There is a bug in 0.17.4 that stops front pages from updating shortly after the server is restarted, thus resulting in βhotβ and "active" showing stale posts.
I have fixed this issue on https://lemm.ee already, you can check our front page to see fresh posts. The fix will soon land in the main Lemmy codebase as well so other instances can take advantage, you can track the issue here: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/3076
I have also advised other instance admins that regularly restarting their Lemmy server will work as a band-aid workaround until the proper fix is released, so some admins have already implemented this in order to get their post rankings working again, but the proper fix will come in the next release of Lemmy.
I love you
Welcome to Costco
Thanks for your work debugging and fixing this for everyone.
Hey there, I appreciate all the work you guys are all doing to keep this going. We see you and thank you.
I was halfway through reading this when I immediately thought "is the 'solution' just regularly restarting the server?" lol
How many people are working on Lemmy?
There are two maintainers, but it's open source, so dozens of others have contributed over the years (and a lot of new contributors have joined in the current month - myself included!)
When would you expect the fix to make it to the main codebase?
The most crucial fix has already been merged and should be included in the 0.18 release of Lemmy!
@sunaurus@lemmyworld Glad to hear. I have accounts on lemmy and Mastodon and some times have to use lemmy web. Would be nice to see new posts.
I poked around to see which bugs are being worked on and whatnot on lemmy-ui's github, but I couldn't find the release schedule (new to open source projects like this).
Is there a way to get a sense of when a new version drop will be applied outside of being an actual contributor or is that all hidden/just in the minds of the maintainers?
AFAIK there is no release schedule as such, it's more a situation of it'll be released no sooner or later than when it's ready for release π
I know it can be frustrating to hear that as a user, but it really is better than promising a release date, and then either failing to deliver on time, or delivering something which you know is not really ready.
I know it can be frustrating to hear that as a user
Not at all. I get it completely. I do some programming for my 9-5 and have our releases and stuff scheduled in our Jira, but that's a private dev team, not a open source project like this and it doesn't use github/gitlab for anything.
Expectation management and getting people to understand why we didn't deploy at the specified time is a huge annoyance, lol.
I think OP is getting at the point that maybe the default shouldn't be local. I set mine to subscribed, but until a server is widely used, maybe the default should be all. It's more of a server admin thing than a software default thing, IMO, though.
I tend to agree this is why I wrote a new users guide and pinned it on my instance which suggests exactly this
Even after a server is widely used, the default should be all.
That's the whole point of federation. That's what everybody is saying. That's even what join-lemmy promotes; you see it all because of federation.
"Local" should be the most niche rarely used setting ever.
Subscribed should be the default if you have any subscriptions i.e. are logged in.
Hmm, I don't know it depends on the context. I am on startrek.website and for that community with a lot of new star trek fans coming in who don't necessarily know much about federation and the fediverse I think having the default be local to just star trek content makes way more sense. For other communities not built around a specific fanbase having the default be all makes way more sense. It just depends I think.
Come to think of it, we should rename "all" to "UFP" lol
im vibing in new
Makes you think about how many posts on Reddit are just not accounts pushing posts
I was getting disillusioned because of the bot reposts on reddit.
#newisalwaysbetter
Yea this is how I'm doing it, and it's great. Plus I get real time notifications on new communities. I used reddit by new too, but here seems to be genuinely more engaged.
Be the change you want to see, post new things, comment on stuff, upvote away.
A big mind shift from reddit is that the contribution doesn't have to be the most interesting, insightful, or novel. When you're in a giant community it can feel like you have to have the most incredible thing to feel like its worth posting. Here you can experiment so much more
The problem is actually not that there isnβt enough new content. Sort by new and see your front page get flooded every second. The problem seems to be the sort options bugging out for days at a time
Yeah I'm starting to see this as well. On my second or third day here and the front page is the same, I have to actively look for more. That's going to drive away new folks
@c2h6@nieceandtows They are fixing it should be fixed in next update. To make your feed fun sort by new post and sort by new comments. Makes everything so nice.
Just noticed your comment. Looks like the mention is not working this way. I don't see anything in the mentions tab for me.
It used to be good, I think the something broke when we crossed 10k users on this instance. I don't think sh.itjust.works has the same issue.
Yea, I think a custom sort/filter option would be innovative comparing with other UX: e.g. I want all the newest posts of my subbed list with more than 3 comments and certain keywords in/out rather than just hot/new/most comments. RES partially enabled this.
I've been sorting by 'Hot' recently, its a little more chaotic but it's definitely a fresher experience. Also I just found out you can hide read posts! Which has been a huge game changer.
you can hide read posts
You CAN?!? I MUST see this.
