At risk? They are actively experiencing a genocide
I think they mean "at risk of completing full genocide", sadly enough.
"it's not technically a genocide, if it's still in progress"
The world really hasn't paid attention to this particular conflict, until now.
The genocide deniers: acting like an angry drill instructor saying "zero, zero, zero, no partial credit for incomplete genocides" ....
Ohh i have someone used that on me. Funny stuff.
UN protocols demands being careful when using certain terms when referring to a given event before a proper resolution or investigation has been carried out. If you follow the news, you will notice that they warn about obviously blatant war crimes as "might be a war crime". What's noticeable isn't that they're following their own protocols, but that they're bringing the war crimes to everyone's attention.
Gotta put the ultra orthodox settlers somewhere. Netanyahu thinks it's free land
A land with no people, for a people with no land. Some assembly required
The Israeli mission to the U.N. in Geneva called the comments "deplorable and deeply concerning" and blamed Hamas for civilian deaths.
(Insert "why would they do this" meme here.)
Hamas is evil, yes, but that doesn't prevent the Israeli government from also being evil.
Are you supporting terrorism?
Supporting terrorism by...condemning Hamas and Israel?
Are you drunk? Where did I support anything except not killing civilians?
A common thing that seems to be going around lately is people claiming that any condemnation of Israel is support for Hamas
Edit: Funnily enough though I see way less of the opposite. It's almost as if those people are poisoning the well for discussion on the matter.
I also see people saying that condemning Israel's actions is antisemitism but I've been seeing less and less of that lately
It's a rhetorical tool. It's not new. I've been familiar with it ever since I was cognizant of global news. Fascist governments like to conflate their populations with their ideology to make criticisms difficult.
If the facts are in your favor, you argue the facts
If morality is in your favor you argue morality
If historical precedent is in your favor, you argue historical precedent
And if nothing else, you argue about arguing. This is where the "if you're not with me you're against me " accusations of antisemitism exist.. from my perspective. It's a bullying rhetorical tactic. When you hear this, it means the other sides already conceding they can't defend themselves, and they're just relying on rhetoric to shut you up so that they can get their message out there.
I don't blame people for using all the rhetorical tools available to them, I am sad that a lot of people don't have the proper critical thinking skills to deal with empty rhetoric. That makes me sad.
This parody account isn't funny.
It's clear and all reasonable people agree, Israel must cease their ethnic cleansing.
You selected very good word in your description. I will steal these.
What ethnicity are you talking about?
The Palestinian people
Palestinian is not an ethnicity, it's just where you live, like Californian, or New-Yorker.
The ethnicity would be Arabs.
Then I'm sure other Arab countries would gladly take these people into their countries, since they are the same ethnicity, after all. What? They don't? They see them as a different ethnicity and don't want a(nother) provocative minority in their country?
I mean, ethnicity isn't really a qualification for citizenship. And all countries with an ethnic majority aren't really obligated to take in people of the same ethnicity. The only country I've heard of with such a policy is weirdly enough Israel itself. The other arab countries should take Palestinians in just as an act of morality but this "they don't because of their race" take is bizarre to me. Its very publicly because they don't want a sizable chunk of their population to have supported radical governments like hamas (even if most Palestinians don't and haven't had the chance to since what is it, 2006?).
Doesn't change the fact that they're mass murdering a bunch of innocent people in order to terrorize the indigenous people into compliance
Risk?!? The Palestinian's have been murdered for 50+ yrs in a genocidal occupation. Silly UN.
I think Reuters very much know it's genocide. They put the conciliatory language in there to try to mollify people from attacking them. The important thing is a mainstream, reputable, mostly objective news source is socializing the fact that this is a genocide. That's progress.
I guess hornet set the bar to hight so the Israeli gov will only stop when the finally kill more then 6 000 000 innocent civilians.
No for real what haunts me is that they are the descendents of those who survived such massacres over the history only to do it themselves when they finally gained power. (They is Israel'gov)
Edit: Hitler not hornet, wtf sorry guys
All humans are like that. Humans are inherently evil. The only way they do good is if they are forced to.
I can say with 110% certainty that I don't need to be forced to not commit genocide. Hell, I don't even need to be forced to commit individual murders. If murder was made legal tomorrow, I'm pretty sure that I wouldn't go on a killing spree because I'm no longer forced to not murder.
