If this is the pizza for 36 $ I feel pitty for humanity.
Someone, who probably works a shitty job that pays mostly for their rent, comes home way too tired and depressed to cook. Orders a pizza that looks absolutely underwhelming. For money that is equivalent for a month of food in another country.
You're forgetting the neutron star on the side
Like how I feel when someone puts the dollar sign after the number
Per DIN 5008 before and after the value is legitimate.
Modern problems, not sure if it's the original tweet image or they used AI to autocomplete the image....
it is, i was infuriated by the cropping situation and took 2 minutes of my time to visit the evil site to save the original picture in the reply :)
Your sacrifice will be remembered...tracked, cookied, and geotagged.
Ok thanks for the effort then!.
Not sure why people downvoted my comment tough anyway doesn't matter.
then dw bt it
What?
if you cant tell then dont worry about it
I saw Home Alone on TV during Christmas and the cheese pizza Kevin orders from Little Neroβs was $12 or $13. Iβm impressed and grateful that I can still get a pizza for that price sometimes like 35 years later. Cheaper if I go to Caesars and pick up
Their crazy bread is like crack to me I stg
It's still a better price for what you are getting, but somehow a large Little Caesars pizza is only as filling as like three or four slices from anywhere else. I can easily finish it in one sitting. But you can't complain about $5.55 for a whole pizza. And the "Hot-N-Ready!" signs have been making me giggle for 20 years.
We (loc: krautland) totally stopped ordering take-out. It gets less and less, worse and worse, cheaper and cheaper, but also more and more expensive. It's not worth it anymore. At all.
We may be just some cheap fucks (as many still do, even those with way less moneyz), but takeout is no viable alternative to cooking anymore.
Gustavo Gusto frozen pizza is better than at least 80% of delivery pizza anyway, so I just stock those.
Oh is it? Often seen, never tried. We will try next time!
Last time I ordered pizza it came out to $30. We make it at home now. Better quality anyway, besides one of my daughters really loves cooking it with me.
...and they're still asking for tips.
It all went downhill when they let the delivery people set the prices
...?
If you are culinary challenged like myself but would like to making pizza at home, here's some suggestions:
Frozen grocery store cheese pizza but fancied up by adding whatever topping you are in the mood for. An "Italian seasoning" spice adds a lot of flavor.
Instead of a traditional pizza dough opt for something simpler like French bread or pitas. Slather on sauce, cheese, toppings. This was my introduction to "cooking" when I was broke.
Pre-made pizza crust like Boboli which is nice but ups the cost. You can also buy uncooked dough though I've never gone this route. I tried making my own dough back when bread machines were a thing but I could never get the hand of it.
Robin Hood pizza flour. I'm sure there are other brands but this is what our mom would use to make pizza most weekends. Now that I'm thinking about I'll have to pick some up
I feel about the word "slather" the way a lot of people seem to feel about the word moist.
I really miss RES. I would tag people like you so I could always use the word slather whenever I saw you again.
Best possible use of RES, lol.
I would slather that tag next to your name.
Doesn't Lemmy have a built-in tag thingy? Or did I install some script that I'm forgetting about...
Not that I ever noticed. Right now I'm on my phone and I use connect. I'll look next time I'm at my computer
Let's wish someone is working on a Lemmy Enhancement Suite to give us that functionality again.
Or better: someone seeing missing RES functionality and turning it into feature requests, which get rolled out to everyone as Lemmy updates.
I hope whatever they are slathering is moist.
Should I change it to "spread"? because I'm sure that will make somebody uncomfortable
No, "spread" doesn't carry the same enthusiasm, vigor and volume of sauce that "slather" does..
You can make tortilla pizza.
Yes! We use mission low carb wraps (they seem to crisp up better) and spread tomato puree on top, then season it with garlic salt and Italian herbs, add clumps of grated cheese, and then toppings.
The trick is to preheat the oven to 400 with a cast iron in, and then spray with oil when you take it out ready to cook on (use gloves, it'll be hot). Carefully transfer the pizza to the hot pan, return to oven, and cook for 10 mins. Depending on the toppings, and if you like it a little more top crispy, switch the oven to broil at the 8 min mark for the last two mins.
My new obsession is a little smidge of grated brussel sprouts (don't knock it til you try it) with an oil spritz.