Under your user settings on desktop, there's a "Show read posts" checkbox. I just unchecked it like 5 minutes ago but it seems to be working.
You're an angel among mortals. My OCD wants to say thank you too.
Does this completely hide read posts or is there a way to see them again without going back to the settings?
I'll try it out when I get back to my desktop tho, thanks for pointing it out!
From what I've seen the read posts just disappear unless you check the box again. Let me know if you find something different!
I'd love this if it were a toggle on the UI instead of being buried in the settings.
I have bookmarked my subs, but the "new user" experience isn't great.
A default subscription list would be awesome
They really should set All - Hot (or Top Day) as default instead of Local.
No matter what I set, all my posts are old
I just started trying out changing the setting "show read post" to unchecked in my settings to hide read post. Now I don't need to see same old stuff. It is great! It is like reading emails now π
I use the app so I have to refresh every time to hide tho but I don't think that will be a thing for web users.
Difficult to say why it doesn't work for you. What I get is 10h, 2h, 2h, 1h, 4h for first 5 posts. I am using All Hot.
EDIT: I checked your lemmy.world instance with the same settings https://lemmy.world/home/data_type/Post/listing_type/All/sort/Hot/page/1 and indeed all posts seem to be old. It's something to do with your instance maybe. I suggest meanwhile you use All Top Day instead. This will ensure you get top posts of the past 24h.
When I set my front page to "All" and "Hot", it constantly adds new posts to the top of the lists and shuffles everything down. I just visited the page and it updated the list three times in about five seconds. Is there a way to make it not do that?
It's a bug that should be fixed soon. Luckily it doesn't happen in the android app I'm using, Jerboa.
Yep that's what I use. Good app. I might try and contribute later.
@KillaBeez I think we are to used to reddit. You can always sort by new and comments sorting by comments and is interesting.
Sorting by "new comments" can be a nice one if you're looking for discussions, I'm finding.
This is how I used reddit anyway and I'm having a great time here so far
Yeah. I'm holding out for hope of a "things you haven't up/down-voted yet" as a display filter.
Hey! π There's a setting you can toggle on your account for 'show read posts' which should stop you seeing things you've already interacted with. That might help you out π
Important note if you were confused like me: expanding an image is not currently counted as an interaction for the purposes of hiding already seen content.
They did some changes to the sort last night. I was thinking the same. This seems a little slower today for HOT.
Love this idea. I definitely treat most content lists as an inbox; if I've interacted with it, archive it somewhere unobtrusive in case I need to refer to it later.
Yes, you summed up what was bothering me about this site. Intended or not, it's giving the impression of a ghost town outside of a few threads.
Is it possible in Lemmy to set the sort method as a default every time Lemmy is opened?
Yeah it's in settings
In your profile settings is a way to set the default.
Some users have reported a visual bug where when you go back to the main page it will say that you have a different sorting method selected, but the results of the page should still reflect what you've set as your default. We're all Alpha Testers for Lemmy :)
It doesn't work for me in Jerboa, keeps defaulting to local
I changed it in the settings and the change set in after a while
Apparently it's just a visual thing, whatever you've set your profile to in the browser extends to your Jerboa app.
I notice it's been really stagnant today, was a lot more active the last two days. Is everyone gone back to reddit??
Don't worry, its a bug. "Hot" sorting has freezed. Just use new and you will see just how active everything is.
Sadly sorting on new also has its issues with the auto updates and content getting pushed down automatically. I'm hoping that gets fixed soon.
Also slated for next release.
Lol I sorted new two days ago and almost broke my thumb blocking tentacle porn communities ahahah!
Hahahahahah. Try blocking nsfw content first!
Not me. Deleted RIF off my phone today. Haven't deleted my 14-yo account or any of my throwaways even.
Some people have, so it'll be a little slower, but there appears to be a fairly critical mass of users here now. It's now a question of actually creating active communities to start luring people away.
Need to start proselytizing lol
I guess so - maybe 'new' should be the initial setting...
I think until a community reaches a certain size, "new" should just be the default initial setting for users maybe? Idk
Sort by new, trending, or hot to get a different list. I've just been looking at communities to subscribe to
I am with OP but I think I need to figure out how to sort. And I can't expect Lemmy to constantly be as refreshed as reddit, yet.
Is the default sort different depending on your instance? Like you're on lemmy.world, but I'm on reddthat.com. Are they the same out of the box, or is there differences?
There is a bug in 0.17.4 that stops front pages from updating shortly after the server is restarted, thus resulting in βhotβ and "active" showing stale posts.
