Complained about falling asleep and being called Sleepy Don.
Complained he can't see Baron's graduation
Complained at a Bodega about Bodegas being the epicenter of violence and crime
Complained about not having unlimited STRIKERS
Complained about gag order
Complained about gag order being enforced
Complained about Jimmy Kimmel hurting his feelings at the Oscar's, which was 38 days ago.
Wah wah wah. Fucking crybaby. How about not breaking the fucking law asshole?
Sounds like he's a bit of a ... Snowflake lmao
One downvote lol. Someone is a butthurt snowflake.
Thought you were a right wing MAGA nut, but looking at your profile you don't seem to be too fond of Drumpster either
I think you might have misinterpreted my comment
I think you might have actually misinterpreted theirs; I think they were making fun of the person who downvoted, not claiming the downvote.
The way I interpreted it is that your comment had a downvote when InternetUser2012 commented, not that they were downvoting you. I could be wrong though.
You are not wrong lol
Nah, you got mine wrong lol. I was talking about whoever downvoted you. It wasn't me.
Wait, you guys can see a vote breakdown? LMAO I thought it was just a total vote count like on reddit this whole time lol
Haha. He's still complaining about Kimmel?
That moron doesn't even realize his complaints cause more people to tune into Kimmel to see Kimmel make fun of him every night.
And I hope Kimmel brings this up tonight.
As per his own words, he's a whiner cause he'll do it till it wins. Unsure how well that works in criminal court though. I'm hoping we get to find out the court's limits sooner than later
He whines the likes the world has never seen. So much whining. I can't stand it all this whining.
There's a bit of usefulness in whining. I "whine" at work all the time, but it's about useful shit. Nothing seems to happen until I complain about something lol
If you can't do the mild inconvenience, don't do the crime.
Complained the looseys cost too much.
He’s just so tired now, why do they keep making him run for president?
It's his retirement plan
“I thought STRIKES were supposed to be ‘unlimited’ when we were picking our jury?” Trump wrote in a post on Truth Social.
State law, a law that's been around for over a hundred years, limits it to 10 strikes.
That's what he gets for thinking again.
Trump always complains when he has to follow the rules. Doesn't matter what the rule is, he always wants to be the exception.
It probably comes from the decades of experience he has in not having to follow the rules.
And he's always been a lying manipulative piece of shit too.
Exemplifying that here - he actually does get unlimited strikes if there's a legal reason that juror shouldn't be there (e.g. if they say, "I'm not going to consider the evidence, I've already made up my mind.") He's only limited to 10 strikes without having a legal basis for them, but his followers are going to see Trump's whining and walk away with the impression that his lawyers are forced to spend those 10 strikes on "I've already made up my mind" jurors.
Trump supporters already have the impression that all the potential jurors are out to get Trump, because their whole worldview necessitates a constant attitude of victimhood.
And somehow the jury pool has zero trumpers to begin with
I'm not familiar with New York jury procedure, but I vaguely recall reading that -- not specific to New York -- typically there are unlimited "for cause" removals, and a finite number of "not for cause". Like, you can object to someone who isn't going to actually do a sane job as a juror.
Strike for cause (also referred to as challenge for cause or removal for cause) is a method of eliminating potential members from a jury panel in the United States.
During the jury selection process, after voir dire, opposing attorneys may request removal of any juror who does not appear capable of rendering a fair and impartial verdict, in either determining guilt or innocence and/or a suitable punishment.[1] An example would be a potential juror in a murder case, where the sentencing options include the death penalty and a lesser sentence (such as life without parole), who states that they "would sentence a defendant to death if found guilty"; such a statement may indicate the person's unwillingness to fairly consider a life without parole sentence.
Unlike a peremptory challenge (the number of which are limited by the court during voir dire, and unless a Batson challenge is raised the challenge is automatically granted) there is no limit to the number of strikes for cause that attorneys on either side of a case can be granted. However, also unlike a peremptory challenge, a strike for cause must state a specific reason (in the example above, the reason would be the juror's bias against a non-death penalty sentence) and be granted by the trial judge; often both attorneys and sometimes the judge will question the juror being challenged.
If one attorney moves to strike a juror for cause but the judge rejects the motion, the attorney may still use a peremptory challenge (if they have any remaining) to strike the juror, and on appeal may raise a claim that the motion should have been granted but, because it was not, the attorney had to either use a peremptory challenge or seat a biased juror.
You couldn't pay me enough to be a juror for that trial. Sure, just paint a target on my back for this cult leader who's backed by half the government!
I'd happily do it. I'm not a us citizen, though.
And I'm grateful for the people who are willing to do such a thankless task!
They pay $15 a day where I live. I expect they will get similar lol
Mine pays $4 for the first day, and $12 per subsequent day if the trial lasts longer than one day. Parking in the attached garage is $15 per day.
