I'm not sure being able to get away with breaking laws much more easily than most really makes one "lawful"
You know how in Skyrim if a guard catches you breaking the law, you can just give him gold and he’ll fuck off and let you keep stealing?
It’s lawful like that.
So in other words, neutral evil. He'll exploit the law to further his selfish goals like the rest of them, but he also has zero hesitation to ignore the law when that suits him better, which precludes any "lawful" alignment.
The propensity to prioritize self over many many others when it would not be any real loss to do so other than a line on a graph..that tips it from neutral into full (technically) lawful evil IMO, but severe moral evil. If you could do good but enrich yourself at someone else’s expense instead, that’s premeditation and a qualifier for crimes just sayin
I'm not sure that you're following what I'm trying to say.
On the "the law is very important" to "it's very important to oppose the law" scale, his sometimes but not always illegal ways of enriching himself puts him somewhere in the middle and the fact that he literally doesn't care whether it's legal or illegal as long as it even POTENTIALLY benefits him or just the perception of him puts a line under that.
But yeah, we're agreed that he's extremely far to the malevolent/selfish end of the benevolent/kind to malevolent/selfish scale.
Musk and Trump are chaotic evil.
Or possibly neutral evil.
Chaotic feels more appropriate, since they're only really predictable if you try and think of the absolute dumbest possible thing they could say or do at any given moment.
Hey. Trump probably isn't really a billionaire and has managed to get charged for crimes even though his former job made him legally above the law. I don't think lawful evil is the correct alignment.
More like chaotic moron
Definitely Chaotic Evil, have you ever read his 3am rage tweets?
Nah, he's textbook neutral evil. He'll sometimes break the law to his advantage and sometimes exploit the law to his advantage. He doesn't give a fuck either way.
You think these folks are lawful evil? Trump has 90 some indictments against him.
He's definitely not lawful, but I'm also not sure he belongs on a billionaire chart.
Lawful != Following the law of the land
Lawful means your justification for your actions is within the bounds of a strict personal code or creed.
Yeah, and Trump doesn’t seem to have one of those either. But I chalk that up to the brain worms more than anything else.
He has a creed: loyalty to himself. He talks about it all the time like he's some mafia.
Obligatory: 'lawful' alignment doesn't necessarily entail not committing crimes, only adherence to some sort of code.
But yes, Trump doesn't do that, either.
Yea gonna go ahead and say at least 6 of these scumbags are unlawful evils.
Lawful implies that they respect the laws...
Maybe in this case Lawful implies that they buy the laws?
it implies they are heavily involved in writing the laws
That's only if the laws mattered for them.
Actually, I'm pretty sure Trump, being the eternal narcissist who thinks of himself being above the rules as a given, would be Neutral Evil. He wants to assert his selfish will on society IN SPITE OF the law as often as by USING the law.
The others are accurate, though.
Elon is definitely Chaotic Evil now.
Nah, I'm pretty sure that he's still lawful evil. Just because the rules are getting more nonsensical and arbitrary doesn't mean that he's no longer committing evil using rules and regulations like a true lawful evil villain.
I don't know if you're one of them, but a lot of people think that chaotic evil is inherently more evil than neutral or lawful evil. It's not. It's just a different flavor of malevolence 🤷
Just because the rules are getting more nonsensical and arbitrary doesn’t mean that he’s no longer committing evil using rules and regulations like a true lawful evil villain.
This right here, plus the massive influence they have on creating laws (or making sure some never get passed) in the first place.
The deluge of court cases against him, ranging from wage theft and lying to the market, to releasing an alpha level self driving car on the streets, show he doesn't give a fuck about the laws - some of his edgelord reactions even indicate he has a pathological contempt for the law.
And that's leaving aside the fact that he's not actually a billionaire.
Does "Lawful" apply here when they're buying politicians to change those laws for them?
Lawful doesn't necessarily mean following the laws of a state, but adherence to order and hierarchy. Buying politicians to bureaucratically stack the deck in one's favor is compatible with lawful evil, for someone upholding a hierarchy in which they're (supposed to be) on top.
