This is just survivorship bias. Nobody remembers the bad movies from the 80s but there sure were a lot of them. Think of all the movies you pass by in the thrift store. They’re trash. We still get good movies today. Think of Everything Everywhere All At Once, or Oppenheimer, as examples that will define this era in film.
Nobody remembers the bad movies from the 80s but there sure were a lot of them.
Bologna! There's a whole community practically dedicated to the terrible movies of the 80's over at B Movie Bonanza. :P
That's where I get all my movie recommendations. I've seen most of them but once in a while I find a new one and get way too excited.
I love garbage movies.
If you haven't seen it, since you like garbage movies, check out Trash Humpers.
I've never watched it except for several clips at a local dive bar, where they have the movie on replay on small TVs around the bar. I think there are even sequels!
Okayyy you have a point; I'm just referring to the general public.
Focusing solely on the movie-going experience, I would love to live in a city like LA or NYC where they have a few theaters with added technological features, like 70mm IMAX and/or 4K projectors and/or rumble seats (those must have been amazing with something like Mad Max: Fury Road).
There's at least one 60FPS theater in NYC, it must be wild to watch a film like that just by itself, or even WILDER, in 3D.
But I believe there are a few theaters in Asia - probably in places like Singapore and Shanghai, but don't quote me on that - that screened Ang Lee's "Gemini Man" in the incredible-sounding combination of 120FPS in 4K and 3D, they said it was like the screen dissolved and you were watching the action happening through a huge rectangular hole in the wall.
I understand resolution improvements but I don't understand the push for higher framerate for film. In real life motion is blurred when things move, the higher the framerate the less of that you see.
For me it's awful, the "soap opera" effect or whatever else they call it kills me, like I'm seeing a cgi picture even when I know everything was captured in camera.
24-30fps is the sweet spot for film and TV imho, I have yet to see a good argument for watching regular real time footage at a higher frame rate.
(To be clear - of course high speed footage for super slo mo and all of that has plenty of cool applications)
No, survivorship bias is real, but this is late stage capitalism. Disney owns it all, and the occasional worthwhile film sneaks under their writing by committee bullshit
There's plenty of good movies that future generations would happily watch... But proportionally? The number of movies made a year has exploded, the number that make an impression for even a year has dwindled
This is true as well. I won’t disagree that there’s nuance here. But still, I think most people have cognitive distortions around the state of every media industry. With the huge rise of Disney and Netflix running the industry, we now see more independent films and new studios taking up the slack. Just like how we’ve had great indie games lately but the mainstream AAA stuff just isn’t impressing the same way. Think of the original couple of assassins creed games and compare them to the new ones. Sure there’s more content, but there’s not as much innovation going on.
I think that just supports my point, that rather than survivorship bias this is a small group of companies owning the entire industry, and movies are just actually getting worse
Gaming is going through the same thing with Microsoft now owning most of the industry, but 1-5 people can make an indie game without leaving the house. There's also a number of non-shittified stores for distribution, meanwhile media and streaming services are firmly in the stages of enshitification
I don't think indie movies will be able to take over the way indie games seem to be - not without the streaming industry changing first
I think the streaming industry is dying. This is a bit of a darker era in movie history, especially with the strikes and exploitation, but it will pass.
I've seen one good movie in the last 10 years 😂
Go watch better movies then
THEY DON'T MAKE THEM ANYMORE
I hope you find joy in your life. Maybe collecting old movies? :D
I have joy in other areas of my life, but thank you for the unsolicited concern 😂
Robot Dreams
Parasite
Poor Things
Everything, Everywhere, All at Once
Asteroid City
Last Stop in Yuma County
Just some of my favourites from recent years.
Some people have lower standards than others
YES THEY DO
BULLSHIT
Wind River, Fall, ...
Which one?
Late Night with the Devil
Wow, is it that good? It hasn't premiered in my country, but it does look promising.
