Im going to get banned for this

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No Christmas presents for op this year.

"He sees you when you're sleeping, he knows when you're awake, he's copied on /var/spool/mail/root, so be good for goodness' sake."

Its merely off topic, Windows isn't Unix. OSX is, though only loosely.

OSX is, though only loosely.

MacOS is definitely Unix. Same syscalls, same command line, same permissions and virtual filesystem concepts. Pipes, text files, all that jazz. It uses zsh for scripting, PAM for authentication, CUPS for printing, OpenSSH for remote access, Unix sockets and virtual interfaces for networking.

Hell, a good chunk of macOS is straight up FreeBSD.

Perfect examples of why OSX is an Unix-like just like GNU/Linux. It's got a shared history with the original Unix, but isn't literally Unix. This community is around Unix-likes, and under the Unix-like banner, I'd gladly welcome ReactOS. WSL isn't in the spirit of it though.

OSX has been on a number of occasions actively hostile towards FLOSS as well (particularly anything GPL), which in the last decades, have become synonymous with Unix-likes, though that's a matter of personal taste. What isn't a matter of taste however, is that OSX uses the XNU kernel, which is an acronym for X is Not Unix. It is not a monolithic Unix style kernel either. I would argue that OSX is only loosely Unix-like, and only mimics Unix functions for compatibility. Should Apple have the inclination, they would happily abandon it for something invented by them given the opportunity.

Not picking a fight with you over semantics, I just loathe Apple as a business and Microsoft gets a lot of flack for their old "Embrace Extend Extinguish" policies when Apple has been exceptionally hostile towards OSS. Apple so often gets a pass when being considered a part of Unix communities yet they absolutely do not embrace the spirit of Unix-likes and FLOSS at all.

It's a nit to be sure. Microsoft's insistence on PowerShell nowhere and never is beyond mystifying. Apple at least wraps it's XNU in "standard" libs + shells. WSL is a pile of flaming trash, a footnote to an afterthought.

With MacOS, Terminal is x-term'ish, shell is zsh, and ls is ls OOTB. It's easy to see why people get confused.

With Windows, there is no terminal, Powershell is an alien quagmire, and ls is Get-ChildItem. It's easy to see why people get confused :)

Wsl is the bare minimum to make me feel less uncomfortable on windows, even if it's just for file operations and to ssh into a real computer.

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Wsl gets close :P but of course that's not what we're looking at here

Linux isn't Unix though. Not even a little. You better be running bsd to claim you are a Unix os.

Linux isn't unix either, at best unix-like :/.Spirit wise its probably offtopic though.

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We have your IP address, your GeoLocation, cameras are monitoring you now.
You will be dealt with!

i dont think that you will be banned, although i think you could tune up your desktop a bit more

Like by installing Arch?

maybe, but if you want to stick with windows, there are some tools that allow to create cool widgets, modify the taskbar, etc. Some examples are: winaero tweaker and rainmeter (those tools can affect windows stability and performance, and in the case of the most extreme ones, it can directly destroy your installation)

Perfect, that last sentence is what I'm looking for! Lol in all seriousness, thanks I'll look into those.

I haven't used RM in about 15 years, is it still a massive resource hog?

I have a clock on my desktop sometimes, its pretty minimal for what I do with it

I use some alternative app for my taskbar clock, and I've occasionally used Wallpaper Engine wallpapers that had clocks, but at the end of the day, I still look at my watch. ๐Ÿ˜‚

Didn't know you could run KDE on wind*ws :o

Lol :P you actually can, but don't expect a lot.

I remember you could but also remember its not possible anymore with newer versions

I'm on board with a reactos KDE port ๐Ÿ˜น

Wait windows has neofetch?!?!?

The really important sosftware gets ported to all the platforms

Is there an iOS port? If there is.. I'm going to post screenshots from my wife's iPhone. iOS is more UNIX than windows!

brew install neofetch

What does it take to put a terminal emulator on iOS?

Last I knew you had to jailbreak. Probably still the case unless Apple has decided to allow them on the app store...but I doubt it

Oh, you mean the phone! Sorry I was thinking about MacOS.