If it's more driven by greed than ideology, it's probably more neutral evil.
Nah. Some of those rat fucks are straight chaotic evil. Lawful usually means they have a consistent set of ideals they follow. Rules they won't break and such. Some, like Trump and musk, would gladly break any rule they've previously set to get just a bit further ahead than others.
Well yeah, that's their rule. "Fuck y'all" and "Anything to get me ahead".
They're lawful only because they write the laws.
Musk was bald but too vain to wear it well.
Awful* Evil
I dunno, I think Elon leans Chaotic.
Chaotic stupid. Definitely a murderhobo if I ever saw one
Elon for the last time you can't name all of your characters "X"!
But I want them to know I'm gonna GIVE IT TO YAAAAAA
Chaotic stupid evil.
Implied
Might be switching Trump to unlawful evil in a few months here.also might be dropping him from the list entirely
Bald men unite!
US bald guys gotta stick together.
Bald evil
Are you still a billionaire if there's a minus sign in front of your net worth?
I like how they are all still 100% appropriate to their positions in a proper alignment chart.
Except Elon, he definitely seems to have a dark undertone under all the bullshit.
Trump and Musk are chaotic evil
I'd actually place Trump as Chaotic Neutral with tendencies toward evil.
How can he be neutral?
too stupid to intentionally do evil
He's a perfect public figure for some real evil people. The way he stood by that table, full of big macs, fries and coke... I think this is the proudest moment of his presidency.
For him, that is a legit dinner, and a good one at that. If he perceives the world in a similar way, he may really not really realize what kind of damage his antics cause. The damage happens in the real world, a world he seldom sets his eyes upon.
bald (lawful evil)
Why tf are you even including a kardashian?? Like they change world policy
The idea that one of the most famous people/families on the planet doesn't have influence on, at the very least, public opinion, which then goes on to influence policy, is ridiculous.
You give them way too much credit
I was wondering who that was. Looks like a chick who auditioned for a green ajah in the WoT series but didn't make the cut.
Yeah, bald? Try just plain evil
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I'm not sure being able to get away with breaking laws much more easily than most really makes one "lawful"
You know how in Skyrim if a guard catches you breaking the law, you can just give him gold and he’ll fuck off and let you keep stealing?
It’s lawful like that.
So in other words, neutral evil. He'll exploit the law to further his selfish goals like the rest of them, but he also has zero hesitation to ignore the law when that suits him better, which precludes any "lawful" alignment.
The propensity to prioritize self over many many others when it would not be any real loss to do so other than a line on a graph..that tips it from neutral into full (technically) lawful evil IMO, but severe moral evil. If you could do good but enrich yourself at someone else’s expense instead, that’s premeditation and a qualifier for crimes just sayin
I'm not sure that you're following what I'm trying to say.
On the "the law is very important" to "it's very important to oppose the law" scale, his sometimes but not always illegal ways of enriching himself puts him somewhere in the middle and the fact that he literally doesn't care whether it's legal or illegal as long as it even POTENTIALLY benefits him or just the perception of him puts a line under that.
But yeah, we're agreed that he's extremely far to the malevolent/selfish end of the benevolent/kind to malevolent/selfish scale.
Musk and Trump are chaotic evil.
Or possibly neutral evil.
Chaotic feels more appropriate, since they're only really predictable if you try and think of the absolute dumbest possible thing they could say or do at any given moment.
Hey. Trump probably isn't really a billionaire and has managed to get charged for crimes even though his former job made him legally above the law. I don't think lawful evil is the correct alignment.
More like chaotic moron
Definitely Chaotic Evil, have you ever read his 3am rage tweets?
Nah, he's textbook neutral evil. He'll sometimes break the law to his advantage and sometimes exploit the law to his advantage. He doesn't give a fuck either way.
You think these folks are lawful evil? Trump has 90 some indictments against him.
He's definitely not lawful, but I'm also not sure he belongs on a billionaire chart.
Lawful != Following the law of the land Lawful means your justification for your actions is within the bounds of a strict personal code or creed.