Best movie I've seen in a long time! Sail the high seas to get it if you have to 😉
Lol I can't believe I missed it was already available for streaming. I have a Plex server, so I'll watch it tonight. Thanks for the heads-up!
Then you don't seek out movies that you would enjoy, not exactly a flex but I understand if it's just not your thing.
Sorry if I like to enjoy a movie when I watch one
You should apologize to yourself for not seeking out better movies, they are out there you just gotta do the work a little more than in the old days.
The Regal theater here is letting all their projectors go to shit 😡
I have a spreadsheet going of which theater numbers we need to avoid seeing a movie in because the projector is missing the color red and other such issues.
Whoa I thought you were exaggerating, but that's pretty bad. I would just show black and white movies in that theatre
That would still look like shit if a colour channel is missing
Yeah, everything will look cyan if the projector can't put out red.
Ah shows what I know. I thought it just wouldn't be used
Last Regal I went to had to replay the after-credits scene 4 times due to the projector restarting.
I have a spreadsheet
That's some dedication.
I am quite upset about my lack of quality movie-going options
That’s surprising, the regal theater by me is by far the nicest and they do a good job of keeping it that way.
The competing theater closed around 3 years ago, so the Regal got complacent and has been downhill since then.
The quality line shouldn’t be so straight! Lots of excellent new big budget sci fi this year (PotA, Mad Max, Dune, quiet place, Alien soon) and even some non sequel/prequel ones (Wild Robot, Megapolis, Slingshot). The PRICES to go and get a bucket of popcorn and a drink to share have started to approach undoable though.
I haven't been to a movie theater since 2009. What makes them so special nowadays? I've been tempted to go but it's hard to beat my setup at home.
Not everyone has a good setup at home and people want to go out.
Nothing makes them special. The picture quality is worse than my setup at home (I have a 65" HDR OLED TV.) You're sitting with like 100 people in a large room, half of whom are caughing nonstop and probably have covid. The food is disgusting and overpriced. The price of tickets are ridiculous now. The audio is WAY too loud. Like seriously, way too fucking loud. I had to cover my ears during the previews last time I went. Pretty sure the volume was legit hearing damage level. I see no good reason to go to a theater ever. They're trash.
The only benefit the theater has over my living room (5.1 setup) is the dolby atmos or whatever setup. But you can't even appreciate it because they blast the volume at ear drum shattering levels.
What makes them so special nowadays?
I guess they are much emptier these days which might make them somewhat bearable.
@Kit It's just a different experience to see the picture on a bigger screen.
But why has the quality gone up over the years, as shown in the graph?
Cushioned, motorized reclining seats with footrests. Thick armrests so that you have a little personal space from your neighbors. And, they still got the drink holders. Quite different than the cheaper plastic seats from two decades ago.
And all that for only $40 a ticket! What a deal.
The luxury one my wife and I go to is in the rich part of a Californian town: 13 for matinee and 20 for most other time slots
I've never seen a movie ticket go for more than 25 anywhere but IMAX or for an incredibly special showing of something
I literally just got a ticket for Deadpool. $34.76 after taxes and fees. I'm not pulling this shit out of my ass. I love movies, but theater prices are getting insane for not a lot better of an experience from my home theater at this point.
It's getting harder and harder to justify, sadly.
Yeah I'm not sure that's the norm. My theater prices are more in life ne with the person you're replying to. I love in the Midwest.
Id like to add in on this, there are more dine in theaters than there use to be. Big one in my area would be thluie Alamo Draft House. Quality isnt what it use to be, but is still better than most.
They also tend to reshow alot of older movies, will never forget seeing the original Predator movie and they were handing you a kids cap gun with a pack of the round ring of ammo on your way to the seats.
Yeaaaah, that's really not that common. In many places the only thing that's been going up is the price (also the amount of ads before the movie)
Well, for one the volume has gone up.
I have a 65" oled tv. Pretty sure my tv has better picture quality than the movie theater. I'd much rather prefer to watch at home and not have to sit near 100 people coughing, thank you very much.
