Remember when BLM heckled Bernie during 2015 campaign?
If you think Biden is your problem, wait until orange gets elected.
The difference is that Biden IS the current president and is the one that sidestepped congress to give Israel aid without many strings attached. Yeah, come November, don't choose orange, but that doesn't mean Biden shouldn't face pressure in the meantime.
And then Congress voted overwhelmingly to not attach said strings after the fact. Biden isn't the only problem here.
Biden isn’t the only problem here.
He isn't, but he's one third of the government (one half when it comes to foreign policy) and he's only been using that position to make the situation worse.
What a weird comment. As if Congress isn't universally despised by antiwar activists. Let me know how else protestors can feasibly make demands directly to an entire branch of government that isn't just one person.
Yeah and if I could vote for other states congress people then that would matter but until then I just got like two dudes who represent me there, probably different ones than you. Probably ones you've never heard of, so am I really gonna dox my district by talking about two specific dudes who few if any of you are familiar with?
If anything increase the pressure so they actually feel threatened enough to get some progressive work done.
Problem is that the pressure of today may lead the orange man to win tomorrow.
Then maybe Biden should do something differently. It's his reelection and he claims his only reason for running is to defeat Trump.
Completely see your point, but unlike Trump, Biden might actually be movable by protest during an election year.
Granted the White House's position on Israel has already shifted considerably since their lockstep pledge of unity.
He might be. But this childish hyperbole isn't the way to do it.
Biden vs Trump should not prevent our pressure against entirely avoidable deaths
“Hey hey LBJ, LBJ! How many kids did you killed today?”
All it takes for Biden is to openly criticize Israel and stop selling them weapons (at least so that we won’t know it’s him) for like two months before everyone forgets. But no. Really shows how deep Israel’s dick is in US’s asshole.
If he says anything against Israel or stops aid, he'll be an "antisemite" and be attacked for that. The Israeli lobby has power and money, and they don't screw around. Plus, the media is dogshit and will never not attack Biden because it's "balanced" news.
Advising from the position of a friend is much more fruitful than advising as an enemy. I think Biden is wasting his time with Bibi. But it is an otherwise sound strategy. The genocide would have continued uninterrupted regardless what Biden did. What he did is definitely not a great look optically though for sure.
I love how POTUS is in charge of israel's military 100%.
Didn't even have to win an election or be Jewish they just listen to his orders and follow precisely as he instructs.
NetanyaWHO?
(/s)
The US finance Israel with billions of dollars
They have given Israel billions of dollars of military aid in just the last three months
Without the US involved, Israel would not be able to cause this level of destruction
The US has also consistently defended Israel in international court and in front of the UN while doing this
Biden is constantly giving Israel money and support, so it is on him
The US is not leaving this war alone, they are intrinsically psrt of it
Is Israel genociding Gazans by paper cuts from fiat currency or dumping tonnes of coins onto them?
If I waste welfare money to buy alcohol is it my fault for buying alcohol or the governments fault for supplying me a means to feed myself?
The government would be to blame if they didn't put controls on you using that money to buy weapons for shooting civilians.
We pour so much money into Israel that goes straight to murdering civilians in an ethnic cleansing. The US is culpable and the president needs to be held accountable.
So why are the houthis not attacking DC? Seems like a waste of their energy to go after Israel if it all falls into the desk of POTUS don't you agree?
They are attacking our ships where they can for that reason...
Israel also imports weapons from other countries. According to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute’s arms transfers database, 68% of Israel’s weapons imports from 2013 to 2022 came from the U.S. Another 28% came from Germany. Imports are funded in part by $3.3 billion of military aid provided annually by the U.S., along with $500 million for missile defense cooperation.
Since the start of the Israel-Hamas war, the U.S. has provided more than 5,000 MK-84 munitions, a type of 2,000-pound bomb. As of late December 2023, the U.S. had sent artillery shells, armored vehicles and basic combat tools to Israel, delivered in 230 cargo planes and 20 ships.