Talk about telling on yourself, if this is what you genuinely think is true for everyone
I can tell you absolutely that you are just lying to yourself. Under the right circumstances, and with the right propaganda, you too would have a knife to your neighbor's throat. So would all of us. No one is perfectly insusceptible to lies, manipulation, propaganda, or the right sales pitch geared specifically to your personality, beliefs and psychological profile. All of which is pretty easy for the ruling class to both access and use for their twisted plans.
You just don't want to admit it because you know deep down inside, it's true and that bothers you. Humble yourself.
Maybe you ought to humble yourself, given that you're the one stating that you know with absolute certainty how another individual that you know nothing about would or wouldn't act.
I never said I was immune to propoganda, lies, or manipulation - there are just simply no lies, manipulations, or propoganda that could make me abandon my morals to the extent of literal genocide. You could probably get me to hate a group you wanted me to hate, but I wouldn't murder my own worst enemy - so that's not going to get you anywhere.
I do know with certainty how you would or wouldn't act in a situation like that, because you are a human being and human behavior is both predictable and programmable. Which the ruling class does. All the time. Because it is the truth whether you like it or not.
You're welcome to go read a psychology or a marketing book and find out all about it if you want. Go read a history book and go learn how regular, upstanding people just like you and me out in Germany got schnookered into supporting the wholesale attempted genocide of the Jewish people. Go step outside and go to a protest here, in the U.S. today and as they and the counterprotesters come to blows, try to convince yourself you're anything more than a susceptible, imperfect, fallible human being like the rest of us.
If you say you know with certainty you'd never support or commit genocide, you are saying you're immune to propaganda, lies and manipulation. And misinformation while we're at it.
You are not a perfect person and you are just as capable of committing atrocities as the people you look down upon are.
Humble yourself. Grow up while you're at it.
Chill yo. Humans are inherently good. None of us want to have a bad interaction. So we try to win-win cuz that's the easiest and best outcome for both parties and for me. See?
No you're not. A cursory look at the world around us reveals that. Being told the truth might make you feel bad, but bad feelings doesn't make a statement any less true. And I certainly won't lower or debase myself by telling you what you want to hear.
You debased yourself hours and hours ago, just delete your account already.
either you're evil or you need to be humiliated
You really are just telling on yourself
I wonder if that's the lack of hope talking or the profound knowledge of yourself that motivates you to say that that
Telling on yourself
As are you, unless you're trying to convince me you're not a fallible human like the rest of us.
As are you
LOL
Laughing harder at you as you try to blow up that overly inflated ego of yours.
Everyday more people are dying, its a horror story.
as the global population increases over time, so do deaths. a small conflict like this may not even be statistically significant.
Mark my words, history will remember this. We can practically watch it live with social media and so on. Wars are different now, since Ukraine. So it hits closer home.
perhaps. many things seem to get lost in the noise of history.
Not this.
I dare you to go to a funeral home and say that to any mourners.
regrettably they're closed at this hour
"Risk" of genocide? Risk?
They need to update their fucking AI model.
The burning house is at risk of catching fire. The dead man is at risk of heart failure. This headline is at risk of being full of shit.
Allegedly.
The man being shot is currently allegedly bleeding to death.
There was a Hamas tunnel under the headline.
US: seen
UK: noted.
"My apprentice has learned well from us"
-US
What would you like the US to do in this situation?
Maybe donβt veto any attempt by the security council to impose a ceasefire.
Netanyahu is committing genocide in Gaza in much the same way that Milosovic did in Bosnia.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
GENEVA, Nov 2 (Reuters) - United Nations experts called on Thursday for a humanitarian ceasefire in Gaza, saying time was running out for Palestinian people there who find themselves at "grave risk of genocide".
Nearly four weeks of Israeli bombardment against the Gaza Strip in retaliation for deadly attacks by Hamas gunmen in southern Israel on Oct. 7 have killed more than 9,000 people, made up of a majority of women and children, health authorities in the Hamas-run enclave say.
"We remain convinced that the Palestinian people are at grave risk of genocide," the group of experts, made up of seven U.N. special rapporteurs, said in a statement.
Speaking to Reuters after the experts' statement was issued, one of its signatories said the people of Gaza had been deprived of the "the most basic elements for living."
