Conservative parents look to exit public schools after progressives dominate board elections

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Conservative parents look to exit public schools after progressives dominate board elections
nypost.com

Conservative parents said they’re looking to exit public schools after an anemic performance by right-leaning candidates in school board elections this week.

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FTA:

"The father was placed in handcuffs after recounting the sexual assault of his daughter by a transgender student in a school bathroom and demanding answers.

Smith was later pardoned by Virginia Gov. Glenn Youngkin.

Loudoun County parent Scott Smith was arrested in 2021 at a school board meeting after his daughter’s sexual assault.

“A lot of us thought that that was a turning point,” said another local dad whose child will graduate out of the district this year."

So you know that demands a fact check:

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/loudoun-school-sex-assault-investigation-unsealed-by-judge/3423751/

"In May 2021, a male student sexually assaulted a girl classmate inside a restroom at Stone Bridge High School. He was transferred to Broad Run High School for the next school year, where he assaulted another girl."

Clearly a failure on the part of the school system... But then we get to the right wing talking points:

"After much discussion over whether the perpetrator was transgender or wore a skirt to get into the restroom where the first teen was attacked, the report found no evidence that the attacker identified as female or gender fluid. It found no evidence that he wore a skirt or kilt that day, and no witnesses reported seeing him in a girl’s bathroom or trying to get into one."

The assaults definitely happened, but not in the way dad describes them as happening.

Of course the NYPost fails to include such a useful and relevant bit of information.

Of course the NYPost fails to include such a useful and relevant bit of information.

Is it possible to blacklist sources?

I have an extension on Firefox called Bye Rupert that automatically blocks sites controlled by Rupert Murdoch. I have it set to allow such pages to load in a private window, if I want to see them for some reason, but I have to make a conscious decision to visit the site.

You mean on the community level or the user level?

If the former: yes, but it might be difficult to do without a lot of people wrongly calling it censorship of legitimate journalism and starting a whole thing..

If the latter, I don't know but now that you've put the idea in my head I'm gonna try and find out..

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I mean why not twist your daughter's assault to support your bigoted narrative? I'm sure she'll never resent lying about the circumstances of her assault to serve her father. Being used by men, after all, is the highest calling of a woman.

I wish I was surprised, but all I feel is disgust and an abundance of not surprise.

We REALLY need a word for being shocked and appalled without being the least bit surprised. Happens to reasonable people all the time nowadays..

Just reminds me of the Iago quote from Disney’s Aladdin:

“Oh there’s a big surprise! I think I’m gonna have a heart attack and die from not surprise!”

I think of that Iago quote all the time. I was definitely channeling it here.

Imagine your daughter is sexually assaulted and your first impulse is to get excited about using it as an excuse to smear trans people. What a fucking ghoul.

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Those poor kids, it’s bad enough they have bigoted morons for parents.

For sure. My mother suffered brain damage after a heart attack while I was in high school. She nearly immediately became super conservative and scared of everything and everyone that wasn't white because of Fox News.

So glad that I got to finish my high school education and move away to college and cut contact with her. I can only imagine if I had been younger. Growing up, she was a progressive person who even advocated for easier legal immigration and same sex marriage when it was super unpopular to do so.

Not saying all conservatives have brain damage, but...

Not saying all conservatives have brain damage, but...

There's definitely a correlation between issues with critical thinking and conservatism.

lol what a garbage article. They’re mad about trans kids using their preferred bathroom.

Classic NYPost garbage

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What whiny fucking children.

Funny and sad that you're obviously referring to the parents

Wait till you meet their kids :(

Hi. I was one of them. I am a left leaning atheist and live a boring middle class life with my wife and kids. Would you like to do a jigsaw puzzle with us or help me on a, new for us, pasta dish recipe we are trying tonight?

Origins don't define us. Shit childhoods don't define us. Crap parents don't define us.

It absolutely can and does. But very glad you found your way out. So many don't get that opportunity.

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Conservative parents should think about staying in school as long as they possibly can. I mean, they’re dumb enough as they are. Can you imagine if they all dropped out?

I don't know whether this is a joke about them having to repeat grades multiple times, or whether its about teenage mothers. I'm here for it either way.

Get the fuck out, then. I don't like that their children are going to end up being the ones getting punished, but at least not everyone else's kids are getting punished along with the children of these extremists.

Going to disagree. I would rather they ruin every single PTO and School Board meeting instead of hurting their own children. My parents pulled the same shit on me and I no where got the education level I should have gotten.

But letting them "ruin every single PTO and School Board meeting" means "letting them ruin every child's education."

That would be true if they had power, which they don't.

Exactly. It just means school board meetings will suck for the normal people, then after the open comments time, they can get the real work done.

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Good. That's the way choice is supposed to work. If you object to your kids getting indoctrinated or whatever, your remedy is homeschool or private school not trying to force everyone else's kids to fit into your worldview.

It drives me crazy here in Florida, it's easy to homeschool, so much support from the state and clear rules about evaluations. But no, these absolute racists (autocorrect of facist but if the shoe fits..) want to force all the kids to follow their rules. That's bullshit.

I have plenty of problems with the local schools and have homeschooled some of mine off and on when I couldn't find a good fit for them but one of the nicest things about public schools is the kids' complete indifference to gender or preferences. These kids are so nonchalant when someone who was a girl last year is a boy this year or whatever, and the raging homophobia that was part of my high school experience (people getting beaten up for being different in any way) is just gone. Not that there aren't fights and drugs like at any school but the kids overall are nicer and not so beaten down.

Hey, this is not a dig at all, but the reason autocorrect is bothering you is that "fascist" has an extra S in it.

Also I completely agree with you on all counts.

If you object to your kids getting indoctrinated or whatever, your remedy is homeschool or private school not trying to force everyone else's kids to fit into your worldview.