Also the quality of food at the dine-in theaters is disgusting. I ordered a chicken sandwich from my local theater earlier this year (went to see dune 2) and immediately felt nauseous and had to shit.
"Back in my day" post, if I've ever seen one.
Jokes on you (meme) I only go to the theatres for old movies and indies these days
Really? I think it’s the opposite.
Lots of good content (possibly more improvements in shows than movies) and yet the theatres are shit. Expensive, bad projector quality, sticky floors and no arm rest room (got to share that).
All while my home theatre has improved to a whole new level.
I'd understand (not agree with but understand) why they would rather have more seats per row instead of more arm rest space in a constantly busy, close-to-full theatre. Maybe I'm just not visiting the "right ones" but it's been a while since I saw one above 70-80% capacity.
Most cities have torn down or sliced up the old movie palaces. They really were magnificent, especially when you realize that movies used to be cheap entertainment. Five cents would let you walk into a wonderland.
Cinemas are best for dates. They often provide a moment for a kiss to be shared. Sometimes I wouldn't even care about the movie.
Why would you need to pay for a cinema ticket, just to hide a kiss without being seen.
Is this the 1950s!?
No, that's not it. Movies with romantic moments ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Porno theatres?!
Again, are you in the 1960's?
Didn't he...like.. do nothing wrong?
Yet is made fun of.. for consentual sexual acts.
America is fucked up man..
Kinda? As a kid when this happened, I really didn't understand the point of porn theaters if you couldn't yank it out. The cops just wanted to arrest a bunch of gay men and did so.
oh, I was fact checking and found this gem.
Bill Cosby defended Reubens, saying "Whatever (Reubens has) done, this is being blown all out of proportion."
I mean, yeah. I guess Cosby would know that jerking it in an adult theater isn't really all that bad compared to what else is going on.
It's the other way around
I don't actually like those big recliners they have in movie theaters. They're too plush to be comfortable (if that makes sense) and the droning whine of the electric motor is annoying when someone adjusts their seat during a screening.
This is just survivorship bias. Nobody remembers the bad movies from the 80s but there sure were a lot of them. Think of all the movies you pass by in the thrift store. They’re trash. We still get good movies today. Think of Everything Everywhere All At Once, or Oppenheimer, as examples that will define this era in film.
Bologna! There's a whole community practically dedicated to the terrible movies of the 80's over at B Movie Bonanza. :P
That's where I get all my movie recommendations. I've seen most of them but once in a while I find a new one and get way too excited.
I love garbage movies.
If you haven't seen it, since you like garbage
movies, check out Trash Humpers.I've never watched it except for several clips at a local dive bar, where they have the movie on replay on small TVs around the bar. I think there are even sequels!
Okayyy you have a point; I'm just referring to the general public.
Focusing solely on the movie-going experience, I would love to live in a city like LA or NYC where they have a few theaters with added technological features, like 70mm IMAX and/or 4K projectors and/or rumble seats (those must have been amazing with something like Mad Max: Fury Road).
There's at least one 60FPS theater in NYC, it must be wild to watch a film like that just by itself, or even WILDER, in 3D.
But I believe there are a few theaters in Asia - probably in places like Singapore and Shanghai, but don't quote me on that - that screened Ang Lee's "Gemini Man" in the incredible-sounding combination of 120FPS in 4K and 3D, they said it was like the screen dissolved and you were watching the action happening through a huge rectangular hole in the wall.
I understand resolution improvements but I don't understand the push for higher framerate for film. In real life motion is blurred when things move, the higher the framerate the less of that you see.
For me it's awful, the "soap opera" effect or whatever else they call it kills me, like I'm seeing a cgi picture even when I know everything was captured in camera.
24-30fps is the sweet spot for film and TV imho, I have yet to see a good argument for watching regular real time footage at a higher frame rate.