Yeah, and Trump doesn’t seem to have one of those either. But I chalk that up to the brain worms more than anything else.
He has a creed: loyalty to himself. He talks about it all the time like he's some mafia.
Obligatory: 'lawful' alignment doesn't necessarily entail not committing crimes, only adherence to some sort of code.
But yes, Trump doesn't do that, either.
Yea gonna go ahead and say at least 6 of these scumbags are unlawful evils.
Lawful implies that they respect the laws...
Maybe in this case Lawful implies that they buy the laws?
it implies they are heavily involved in writing the laws
That's only if the laws mattered for them.
Actually, I'm pretty sure Trump, being the eternal narcissist who thinks of himself being above the rules as a given, would be Neutral Evil. He wants to assert his selfish will on society IN SPITE OF the law as often as by USING the law.
The others are accurate, though.
Elon is definitely Chaotic Evil now.
Nah, I'm pretty sure that he's still lawful evil. Just because the rules are getting more nonsensical and arbitrary doesn't mean that he's no longer committing evil using rules and regulations like a true lawful evil villain.
I don't know if you're one of them, but a lot of people think that chaotic evil is inherently more evil than neutral or lawful evil. It's not. It's just a different flavor of malevolence 🤷
This right here, plus the massive influence they have on creating laws (or making sure some never get passed) in the first place.
The deluge of court cases against him, ranging from wage theft and lying to the market, to releasing an alpha level self driving car on the streets, show he doesn't give a fuck about the laws - some of his edgelord reactions even indicate he has a pathological contempt for the law.
And that's leaving aside the fact that he's not actually a billionaire.
Trumpy is only is a billionaire in his dreams
Trump is a billionaire?
If you only use his own words as a source, yes.
Does "Lawful" apply here when they're buying politicians to change those laws for them?
Lawful doesn't necessarily mean following the laws of a state, but adherence to order and hierarchy. Buying politicians to bureaucratically stack the deck in one's favor is compatible with lawful evil, for someone upholding a hierarchy in which they're (supposed to be) on top.
If it's more driven by greed than ideology, it's probably more neutral evil.
Nah. Some of those rat fucks are straight chaotic evil. Lawful usually means they have a consistent set of ideals they follow. Rules they won't break and such. Some, like Trump and musk, would gladly break any rule they've previously set to get just a bit further ahead than others.
Well yeah, that's their rule. "Fuck y'all" and "Anything to get me ahead".
They're lawful only because they write the laws.
Musk was bald but too vain to wear it well.
Awful* Evil
I dunno, I think Elon leans Chaotic.
Chaotic stupid. Definitely a murderhobo if I ever saw one
Elon for the last time you can't name all of your characters "X"!
But I want them to know I'm gonna GIVE IT TO YAAAAAA
Chaotic stupid evil.
Implied
Might be switching Trump to unlawful evil in a few months here.also might be dropping him from the list entirely
Bald men unite!
US bald guys gotta stick together.
Bald evil
Are you still a billionaire if there's a minus sign in front of your net worth?
I like how they are all still 100% appropriate to their positions in a proper alignment chart.
Except Elon, he definitely seems to have a dark undertone under all the bullshit.
Trump and Musk are chaotic evil
I'd actually place Trump as Chaotic Neutral with tendencies toward evil.
How can he be neutral?
too stupid to intentionally do evil
He's a perfect public figure for some real evil people. The way he stood by that table, full of big macs, fries and coke... I think this is the proudest moment of his presidency.
For him, that is a legit dinner, and a good one at that. If he perceives the world in a similar way, he may really not really realize what kind of damage his antics cause. The damage happens in the real world, a world he seldom sets his eyes upon.
bald (lawful evil)
Why tf are you even including a kardashian?? Like they change world policy
The idea that one of the most famous people/families on the planet doesn't have influence on, at the very least, public opinion, which then goes on to influence policy, is ridiculous.
You give them way too much credit
I was wondering who that was. Looks like a chick who auditioned for a green ajah in the WoT series but didn't make the cut.
Yeah, bald? Try just plain evil
You think I ain't worth a dollar, but I feel like a millionaire.
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