Cards Against Humanity sues SpaceX, alleges “invasion” of land on US/Mexico border
Cards Against Humanity sued SpaceX yesterday, alleging that Elon Musk's firm illegally took over a plot of land on the US/Mexico border that the party-game company bought in 2017 in an attempt to stymie then-President Trump's attempt to build a wall.
"As part of CAH's 2017 holiday campaign, while Donald Trump was President, CAH created a supporter-funded campaign to take a stand against the building of a Border Wall," said the lawsuit filed in Cameron County District Court in Texas. Cards Against Humanity says it received $15 donations from 150,000 people and used part of that money to buy "a plot of vacant land in Cameron County based upon CAH's promise to 'make it as time-consuming and expensive as possible for Trump to build his wall.'"
Cards Against Humanity says it mowed the land "and maintained it in its natural state, marking the edge of the lot with a fence and a 'No Trespassing' sign." But instead of Trump taking over the land, Cards Against Humanity says the parcel was "interfered with and invaded" by Musk's space company. The lawsuit includes pictures that, according to Cards Against Humanity, show the land when it was first purchased and after SpaceX construction equipment and materials were placed on the land.
So all I take from this is they took your money and did absolutely nothing with it to do anything to protect the land beyond marking it?
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Maybe because you didn’t do anything to actually do what you said…?
One might argue that 'doing nothing' with land was an extremely good way of protecting it, but one would have to be talking to someone who was operating in good faith if they were to bother to do so...
The only way to look after land is to build a parking lot or use it to add another lane to a 32 lane highway.
You can get off with just a fine if you dig up the land and put down lawn turf. The fine is reduced if you use 5 gallons a day of water to keep it green.
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Just buying land does what? Show a presence, if they mowed it how often like they claimed it wouldn’t have gotten that bad before noticing. Put an actual fence on it, what they use? Some stakes a twine? I’m having a discussion so we can figure these details out, what are you doing than insulting someone for trying to talk?
This also is t he first time they failed in their expectations, the hole they dug was a failure, they had to constantly modify their claim because they didn’t realize they rules and regulations regarding making. A safe deep excavation.
I’m trying to discuss in good faith, the fuck is this? I provided a quote to show my particular issue and described it, what part of my comment is not trying to discuss in good faith? If anything you going straight to insulting someone is the one lacking any sort of civility here.
Buying land gives them the legal ownership of it, allowing them to stop others using it.
Why do you assume they need to build something on the land?
The US federal government could simply file for eminent domain on the land (pay the holder what they (feds) deem fair value) and build the wall CAH planned to disrupt.
Their goal was to make it as difficult as possible. Sure eminent domain was a possibility, but they expected it and I imagine planned to fight it.
Elon filed for Eminent Domain?
No I was talking about the base idea of buying land on the border to prevent Trump from building a wall while he was in office.
And how is that relevant to SpaceX using it illegally?
It isn't just as your previous comment on if Elon filed for eminent domain wasn't because that wasn't the subject that comment was addressing.
The comment I originally addressed was on them buying land to stop it from being used. Which CAH did to prevent a Trump admin from building a border wall. I was pointing out how that their actions in that matter didn't suit their intended purpose because of the governments ability to seize private land with compensation for public use.
And if they had been threatened with eminent domain, I am quite sure they would have followed through with their promise. This was to make it as difficult as possible.
I'm not nearly as inventive or funny as those guys but they could have covered every inch in razor wire fifteen feet high, wrapped around rebar and tamped ten feet into the ground every three feet. But I don't think they would do anything that would hurt someone. They would come up with something more difficult and funnier.
Right, and Elon is currently using it, not the US government. So your comment about Eminent Domain is a non sequitur.
The comment you originally addressed said nothing about the US government.
That did a good job didn’t it? Plenty of ample evidence that worked eh?
Did I say they need to build anything on it? How did you get that from my comment?
No, this is that. SpaceX is squatting on their land and they’re suing. That’s how property rights are enforced
Why are you complaining about what they did when it's someone else that illegally used land that they didn't own?
If you own a plot of land you're free to use it by doing fuck all with it, it doesn't give anyone the right to use it and it doesn't mean you're being irresponsible by not doing anything including not putting up a fence, it's other people's responsibility to make sure they respect the limit of the property they own.
Yes that can go on the border, and almost every farmer knows to do this to prevent people like hunters from accidentally using your land.
You can’t just buy land and expect people to not use it, that’s almost negligence for anyone who spent their money expecting CAH to do this, if anything they’ve opened themselves to be sued by the people who spent the money doing this in the first place.