(To be clear - of course high speed footage for super slo mo and all of that has plenty of cool applications)
No, survivorship bias is real, but this is late stage capitalism. Disney owns it all, and the occasional worthwhile film sneaks under their writing by committee bullshit
There's plenty of good movies that future generations would happily watch... But proportionally? The number of movies made a year has exploded, the number that make an impression for even a year has dwindled
This is true as well. I won’t disagree that there’s nuance here. But still, I think most people have cognitive distortions around the state of every media industry. With the huge rise of Disney and Netflix running the industry, we now see more independent films and new studios taking up the slack. Just like how we’ve had great indie games lately but the mainstream AAA stuff just isn’t impressing the same way. Think of the original couple of assassins creed games and compare them to the new ones. Sure there’s more content, but there’s not as much innovation going on.
I think that just supports my point, that rather than survivorship bias this is a small group of companies owning the entire industry, and movies are just actually getting worse
Gaming is going through the same thing with Microsoft now owning most of the industry, but 1-5 people can make an indie game without leaving the house. There's also a number of non-shittified stores for distribution, meanwhile media and streaming services are firmly in the stages of enshitification
I don't think indie movies will be able to take over the way indie games seem to be - not without the streaming industry changing first
I think the streaming industry is dying. This is a bit of a darker era in movie history, especially with the strikes and exploitation, but it will pass.
I've seen one good movie in the last 10 years 😂
Go watch better movies then
THEY DON'T MAKE THEM ANYMORE
I hope you find joy in your life. Maybe collecting old movies? :D
I have joy in other areas of my life, but thank you for the unsolicited concern 😂
Robot Dreams
Parasite
Poor Things
Everything, Everywhere, All at Once
Asteroid City
Last Stop in Yuma County
Just some of my favourites from recent years.
Some people have lower standards than others
YES THEY DO
BULLSHIT
Wind River, Fall, ...
Which one?
Late Night with the Devil
Wow, is it that good? It hasn't premiered in my country, but it does look promising.
Best movie I've seen in a long time! Sail the high seas to get it if you have to 😉
Lol I can't believe I missed it was already available for streaming. I have a Plex server, so I'll watch it tonight. Thanks for the heads-up!
Then you don't seek out movies that you would enjoy, not exactly a flex but I understand if it's just not your thing.
Sorry if I like to enjoy a movie when I watch one
You should apologize to yourself for not seeking out better movies, they are out there you just gotta do the work a little more than in the old days.
The Regal theater here is letting all their projectors go to shit 😡
I have a spreadsheet going of which theater numbers we need to avoid seeing a movie in because the projector is missing the color red and other such issues.
Whoa I thought you were exaggerating, but that's pretty bad. I would just show black and white movies in that theatre
That would still look like shit if a colour channel is missing
Yeah, everything will look cyan if the projector can't put out red.
Ah shows what I know. I thought it just wouldn't be used
Last Regal I went to had to replay the after-credits scene 4 times due to the projector restarting.
That's some dedication.
I am quite upset about my lack of quality movie-going options
That’s surprising, the regal theater by me is by far the nicest and they do a good job of keeping it that way.
The competing theater closed around 3 years ago, so the Regal got complacent and has been downhill since then.
The quality line shouldn’t be so straight! Lots of excellent new big budget sci fi this year (PotA, Mad Max, Dune, quiet place, Alien soon) and even some non sequel/prequel ones (Wild Robot, Megapolis, Slingshot). The PRICES to go and get a bucket of popcorn and a drink to share have started to approach undoable though.
I haven't been to a movie theater since 2009. What makes them so special nowadays? I've been tempted to go but it's hard to beat my setup at home.
Not everyone has a good setup at home and people want to go out.
Nothing makes them special. The picture quality is worse than my setup at home (I have a 65" HDR OLED TV.) You're sitting with like 100 people in a large room, half of whom are caughing nonstop and probably have covid. The food is disgusting and overpriced. The price of tickets are ridiculous now. The audio is WAY too loud. Like seriously, way too fucking loud. I had to cover my ears during the previews last time I went. Pretty sure the volume was legit hearing damage level. I see no good reason to go to a theater ever. They're trash.