"We are using the term risk of genocide because the process that is (underway) is absolutely indiscriminate, affecting, in this case, more than 2 million people," said Pedro Arrojo Agudo, Special Rapporteur on the human rights to safe drinking water and sanitation.
"The situation in Gaza has reached a catastrophic tipping point," the U.N. experts said, adding that Gazans had been left with scarce water, medicine, fuel and essential supplies while facing health hazards.
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Can we start calling Israel a NAZI state?
Hold up their speedy. Theyβre not there yet. It took the Nazis over 5 years to get to that connotation. Let the Israelis cook. /s
Well, Israel is doing this for many decades now
You got me there. Damn, you may be right.
I'd rather call them facists. A core component of nazism is it's antisemitism and that seems a touch ridiculous to call israel despite how unfriendly zionosts can be to anti/non zionosts jewish folk.
Aren't Arabs semitic people? If it's true it's true
Trudeau almost called for a ceasefire today, before remembering not to
Maybe a truce, a cessation of hostilities, armistice or day of tranquility?
What even is the purpose of a ceasefire? I don't even understand why the occupation government is against it, they could use it to their advantage. Agree to a ceasefire, give some time for people to desperately try to escape Gaza, allow some aid to the people remaining there, and when it's all over and people stop seeing you as the monsters you are, then you can continue your "war" and less people will care.
Afraid Hamas might use that time and aid? Well don't worry, your army is already getting wrecked on the ground, but it doesn't matter to you; you can continue wasting equipment, men, and oxygen for as long as you like, while Hamas cannot. Your army will take control of the area, and either get rid of everyone there or get kicked out a second time, either way, you have achieved your actual goals.
From an international perspective, calling for a ceasefire is reducing the window of forgiveness that Israel currently enjoys from the October 7th terrorist attack.
The more time that passes, the less tolerance global politicians have, for blatant all-out war crimes.
This isn't a secret, the Israeli government knows this, the Israeli military knows this, their doctrine documents acknowledge that they have a window of activity from any tragedy, international politicians know this, their allies know this, the Americans know this.
So every time an ally of theirs, calls for any delay, ceasefire combo humanitarian aid, they're trying to reduce that window, so there's less political damage control they have to conduct for their allies behavior.
escape where though? Egypt isnt going to let them in - Egypt has a lot of economic issues right now, they cant handle a bunch of refugees. maybe they could take a boat to Lebanon, Syria, or Turkey - Syria and Turkey are still struggling with the aftermath of that massive earthquake & are unlikely to be welcoming. Lebanon could accept them but there's not a lot going on there. where else then? Jordan maybe?
Exactly, not many will even be able to escape if they're worried about that, but they can still claim that they let people escape.
More empty calls for ceasefire with not a single plea for Hamas to so much as release the hostages.
They have asked already.
Ah yes, ask once nicely for hostage release, condemn Israel daily for not having a ceasefire.
A few hostages vs killing hundreds of children. Wonder why there is a discrepancy, also, what is a moral compas?
First: I completely agree the hostages should be released unconditionally.
Second: the calls for a ceasefire are for humanitarian reasons, they are not there to support Hamas. The civilians are dying regardless, That's what the global outrageous about. Israeli civilians, Palestinian civilians.. I don't want any civilians to die.
They were active negotiations going before Israel went all out in Gaza, and there were 4 hostages released.
Didn't Netanyahu say that hostages are not their top priority? And by bombing all those tunnels while perfectly well know that all the hostages are kept there is kind of a signal that he cares very little for the wellbeing of his own people.
I think relatives of those held in captivity are already quite discontent and pissed off with your war cabinet, aren't they?
That's 4 hostages out of 200. All 4 still have family being held hostage. They were released so you'd be able to say exactly that. Don't fall into Hamas's hands so readily.
The truth is that Israel didn't really try to release them. They just started the ground offensive and intensified the airstrikes and started bombing the tunnels the same where those hostages are believed to be.
So ELI5 how is helping the hostages? As this in my eyes is another proof that this war cabinet cares very little about them. And the relatives of those hostages are expressing their anger openly and dissatisfaction.
In an interview with the BBC, Goren describes his cousin as "an average guy, he's a civil engineer, he's got a wife, he's got three kids". His family is "sick with worry", Udi says.
But his biggest frustration is that he feels the families of hostages "just can't trust anyone".