Your thoughts on land ownership are making me chuckle a lil.
Guess what, there's actually a government program in some agricultural areas, that pays landowners money to literally do nothing with their land, so it can act as a sanctuary for wildlife. Doing nothing with land is perfectly legal and sometimes even encouraged.
Now, owning and doing nothing with HOUSES is downright immoral, yet we don't fine those people either.
They put up a No Trespassing sign. With Texas castle laws, idk if they even needed to do that and they can literally shoot trespassers on their property.
Man one of these neighborhoods popped up out of nowhere. A bunch of half million dollar homes with barely any yard, 1 floor, 2 bedrooms 2 bathrooms, no HOA yet every single house has the same damn decorations.
What the absolute fuck is wrong with this country
/edit: lmao.
lol no way 🤣
Nice
Misread the image
Play stupid games, get banned. Lol
Did Trump build his wall on it?
If I buy land, it’s my land. My use (or lack thereof) is of no consequence to anybody; in other words, if I buy land, you can’t use it without my permission.
CAH is not in the wrong here; SpaceX is. Yet you’re victim blaming CAH because you think they’re not doing enough to lay claim to their land?
You’re not arguing in Good Faith. You’re trolling. Good faith would require you actually having understood the situation before making your weak accusations.
Why do conservatives never want to conserve anything?
Not developing land is a good thing for the planet and our species.
You don’t need to develop land to protect it, farmers use fences, it lets people know like hunters to not use their land. You also kinda need a presence, or even your neighbor will use your l as if they notice you’re never there….
You know what lets people know it's your land? A map. Also, county records.
You know how hunters know not to use your land? They don't own it and didn't get permission.
Seriously, have you never met a hunter before? They're not a bunch of morons. They don't want to get fined or arrested or, worse, shot for trespassing.
Also, this is utter nonsense:
The houses on either side of mine are empty. One was foreclosed on, the other's owner died and no one has taken over the house. I wish someone would use their land. At least the grass would get mowed.
There are entire towns that are virtually empty. They don't have people just come in and start illegally developing land and no one cares.
Holy shit I'm glad you're not my neighbor. With your understanding in place I'd go out of town for work and come back to you building a palace for your erotic Lego Luigi sculptures on my porch.
He sounds like a Zio settler. “This property wasn’t used (for 60 seconds), I guess it’s up for grabs. It’s mine now. Fuck you, you should’ve used it.”
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You're not discussing in good faith, you're victim blaming. "If you didn't want SpaceX to dump stuff on your property you should've put a fence up" is victim blaming.
They said they would do anything possible, I’m calling out they did the bare minimum, or less when they said they would do ANYTHING. This is the extremely important detail everyone seems to be ignoring, they PROMISED to do anything possible, which they failed to do.
Just because I have a different opinion or see things in a. Different light doesn’t make me arguing in bad faith, that’s a fallacy people use to derail from their circle jerks.
Good call. Put a fence on the land they bought to prevent Trump from putting a fence on the land.
Just build the fence underground so people can still walk over it. Easy!
You really think a billionaire should be able to take your land and property as long as they think you're not using it correctly? You really want that precedent? That's the kind of country you want to live in? Thats thr kind of freedom you want to enjoy?
It's their land. What more should be required to stop people from dumping their crap on it?
By which I mean, not "what would have stopped them?", as fences, armed guards and tanks may have stopped them.
I mean, "what is the minimum requirement to ensure land isn't filled with other people's, or companies, stuff?"
For me, if they want to store stuff on some land, they should make sure they own it first.
In the heavy construction industry you always make sure you have a local plot of land for idle equipment, material storage, office trailers, etc. before you start a project. You have to pay for that shit though and you generally have to leave it the way you found it or better. You can't just park your equipment on someone else's land and expect everything to be OK. Everyone performing any type of large project knows this. This lawsuit would have happened no matter who owned the land.
Expecting a company that blew up their own rocket pad and falsified EPA documents to think ahead is too much for them apparently.
in many cases large stockpiles have to be permitted. clearing and grubbing usually too. I don't know the rules in texas but imo this seems illegal and like improperly inspected development
You're right, but this is out in the middle of nowhere. I'm not surprised a megacorp would just dump their shit wherever. It's probably cheaper paying the occasional fine or court case than going about it the legal way.
They're suing now. Should they have put up an armed militia?
Well, they are suing the richest man on the planet in order to protect it. That can't be cheap.