U.S. military aid to Israel also includes stockpiled weapons. For years, the Pentagon has stored weapons in Israel, presumably for use by the U.S. military. But the U.S. has allowed Israel to draw down some of these supplies during the Gaza conflict.
If the government keeps sending you beer, money marked "for buying beer only" and replacing any old beer you have with new, higher alcohol content beer, then yes, I'd say they are a little bit culpable for your drunkenness.
Biden pulls every trigger and loads every magazine by hand. Duh.
really comparing alcohol consumption with genocide ?
No, I didn't compare the two.
You can't buy alcohol with welfare benefits because the government puts limits on it. They could do the same with the money going to Israel but they don't because they want Israel to do what they're doing.
Literally yes. He just needs to threaten to cut off aid.
And then there’s a massive uproar from the republicans and conservative democrats.
Oh no, doing the right thing may alienate people who won't vote for him anyway, better do a genocide!
Politics is a nasty game. It’s much nastier when it’s a democracy: The stink is aired out for everyone to see and smell.
Republicans weren't gonna vote for him anyway, and with his current stance he's hemorrhaging progressive (mainly young) voters. This is the demographic that won him 2020.
That’s why I said conservative democrats.
I think, I can’t see the original comment because lemmy sucks.
I get what you mean, but what I'm saying is that he's not exactly holding onto voters at this rate.
Lmao sure.
Incredible argument. Can really see the thought you have put into this.
Lmao okay
what I don't understand is that if that person realizes that trump would send all the money and weapons to israel with no strings attached. he'd do it because he hates brown people and his supporters (who give him what he really wants- undying idolation) hate brown people AND want the commencement of armageddon so their prophet litch returns and he does what they want so they keep loving him.
at least biden is using the soft power he has before he starts using hard power.
Hey Hey LBJ How many kids did you kill today?
Is there any creativity in this generation?
Have politicians acquired the capacity for shame yet?
Surely the guy who instituted a Muslim travel ban will do better for Gaza!
So don't jump down my throat please but I don't understand this article. I have a couple of question that I would like an actual answer to and haven't seen addressed anywhere else:
"Team America World Police" was a mockable idea back in the 90s and early 2000s because America stuck its nose everywhere - wanted or not.
Now here I see people attacking a president because he will not interfere in something that shouldn't be America's business? As far as I was aware, America leaving other countries the hell alone would be a good thing on the world stage, no? Why not get mad that any sitting president hasn't interfered in the Uyghgur Genocide? Why just this?
Why is this particular conflict that has been ongoing for ages something worth blaming a current president for not interfering in?
I don't have a stance on this, I'm just trying to understand because it doesn't make sense to me so please don't take that as aggressive.
Edit: Downvotes? For trying to figure out an international situation? Man, I don't understand you sometimes, Lemmy. You can be so nonsensically goddamn hostile...
worth blaming a current president for not interfering in?
The US president has 100% say in the amount of money and weapons Israel receives, he can order everything to stop like President Reagan in 1982. His refusal to stop genocide, like Reagan did, makes him complicit in Palestinian deaths and the destruction of their homes, culture, and civilization.
So... (and again, I'm trying to parse the situation, not attacking) Biden has been funding the war specifically and giving Israel weapons? Why? To what end? And please don't say genocide because that's not a tangible reward result for Biden or America. If they are doing the above, what do they get from it?
America has been funding Israel for decades. It’s not just a Biden problem, but he’s the one in power while Israel commits genocide.
Yes, I get that. I was finally able to find several news sites reporting the amount of money funnelled to Israel in order to ensure the US has a small foothold in that area of the world. It seems a tad excessive, but politically understandable I suppose. Allies in that region are valuable, but goddamn that's a lot of money.
I also saw that this most recent payment structure was guaranteed for a certain time frame by Obama. Breaking the agreement off would be breaking treaties and guarantees. Not a great thing to do for America, but what's going on over there is not exactly a good look. I think that I now agree that Biden should pull aid from Israel.