Lol they give you the money then take it right back. You would think the justice system would be more fair than that
It's a legal system.
No, only you have unlimited strikes when it comes to the law. You threaten another person 483 more times, and we might fine you $1000.
If you threaten the family members of a federal judge a few dozen more times we will slowly start to count down from 5.
I want to say the punishment fits his mental age but how do I reconcile that with the fact that he has dementia? Can toddlers have dementia? Mentally he is a superposition of tot and extremely old.
I was pretty chuffed about that $1000 ask, but it turns out that that's the maximum fine allowed for contempt of court in a criminal trial in New York.
Beyond that, there's either exclusion from the courtroom (and no judge wants to exclude a defendant from the courtroom) or detention up to thirty days.
Let's do the detention one, please.
Oh, this isn't The Onion, this is real news.
TBF I bet the prosecution feels the same way...the juror strike system is designed to make compromises.
"Man, if I didn't have to follow all these rules, I would be winning right now!"
But he can only make deals, not compromises.
To be fair, getting an impartial jury in this case is a lot harder than it would be normally.
That's what happens when the defendant is a polarizing fascist asshole.
Maybe, but that's not a crime and he shouldn't be punished for it.
He chose to have a jury trial. Juries are inherently biased. It's impossible for anyone to have missed the past 8 years of almost daily coverage of the dumb things he says and does.
No idea why you got downvoted. Nearly everyone will know who he is, since he was the damn President of the country. Nearly everyone will know a lot of stuff about him, since he never fucking shuts up on social media. He has a large percentage of the country who loves him and a larger percentage of people who absolutely hate him. Finally, the case and jury selection is in New York, where he has been in the news for 40 years.
People seem to think that a prior opinion about the dependent automatically means that a potential juror cannot be impartial. All that is required is that the juror can render a verdict based solely on the evidence presented at trial. Plenty of people with strong opinions about Trump himself can still be impartial jurors.
Yup. And those 10 strikes are for exactly that. If you can’t prove a juror will be biased but suspect they will be, then you can use one of your 10 strikes to exclude them. But you have an unlimited amount of “for cause” strikes, where the juror has admitted that they wouldn’t be able to stay impartial.
I'm not sure that's true. Even a person with a great deal of integrity and respect for the law is going to be biased subconsciously to some extent by the knowledge that this case may change the outcome of a particularly important presidential election. A person whose respect for the law is less than absolute may even consider affecting the outcome of the election to be a moral obligation.
More autistic people should be jurors. It would be the perfect job for certain autistic people who are very rules based.
I agree. I am autistic and was a jury foreman about 20 years ago. It was pretty awesome, and I was helping keep the other jurors in line, reminding them when evidence submitted was deemed immaterial and not to be considered in our verdict...all that stuff. 10/10 Would perform my civic duty again (12/10 with rice)
It would be an honor and a privilege to be on Pissbaby Don's jury just to have the opportunity to find him guilty, but I'd have to avoid a for cause strike to do so. Thankfully, part of my autistic skill set is that I happen to be a fantastic liar. I don't lie to people I care about, apart from spinning fantastic tales and then saying, "Naw, I'm just fucking with you. 😏"
For Joe Schmo, rules-based impartiality. For Republican politicians, self-affirmed white supremacists, shit-stirring talking head bigots, and JK Rowling though, get fucked, here come your god-damned consequences.
Hi government please choose me as juror I definitely will not intentionally give him the maximum sentence
The sentence isn't determined by the jury.
I can dream
I agree. Trump has done everything possible to spread his propaganda and poison the jury pool.
That’s why they’re not allowed to ask nix people for being biased.
Everyone already has their opinions. The best they can do is look for people that aren’t dogmatic.
Is it reasonable to think that if his lawyers get even one maga nut on the jury, they'd have to re-try the case?
I am pretty certain jury verdicts have to be unanimous or it's a mistrial, so, yeah, that's a reasonable thing to think
The fact that they are going through social media history makes this significantly less of a risk, but it's still a risk.
There are plenty of stupid people who are not active on social media.
Outside of Lemmy, I'm not on social media... and I like to think of myself as pretty stupid.
Same
On the plus side this is New York, the city that knows him best. And they fucking hate him.
Florida can keep him
The parts of my family that are Trump supporters are all from NYC. I imagine they never have actually met Trump though. I imagine actually meeting him would cure them.
It's up to the government to decide whether or not they re-try a case if there is a hung jury. It's my understanding that most of the time, they do not re-try the case because of the time and effort involved with no guarantee that the outcome would be any different. So usually a hung jury is a victory for the defense.
I'm not a lawyer, that's just my layman's understanding from the legal stuff I've seen and read.
I expect in this case the prosecution would consider it worth the time and expense, but
Hah, get fucked you feckless moron.