I remember a while ago Tails developers were asking for help making the user interface mimic windows, to help people hide better the use of Tails in public spaces like libraries or cafes.

Kali Linux introduced a script to reskin the DE to look as closely as possible like Windows a few years ago.

This tied my stomach in a knot, ive never felt that before, im gonna go throw up.

I will be surprised if someone can make a tiling WM in Windows

Looks like the built-in window organizing thing Win11 comes with. When you drag a window to the top edge a little menu pops open for tiling your open windows.

Doesn't work with every window though, but browsers and spotify can be arranged that way.

Tiling capabilities don't make a window manager a tiling Window manager. They would have to tile by default and when ever another app gets opened.

There is GlazeWM (simlar to i3 - the only one that works properly on my win11 spyware), I use it daily for work (company laptop).

These are also: Komorebi (too buggy for me) Workspacer (like dwm) - used to crash alot before bug.n (dwm fork with the bar and same congih in ahk) - dead nowdays

Seeing the โ€œnathaโ€ username is so vindicating. I thought I had typed my name wrong for so long

It pisses me off so bad. I tried to change he it, ended up having to completely delete my user and start over. Oh well I just try to ignore it now haha

I recently set up a laptop for a friend and he was so pissed off that the user folder was just named after the first five letters of the Microsoft Account that I had to redo it with a local account

Can I do that then log in later with my Microsoft account? I would try that if my install wasn't totally riced out already ๐Ÿคฃ

Only requires stuff like editing the registry and probably signing a pact with Microsoft, but it was possible from what I read online

Isn't Powershell a POSIX compliant shell now? I know that isn't "gnu/linux" but it certainly allows a lot of familiarity between the environments.

I don't think it's strictly compliant, although they claim to have based it's syntax on Korn shell, which is the strictest definition of POSIX shells.

You can do pretty much everything in powershell that you can do in something like bash BUT, it will be done slightly differently, so trying to make a script cross compatible is pointless (you might as well just write it natively in powershell etc).

Powershell isn't inherently bad, unlike bash for instance which just allows piping out text output, Powershell can pass around true .net objects.
But if what you're looking for is cross OS compatability, you're pushing shit uphill.

99.9% of the time, I open powershell and just ssh into a "real" linux box.

Lol except they aliased wget and curl but dont parse the standard options ๐Ÿ˜ก

That's borderline criminal. Nothing more to add

powershell is inherently bad btw

Nuh uh btw

How can it be? It's oo. Not saying you're wrong. Honestly curious

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_POSIX_subsystem

Since 1993.

Thanks, this explains:

The Windows NT POSIX subsystem did not provide the interactive user environment parts

So the interactive part, the shell itself, is not compliant. That is why I was confused

I am not a greybeard expert with deep bash history, but I though the posix compliant aspect of PowerShell was a very recent, though apparently not perfect, achievement even if "technically" NT was POSIX compliant by some specific definition in 1993.

bruh

That was Windows NT and was done for C builds so that Microsoft could compete for US government contracts

What's the deal with GPU:Caption and the extra white GPU?

The white GPU is just the extra text from the line above.

where's my pitch fork sharpener?... ๐Ÿคฃ

Replace file manager with dolphin

Is it any good on windows? I hate what a steaming confusing pile of shit file manager is

Windows is so integrated with the stock one that it canโ€™t be removed and you canโ€™t get things to open dolphin instead

But, dolphin is faster (in my experience) and the biggest sell for me is that it doesnโ€™t randomly pop in front of things

I would say itโ€™s not actually worth it due to the first part but it is better, maybe someone smarter than me could get hacky

There is actually a MS Edge version for Linux. I wonder if anyone makes a joke distro that breaks the file manager and terminal when you uninstall it.

Windows (Linux Edition)

-You can now remove system32

Oh, that's nice!

I just found out you can install KDE dolphin on windows!

Have you tried it? I'll probably give it a shot soon when I get a free minute

Yep, it's even faster than Windows 10/11 explorer that sometimes hangs for no apparent reason.