I'm probably going to try this, thanks for the write up.
Just yesterday I looked at the calorie count for my favorite frozen pizzas (Detroit Supreme, ~2400) and realized I need to cut it out entirely. This might soften the blow.
Yeah most pizzas run 300-400 cals a slice. If I really try to go easy on the cheese I can make a tortilla pizza for 500 cals.
I also make a wicked delicious lasagna without pasta sheets (sub for zucchini and kale layers). We designed it to fit our keto macros and I've kept it on rotation even though we're only moderate low carb now.
Is it as fun to make as it is to say?
For years I've improved frozen pizzas by just adding more mozzarella.
You know if you order pizza from a place that's actually good, which is to say not Dominos or Pizza Hut, then that's actually a fair price. That's how much I pay including tip and delivery. In Chicagoland.
I'd would say it's a normal price... Not so sure about the fair part. The average price of a traditional pizzaria is why I tend to make my own pizza more than buying them. Ain't no reason I can't have a Round Table quality pizza at a Little Caesars price when I make it myself.
I remember when you could get a large pizza at Little Caesar's for $5.
I remember when Little Cesar's didn't suck, but that didn't last either.
I haven't had it in years, but I used to think their crazy bread was the shit. Sorry to hear it's gotten awful like everything else.
There are a bunch near me but only two of them don't suck. Prices are still super competitive too, can get two large pizzas a crazy combo and some sauces for under $20
Now they're $6. At least where I am. They're not the best pizza; but they are the best pizza for $6.
Making your own stuff is more fun than ordering delivery and watching TV while you wait for it to get there
Maybe it's where I live but most people don't have pizza stoves or pizza ovens at home
Pretty sure you can get by with an oven
A pizza oven hits 900F and space above to create a jet stream which cooks the toppings. You can get by with a regular oven but it wont be like a pizza from a pizza oven
I figured a regular oven wouldn't be as good as a pizza oven, just hate to see someone "roadblock" themselves. FWIW I used to finish my pizzas by putting them under the broiler for a minute.
If you don't have a cast iron pan, you should get one. A basic Lodge does the job as good as any (it's just a hunk of iron). It's super easy to use a cast iron pan to make pizza.
Really? I was considering a pizza stone for our oven.
If you can afford the space or whatever, and want one, get a pizza stone. I have never used one, so I can't comment on it. I have used my 12" cast iron to make a lot of pizzas and there are many "cast iron pizza" recipes out there. It's super easy and it's one of the very few things that I can say I've yet to totally screw up cooking.
Guess what kind of oven you have after you put a pizza in it
Likely still a conventional oven that doesn't have the temperature or airflow that a pizza oven does.
Make pizza at home. Stop falling into poverty traps.
I understand wanting to give people the tools to help themselves but it's also important to keep in mind that this sort of logic has been used to punish the poor and victim blame for any excess pleasure expenditure.
Poverty is a symptom of a failing system and does not fall solely on the individual to escape.
You are assuming the people have the time to learn, the energy, even a kitchen with enough space to do it. Now if you're just talking about like a frozen pizza sure whatever but if you're talking about making it from scratch that's a lot of fucking work not everyone has that kind of time
Who doesn't ever have time to cook? Making pizza from scratch is maybe 30mins of work at most. To me it Sounds like you are infantilizing poor people into a position where they are too stupid to feed themselves. I have never in my life met a single person who couldn't just have made pizza at home.
Pizzas from scratch does not become 30 minutes of work until you're well versed in it. Before that it's a giant mess which most people who are poor and living in tiny Apartments literally just do not have the counterspace for. And a few hours of learning.
When you are poor the vast majority of your time is generally spent trying to make what little money you can, you come home you have enough time to quickly eat something shower maybe if you're lucky to get one hour to yourself before it's time to sleep.
There are lots of foods that you can do quickly and easily from scratch for yourself. Especially if you can manage to get your hands on something like an instant pot or other type of large slow cooker or pressure cooker. Things that will allow you to make seemingly complex meals with a couple button pushes and you don't even have to be home to monitor it but pizza from scratch is just not one of them
For the past couple of years I've been on a "home cooking" stretch making as many different varieties of cuisines possible, dough is by far one of the toughest to perfect even with decades of experience in the restaurant industry . Without decent equipment costing an outrageous amount you're going to be spending hours and multiple attempts to get a product that resembles the flavor and texture profile you're aiming for.