I just like that, for the past couple of days, he’s had to sit there and listen to people offer their unfiltered opinions about him as they were entered into the public record. Honestly, I was kinda hoping it’d go on for another day or two so he’d have a rage stroke.
"No one can judge me!" - Donald Trump literally
You know how many times he's asked his lawyers if they could? At least a dozen.
Cant expect any different from the rotten orange pussy
Of course that's what he wants to do. Reject all of them and then have the judge declare a mistrial when they can't seat a full jury.
In bird culture we would call this "being a whiny little bitch"
Donnie's complaints
Complained about not having a jury
Complained about having a jury
Complained about jury selection being too boring
Complained about falling asleep and being called Sleepy Don.
Complained he can't see Baron's graduation
Complained at a Bodega about Bodegas being the epicenter of violence and crime
Complained about not having unlimited STRIKERS
Complained about gag order
Complained about gag order being enforced
Complained about Jimmy Kimmel hurting his feelings at the Oscar's, which was 38 days ago.
Wah wah wah. Fucking crybaby. How about not breaking the fucking law asshole?
Sounds like he's a bit of a ... Snowflake lmao
One downvote lol. Someone is a butthurt snowflake.
Thought you were a right wing MAGA nut, but looking at your profile you don't seem to be too fond of Drumpster either
I think you might have misinterpreted my comment
I think you might have actually misinterpreted theirs; I think they were making fun of the person who downvoted, not claiming the downvote.
The way I interpreted it is that your comment had a downvote when InternetUser2012 commented, not that they were downvoting you. I could be wrong though.
You are not wrong lol
Nah, you got mine wrong lol. I was talking about whoever downvoted you. It wasn't me.
Wait, you guys can see a vote breakdown? LMAO I thought it was just a total vote count like on reddit this whole time lol
Haha. He's still complaining about Kimmel?
That moron doesn't even realize his complaints cause more people to tune into Kimmel to see Kimmel make fun of him every night.
And I hope Kimmel brings this up tonight.
As per his own words, he's a whiner cause he'll do it till it wins. Unsure how well that works in criminal court though. I'm hoping we get to find out the court's limits sooner than later
He whines the likes the world has never seen. So much whining. I can't stand it all this whining.
There's a bit of usefulness in whining. I "whine" at work all the time, but it's about useful shit. Nothing seems to happen until I complain about something lol
If you can't do the mild inconvenience, don't do the crime.
Complained the looseys cost too much.
He’s just so tired now, why do they keep making him run for president?
It's his retirement plan
“I thought STRIKES were supposed to be ‘unlimited’ when we were picking our jury?” Trump wrote in a post on Truth Social.
State law, a law that's been around for over a hundred years, limits it to 10 strikes.
That's what he gets for thinking again.
Trump always complains when he has to follow the rules. Doesn't matter what the rule is, he always wants to be the exception.
It probably comes from the decades of experience he has in not having to follow the rules.
And he's always been a lying manipulative piece of shit too.
Exemplifying that here - he actually does get unlimited strikes if there's a legal reason that juror shouldn't be there (e.g. if they say, "I'm not going to consider the evidence, I've already made up my mind.") He's only limited to 10 strikes without having a legal basis for them, but his followers are going to see Trump's whining and walk away with the impression that his lawyers are forced to spend those 10 strikes on "I've already made up my mind" jurors.
Trump supporters already have the impression that all the potential jurors are out to get Trump, because their whole worldview necessitates a constant attitude of victimhood.
And somehow the jury pool has zero trumpers to begin with
I'm not familiar with New York jury procedure, but I vaguely recall reading that -- not specific to New York -- typically there are unlimited "for cause" removals, and a finite number of "not for cause". Like, you can object to someone who isn't going to actually do a sane job as a juror.
googles
Yeah.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strike_for_cause
You couldn't pay me enough to be a juror for that trial. Sure, just paint a target on my back for this cult leader who's backed by half the government!
I'd happily do it. I'm not a us citizen, though.
And I'm grateful for the people who are willing to do such a thankless task!
They pay $15 a day where I live. I expect they will get similar lol
Mine pays $4 for the first day, and $12 per subsequent day if the trial lasts longer than one day. Parking in the attached garage is $15 per day.
Lol they give you the money then take it right back. You would think the justice system would be more fair than that
It's a legal system.
No, only you have unlimited strikes when it comes to the law. You threaten another person 483 more times, and we might fine you $1000.
If you threaten the family members of a federal judge a few dozen more times we will slowly start to count down from 5.
I want to say the punishment fits his mental age but how do I reconcile that with the fact that he has dementia? Can toddlers have dementia? Mentally he is a superposition of tot and extremely old.
I was pretty chuffed about that $1000 ask, but it turns out that that's the maximum fine allowed for contempt of court in a criminal trial in New York.