Again, thank you for the discussion and explanations. It's nice when people respond instead of just mindlessly downvoting someone who is asking for details.
Yeah maybe America needs a no-genocide clause in their agreements with their allies.
The US finance Israel with billions of dollars
They have given Israel billions of dollars of military aid in just the last three months
Without the US involved, Israel would not be able to cause this level of destruction
The US has also consistently defended Israel in international court and in front of the UN while doing this
Biden is constantly giving Israel money and support, so it is on him
The US is not leaving this war alone, they are intrinsically psrt of it
So... (and again, I'm trying to parse the situation, not attacking so I'm asking all three respondents here the same question so I get a range of replies) Biden has been funding the war specifically and giving Israel weapons? Why? To what end? And please don't say genocide because that's not a tangible reward result for Biden or America. If they are doing the above, what do they get from it?
Because Israel is the US patsy in the Middle East and this way the US keeps power there
They are also always the major diplomatic driver towards talks between the Palestinian officials and Israel, historically speaking. The US is very much involved in the conflict.
So... (and again, I'm trying to parse the situation, not attacking so I'm asking all three respondents here the same question so I get a range of replies) Biden has been funding the war specifically and giving Israel weapons? Why? To what end? And please don't say genocide because that's not a tangible reward result for Biden or America. If they are doing the above, what do they get from it?
Understandably, they may have done so after WW2 and the creation of Israel to keep a "friendly" state in the region. That part makes sense.
Remember when BLM heckled Bernie during 2015 campaign?
If you think Biden is your problem, wait until orange gets elected.
The difference is that Biden IS the current president and is the one that sidestepped congress to give Israel aid without many strings attached. Yeah, come November, don't choose orange, but that doesn't mean Biden shouldn't face pressure in the meantime.
And then Congress voted overwhelmingly to not attach said strings after the fact. Biden isn't the only problem here.
He isn't, but he's one third of the government (one half when it comes to foreign policy) and he's only been using that position to make the situation worse.
What a weird comment. As if Congress isn't universally despised by antiwar activists. Let me know how else protestors can feasibly make demands directly to an entire branch of government that isn't just one person.
Yeah and if I could vote for other states congress people then that would matter but until then I just got like two dudes who represent me there, probably different ones than you. Probably ones you've never heard of, so am I really gonna dox my district by talking about two specific dudes who few if any of you are familiar with?
If anything increase the pressure so they actually feel threatened enough to get some progressive work done.
Problem is that the pressure of today may lead the orange man to win tomorrow.
Then maybe Biden should do something differently. It's his reelection and he claims his only reason for running is to defeat Trump.
Completely see your point, but unlike Trump, Biden might actually be movable by protest during an election year.
Granted the White House's position on Israel has already shifted considerably since their lockstep pledge of unity.
He might be. But this childish hyperbole isn't the way to do it.
I'll take ol' Joe over the orange cancer any day.
And trump would likely be worse. All the conservative dipshits love what Israel is doing right now.
Not likely, he will be exponentially worse.
Probably. At least Biden has the ability to understand the criticism.
They sure do. Some of them are even Republicans.
This argument is an insult to all voters.
Unfortunately, it's the game you are living in
I think it was in 2020 when that idiot got up on stage with him.
Biden vs Trump should not prevent our pressure against entirely avoidable deaths
“Hey hey LBJ, LBJ! How many kids did you killed today?”
All it takes for Biden is to openly criticize Israel and stop selling them weapons (at least so that we won’t know it’s him) for like two months before everyone forgets. But no. Really shows how deep Israel’s dick is in US’s asshole.
If he says anything against Israel or stops aid, he'll be an "antisemite" and be attacked for that. The Israeli lobby has power and money, and they don't screw around. Plus, the media is dogshit and will never not attack Biden because it's "balanced" news.