The only benefit the theater has over my living room (5.1 setup) is the dolby atmos or whatever setup. But you can't even appreciate it because they blast the volume at ear drum shattering levels.
I guess they are much emptier these days which might make them somewhat bearable.
@Kit It's just a different experience to see the picture on a bigger screen.
But why has the quality gone up over the years, as shown in the graph?
Cushioned, motorized reclining seats with footrests. Thick armrests so that you have a little personal space from your neighbors. And, they still got the drink holders. Quite different than the cheaper plastic seats from two decades ago.
And all that for only $40 a ticket! What a deal.
The luxury one my wife and I go to is in the rich part of a Californian town: 13 for matinee and 20 for most other time slots
I've never seen a movie ticket go for more than 25 anywhere but IMAX or for an incredibly special showing of something
I literally just got a ticket for Deadpool. $34.76 after taxes and fees. I'm not pulling this shit out of my ass. I love movies, but theater prices are getting insane for not a lot better of an experience from my home theater at this point.
It's getting harder and harder to justify, sadly.
Yeah I'm not sure that's the norm. My theater prices are more in life ne with the person you're replying to. I love in the Midwest.
Id like to add in on this, there are more dine in theaters than there use to be. Big one in my area would be thluie Alamo Draft House. Quality isnt what it use to be, but is still better than most. They also tend to reshow alot of older movies, will never forget seeing the original Predator movie and they were handing you a kids cap gun with a pack of the round ring of ammo on your way to the seats.
Yeaaaah, that's really not that common. In many places the only thing that's been going up is the price (also the amount of ads before the movie)
Well, for one the volume has gone up.
I have a 65" oled tv. Pretty sure my tv has better picture quality than the movie theater. I'd much rather prefer to watch at home and not have to sit near 100 people coughing, thank you very much.
Also the quality of food at the dine-in theaters is disgusting. I ordered a chicken sandwich from my local theater earlier this year (went to see dune 2) and immediately felt nauseous and had to shit.
"Back in my day" post, if I've ever seen one.
Jokes on you (meme) I only go to the theatres for old movies and indies these days
Really? I think it’s the opposite.
Lots of good content (possibly more improvements in shows than movies) and yet the theatres are shit. Expensive, bad projector quality, sticky floors and no arm rest room (got to share that).
All while my home theatre has improved to a whole new level.
I'd understand (not agree with but understand) why they would rather have more seats per row instead of more arm rest space in a constantly busy, close-to-full theatre. Maybe I'm just not visiting the "right ones" but it's been a while since I saw one above 70-80% capacity.
Most cities have torn down or sliced up the old movie palaces. They really were magnificent, especially when you realize that movies used to be cheap entertainment. Five cents would let you walk into a wonderland.
https://www.vulture.com/2015/01/loews-kings-theater-renovation-photos.html
Cinemas are best for dates. They often provide a moment for a kiss to be shared. Sometimes I wouldn't even care about the movie.
Why would you need to pay for a cinema ticket, just to hide a kiss without being seen. Is this the 1950s!?
No, that's not it. Movies with romantic moments ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Porno theatres?!
Again, are you in the 1960's?
Didn't he...like.. do nothing wrong?
Yet is made fun of.. for consentual sexual acts.
America is fucked up man..
Kinda? As a kid when this happened, I really didn't understand the point of porn theaters if you couldn't yank it out. The cops just wanted to arrest a bunch of gay men and did so.
oh, I was fact checking and found this gem.
I mean, yeah. I guess Cosby would know that jerking it in an adult theater isn't really all that bad compared to what else is going on.
It's the other way around
I don't actually like those big recliners they have in movie theaters. They're too plush to be comfortable (if that makes sense) and the droning whine of the electric motor is annoying when someone adjusts their seat during a screening.