I have fixed this issue on https://lemm.ee already, you can check our front page to see fresh posts. The fix will soon land in the main Lemmy codebase as well so other instances can take advantage, you can track the issue here: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/3076
I have also advised other instance admins that regularly restarting their Lemmy server will work as a band-aid workaround until the proper fix is released, so some admins have already implemented this in order to get their post rankings working again, but the proper fix will come in the next release of Lemmy.
I love you
Welcome to Costco
Thanks for your work debugging and fixing this for everyone.
Hey there, I appreciate all the work you guys are all doing to keep this going. We see you and thank you.
I was halfway through reading this when I immediately thought "is the 'solution' just regularly restarting the server?" lol
How many people are working on Lemmy?
There are two maintainers, but it's open source, so dozens of others have contributed over the years (and a lot of new contributors have joined in the current month - myself included!)
When would you expect the fix to make it to the main codebase?
The most crucial fix has already been merged and should be included in the 0.18 release of Lemmy!
@sunaurus @lemmyworld Glad to hear. I have accounts on lemmy and Mastodon and some times have to use lemmy web. Would be nice to see new posts.
I poked around to see which bugs are being worked on and whatnot on lemmy-ui's github, but I couldn't find the release schedule (new to open source projects like this).
Is there a way to get a sense of when a new version drop will be applied outside of being an actual contributor or is that all hidden/just in the minds of the maintainers?
AFAIK there is no release schedule as such, it's more a situation of it'll be released no sooner or later than when it's ready for release π
I know it can be frustrating to hear that as a user, but it really is better than promising a release date, and then either failing to deliver on time, or delivering something which you know is not really ready.
Not at all. I get it completely. I do some programming for my 9-5 and have our releases and stuff scheduled in our Jira, but that's a private dev team, not a open source project like this and it doesn't use github/gitlab for anything.
Expectation management and getting people to understand why we didn't deploy at the specified time is a huge annoyance, lol.
You donβt use version control at work?
Yeah, just not git based.
Iβm interested what you do use!
I wish it were git...
We use subversion primarily.
oh im so sorry
Switch to all/hot. The default is local
I think OP is getting at the point that maybe the default shouldn't be local. I set mine to subscribed, but until a server is widely used, maybe the default should be all. It's more of a server admin thing than a software default thing, IMO, though.
I tend to agree this is why I wrote a new users guide and pinned it on my instance which suggests exactly this
Even after a server is widely used, the default should be all.
That's the whole point of federation. That's what everybody is saying. That's even what join-lemmy promotes; you see it all because of federation.
"Local" should be the most niche rarely used setting ever.
Subscribed should be the default if you have any subscriptions i.e. are logged in.
Hmm, I don't know it depends on the context. I am on startrek.website and for that community with a lot of new star trek fans coming in who don't necessarily know much about federation and the fediverse I think having the default be local to just star trek content makes way more sense. For other communities not built around a specific fanbase having the default be all makes way more sense. It just depends I think.
Come to think of it, we should rename "all" to "UFP" lol
im vibing in new
Makes you think about how many posts on Reddit are just not accounts pushing posts
I was getting disillusioned because of the bot reposts on reddit.
#newisalwaysbetter
Yea this is how I'm doing it, and it's great. Plus I get real time notifications on new communities. I used reddit by new too, but here seems to be genuinely more engaged.
Be the change you want to see, post new things, comment on stuff, upvote away.
A big mind shift from reddit is that the contribution doesn't have to be the most interesting, insightful, or novel. When you're in a giant community it can feel like you have to have the most incredible thing to feel like its worth posting. Here you can experiment so much more
The problem is actually not that there isnβt enough new content. Sort by new and see your front page get flooded every second. The problem seems to be the sort options bugging out for days at a time
Yeah I'm starting to see this as well. On my second or third day here and the front page is the same, I have to actively look for more. That's going to drive away new folks
@c2h6 @nieceandtows They are fixing it should be fixed in next update. To make your feed fun sort by new post and sort by new comments. Makes everything so nice.
Just noticed your comment. Looks like the mention is not working this way. I don't see anything in the mentions tab for me.
@nieceandtows Yes wired. Could be a bug
It used to be good, I think the something broke when we crossed 10k users on this instance. I don't think sh.itjust.works has the same issue.
Yea, I think a custom sort/filter option would be innovative comparing with other UX: e.g. I want all the newest posts of my subbed list with more than 3 comments and certain keywords in/out rather than just hot/new/most comments. RES partially enabled this.
I've been sorting by 'Hot' recently, its a little more chaotic but it's definitely a fresher experience. Also I just found out you can hide read posts! Which has been a huge game changer.
You CAN?!? I MUST see this.