I feel like the responses I see to how "easy" home cooking is comes from the Dunning-Kruger effect. No one enjoys setting up a flour station and having to clean that shit up (especially if you're a dough slapper, which why wouldn't you be). A beginner cutting up and prepping the ingredients for a deluxe pizza is going to take 30 mins alone (precook sausage, 7+ different items needing to be cut, blending sauce, shredding cheese). The dough is a whole other paragraph that's just making me tired thinking about it, but decent dough takes time.
Top professionals know the years of hard work and learning that is needed to efficiently run a quick kitchen. There's so much research needed, trial-and-error, and shitty recipes out there it's beyond unnecessarily complicated without a solid template (mentor, family recipes) to follow. It becomes a second hobby (which people don't have time for) if you want to completely replace expenses and keep the same quality from desirable restaurants. Got a shitty oven that doesn't cook evenly? Can't afford anything but a wooden spoon and a large plastic mixing bowl? Temperatures in your dwelling that vary rapidly effecting your meal prep? The poorer you are the more you have to micro-manage every detail when you're already stretched so thin.
What does this even have to do with poverty?
I work a well paying office job. Often in evenings I just don't have the energy to cook a decent meal, between caring for my family and getting a bit of time to myself.
If I lived in a big city, with their tiny little kitchens, it'd be even more frustrating.
Can I? Sure, it's a simple recipe, I don't need to be an experienced cook.
Can I make time? Sure, I can sacrifice some unwind time or family time.
Can I find the energy to motivate myself to sacrifice that time? Often not.
I imagine it gets exponentially worse with larger families, smaller apartments, and harder/more jobs.
Tbf sometimes you don't have the energy or time to cook at home. When that happens pizza is one of the cheapest options. But not freakin $36 pizza that looks marginally better than Little Ceasars.
I'm in Canada, when I order pizza for my family of 3 it comes out to like $65+ with tax and delivery, it's insane. Took them to burger king the other day, we got 3 meals and a couple of apple turnovers and it came out to $50+, shit is insane.
If this is the pizza for 36 $ I feel pitty for humanity.
Someone, who probably works a shitty job that pays mostly for their rent, comes home way too tired and depressed to cook. Orders a pizza that looks absolutely underwhelming. For money that is equivalent for a month of food in another country.
You're forgetting the neutron star on the side
Like how I feel when someone puts the dollar sign after the number
Per DIN 5008 before and after the value is legitimate.
Modern problems, not sure if it's the original tweet image or they used AI to autocomplete the image....
it is, i was infuriated by the cropping situation and took 2 minutes of my time to visit the evil site to save the original picture in the reply :)
Your sacrifice will be remembered...tracked, cookied, and geotagged.
Ok thanks for the effort then!.
Not sure why people downvoted my comment tough anyway doesn't matter.
then dw bt it
What?
if you cant tell then dont worry about it
I saw Home Alone on TV during Christmas and the cheese pizza Kevin orders from Little Neroβs was $12 or $13. Iβm impressed and grateful that I can still get a pizza for that price sometimes like 35 years later. Cheaper if I go to Caesars and pick up
Their crazy bread is like crack to me I stg
It's still a better price for what you are getting, but somehow a large Little Caesars pizza is only as filling as like three or four slices from anywhere else. I can easily finish it in one sitting. But you can't complain about $5.55 for a whole pizza. And the "Hot-N-Ready!" signs have been making me giggle for 20 years.
We (loc: krautland) totally stopped ordering take-out. It gets less and less, worse and worse, cheaper and cheaper, but also more and more expensive. It's not worth it anymore. At all.
We may be just some cheap fucks (as many still do, even those with way less moneyz), but takeout is no viable alternative to cooking anymore.
Gustavo Gusto frozen pizza is better than at least 80% of delivery pizza anyway, so I just stock those.
Oh is it? Often seen, never tried. We will try next time!
Though the majority of delivery (or even fresh there) is not what a pizza should be and no real competition for self-made or frozen. Here in the Ruhrgebiet at least. They all just seem like money-laundering-stations with mediocre pizza π©
Last time I ordered pizza it came out to $30. We make it at home now. Better quality anyway, besides one of my daughters really loves cooking it with me.