Advising from the position of a friend is much more fruitful than advising as an enemy. I think Biden is wasting his time with Bibi. But it is an otherwise sound strategy. The genocide would have continued uninterrupted regardless what Biden did. What he did is definitely not a great look optically though for sure.
I love how POTUS is in charge of israel's military 100%.
Didn't even have to win an election or be Jewish they just listen to his orders and follow precisely as he instructs.
NetanyaWHO?
(/s)
The US finance Israel with billions of dollars
They have given Israel billions of dollars of military aid in just the last three months
Without the US involved, Israel would not be able to cause this level of destruction
The US has also consistently defended Israel in international court and in front of the UN while doing this
Biden is constantly giving Israel money and support, so it is on him
The US is not leaving this war alone, they are intrinsically psrt of it
Is Israel genociding Gazans by paper cuts from fiat currency or dumping tonnes of coins onto them?
If I waste welfare money to buy alcohol is it my fault for buying alcohol or the governments fault for supplying me a means to feed myself?
The government would be to blame if they didn't put controls on you using that money to buy weapons for shooting civilians.
We pour so much money into Israel that goes straight to murdering civilians in an ethnic cleansing. The US is culpable and the president needs to be held accountable.
So why are the houthis not attacking DC? Seems like a waste of their energy to go after Israel if it all falls into the desk of POTUS don't you agree?
They are attacking our ships where they can for that reason...
They do know Biden isn't on the ships, right?
https://theconversation.com/where-do-israel-and-hamas-get-their-weapons-220762#:~:text=As%20of%20late%20December%202023,use%20by%20the%20U.S.%20military.
Israel also imports weapons from other countries. According to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute’s arms transfers database, 68% of Israel’s weapons imports from 2013 to 2022 came from the U.S. Another 28% came from Germany. Imports are funded in part by $3.3 billion of military aid provided annually by the U.S., along with $500 million for missile defense cooperation.
Since the start of the Israel-Hamas war, the U.S. has provided more than 5,000 MK-84 munitions, a type of 2,000-pound bomb. As of late December 2023, the U.S. had sent artillery shells, armored vehicles and basic combat tools to Israel, delivered in 230 cargo planes and 20 ships.
U.S. military aid to Israel also includes stockpiled weapons. For years, the Pentagon has stored weapons in Israel, presumably for use by the U.S. military. But the U.S. has allowed Israel to draw down some of these supplies during the Gaza conflict.
If the government keeps sending you beer, money marked "for buying beer only" and replacing any old beer you have with new, higher alcohol content beer, then yes, I'd say they are a little bit culpable for your drunkenness.
Biden pulls every trigger and loads every magazine by hand. Duh.
really comparing alcohol consumption with genocide ?
No, I didn't compare the two.
You can't buy alcohol with welfare benefits because the government puts limits on it. They could do the same with the money going to Israel but they don't because they want Israel to do what they're doing.
Literally yes. He just needs to threaten to cut off aid.
And then there’s a massive uproar from the republicans and conservative democrats.
Oh no, doing the right thing may alienate people who won't vote for him anyway, better do a genocide!
Politics is a nasty game. It’s much nastier when it’s a democracy: The stink is aired out for everyone to see and smell.
Republicans weren't gonna vote for him anyway, and with his current stance he's hemorrhaging progressive (mainly young) voters. This is the demographic that won him 2020.
That’s why I said conservative democrats.
I think, I can’t see the original comment because lemmy sucks.
I get what you mean, but what I'm saying is that he's not exactly holding onto voters at this rate.
Lmao sure.
Incredible argument. Can really see the thought you have put into this.
Lmao okay
what I don't understand is that if that person realizes that trump would send all the money and weapons to israel with no strings attached. he'd do it because he hates brown people and his supporters (who give him what he really wants- undying idolation) hate brown people AND want the commencement of armageddon so their prophet litch returns and he does what they want so they keep loving him.
at least biden is using the soft power he has before he starts using hard power.
