nature of being something they disagree with.
Whatever was intended for them, IMO upvotes and downvotes work because everyone just uses them however they want, and the sum total of everyone doing that averages out to a somewhat passable quality sorting system. Trying to tell people how to use their upvotes and downvotes is just yelling into the wind.
Yes, that's more than likely where I first learned about it.
I'm kinda glad we downvote the things we disagree with. Whether on topic or not, shit opinions don't deserve to be displayed with the same prominence as reasonable opinions.
And that's how a community become an echo chamber. Also assuming any opinion you agree with is reasonable and those you disagree with is shitty is silly...
Intent is irrelevant. Humans don't work that way and will continue to downvote what they don't like/agree with and upvote what they do like/agree with. Creating a system that ignores how people work and asking them to please use it how you want will never work.
Everyone should just embrace how it's actually used and move on.
I use it as a "you should read this" button. Even if it's offtopic, I'll upvote if it's funny or useful.
I like this explanation the best. Net vote count is a decent proxy for whether something is worth reading.
the reason I upvote a post can differ. sometimes it'll be because I agree with it, sometimes it'll be because I want more people to see it and interact with it.
My favourite type of person.
This isn't Reddit, there's no account-wide tracking of special Internet points to worry about.
It's about scoring to help sorting through content that's relevant, not a competition for points.
Yeah, that was my point.
Yeah but if someone gets points, they're more likely to post again.
And why would you encourage that if you dont want t the stuff they post?
Only if they are have no self esteem and need validation from strangers, upvotes are mostly fluff, downvotes when not abused are the better way of doing things
Someone says the earth is flat.. downvote, someone says I wonder why they think like that let’s try and understand why they think like that doesn't deserve a downvote, but with the current online echo chambers on both sides these are how downvotes are used
Nah, getting a dopamine hit is the standard human reaction to getting approval, and upvotes are basically distilled approval. You can pretend you are "tough" and don't care about "validation from strangers" but normal people get a sense of satisfaction and a desire to repeat it when they post something online that is well received.
Hell, that emotional reaction is the entire motivating factor that keeps every social media site full of fresh content. People want to be liked.
Yeah you are right I’m not immune to our biological hardwiring it’s not a me being tough thing however, not everyone is equally affected by it.
I don’t have social media as I don’t see value in it, also if my comments get downvoted to shit or upvoted I don’t really care because these things aren’t real life to me
Even in real life if someone praises me for doing a good job it’s a nice thing to do for sure but I don’t actually care about getting praise especially from strangers, if it’s someone I know then sure
Sure, everyone is variable and your personal experience is valid. It isn't very different from mine, tbh (also lemmy is social media so...)
I just took exception to the "(people are motivated by upvotes) ...only if they have no self esteem and need validation from strangers" part. Many people are motivated by upvotes, but there isn't anything necessarily wrong with that, and it certainly doesn't mean they have low self esteem or anything. It just felt rude.
Well. The points are there in the backend, right? I guess you are saying we just shouldn't worry about them.
I liked being able to look at someone's comment history and karma score to determine if they were a troll. Also liked how many subreddits wouldn't let you post until you had a bit of positive karma in the sub.
I just want to encourage to post and keep posting.
Yes, there is. You have 705 post score and 565 comment score.
Upvote = I laughed. That's what I came for. To many occasions nowadays where a post's main purpose is something other than making me laugh. Y'all need to entertain me better.
I upvote signal and downvote noise. Novelty is good whether I agree with it or not, redundancy is bad.
Spot on. Though the website deals with that much more gracefully than the apps
If everything is upvoted then doesn't that kind of defeat the point? Isn't the point of voting to raise the good stuff to the top? So I don't have to browse furry porn to see some news highlights or shitposts.
You mean you don't have to browse news highlights or shitposts to see furry porn
You can not upvote stuff you don't feel is particularly tailored for you
This man's playing both sides so always ends up on top.
I'm selfish, I created a bunch of communities I want to see become successful enough that I can hand off to other people to moderate. That requires me trying to create an environment where people are comfortable posting.
Sometimes I see memes I don't agree with, but I'll still upvote if they're funny. If you can't laugh at yourself every now and then, you're probably not a secure person
We don't need posts that are like, Facebook quality
Redditors want to make rules now, huh?
Put it like this, there's a reason YouTube removed dislikes, because they need to keep seeing new channels. So even if the old popular channels die, they'll have newer channels to replace them. That starts with making toxic disliking redundant. Don't for a second think there's no place for dislikes, but as a "I don't like you" or "I disagree", it's counter productive.
Yes, some people do misuse down voting, but it's absolutely worth it in my mind. It prevents bigotry from both being shown highly and also makes it clear that bigotry isn't acceptable. How do you think someone feels when they see a bigoted comment and it's in the positives. I'll answer that question cause I've seen it all the time: it's depressing as fuck. It still sucks to see bigoted comments at all, but at least when they're downvoted to hell, it feels better. It feels nice to know that the bigotry isn't accepted by others and that the bigot is in the minority.
Similar for general misinformation, scams, etc. It'd be nice if bad comments could just get removed before you see them, but that will never be perfect. Even well moderated communities still have delays before moderators see reports and most people won't take the time to report either.
Why should we care what motivates people to upvote or downvote?
I only upvote comments if the person posted something I was going to post myself. Saves me time. If I think the post itself is cool I upvote the post.
I frequently upvote amd comment here as a means of contribution because we need to make Lemmy bigger and pull in users.
Has anyone made a Simpsons shitpost thing I can join? That's pretty much all I miss from reddit. That and Slay by Comment
!simpsonsshitposting@sh.itjust.works
Actually never thought of it this way before, but that may have also been the point the way reddit works changed
I agree!
Fine. Here's my upvote. 😅
Thank you, but this was actually inspired by a post I saw where someone said something disagreeable to most, but I was just grateful they tried. Especially with how slow yesterday was.