...and they're still asking for tips.
It all went downhill when they let the delivery people set the prices
...?
If you are culinary challenged like myself but would like to making pizza at home, here's some suggestions:
Frozen grocery store cheese pizza but fancied up by adding whatever topping you are in the mood for. An "Italian seasoning" spice adds a lot of flavor.
Instead of a traditional pizza dough opt for something simpler like French bread or pitas. Slather on sauce, cheese, toppings. This was my introduction to "cooking" when I was broke.
Pre-made pizza crust like Boboli which is nice but ups the cost. You can also buy uncooked dough though I've never gone this route. I tried making my own dough back when bread machines were a thing but I could never get the hand of it.
Robin Hood pizza flour. I'm sure there are other brands but this is what our mom would use to make pizza most weekends. Now that I'm thinking about I'll have to pick some up
I feel about the word "slather" the way a lot of people seem to feel about the word moist.
I really miss RES. I would tag people like you so I could always use the word slather whenever I saw you again.
Best possible use of RES, lol.
I would slather that tag next to your name.
Doesn't Lemmy have a built-in tag thingy? Or did I install some script that I'm forgetting about...
Not that I ever noticed. Right now I'm on my phone and I use connect. I'll look next time I'm at my computer
Let's wish someone is working on a Lemmy Enhancement Suite to give us that functionality again.
Or better: someone seeing missing RES functionality and turning it into feature requests, which get rolled out to everyone as Lemmy updates.
I hope whatever they are slathering is moist.
Should I change it to "spread"? because I'm sure that will make somebody uncomfortable
No, "spread" doesn't carry the same enthusiasm, vigor and volume of sauce that "slather" does..
You can make tortilla pizza.
Yes! We use mission low carb wraps (they seem to crisp up better) and spread tomato puree on top, then season it with garlic salt and Italian herbs, add clumps of grated cheese, and then toppings.
The trick is to preheat the oven to 400 with a cast iron in, and then spray with oil when you take it out ready to cook on (use gloves, it'll be hot). Carefully transfer the pizza to the hot pan, return to oven, and cook for 10 mins. Depending on the toppings, and if you like it a little more top crispy, switch the oven to broil at the 8 min mark for the last two mins.
My new obsession is a little smidge of grated brussel sprouts (don't knock it til you try it) with an oil spritz.
I'm probably going to try this, thanks for the write up.
Just yesterday I looked at the calorie count for my favorite frozen pizzas (Detroit Supreme, ~2400) and realized I need to cut it out entirely. This might soften the blow.
Yeah most pizzas run 300-400 cals a slice. If I really try to go easy on the cheese I can make a tortilla pizza for 500 cals.
I also make a wicked delicious lasagna without pasta sheets (sub for zucchini and kale layers). We designed it to fit our keto macros and I've kept it on rotation even though we're only moderate low carb now.
Is it as fun to make as it is to say?
For years I've improved frozen pizzas by just adding more mozzarella.
You know if you order pizza from a place that's actually good, which is to say not Dominos or Pizza Hut, then that's actually a fair price. That's how much I pay including tip and delivery. In Chicagoland.
I'd would say it's a normal price... Not so sure about the fair part. The average price of a traditional pizzaria is why I tend to make my own pizza more than buying them. Ain't no reason I can't have a Round Table quality pizza at a Little Caesars price when I make it myself.
I remember when you could get a large pizza at Little Caesar's for $5.
I remember when Little Cesar's didn't suck, but that didn't last either.
I haven't had it in years, but I used to think their crazy bread was the shit. Sorry to hear it's gotten awful like everything else.
There are a bunch near me but only two of them don't suck. Prices are still super competitive too, can get two large pizzas a crazy combo and some sauces for under $20
Now they're $6. At least where I am. They're not the best pizza; but they are the best pizza for $6.
Making your own stuff is more fun than ordering delivery and watching TV while you wait for it to get there
Maybe it's where I live but most people don't have pizza stoves or pizza ovens at home
Pretty sure you can get by with an oven
A pizza oven hits 900F and space above to create a jet stream which cooks the toppings. You can get by with a regular oven but it wont be like a pizza from a pizza oven
I figured a regular oven wouldn't be as good as a pizza oven, just hate to see someone "roadblock" themselves. FWIW I used to finish my pizzas by putting them under the broiler for a minute.
