Trump's Final Hours in Office Were Consumed With Fury at Snoop Dogg

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Trump's Final Hours in Office Were Consumed With Fury at Snoop Dogg
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My favorite part of this entire article is the author referring to Trump as a "former game show host."

I like the one calling him Rapist Who Wanted Vice President Dead Compares Self to Navalny

People keep calling him a "game show host" and I feel like I'm missing something. Are people calling the apprentice a "game show"? Thatt was reality TV imo, not a game show.

I thought more game show than reality, like survivor. Apparently the genre is "reality competition"

But no one calls survivor a “game show”

Yes I know it’s a game. But that genre of tv is entirely different. And that should be apparent to anyone who has watched tv once in the last 30 years.

Wikipedia calls it a "reality game show" for non Americans.

Your comment was unnecessarily rude and arrogant.

It's a game show. The contestants are all competing for a prize. Why is the term game show so offensive to you haha

Can't the Venn diagram overlap?

The two genres? Sure. That show? No. In no way does that show resemble a game show to me.

I'll take your word for it because I never watched a single episode. I just had it in my head that it was a last man standing kind of thing where he fired one person at a time until there was one "winner," but maybe that's way off.

Game show is more accurate, given he's not a real businessman.

Reality tv isn't particularly "real".

I love that description of him. I've been calling him that since he threw his hat in the ring back in 2015. I forget who I first heard/read it from, but it's one of the nicer accurate descriptions of Rapey McTinyD.

Trump's Final Hours..

Yes!

...in Office

damn..

One of these days...

It's going to be an international shit show the likes of which god has never seen. The conspiracy theories alone will be heard all the way to Mars. It could get violent too.

I can't wait for the yokels in mobility scooters waving AR-15s getting mowed down.

Nobody ever dies of natural causes in MAGA/Q world. Some people never die.

Yeah, I remember all the qtards going on about Hillary when Scalia died. At 79. With a history of heart trouble and high blood pressure.

So it was only natural that Hillary had something to do with it!

I just realized that I have a spare bottle of champagne at home, I hereby dedicate it to be drunk when Mr. Trump is gone.

You should never wish someone dead, and I don't wish Mr. Trump dead, but I am going to celebrate when he is gone.

I'm personally looking forward to all the delicious passive-agressive snark that will be in this sub because of the "no celebrating death" rule

Oh, I am using the Memmy app and didn't even realize that, sorry

Oh no, i didn't mean to call you out. He hasn't actually died so I don't think your comment count towards that.

So, when I read this, I can't help but think that that sounds like a miserable way to live, going from hatred to grudge to hatred as a continual state of being. Really nothing his actions could cause me to want for him is worse than being him. I wish he could go and get help instead of spending his time taking it out on everyone around him, but he won't.

He never looks happy. At the rare time he smiles, it's clear from his eyes that it's false.

He's a miserable old man and, regardless of the outcome of the election, he will die miserable.

I can't always manage it, like when I think about what he wants to do to my whole family for existing differently in a way his base has been told to be angry about, but sometimes I do manage a sense of sorrow for the fact that he's spent his entire life like that, trapped in himself.

I have absolutely no sympathy for him. He's a rapist, he's a bigot, he's a traitor, he's a tax cheat. And there are so many other reasons.

Donald Trump does not deserve happiness.

I spent a while practicing the ability to see / be aware of and empathize with the pain of others a while back as part of an effort to learn universal love. I endorse having done so, and I still think he's a piece of shit. It's just that, much like the dog dump on the lawn, he can't help being what he is; he's made of atoms that follow physical law. I don't think that free will is a thing, and I don't think between his genetic and environmental inheritances he ever had a real chance to be better. Doesn't mean I want him to have his tiny hands on the power that gives his cold black heart the closest thing it ever has to happiness (the feeling of not just not wanting to throw hamberders at the wall, but the feeling of wanting not to throw hamberders at the wall), just that it's sorrowful he is that way, and I wish he could get real help for the sickness inside.

I'm somewhere along the same lines, but stop short at not believing in free will. He came from terrible circumstances with a sociopathic father and distant mother, but there are plenty who come from similar backgrounds and overcome being huge pieces of shit, let alone being responsible for countless deaths because of his actions.

So, yes, other people had similar environmental circumstances, but they weren't the same environmental circumstances, and they weren't experienced with the same brains. Nobody gets to pick their neural arrangements, and even if in some hypothetical sense you did, you wouldn't get to pick the algorithms you did the picking with. There's an infinite regress there, unless you acknowledge that it grounds out in you get the mind you get. Libertarian free will doesn't seem to map to anything in reality, and while I'm always willing to update on new evidence, it's been a long time since anyone's presented anything really novel in that area.

If free will isn't a thing then why are you urging us to empathize? There's nothing you can say or do that will influence my behavior in the slightest. Sorry, I don't have a choice: I hope he dies in prison miserable and alone.