Hey Hey LBJ How many kids did you kill today?
Is there any creativity in this generation?
Have politicians acquired the capacity for shame yet?
Surely the guy who instituted a Muslim travel ban will do better for Gaza!
So don't jump down my throat please but I don't understand this article. I have a couple of question that I would like an actual answer to and haven't seen addressed anywhere else:
"Team America World Police" was a mockable idea back in the 90s and early 2000s because America stuck its nose everywhere - wanted or not.
Now here I see people attacking a president because he will not interfere in something that shouldn't be America's business? As far as I was aware, America leaving other countries the hell alone would be a good thing on the world stage, no? Why not get mad that any sitting president hasn't interfered in the Uyghgur Genocide? Why just this?
Why is this particular conflict that has been ongoing for ages something worth blaming a current president for not interfering in?
The only thing I can really find online in the news are Republicans blaming Biden for the attacks on Israel which doesn't make sense with the response here. What the heck is going on?
I don't have a stance on this, I'm just trying to understand because it doesn't make sense to me so please don't take that as aggressive.
Edit: Downvotes? For trying to figure out an international situation? Man, I don't understand you sometimes, Lemmy. You can be so nonsensically goddamn hostile...
The US president has 100% say in the amount of money and weapons Israel receives, he can order everything to stop like President Reagan in 1982. His refusal to stop genocide, like Reagan did, makes him complicit in Palestinian deaths and the destruction of their homes, culture, and civilization.
So... (and again, I'm trying to parse the situation, not attacking) Biden has been funding the war specifically and giving Israel weapons? Why? To what end? And please don't say genocide because that's not a tangible reward result for Biden or America. If they are doing the above, what do they get from it?
America has been funding Israel for decades. It’s not just a Biden problem, but he’s the one in power while Israel commits genocide.
Yes, I get that. I was finally able to find several news sites reporting the amount of money funnelled to Israel in order to ensure the US has a small foothold in that area of the world. It seems a tad excessive, but politically understandable I suppose. Allies in that region are valuable, but goddamn that's a lot of money.
I also saw that this most recent payment structure was guaranteed for a certain time frame by Obama. Breaking the agreement off would be breaking treaties and guarantees. Not a great thing to do for America, but what's going on over there is not exactly a good look. I think that I now agree that Biden should pull aid from Israel.
Again, thank you for the discussion and explanations. It's nice when people respond instead of just mindlessly downvoting someone who is asking for details.
Yeah maybe America needs a no-genocide clause in their agreements with their allies.
The US finance Israel with billions of dollars
They have given Israel billions of dollars of military aid in just the last three months
Without the US involved, Israel would not be able to cause this level of destruction
The US has also consistently defended Israel in international court and in front of the UN while doing this
Biden is constantly giving Israel money and support, so it is on him
The US is not leaving this war alone, they are intrinsically psrt of it
So... (and again, I'm trying to parse the situation, not attacking so I'm asking all three respondents here the same question so I get a range of replies) Biden has been funding the war specifically and giving Israel weapons? Why? To what end? And please don't say genocide because that's not a tangible reward result for Biden or America. If they are doing the above, what do they get from it?
Because Israel is the US patsy in the Middle East and this way the US keeps power there
Also a lot of oil
The US has been supporting Israel's military since it's inception. Here's a handy graph and historical breakdown.
They are also always the major diplomatic driver towards talks between the Palestinian officials and Israel, historically speaking. The US is very much involved in the conflict.
And since I wasn't very familiar with Axios as a source, here's their Media Bias page.
So... (and again, I'm trying to parse the situation, not attacking so I'm asking all three respondents here the same question so I get a range of replies) Biden has been funding the war specifically and giving Israel weapons? Why? To what end? And please don't say genocide because that's not a tangible reward result for Biden or America. If they are doing the above, what do they get from it?
Understandably, they may have done so after WW2 and the creation of Israel to keep a "friendly" state in the region. That part makes sense.