"We don't trust our government, [we don't trust] that they're doing their best to bring them back. Obviously we don't trust Hamas," he explains, adding that they're "not getting any clear answers".
"I don't see in any way, in any way, how bombing Gaza to the ground is going to get my cousin back. I don't see in any kind of scenario, how this is getting him back alive sooner," Goren adds.
The truth is that Israel didn't really try to release them.
They literally did just that not 2 days ago. It's just an extremely difficult and dangerous job trying to rescue hostages in the massive network of terror tunnels Hamas has built.
Genuine question to all Palestinian sympathizers: don't you see how you encourage Hamas to bring even more kids to the active war zone with your comments and protests?
Are you suggesting that
that Hamas is importing kids from outside of Gaza into Gaza, or
There's parts of Gaza that aren't an active war zone that Gazan children can be brought from ?
No, that's your imagination at work. What they're saying is that Hamas makes sure there are at least 10 children in close vicinity to and leadership to use as shields.
It's more like "hey, that neighborhood full of families and shopkeepers has some gang members in it. Let's bomb it all." Hamas isn't "bringing in kids". They're resistance fighters who live in the same area, which is roughly the size of Los Angeles. And in the minds of Hamas, they're fighting for those children to have a right to that land in their future. To have a right to grow up free and unoppressed. Those children aren't "shields" and they weren't brought there. They were born there and are now being indiscriminately bombed as an excuse to make Hamas look bad. Where's Mossad? Where's Israeli special forces? Israel likes to talk a big game about their abilities, but in this conflict, "rain missiles from the sky and blame the victims for being in the way" seems to be their only tool.
You realize Israel even bombed evacuation routes, right? Told people "it's safe to leave this way" and then bombed the caravans leaving. You can't even leave without getting bombed, and you think they're just importing children in?
What are you smoking? I want some.
In this video by channel 4, they briefly mentioned the story of a wounded boy, who got the permission to get through the Rafah crossing. His Palestinian father didn't let him go, because the father himself didn't get such permission.
This is how they care about their children.
If the child did go through alone, what are the chances that family would ever see him again? Who would care for the child and advocate for his best interests away from his family? All communications have been shut down by Israel. There is no way for the family to know what happens to their children if they are taken away.
To me, as a father of two, there's no moral dilemma here. You get your kids out of the hell no matter what.
But I guess when you have 14 kids, the priorities are a bit different.
Would you get your kid out if you didn't know whether or not they would be adequately cared for? Would you get them out if it meant that you will probably never see them again and that they will be taken to another country speaking another language with no one there to look after them and no plan for how to take care of them after the medical treatment is done?
This would most likely be a permanent separation and the child would effectively, or maybe even literally become an orphan in a foreign country with nothing. Not their vital documents, not their family, not anything that would give them any hope of ever getting home. Getting your kid out in this situation means gambling your child's life on the good will of strangers and most likely losing them for good.
It is not unreasonable to demand to go with his child. Especially since he needs medical care as well.
Still better than staying in Gaza
Yes, let's victim blame the person being bombed and not the person launching the bombs. Hmmm. So all the school shootings in the US are just the children not running fast enough? I guess that's one way to fight childhood obesity, but damn....
You must feel very good about yourself blaming civilians for being murdered by Israelis.
I blame Hamas, and Hamas only.
According to felony-murder rule all responsibility for civilian casualties lays on Hamas. This rule might seem unfair to some, but in US it is used widely.
Genuine question, do you have access to multiple sources of news and the internet. Active war?!? You don't seem to know much about the conflict and the root cause do you?
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You're conflating Palestine, and Hamas. Which is a disservice to the civilians of the Palestine territories.
You're also making the assumption that the children are not currently in an active war zone, when the entire Gaza strip is a war zone.
Asking people to die quietly in a corner and not make too much of a fuss isn't feasible, and it's unfair to their humanity.
South of Gaza is slightly safer than North. The people who stayed in the North either made a conscious choice to protect Hamas with their bodies, or were forced to stay.
I don't ask people to die quietly, I think people must demand a humanitarian corridor to Egypt or another safe place.
Don't you see how your knee jerk defense of anything Israel does as encouraging them to do war crimes?
I swear, you lot would defend nukes if there was a 50/50 shot of getting a child of a hamas member.
Genuine question: do you actually think that anything that happens in this obscure part of the internet has any repercussion whatsoever in the real world?