If marbles don't have free will, why does putting them into a marble maze lead to them rolling? That you cannot stand apart from your mind and reason with some perfect algorithm that doesn't mean that you cannot be influenced. I'm a part of your environment.

Also, I'm not necessarily trying to shape your perspective; I'm sharing mine. I'm not saying you're wrong to have that viewpoint, I just prefer the person I am when I'm not generating that as much as when I'm generating that him existing as the person he is, is a tragedy.

. I wish he could go and get help instead of spending his time taking it out on everyone around him, but he won't.

I wish his anger would consume him and his entire body and he ends up all shriveled up like Voldemort in that one scene.

That would probably be better for the rest of us, and more likely, but it's still a sad outcome compared to him recovering from the sickness he's suffered from his whole life.

I dunno, that shit seems pretty baked in. And if he were suddenly able to gain perspective and sanity, I don't think that would be a particularly enjoyable experience.

I'm not advocating for a Total Perspective Vortex experience for him here. I agree though that it's not going to get better.

More likely "his anger would consume him and his entire body and he ends up all shriveled up like" Palpatine and he tries to take over the galaxy.

Donald Trump has clinically diagnosable Narcissistic Personality Disorder, and living with NPD is hard. People with NPD aren't walking around saying "I only associate with the best people and have the best things" and viewing every single experience through the singular lens of how it affects them because they want to, but because they have to. It's the only way they know how to cope with the world around them.

People with NPD who aren't born into money like Trump often struggle to maintain employment and relationships. Trump struggles just as much but can throw money and power around to get out of bad situations. Just look at all his failed business ventures and failed relationships. Trump is literally textbook NPD and it's terrifying he has so much power and is influencing such a large segment of society to be like him.

Yeah, it's tragic for anyone in that situation. It also sucks extra hard that he's become our collective tragedy, but the universe is like that sometimes.

If Trump had never existed wouldn't it have been someone else to fill his role though?

I don't know if there was anyone else in the field in 2016 who has the same mix of traits to do the kind of damage he did to the country. I could be wrong about this, but I think a president Cruz would have been slimy and made the country worse but I don't think he would have been as bad.

I understand where you're coming from and it's refreshing seeing someone have the empathy you do for people suffering with NPD. Having any type of mental illness though isn't an excuse or good enough reason to treat people the way he does, or to damage or harm others like a lot of NPDs do. It's unfortunate their mental illness can screw up and damage the lives of so many other people around them. I find it difficult to sympathize with them.

It's definitely no excuse, which is why I said him having such power and influence is terrifying. If anything, it's a terrifying reflection of a subset of society who are completely willing to overlook all the horrible things he does, where even one single uncouth allegation or statement would have brought down previous candidates. It's a huge and upsetting shift in societal norms

"It isn't your fault, but it is your responsibility."

Unfortunately, he was never taught responsibility in a way that took, presuming he's capable of it in a meaningful sense.

Sympathizing with them is not actually compulsory; I intentionally do so as an exercise because I believe that stretching myself that way will lead to better outcomes in situations where I have power over people, but it's not at all a requirement.

This is a perfect example of the Just World Fallacy in action.

Just because you think he ought to be unhappy it doesn't mean he is.

I don't think he ought to be unhappy at all. I have years of experience as a psychotherapist and am relaying my observations among people with NPD. No one deserves to feel and think like this, they just do, based on a complex interplay of genetic and environmental factors and decision-making skills

....everyone around him being the entire country and then some, given the power this country has.

Yup. It used to be a much smaller set, but then as a country we put him in office.

On reflection, that has turned out to be a poor decision on America's part. I hope we continue to do better.

That is exactly what I think when I spend time around some of the more conservative relatives. Envy, fear, anger, and ultimately hatred. So much jealousy. Over the years it’s shown me how so much of the suffering in the developed world is self imposed, and helped me change.

It really is both saddening and enlightening. I still struggle with some of these problems, but the awareness has done wonders for my life. Actual effective threat assessment is like a superpower.

Really nothing his actions could cause me to want for him is worse than being him.

I mean...I could want for him to be him...but without the money and influence and power over others and enormous platform to spread his ideas and cult like following and 4 years as the leader of my country.

He'd have to be one hell of a lot closer to a regular person before I ever wished anything positive for him.

I want that for instrumental reasons like, "I'd really like it if I didn't have to worry about my family being herded into camps because "Joe Biden was just too old" or something," but yeah. It would be really good if people would get better about recognizing what he is and what it is he's selling them, like a cut rate Leland Gaunt.

I’d like him to be him with external consequences to his actions. Plenty of people are miserable by their own making. That fact is the core principle of a major religion even.