Under your user settings on desktop, there's a "Show read posts" checkbox. I just unchecked it like 5 minutes ago but it seems to be working.
You're an angel among mortals. My OCD wants to say thank you too.
Does this completely hide read posts or is there a way to see them again without going back to the settings? I'll try it out when I get back to my desktop tho, thanks for pointing it out!
From what I've seen the read posts just disappear unless you check the box again. Let me know if you find something different!
I'd love this if it were a toggle on the UI instead of being buried in the settings.
I have bookmarked my subs, but the "new user" experience isn't great.
A default subscription list would be awesome
They really should set All - Hot (or Top Day) as default instead of Local.
No matter what I set, all my posts are old
I just started trying out changing the setting "show read post" to unchecked in my settings to hide read post. Now I don't need to see same old stuff. It is great! It is like reading emails now π
I use the app so I have to refresh every time to hide tho but I don't think that will be a thing for web users.
Difficult to say why it doesn't work for you. What I get is 10h, 2h, 2h, 1h, 4h for first 5 posts. I am using All Hot.
https://lemm.ee/home/data_type/Post/listing_type/All/sort/Hot/page/1
EDIT: I checked your lemmy.world instance with the same settings https://lemmy.world/home/data_type/Post/listing_type/All/sort/Hot/page/1 and indeed all posts seem to be old. It's something to do with your instance maybe. I suggest meanwhile you use All Top Day instead. This will ensure you get top posts of the past 24h.
When I set my front page to "All" and "Hot", it constantly adds new posts to the top of the lists and shuffles everything down. I just visited the page and it updated the list three times in about five seconds. Is there a way to make it not do that?
It's a bug that should be fixed soon. Luckily it doesn't happen in the android app I'm using, Jerboa.
Yep that's what I use. Good app. I might try and contribute later.
@KillaBeez I think we are to used to reddit. You can always sort by new and comments sorting by comments and is interesting.
Sorting by "new comments" can be a nice one if you're looking for discussions, I'm finding.
This is how I used reddit anyway and I'm having a great time here so far
You can save your sort preference in settings.
Yeah. I'm holding out for hope of a "things you haven't up/down-voted yet" as a display filter.
Hey! π There's a setting you can toggle on your account for 'show read posts' which should stop you seeing things you've already interacted with. That might help you out π
Important note if you were confused like me: expanding an image is not currently counted as an interaction for the purposes of hiding already seen content.
They did some changes to the sort last night. I was thinking the same. This seems a little slower today for HOT.
Love this idea. I definitely treat most content lists as an inbox; if I've interacted with it, archive it somewhere unobtrusive in case I need to refer to it later.
Yes, you summed up what was bothering me about this site. Intended or not, it's giving the impression of a ghost town outside of a few threads.
Is it possible in Lemmy to set the sort method as a default every time Lemmy is opened?
Yeah it's in settings
In your profile settings is a way to set the default. Some users have reported a visual bug where when you go back to the main page it will say that you have a different sorting method selected, but the results of the page should still reflect what you've set as your default. We're all Alpha Testers for Lemmy :)
It doesn't work for me in Jerboa, keeps defaulting to local
I changed it in the settings and the change set in after a while
Apparently it's just a visual thing, whatever you've set your profile to in the browser extends to your Jerboa app.
lemmy issue tracker
and lemmy UI issue tracker (for issues that are UI based, not back-end based)
I notice it's been really stagnant today, was a lot more active the last two days. Is everyone gone back to reddit??
Don't worry, its a bug. "Hot" sorting has freezed. Just use new and you will see just how active everything is.
Sadly sorting on new also has its issues with the auto updates and content getting pushed down automatically. I'm hoping that gets fixed soon.
Also slated for next release.
Lol I sorted new two days ago and almost broke my thumb blocking tentacle porn communities ahahah!
Hahahahahah. Try blocking nsfw content first!
Not me. Deleted RIF off my phone today. Haven't deleted my 14-yo account or any of my throwaways even.
Some people have, so it'll be a little slower, but there appears to be a fairly critical mass of users here now. It's now a question of actually creating active communities to start luring people away.
Need to start proselytizing lol
I guess so - maybe 'new' should be the initial setting...
I think until a community reaches a certain size, "new" should just be the default initial setting for users maybe? Idk
Sort by new, trending, or hot to get a different list. I've just been looking at communities to subscribe to
I am with OP but I think I need to figure out how to sort. And I can't expect Lemmy to constantly be as refreshed as reddit, yet.
Is the default sort different depending on your instance? Like you're on lemmy.world, but I'm on reddthat.com. Are they the same out of the box, or is there differences?