Whatever happens in any part of the internet involves people, and people are part of the real world. So yes, it does influence the real world.
At risk? They are actively experiencing a genocide
I think they mean "at risk of completing full genocide", sadly enough.
"it's not technically a genocide, if it's still in progress"
The world really hasn't paid attention to this particular conflict, until now.
The genocide deniers: acting like an angry drill instructor saying "zero, zero, zero, no partial credit for incomplete genocides" ....
Ohh i have someone used that on me. Funny stuff.
UN protocols demands being careful when using certain terms when referring to a given event before a proper resolution or investigation has been carried out. If you follow the news, you will notice that they warn about obviously blatant war crimes as "might be a war crime". What's noticeable isn't that they're following their own protocols, but that they're bringing the war crimes to everyone's attention.
Gotta put the ultra orthodox settlers somewhere. Netanyahu thinks it's free land
A land with no people, for a people with no land. Some assembly required
(Insert "why would they do this" meme here.)
Hamas is evil, yes, but that doesn't prevent the Israeli government from also being evil.
Are you supporting terrorism?
Supporting terrorism by...condemning Hamas and Israel?
Are you drunk? Where did I support anything except not killing civilians?
A common thing that seems to be going around lately is people claiming that any condemnation of Israel is support for Hamas
Edit: Funnily enough though I see way less of the opposite. It's almost as if those people are poisoning the well for discussion on the matter.
I also see people saying that condemning Israel's actions is antisemitism but I've been seeing less and less of that lately
It's a rhetorical tool. It's not new. I've been familiar with it ever since I was cognizant of global news. Fascist governments like to conflate their populations with their ideology to make criticisms difficult.
If the facts are in your favor, you argue the facts
If morality is in your favor you argue morality
If historical precedent is in your favor, you argue historical precedent
And if nothing else, you argue about arguing. This is where the "if you're not with me you're against me " accusations of antisemitism exist.. from my perspective. It's a bullying rhetorical tactic. When you hear this, it means the other sides already conceding they can't defend themselves, and they're just relying on rhetoric to shut you up so that they can get their message out there.
I don't blame people for using all the rhetorical tools available to them, I am sad that a lot of people don't have the proper critical thinking skills to deal with empty rhetoric. That makes me sad.
This parody account isn't funny.
It's clear and all reasonable people agree, Israel must cease their ethnic cleansing.
You selected very good word in your description. I will steal these.
What ethnicity are you talking about?
The Palestinian people
Palestinian is not an ethnicity, it's just where you live, like Californian, or New-Yorker.
The ethnicity would be Arabs.
Then I'm sure other Arab countries would gladly take these people into their countries, since they are the same ethnicity, after all. What? They don't? They see them as a different ethnicity and don't want a(nother) provocative minority in their country?
I mean, ethnicity isn't really a qualification for citizenship. And all countries with an ethnic majority aren't really obligated to take in people of the same ethnicity. The only country I've heard of with such a policy is weirdly enough Israel itself. The other arab countries should take Palestinians in just as an act of morality but this "they don't because of their race" take is bizarre to me. Its very publicly because they don't want a sizable chunk of their population to have supported radical governments like hamas (even if most Palestinians don't and haven't had the chance to since what is it, 2006?).
Doesn't change the fact that they're mass murdering a bunch of innocent people in order to terrorize the indigenous people into compliance
Risk?!? The Palestinian's have been murdered for 50+ yrs in a genocidal occupation. Silly UN.
I think Reuters very much know it's genocide. They put the conciliatory language in there to try to mollify people from attacking them. The important thing is a mainstream, reputable, mostly objective news source is socializing the fact that this is a genocide. That's progress.
I guess hornet set the bar to hight so the Israeli gov will only stop when the finally kill more then 6 000 000 innocent civilians.
No for real what haunts me is that they are the descendents of those who survived such massacres over the history only to do it themselves when they finally gained power. (They is Israel'gov)
Edit: Hitler not hornet, wtf sorry guys
All humans are like that. Humans are inherently evil. The only way they do good is if they are forced to.
I can say with 110% certainty that I don't need to be forced to not commit genocide. Hell, I don't even need to be forced to commit individual murders. If murder was made legal tomorrow, I'm pretty sure that I wouldn't go on a killing spree because I'm no longer forced to not murder.