That said, yeah he deserves the misery he brings himself. His inability to enjoy what he has and those around him is pathetic. A power, prestige, and conflict addict suffering because he can’t accept what he is.

When your life is just given to you, you earned nothing, and you get away with crimes for decades, the world takes on a much more cynical shade of brown. Trump has such thin skin from never having to truly work a day in his life that words literally wound him.

It must be bad, yes, but it doesn't help that the draws the ire of others to himself

He does, and that doesn't help, yes. The kind of person he is, is a kind of finger trap: the harder he tries to be cool, respected, etc, the more he steps on rakes, and the more rakes he steps on, the more he needs those things, so he tries, and steps on more rakes.

This is like that one time that Bush the Elder was so upset at Chuck D that he almost missed an important NATO summit. Or the time Bill Clinton had a months long feud with Tupac and stopped going to cabinet meetings. Oh and don’t get me started on George W and Jay Z. /s

Missed a real opportunity with W and Kanye. Mike Meyers remembers...

Or the Obama-Eminem battle that lasted 13 days and nights, no time left to find Bin Laden.

I have nothing but love and respect for Donald Trump.

-Snoop, 2024

I guess weed does make you stupid after all.

Snoop wrote a song dissing him, talked shit about him for years, then worked him over and got him to pardon a bunch of dudes. Snoop's not dumb, he knows he played him and won, and that, for the sake of his friend that could possibly have his pardon revoked if the world's biggest narcissist gets a second term, needs to play it cool.

Or, he literally is ok with dropping his beef now that the asshat is out of office, like an adult.

Or, he literally is ok with dropping his beef now that the asshat is out of office, like an adult.

Uh I'm not fucking okay with Trump just because he's out of office now, I hope that's not what you meant.

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While the famous rapper and actor recently made headlines discussing his “love and respect” for the ex-president, he bitterly feuded with Trump early on in his presidency, before his feelings softened.

...At least one Trump aide quickly started googling for other derogatory, profanity-laden Snoop Dogg quotes that were directed at the 45th U.S. president. The examples were compiled, and some of these officials personally saw to it that Trump was shown how the rapper had felt about him in recent years.

This immediately enraged the Republican president, who had apparently forgotten about the depths of Snoop Dogg’s past hatred.

Snoop was trying to get clemency for a Mr. Harris.

Michael "Harry-O" Harris was a co-founder of Death Row Records. He was also a gangster and a drug kingpin and was once charged with attempted murder, although that charge was dropped. He is an instrumental figure in the history of hiphop. He also does not deserve a pardon.

https://spectrumnews1.com/ca/la-west/la-stories/2022/07/17/michael-harry-o-harris-the-untold-story-of-death-row-records

Which is kind of why I'm surprised Trump didn't give him one.

Snoop is listed at 6’4”. Trumpf claims to be 6’3”. Hmmm. Looks a little bit more than 1” diff, but even without the spacing…. Maybe that’s the reason he was upset?!?

It’s because Trump is 5’11

I'm 5'10". Trump is still taller than me. 😕

You know, given how angry Trump was at Snoop Dogg, I wonder how much the pardon cost?

This is the best summary I could come up with:


In late 2020 and early 2021, Snoop Dogg secretly worked to influence the White House on executive clemency for federal prisoners — including for the rapper’s close friend and Death Row Records figure, Michael “Harry-O” Harris.

Near the end of Trump’s administration, Snoop Dogg and several others had been working diligently behind the scenes for weeks to secure a presidential commutation for Death Row Records co-founder and ex-kingpin Harry-O.

“I don’t give a fuck, I tell ’em straight up, motherfucker: If you like that nigga, you motherfuckin’ racist,” Snoop Dogg said about Trump, his MAGA fans, and the president’s pal Kanye West in 2018.

That paragraph caught the attention of certain individuals and administration officials close to Trump, several of whom were extremely skeptical of his past embrace of moderate criminal justice reforms and some of the clemencies he had granted in his term.

“I was aware that the [Daily Beast] article caused a problem for Mr. Harris’ clemency petition, and I was asked by someone close to the White House to send a clip of a previously recorded message from Snoop where he commended Trump’s efforts on criminal justice reform,” Angelos confirmed to Rolling Stone.

Among those listed were Harris (who received a commuted sentence), Trump’s former top strategist and White House adviser Steve Bannon, rappers Lil Wayne and Kodak Black, and former prominent Republican fundraiser Elliott Broidy.


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You almost got me, rolling stone.

They really that bad?

just look at that headline. who the fuck cares if ConFed is (or was) mad at the Snoop?

Oh I just think it's an interesting insight into how Trump operates. I believe the article is trying to highlight how fucking petty Trump actually is.

He's fucking petty, all right. A writer wrote something once about his small hands, and Trump spent the next couple decades sending him copies of newspaper or magazine articles where his hands were pictured, with a note saying something to the effect of "see, they're not small".