What is *love*?
inb4 "Baby, don't hurt me."
But for real...what do people mean when they say "I love you," or "Do you love them?" I'm really confused by this because love seems to have such a varying definition. People say love for all sorts of things, and it seems like everyone else understands which definition they're using in the moment. Here are some examples in which each one has a different meaning:
- I love pancakes.
- I love my mother.
- I love my romantic partner.
- I love my best friend.
- I love my career.
- I love going to the beach.
- My dog loves me.
- That couple is in love.
- Where is the love?
Background: I recently saw an episode of a show (spoiler below) where there was an adolescent heterosexual couple. The girl had a female best friend that she kissed, and is now confused about what she wants. She told her boyfriend about it. The boyfriend then asked her, "Do you love her?" What is he asking? If love means attachment and care, then clearly she does because that's her best friend. However, since that is so clear, he's not asking that. What is he asking??
Another specification is when people ask "Do you love them, or are you in love with them?"
I am confused by this term and the whole concept in general. I think I could really use some clarification, examples, or how to know which definition someone is going with when they use it.
::: spoiler Name of show The show is Atypical on Netflix. :::
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I was going to say 42.
Don't worry. We can still do the club dance where we bash their body back and forth between us using our chests to throw them around, making them spill their overpriced club drink!
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English is kind of weak in this arena because we only have one word for love, but we can modify it to be more useful: romantic love and fraternal love. Any other use stems from these two, and will basically boil down to "I like ___a lot."
"In love" means romantic love, I think. You want to spend your life with this person, probably every day, will overlook their faults and are enamored with the things they do, the way their brain works, etc.
Thank you. Agreed this is more an English language issue.
Between people it should be (in love ) โ โIโm (in love ) with youโ. Rather than โI love (like being around) youโ
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Baby, don't hurt me? ๐คท๐ผโโ๏ธ
Are you guys brothers?
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I love carpet!
Found the one who doesn't shave or trim......down there.....
I think of romantic love as what follows infatuation, if you get there. The continued slow burn of lust, affection and respect for each other.
Friendly love is care, when you would let yourself be hurt to save a specific other person from being hurt, and are willing to be inconvenienced to do things for them, and trust enough to inconvenience them if you need something.
Agape - love, love for the world, is both easier and harder to feel. It's easier to not be annoyed by things and people you don't personally know, but hard to care so much about them. That universal love feeling , the joy of existence and care for the natural world is also love.
So yeah English in this regard just doesn't have (or doesn't use) different words for different types of love but they are different.
I think "The continued slowburn of lust,affection and respect" is highly accurate while 'keepin' it realยฎ'
Ancient Greeks had a whole pile of words for love of different kinds.
Philo, eros, agape, and I canโt remember the fourth one.
Baby do-oh...
Never mind.
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You explained it all. What is your question.
Many people use the word without reflecting on how they mean to use it. Iโve seen many a relationship fight indirectly over the ambiguity.
Different cultures have different takes but greek and Latin define different forms of love. From impulsive maddening love (why cupids arrow was seen so harmful) to dutiful love (the kind made through obligations made through shared commitments and aspirations) to brotherly love (trauma bonds, solidarity, commitment made from shared respect). There is also paternalistic love formed from empathy and a desire to protect. And of course love to describe the deep joy something gives you and desire to have it again.
When they ask "do you love her?" Based on the context I assume either or both love as a desire for the other or dutiful love, because both can be consuming for many and mean they would struggle to have that the capacity to share that same level of love with their current partner.
If they don't and it was an act of lust* or curiosity then they're partner may feel more comfortable with the commitment to them.
Baby don't hurt me.
Love is action.
You donโt feel love, you show it and recognize when itโs been shown to you. Saying you love someone is just words, but showing you love someone by listening when they need someone to listen or helping them in some other way is proof of love.
This :)
For love as a standalone word, "value" is the most drop-in-compatible word. To say "i love you" is to say "i value you".
The form of "in love" is a far greater mystery to me, and i usually just consider the speaker to mean something like "obsessed" or "infatuated".
It's how we bundle together stuff we enjoy with sexual desire and sell it as moral goodness.
Howard Jones did a pretty good song dealing with this exact issue in the 80s
I think this is a pretty good definition. Heard it on an episode of This American Life. Note that it's not just about romantic love, but other kinds as well.
I think it means you would go above and beyond for the object of your love.
Also I heard this somewhere and I agree: "Being loved gives you strength. Loving someone gives you courage."
I do not know where you heard that but that's a fantastic quote. I love you.
I don't know. I don't think I've ever felt it.
I too donโt feel love; as in I there is not a physiological sensation that I can point to that is distinct for โloveโ. I know what sadness and anger feel like. I know what it feels like to disassociate from trauma. But I do not have a physical reaction to love.
I do, however, notice my attitude and behavior toward the things and people I love. I am kinder, more gentle, excited to be with, and would do just about anything for them. I prefer their company over being alone. And even if Iโm mad at them, I still โloveโ them because I still want to be around them.
Maybe Iโm weird and broken or something. I donโt know. But I used to worry that I didnโt have the capacity for love like society suggested I should. But then I realized that I do genuinely love things, even if I canโt feel it.
I have heard it said (this might help you) that love is a verb; it is an action, can be something you do more than something you feel. You can show love, without worrying about what you are 'supposed' to feel. Also if it helps - I am, as far as I know, pretty normal, and the feeling is not a bash you over the head certainty. It is more like a decision, in a way.
Buddhism defines metta as loving kindness, which also requires understanding because if we don't understand another person's needs it's difficult to be loving and kind towards them.
In the show, what the person was trying to say is, I am feeling insecure that you may be more attached to her than you are to me. I.e., I'm scared you're going to leave me for her.
Which is what we generally mean by love in our culture. At least what we mean by romantic love. A sense of attachment to the other person.
This isn't always a bad thing. I can be a little shy so when I am in public I tend to show a lot of attachment to my girlfriend, at least until I get comfortable in the space. But it can be a bad thing, if someone is so attached that they let it get in the way of treating their partner with kindness. Act manipulative or aggressive when the person pulls away, for example.
My son always says i love you to his family and friends when leaving or ending a phone call. Then he started dating one of his friends and he felt like he had to stop saying it so she didn't think he meant he loved her. They had a conversation, agreed that the dating was just casual, and went back to saying i love you.
Loving someone means caring about them deeply. Being in love with someone means you also care deeply about them but you also can't and don't want to imagine your life without them. It also means they're the only person you want to be intimate with and you'd rather not be intimate at all with anyone, if it's not them.
At least that's what it means to me.
It's more a feeling than anything else, it's very visceral, once you've felt it you just know what it means. It's like those butterflies in your stomach, your heart beating fast, your breath catching in your chest.
It's not like that for everyone and it sounds cheesy but it's true.
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Love means feeling like the characteristics of someone or something inspire ease.
Love is when you'll still do something even if it's 100% not what you want to do because it'll make them happy
Downvote me for asking the Google Assistant (I know Lemminos despise Google), but this is what it had to say:
"Love seems like one of the most important things people can share."
Ask your mother about my cock?
To love ___ means to care for ___ a lot.
Everything else is semantics or the common linguistic inaccuracy of multiple definitions for a single word.