Putin issues a nuclear warning to the West over Ukraine

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Proposals had been made to change Russia's nuclear doctrine to allow for attacking any non-nuclear state that had the participation or support of a nuclear state, Putin said.

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So how many warnings are we up to now?

I'll believe him when he's windmilling his pitiful pud and frothing at the mouth. Maybe. 🖕🏼

Ukraine's apparently responded:

https://kyivindependent.com/putin-suggests-number-of-changes-to-russias-nuclear-doctrine/

The head of the Presidential Office, Andriy Yermak, responded to Putin's statements by saying that "Russia has nothing else but nuclear blackmail, no other tools to intimidate the world."

"These tools will not work," he added.

no tools

Its the same thing with narc parents. They got nothing but the roof over your head so all day they make threats about it. They abuse the tiniest bit of power incessantly to create a dopamine skinner box of a life for themselves

Then when you age out and never call them they wonder why it is you don't.

LOL, that ammunition dump explosion must have really burned him.

Which one?

Here's one video talking about it: https://youtu.be/NdPjS3EvcFU

There videos of actual expressions which were spectacular.

The biggest one registered as 2.8 rather on Richter scale

Ukrainians destroyed it just as the ammunition from North Korea arrived.

Edit: here's the video of the explosion https://youtu.be/igdgA-LHZHU

Ahh I'm sorry to waste your time, I know about them. I just meant to say "there's more than one!"

It's hard to take joy from anything in this war, but seeing the Kremlin's ammunition lighting up the sky with a thousand foot fireball, knowing it would save many Ukrainian lives, was incredible. Some of the craters in the satellite photos are very impressive.

There were three in three or four days, though the first depot, at Toropets, was the most-significant.

At least the first involved a substantial number of Ukranian long-range UAVs -- I saw "about 100" quoted in coverage of it -- and given that this current statement references large UAV or missile strikes and comes shortly after those, I guess that it might indeed be in response to those.

EDIT:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2024/09/18/russia-may-have-stockpiled-its-best-missiles-at-an-arsenal-in-the-town-of-toropets-which-is-why-ukraine-just-blew-it-up-with-100-drones/

That so many of Russia’s best munitions were reportedly concentrated in a single location explains why Ukraine devoted such a large force to the attack. RBC-Ukraine claimed more than 100 drones were involved—potentially making the Toropets raid the biggest Ukrainian strike on a target inside Russia since Russia widened its war on Ukraine 30 months ago.

and here:

“The conditions for Russia’s transition to the use of nuclear weapons are also clearly fixed,” Putin said, adding that Moscow would consider such a move if it detected the start of a massive launch of missiles, aircraft, or drones against it.

I hope the speculation about them hitting missiles is right. Much harder to replace them than artillery shells or small arms ammunition.

Ukraine is not attacking Russia. It's a counter attack.

Stopping those is easy with this 1 simple trick

I mean, the lesson here is to give Ukraine back the nukes we traded them in exchange for guarantees of territorial integrity in the Budapest memorandum.

We failed, we did not protect your territory, we admit we failed.

So have some nukes with irbms and TERs as a consolation prize.

Damn putin, you sure outsmarted us...

None of their nukes will ever get off the launching pad before exploding harmlessly. These empty threats ring hollow, as always.

They just had a catastrophic failure when they tried to rattle their saber recently. They can't even launch a single ICBM for intimidation.

That was testing a new missile, so not exactly the same thing. It still doesn't inspire confidence, and the maintenance levels of the rest of their military doesn't inspire confidence in the readiness of their existing nuclear arsenal.

As someone said; he rattled that sabre so much it's all dull now.

I think we've established at this point the Russian military is more of a pointy stick than a sabre

Putin issues a nuclear warning #5285 to the West over Ukraine

FTFY

Also: why won't you just let me play land grab and genocide? Why won't you just let me fuck people over? Why won't you just let me be a genocidal maniac when I want to? You're all a bunch of party poopers!

I suppose "any non-nuclear state" here is intended to be read as "Ukraine".

At the moment? Yes.

But Pootie-Boo there never meant to stop with just Ukraine. Which is why NATO was expanding so much so quick.

Mutually assured destruction was supposed to be a deterrent to anyone using nukes. Not to enable an aggressor force to do what they want without repercussions out of fear that they would use nukes. If they use nukes, at a minimum they'll no longer exist. Probably along with the rest of us.

MAD exists between two nuclear armies. If you nuke us we'll nuke you back. Ukraine gave up it's nukes (from the Soviet era). No country will ever make that mistake again.

It's still a deterrent, just not here.

4 more...

Yes, because policy is what is stopping him. That makes so much sense. (/s)

I just dont get it. The man rules the world's largest country by landmass and is richer than the richest people in the universe, what the fuck are you going to do with more land like Ukraine. More importantly, why do so many people have to die for it. And how the fuck are you so incapable of admiting being in the wrong that you threten to nuke the whole world. Why are people in power like this.

Aside from nationalistic pride, there are several practical reasons:

  1. Azof sea + Crimean peninsula are a natural chockepoint for Russia's exports from the river Don, basically all Russia's black sea inports and exports pass though there

  2. Donbass is incredibly rich in mineral resources

  3. Ukraine's ports are where the largest Soviet Union ships were built, Russia can't build larger frigades/aircraft carriers without Ukraine's facilities (mainly Mykolaiv port I believe).

  4. The dominance over the black sea is extremely important for Russia, as it may affect both its nuclear deterrence and its control over Georgia which opens the gates to central asia (yes Turkey is in Nato but it plays its own game)

Also consider that Russia started the war hoping for a quick ukrainian capitulation, so they would have absorbed the hugely important ukrainian aerospace industry, and its massive farming industry.

They probably 'just' want the Donbass and the coast now, so the last point is no longer relevant, but it played a role in deciding to push forward with the invasion.

At some point the argument that consolidating more oil and pushing for more gas/oil monopoly would have been part of the play. But now, any unbelievably mediocre economist would just say the roi is somewhere 5 generations in the future (if at all) and the sunken cost fallacy is raping Russia liberally through all echelons.

Not really saying there is logic to the madness, other than some internal motivations (apart from delusions of grandeur imperialistic pursuits).

attacking any non-nuclear state that had the participation or support of a nuclear state, Putin said.

This is also how you get Australia to start seriously considering a nuclear arsenal.

"I'm rubber, you're glue. what you do bounces off me and sticks to you."

that's basically what he said.

what a desperate little bitch. he can't win against a war with a well stocked and trained army so now he has to resort to threats he can barely deliver on.

your threats are 1 out of 6 stars you basic bitch.

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Dose he know we make fun of him every time he says the line?

O shit! Well! I'll see your nuclear warning and raise you a "I'm about to fart" warning.

Putin is paranoid and insane.

If he ever pushes the button and the Russian soldier "following orders" all of them will stand trial at the ICC for war-crimes against humanity and the entire-planet earth.

The first nation that attempts at launching nukes success-or-failure will get crushed by the rest of the world.

Nuclear-Mutually-Assured-Total-Destruction is not a joke. It is reality we live in everyday.

Baseless fear mongering

"Everyone has a plan until they are punched in the mouth"

I rest my case when people say:

baseless fear mongering

I have no idea what on earth you're trying to convey. It's like you typed English but failed to provide any syntax.

Have we not been here before?

Happy cake day also I’ve stopped counting the amount of times he’s done this.

We issue a Sunffaluffakus warning don't make us release the Sunffaluffakus