Talk about telling on yourself, if this is what you genuinely think is true for everyone
I can tell you absolutely that you are just lying to yourself. Under the right circumstances, and with the right propaganda, you too would have a knife to your neighbor's throat. So would all of us. No one is perfectly insusceptible to lies, manipulation, propaganda, or the right sales pitch geared specifically to your personality, beliefs and psychological profile. All of which is pretty easy for the ruling class to both access and use for their twisted plans.
You just don't want to admit it because you know deep down inside, it's true and that bothers you. Humble yourself.
Maybe you ought to humble yourself, given that you're the one stating that you know with absolute certainty how another individual that you know nothing about would or wouldn't act.
I never said I was immune to propoganda, lies, or manipulation - there are just simply no lies, manipulations, or propoganda that could make me abandon my morals to the extent of literal genocide. You could probably get me to hate a group you wanted me to hate, but I wouldn't murder my own worst enemy - so that's not going to get you anywhere.
I do know with certainty how you would or wouldn't act in a situation like that, because you are a human being and human behavior is both predictable and programmable. Which the ruling class does. All the time. Because it is the truth whether you like it or not.
You're welcome to go read a psychology or a marketing book and find out all about it if you want. Go read a history book and go learn how regular, upstanding people just like you and me out in Germany got schnookered into supporting the wholesale attempted genocide of the Jewish people. Go step outside and go to a protest here, in the U.S. today and as they and the counterprotesters come to blows, try to convince yourself you're anything more than a susceptible, imperfect, fallible human being like the rest of us.
If you say you know with certainty you'd never support or commit genocide, you are saying you're immune to propaganda, lies and manipulation. And misinformation while we're at it.
You are not a perfect person and you are just as capable of committing atrocities as the people you look down upon are.
Humble yourself. Grow up while you're at it.
Chill yo. Humans are inherently good. None of us want to have a bad interaction. So we try to win-win cuz that's the easiest and best outcome for both parties and for me. See?
No you're not. A cursory look at the world around us reveals that. Being told the truth might make you feel bad, but bad feelings doesn't make a statement any less true. And I certainly won't lower or debase myself by telling you what you want to hear.
You debased yourself hours and hours ago, just delete your account already.
You really are just telling on yourself
I wonder if that's the lack of hope talking or the profound knowledge of yourself that motivates you to say that that
Telling on yourself
As are you, unless you're trying to convince me you're not a fallible human like the rest of us.
LOL
Laughing harder at you as you try to blow up that overly inflated ego of yours.
You're the one fluffing me
Does this make UN anti-semitic?
Everyday more people are dying, its a horror story.
as the global population increases over time, so do deaths. a small conflict like this may not even be statistically significant.
Mark my words, history will remember this. We can practically watch it live with social media and so on. Wars are different now, since Ukraine. So it hits closer home.
perhaps. many things seem to get lost in the noise of history.
Not this.
I dare you to go to a funeral home and say that to any mourners.
regrettably they're closed at this hour
"Risk" of genocide? Risk?
They need to update their fucking AI model.
The burning house is at risk of catching fire. The dead man is at risk of heart failure. This headline is at risk of being full of shit.
Allegedly.
The man being shot is currently allegedly bleeding to death.
There was a Hamas tunnel under the headline.
US: seen
UK: noted.
"My apprentice has learned well from us"
-US
What would you like the US to do in this situation?
Maybe donβt veto any attempt by the security council to impose a ceasefire.
Netanyahu is committing genocide in Gaza in much the same way that Milosovic did in Bosnia.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
GENEVA, Nov 2 (Reuters) - United Nations experts called on Thursday for a humanitarian ceasefire in Gaza, saying time was running out for Palestinian people there who find themselves at "grave risk of genocide".
Nearly four weeks of Israeli bombardment against the Gaza Strip in retaliation for deadly attacks by Hamas gunmen in southern Israel on Oct. 7 have killed more than 9,000 people, made up of a majority of women and children, health authorities in the Hamas-run enclave say.
"We remain convinced that the Palestinian people are at grave risk of genocide," the group of experts, made up of seven U.N. special rapporteurs, said in a statement.
Speaking to Reuters after the experts' statement was issued, one of its signatories said the people of Gaza had been deprived of the "the most basic elements for living."