Beyond that, there's either exclusion from the courtroom (and no judge wants to exclude a defendant from the courtroom) or detention up to thirty days.
Let's do the detention one, please.
Oh, this isn't The Onion, this is real news.
TBF I bet the prosecution feels the same way...the juror strike system is designed to make compromises.
"Man, if I didn't have to follow all these rules, I would be winning right now!"
But he can only make deals, not compromises.
To be fair, getting an impartial jury in this case is a lot harder than it would be normally.
That's what happens when the defendant is a polarizing fascist asshole.
Maybe, but that's not a crime and he shouldn't be punished for it.
He chose to have a jury trial. Juries are inherently biased. It's impossible for anyone to have missed the past 8 years of almost daily coverage of the dumb things he says and does.
No idea why you got downvoted. Nearly everyone will know who he is, since he was the damn President of the country. Nearly everyone will know a lot of stuff about him, since he never fucking shuts up on social media. He has a large percentage of the country who loves him and a larger percentage of people who absolutely hate him. Finally, the case and jury selection is in New York, where he has been in the news for 40 years.
People seem to think that a prior opinion about the dependent automatically means that a potential juror cannot be impartial. All that is required is that the juror can render a verdict based solely on the evidence presented at trial. Plenty of people with strong opinions about Trump himself can still be impartial jurors.
Yup. And those 10 strikes are for exactly that. If you can’t prove a juror will be biased but suspect they will be, then you can use one of your 10 strikes to exclude them. But you have an unlimited amount of “for cause” strikes, where the juror has admitted that they wouldn’t be able to stay impartial.
I'm not sure that's true. Even a person with a great deal of integrity and respect for the law is going to be biased subconsciously to some extent by the knowledge that this case may change the outcome of a particularly important presidential election. A person whose respect for the law is less than absolute may even consider affecting the outcome of the election to be a moral obligation.
More autistic people should be jurors. It would be the perfect job for certain autistic people who are very rules based.
I agree. I am autistic and was a jury foreman about 20 years ago. It was pretty awesome, and I was helping keep the other jurors in line, reminding them when evidence submitted was deemed immaterial and not to be considered in our verdict...all that stuff. 10/10 Would perform my civic duty again (12/10 with rice)
It would be an honor and a privilege to be on Pissbaby Don's jury just to have the opportunity to find him guilty, but I'd have to avoid a for cause strike to do so. Thankfully, part of my autistic skill set is that I happen to be a fantastic liar. I don't lie to people I care about, apart from spinning fantastic tales and then saying, "Naw, I'm just fucking with you. 😏"
For Joe Schmo, rules-based impartiality. For Republican politicians, self-affirmed white supremacists, shit-stirring talking head bigots, and JK Rowling though, get fucked, here come your god-damned consequences.
Hi government please choose me as juror I definitely will not intentionally give him the maximum sentence
The sentence isn't determined by the jury.
I can dream
I agree. Trump has done everything possible to spread his propaganda and poison the jury pool.
That’s why they’re not allowed to ask nix people for being biased.
Everyone already has their opinions. The best they can do is look for people that aren’t dogmatic.
Is it reasonable to think that if his lawyers get even one maga nut on the jury, they'd have to re-try the case?
I am pretty certain jury verdicts have to be unanimous or it's a mistrial, so, yeah, that's a reasonable thing to think
The fact that they are going through social media history makes this significantly less of a risk, but it's still a risk.
There are plenty of stupid people who are not active on social media.
Outside of Lemmy, I'm not on social media... and I like to think of myself as pretty stupid.
Same
On the plus side this is New York, the city that knows him best. And they fucking hate him.
Florida can keep him
The parts of my family that are Trump supporters are all from NYC. I imagine they never have actually met Trump though. I imagine actually meeting him would cure them.
It's up to the government to decide whether or not they re-try a case if there is a hung jury. It's my understanding that most of the time, they do not re-try the case because of the time and effort involved with no guarantee that the outcome would be any different. So usually a hung jury is a victory for the defense.
I'm not a lawyer, that's just my layman's understanding from the legal stuff I've seen and read.
I expect in this case the prosecution would consider it worth the time and expense, but
Hah, get fucked you feckless moron.
I just like that, for the past couple of days, he’s had to sit there and listen to people offer their unfiltered opinions about him as they were entered into the public record. Honestly, I was kinda hoping it’d go on for another day or two so he’d have a rage stroke.
"No one can judge me!" - Donald Trump literally
You know how many times he's asked his lawyers if they could? At least a dozen.
Cant expect any different from the rotten orange pussy
Of course that's what he wants to do. Reject all of them and then have the judge declare a mistrial when they can't seat a full jury.
In bird culture we would call this "being a whiny little bitch"