If you don't have a cast iron pan, you should get one. A basic Lodge does the job as good as any (it's just a hunk of iron). It's super easy to use a cast iron pan to make pizza.
Really? I was considering a pizza stone for our oven.
If you can afford the space or whatever, and want one, get a pizza stone. I have never used one, so I can't comment on it. I have used my 12" cast iron to make a lot of pizzas and there are many "cast iron pizza" recipes out there. It's super easy and it's one of the very few things that I can say I've yet to totally screw up cooking.
Guess what kind of oven you have after you put a pizza in it
Likely still a conventional oven that doesn't have the temperature or airflow that a pizza oven does.
Make pizza at home. Stop falling into poverty traps.
I understand wanting to give people the tools to help themselves but it's also important to keep in mind that this sort of logic has been used to punish the poor and victim blame for any excess pleasure expenditure.
Poverty is a symptom of a failing system and does not fall solely on the individual to escape.
You are assuming the people have the time to learn, the energy, even a kitchen with enough space to do it. Now if you're just talking about like a frozen pizza sure whatever but if you're talking about making it from scratch that's a lot of fucking work not everyone has that kind of time
Who doesn't ever have time to cook? Making pizza from scratch is maybe 30mins of work at most. To me it Sounds like you are infantilizing poor people into a position where they are too stupid to feed themselves. I have never in my life met a single person who couldn't just have made pizza at home.
Pizzas from scratch does not become 30 minutes of work until you're well versed in it. Before that it's a giant mess which most people who are poor and living in tiny Apartments literally just do not have the counterspace for. And a few hours of learning.
When you are poor the vast majority of your time is generally spent trying to make what little money you can, you come home you have enough time to quickly eat something shower maybe if you're lucky to get one hour to yourself before it's time to sleep.
There are lots of foods that you can do quickly and easily from scratch for yourself. Especially if you can manage to get your hands on something like an instant pot or other type of large slow cooker or pressure cooker. Things that will allow you to make seemingly complex meals with a couple button pushes and you don't even have to be home to monitor it but pizza from scratch is just not one of them
For the past couple of years I've been on a "home cooking" stretch making as many different varieties of cuisines possible, dough is by far one of the toughest to perfect even with decades of experience in the restaurant industry . Without decent equipment costing an outrageous amount you're going to be spending hours and multiple attempts to get a product that resembles the flavor and texture profile you're aiming for.
I feel like the responses I see to how "easy" home cooking is comes from the Dunning-Kruger effect. No one enjoys setting up a flour station and having to clean that shit up (especially if you're a dough slapper, which why wouldn't you be). A beginner cutting up and prepping the ingredients for a deluxe pizza is going to take 30 mins alone (precook sausage, 7+ different items needing to be cut, blending sauce, shredding cheese). The dough is a whole other paragraph that's just making me tired thinking about it, but decent dough takes time.
Top professionals know the years of hard work and learning that is needed to efficiently run a quick kitchen. There's so much research needed, trial-and-error, and shitty recipes out there it's beyond unnecessarily complicated without a solid template (mentor, family recipes) to follow. It becomes a second hobby (which people don't have time for) if you want to completely replace expenses and keep the same quality from desirable restaurants. Got a shitty oven that doesn't cook evenly? Can't afford anything but a wooden spoon and a large plastic mixing bowl? Temperatures in your dwelling that vary rapidly effecting your meal prep? The poorer you are the more you have to micro-manage every detail when you're already stretched so thin.
What does this even have to do with poverty? I work a well paying office job. Often in evenings I just don't have the energy to cook a decent meal, between caring for my family and getting a bit of time to myself. If I lived in a big city, with their tiny little kitchens, it'd be even more frustrating.
I imagine it gets exponentially worse with larger families, smaller apartments, and harder/more jobs.
Tbf sometimes you don't have the energy or time to cook at home. When that happens pizza is one of the cheapest options. But not freakin $36 pizza that looks marginally better than Little Ceasars.
I'm in Canada, when I order pizza for my family of 3 it comes out to like $65+ with tax and delivery, it's insane. Took them to burger king the other day, we got 3 meals and a couple of apple turnovers and it came out to $50+, shit is insane.
Tfw burger king costs same as sit down