"We are using the term risk of genocide because the process that is (underway) is absolutely indiscriminate, affecting, in this case, more than 2 million people," said Pedro Arrojo Agudo, Special Rapporteur on the human rights to safe drinking water and sanitation.
"The situation in Gaza has reached a catastrophic tipping point," the U.N. experts said, adding that Gazans had been left with scarce water, medicine, fuel and essential supplies while facing health hazards.
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Can we start calling Israel a NAZI state?
Hold up their speedy. Theyβre not there yet. It took the Nazis over 5 years to get to that connotation. Let the Israelis cook. /s
Well, Israel is doing this for many decades now
You got me there. Damn, you may be right.
I'd rather call them facists. A core component of nazism is it's antisemitism and that seems a touch ridiculous to call israel despite how unfriendly zionosts can be to anti/non zionosts jewish folk.
Aren't Arabs semitic people? If it's true it's true
Trudeau almost called for a ceasefire today, before remembering not to
From https://twitter.com/imraansiddiqi/status/1720673548224921690
Maybe a truce, a cessation of hostilities, armistice or day of tranquility?
What even is the purpose of a ceasefire? I don't even understand why the occupation government is against it, they could use it to their advantage. Agree to a ceasefire, give some time for people to desperately try to escape Gaza, allow some aid to the people remaining there, and when it's all over and people stop seeing you as the monsters you are, then you can continue your "war" and less people will care.
Afraid Hamas might use that time and aid? Well don't worry, your army is already getting wrecked on the ground, but it doesn't matter to you; you can continue wasting equipment, men, and oxygen for as long as you like, while Hamas cannot. Your army will take control of the area, and either get rid of everyone there or get kicked out a second time, either way, you have achieved your actual goals.
From an international perspective, calling for a ceasefire is reducing the window of forgiveness that Israel currently enjoys from the October 7th terrorist attack.
The more time that passes, the less tolerance global politicians have, for blatant all-out war crimes.
This isn't a secret, the Israeli government knows this, the Israeli military knows this, their doctrine documents acknowledge that they have a window of activity from any tragedy, international politicians know this, their allies know this, the Americans know this.
So every time an ally of theirs, calls for any delay, ceasefire combo humanitarian aid, they're trying to reduce that window, so there's less political damage control they have to conduct for their allies behavior.
escape where though? Egypt isnt going to let them in - Egypt has a lot of economic issues right now, they cant handle a bunch of refugees. maybe they could take a boat to Lebanon, Syria, or Turkey - Syria and Turkey are still struggling with the aftermath of that massive earthquake & are unlikely to be welcoming. Lebanon could accept them but there's not a lot going on there. where else then? Jordan maybe?
Exactly, not many will even be able to escape if they're worried about that, but they can still claim that they let people escape.
More empty calls for ceasefire with not a single plea for Hamas to so much as release the hostages.
They have asked already.
Ah yes, ask once nicely for hostage release, condemn Israel daily for not having a ceasefire.
A few hostages vs killing hundreds of children. Wonder why there is a discrepancy, also, what is a moral compas?
First: I completely agree the hostages should be released unconditionally.
Second: the calls for a ceasefire are for humanitarian reasons, they are not there to support Hamas. The civilians are dying regardless, That's what the global outrageous about. Israeli civilians, Palestinian civilians.. I don't want any civilians to die.
They were active negotiations going before Israel went all out in Gaza, and there were 4 hostages released.
Didn't Netanyahu say that hostages are not their top priority? And by bombing all those tunnels while perfectly well know that all the hostages are kept there is kind of a signal that he cares very little for the wellbeing of his own people.
I think relatives of those held in captivity are already quite discontent and pissed off with your war cabinet, aren't they?
That's 4 hostages out of 200. All 4 still have family being held hostage. They were released so you'd be able to say exactly that. Don't fall into Hamas's hands so readily.
The truth is that Israel didn't really try to release them. They just started the ground offensive and intensified the airstrikes and started bombing the tunnels the same where those hostages are believed to be.
So ELI5 how is helping the hostages? As this in my eyes is another proof that this war cabinet cares very little about them. And the relatives of those hostages are expressing their anger openly and dissatisfaction.
But his biggest frustration is that he feels the families of hostages "just can't trust anyone".
"We don't trust our government, [we don't trust] that they're doing their best to bring them back. Obviously we don't trust Hamas," he explains, adding that they're "not getting any clear answers".