Why do you hate property rights?
They put up a fence around it, and now they're suing somebody for trespassing on it.
I don't know why people are downvoting you. At the very least, it seems like they didn't even check on the land for years. Notice it's a 2017 photo and a 2024 one. No progress pics in the middle, no "we told them to stop on X and Y date and here's photos of them continuing".
They abandoned the property for years because all they cared about was squatting on the wall being built, which by having the deed they were doing. They didn't do anything further because that was never their goal.
So honestly, while what Elon did is shitty and illegal, them trying to claim the some moral high ground by acting like it was an environmental sanctuary is disingenuous. In fairness, the original purpose of stopping the wall from being built is STILL being upheld. Elon's not building the wall there as far as I can tell. Just storing junk(that CAD should just scrap and sell since it's abandoned on their lot). Heavy machinery is worth a lot....
Preserving land in its natural state is that simple, not touching it. Trespassing and using someone else's property is illegal. What are you arguing here? I can't just go store shit on my neighbor's back yard and say, well he wasn't using it, and he just didn't want a wall to be built there and I didn't build a wall so its fine
Did I say it wasn't illegal? I literally said it is.
What I'm saying is CAD is pretending they were protecting the environment when in fact all they were doing was squatting a land title. They didn't actually check on the land at all, which is something you might expect of someone who was actually trying to protect the land and wasn't just pulling a big publicity stunt.
So yeah, what I'm saying is the other guy is right: theyre making a big show of saying they care about the land after the fact, but before then did jackcall shit and never even checked on it.
Elon can be a shithead and CAD could have just been doing a publicity stunt. Both can be true
They were planning on using the land legally make trunp struggle to build a wall there and leave it naturalized.
Trunp didn't build a wall on that land and it was still left to be nature. That's pretty much 100% success rate on the desired outcome.
Apparently you may not like nature but that doesn't mean their use of the land was wrong.
They did less than that actually, it’s this premise that they broke and is what I was talking about, they made a claim, they didn’t even do the bare minimum to protect it, when they said they would do anything.
Look at every single discussion that missed this detail and says they did the bare minimum, that’s NOT what they promised to do with the money. Lots of people knew this was marketing and a waste of money, and were pointing this out, they never intended to protect it, just looked everything else they took your money and laughed. And that’s all I said.
Dude. Legal tool.
They are doing that now taking Musk to court. That's the legal tool. They didn't say they would make it a playground.
They promised to buy it and use it as a legal slowdown for idiots.
I don't know what you want here but you are deeply wrong and seem to just be bitter about something.
Nah. They bought the land so they could use it for a promotional event.
And now they are using it for another promotional event.
In all fairness, CAHcorp (whatever their business name is) are pretty much the epitome of "dumbass white liberals". Right down to how they are so adamant about "humor" that is just white guys saying racial slurs and talking about dead babies and thinking it is the funniest shit ever. So I can easily see them thinking that just owning the land was all they needed to do because nobody would ever violate the law or ignore their rights.
I mean, just look at all the replies that boil down to Arthur the aardvark saying "but musk broke the rules!!!"
Also: This never really would have stopped trump's wall. Eminent domain would have kicked in (basically what spacex tried) and they would have gotten a pennies on the dollar check and told to go fuck themselves.
Can 100% tell you've never actually played the game.
You have to have friends to play it
They are suing the people who violated the law and ignored their rights right now. What should they have done instead?
I used your dead baby's finger to type this comment. It was hard at first but then I realized I just had to cut off the rest of the baby and just use the finger. I was tired, cut me some slack.
Wait this isn't your baby... it's... impossible... A virgin birth! Hallelujah!
I'm sorry they didn't patrol on their high horse to gate keep their land
Thats literally what they promised to do with the money they fleeced from people though….
I'm sorry, do they have a cavalry?
They could rent one, or patrol it more often than they did. They made a claim, and failed to follow through on it, and this isn’t the first time.
Are you literally refreshing for my reply? Jesus fucking Christ. You guys are insufferable, and have unrealistic expectations. Enjoy always being disappointed in life and may you stub your toe on the way to the bathroom every night
Ironic considering how fast you responded to me.
And I’ve only pointed out that there was more they could have done, and they claimed they would do anything.
I’m sorry that trying to have a conversation about this upsets you so, but why do people always try to derail conversations that don’t align with their (in this case) objectively wrong views? There is a hell of a lot more they could have done to protect the land, and they claimed they would, and failed on that. Why does this upset you so much?