Sounds like you live in Florida so you’re closer to it than most but, doesn’t this point to it not being about what their children are exposed to?

To me the whole thing smacks of control, not concern for their children. I don’t doubt some (many?) of these parents are honest in their beliefs but with what you pointed out, wouldn’t it make the most sense to homeschool?

I’m maybe way off base it just looks to me as an outsider like these parents were more interested in controlling what all children are taught and now they’re taking their ball and going home, so to speak.

It's been quite a ride here. I grew up here when the US was at the bottom of the world rankings for education and Florida was 49th in the nation, the absolute nadir of public education - I literally had no teacher for half of sixth grade, and in elementary we had one science teacher for the whole school so got science only once a week. I really felt like it was being in jail, they didn't teach much. Did eventually get an education in college, and read a lot growing up, outside of school.

It was the Republicans who broke it, with their Back to Basics nonsense but the Republicans who fixed it in my county, by putting in school choice & magnet schools, some of my kids went to an environmental education charter, some to IB, one to a performing arts magnet, there were a variety of schools to choose from and most all the charters nonprofit collectives not for profit outfits. My kids got great K-12 education, a few years homeschooled, 4 years private for one of them, but the first 3 out were overprepared for college, they found college easy. All had input into what high schools they wanted to apply to, got to feel like they were participating not in jail. Now the youngest is a junior in high school and I swear to God they are trying so hard to break it back to what my schooling was like. Throwing away all the progress allegedly because they are afraid kids will encounter challenging ideas and come to conclusions that don't fit the parents' religious beliefs or something? Yes my older ones read challenging books, Beloved, Brodek, hard to read and important books.

I don't understand these parents at all. I think if you put kids in school you agree to the curriculum. Stand back and let the teachers work. If you don't want to do that then find a different school or homeschool. Trying to change the school to fit your kid is wrong, especially here where there are other options.

IF there was not school choice, like back when I was in school, sure, I would advocate for my kid inside the school but not by trying to pull all the other kids down to some lowest common denominator. Only by working to get accommodation for ability or disability, or if they had a bully teacher maybe see if they could be in a different class.

Sorry, long rant but yes it's about controlling other people not their own kids, it has to be. They got all the sort of free market school choice and now are mad because most of it didn't turn out to be Christian academies where the sleeves and hemlines are long and all creativity suppressed. Because almost nobody wants that for their kids.

They want to ruin public education and have it pay for private school so no one's child might learn anything they seem progressive. That's been the game plan, that's what DeVos was working on - underpaid teachers and a stifling censorship environment causing teachers and students to leave public Ed is by design.

I was going to say, this is not new. As long as they don't get to take their kid's tax dollars with them, good fucking riddance.

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We gotta get some real regulations for homeschooling in this country.

Ya, this is a very needed baseline correction. Let them home educated all they want but the kids have to pass grade level finals tests to graduate, from year to year and if they cant, it's real school for them.

Not being able to force EVERYONE'S children to learn the same thing as your kids is SOCIALISM! TRUE Freedom is when I get to force YOUR kids to learn what I WANT THEM TO LEARN!

Oh hey that's the definition of conservatism I like. "No one tells me what to do. I tell others what to do."

It explains most conservative positions.

"Nobody tells me what to do. Unless it's a rich religious daddy dom politician."

Nothing new, here in SC several right-wing nut jobs I've come across homeschool their kids in order to indocrinate them with the crazies

Unfortunately, a lot of parents are in a far-right media bubble that tells them that public schools are teaching third graders about anal sex and trying to make every kid trans. And that any mention of racism is the dreaded CRT. The people with the money behind this propaganda want to eliminate public schools and put every American kid in a private Christian school.

Here's a pledge from a group of privately owned charter schools that RELY ON TAXPAYER MONEY. The head of the schools refuses to disclose his salary.

I pledge to keep myself healthy in body, mind, and spirit, staying physically fit, mentally awake, and morally straight.

I pledge to be truthful in all my works, guarding against the stains of falsehood from the fascination with experts, the temptation of vanity, the comfort of popular opinion and custom, the ease of equivocation and compromise, and from over-reliance on rational argument.

I pledge to be virtuous in all my deeds, with the courage to exemplify faith in my beliefs, hope for a better future, and charity towards my neighbor – with prudence in new undertakings, with justice when called on to judge, with fortitude in the face of adversity, and with temperance toward temptation.

I pledge to be obedient and loyal to those in authority, in my family, in my school, and in my community and country,

So long as I shall live.

The owner of these schools took a case all the way to the Supreme Court on the issue of whether he could require girls to wear skirts because girls are "fragile vessels."

https://newrepublic.com/article/171824/charter-school-north-carolina-requires-girls-wear-skirts

https://www.nea.org/nea-today/all-news-articles/who-behind-attacks-educators-and-public-schools

Omg ok ok ok ok that is or has to be a Cult .

"and from over-reliance on rational argument."

I would say, "Good, go," except this leads to children being taught bullshit and radicalization. And there's no real education to go with it.

There is NO upside to this, not for the children and not for society in general.

sounds like we have a case of michael scott win win win conflict resolution here

ideally you'd want the kids to get an education which challenges the ignorance they are fed at home though. gotta break the cycle

If the parents are super-stupid then homeschooling is a sinkhole of stupidity.

A sinkhole I was born into. Getting locked away from "worldly influences" and completely socially stunted for the first 18 years of your life isn't something I would wish on anyone.

Good, let the kids that want to be learn and take the dumb ones out. Children of conservative parents have almost zero chance of being stable, productive members of society.

All through highschool, college, and law school, the conservative students constantly were disruptive, asking immature questions and failing to grasp simple material.

They have primitive brains, belong in special schools.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5793824/