"I don't see in any way, in any way, how bombing Gaza to the ground is going to get my cousin back. I don't see in any kind of scenario, how this is getting him back alive sooner," Goren adds.
They literally did just that not 2 days ago. It's just an extremely difficult and dangerous job trying to rescue hostages in the massive network of terror tunnels Hamas has built.
Genuine question to all Palestinian sympathizers: don't you see how you encourage Hamas to bring even more kids to the active war zone with your comments and protests?
Are you suggesting that
No, that's your imagination at work. What they're saying is that Hamas makes sure there are at least 10 children in close vicinity to and leadership to use as shields.
It's more like "hey, that neighborhood full of families and shopkeepers has some gang members in it. Let's bomb it all." Hamas isn't "bringing in kids". They're resistance fighters who live in the same area, which is roughly the size of Los Angeles. And in the minds of Hamas, they're fighting for those children to have a right to that land in their future. To have a right to grow up free and unoppressed. Those children aren't "shields" and they weren't brought there. They were born there and are now being indiscriminately bombed as an excuse to make Hamas look bad. Where's Mossad? Where's Israeli special forces? Israel likes to talk a big game about their abilities, but in this conflict, "rain missiles from the sky and blame the victims for being in the way" seems to be their only tool.
You realize Israel even bombed evacuation routes, right? Told people "it's safe to leave this way" and then bombed the caravans leaving. You can't even leave without getting bombed, and you think they're just importing children in?
What are you smoking? I want some.
In this video by channel 4, they briefly mentioned the story of a wounded boy, who got the permission to get through the Rafah crossing. His Palestinian father didn't let him go, because the father himself didn't get such permission. This is how they care about their children.
If the child did go through alone, what are the chances that family would ever see him again? Who would care for the child and advocate for his best interests away from his family? All communications have been shut down by Israel. There is no way for the family to know what happens to their children if they are taken away.
To me, as a father of two, there's no moral dilemma here. You get your kids out of the hell no matter what.
But I guess when you have 14 kids, the priorities are a bit different.
Would you get your kid out if you didn't know whether or not they would be adequately cared for? Would you get them out if it meant that you will probably never see them again and that they will be taken to another country speaking another language with no one there to look after them and no plan for how to take care of them after the medical treatment is done?
This would most likely be a permanent separation and the child would effectively, or maybe even literally become an orphan in a foreign country with nothing. Not their vital documents, not their family, not anything that would give them any hope of ever getting home. Getting your kid out in this situation means gambling your child's life on the good will of strangers and most likely losing them for good.
It is not unreasonable to demand to go with his child. Especially since he needs medical care as well.
Still better than staying in Gaza
Yes, let's victim blame the person being bombed and not the person launching the bombs. Hmmm. So all the school shootings in the US are just the children not running fast enough? I guess that's one way to fight childhood obesity, but damn....
You must feel very good about yourself blaming civilians for being murdered by Israelis.
I blame Hamas, and Hamas only.
According to felony-murder rule all responsibility for civilian casualties lays on Hamas. This rule might seem unfair to some, but in US it is used widely.
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Genuine question, do you have access to multiple sources of news and the internet. Active war?!? You don't seem to know much about the conflict and the root cause do you?
Enlighten me
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Please don't bring in jewish currents! They're just a bunch of libtard antimarmite! /s
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You're conflating Palestine, and Hamas. Which is a disservice to the civilians of the Palestine territories.
You're also making the assumption that the children are not currently in an active war zone, when the entire Gaza strip is a war zone.
Asking people to die quietly in a corner and not make too much of a fuss isn't feasible, and it's unfair to their humanity.
South of Gaza is slightly safer than North. The people who stayed in the North either made a conscious choice to protect Hamas with their bodies, or were forced to stay.
I don't ask people to die quietly, I think people must demand a humanitarian corridor to Egypt or another safe place.
Don't you see how your knee jerk defense of anything Israel does as encouraging them to do war crimes?
I swear, you lot would defend nukes if there was a 50/50 shot of getting a child of a hamas member.
Genuine question: do you actually think that anything that happens in this obscure part of the internet has any repercussion whatsoever in the real world?
Whatever happens in any part of the internet involves people, and people are part of the real world. So yes, it does influence the real world.