Misread this and thought they were deleting the Play store app itself, not apps in the store lol
The worst part is that it would be pretty on-brand for Google to do something like that.
Google: We are closing the Google Play Store and rebranding it as Android Market, we believe this better represents what our customer base requires.
Android Market is being discontinued as a standalone app, it will now be rolled into YouTube and you must enable Gemini to use it.
If you still prefer a standalone app however Android now offers Google Play Store, which works similarly to Android Market. It's only available as part of the Google Business Suite however.
We are now launching a messaging app with android market functionality. Its available USA only and not to business suite customers. Using it will require your google account to be converted to a google-youtube account and your personal details, like your name, are now public.
This update adds user privacr features by ensuring all private data on your phone is stored on ggogles secure servers rather than on your phone.
Google has discontinued Google-YouTube accounts and is launching Google Play Duo. To use it, you will need to uninstall all apps and re-download them with your new Duo account. Available soon for US only Pixel 9 PRO phones with an active Duo One subscription.
I unironically miss when it was still Android Market. It was a clear name. What is a Play Store, really?
Edit: I searched it up and the reason is acceptable, you don’t need an Android device to purchase and utilize some of the content. I still think Play Store is a bad name tho
Give them time.
I mean if a lot of people rely on it for apps I imagine a lot of people would get upset lol
The days of Google encouraging third-party stores and users to sideload apps regardless of origin are long gone. We are fast approaching Play becoming as near a simile to Apple’s App Store as we could ever see.
I think it's a stretch to say that Google ever encouraged side loading. But if their plan is to eliminate it all together, that's a pretty scary thing. I don't think it'll go over well in Europe either.
That quote comes out of nowhere. Changing the policies on their store has no effect on side loading software on the os, which still supports it.
I'll go to iOS again if google takes away sideloading. Android already gave in to lose the expandable storage and headphone jack. What's left???
Manufacturers gave in, had nothing to do with Android.
Android still supports expandable storage and headphone jacks just fine. I recently bought a Sony Xperia 5 V and it has both.
No shit? Well that's assuring a bit. So it's just Samsung that's the c**nt about it
Samsung really wants to be Apple. Making it one of the worst Android phones in terms of 'doing your own thing with it'
There are lots of features that used to be common that just didn't make the cut for one reason or another. I still have old phones with a radio tuner and programmable IR remote. Some features just took up too much space, some complicated the manufacturing process.
Some of them still have enough of a market to justify for some manufacturers.
Cue the imminent Play Store mass app deletion which Google has just previewed and confirmed is now just six weeks away: “We’re updating the Spam and Minimum Functionality policy to ensure apps meet uplifted standards for the Play catalog and engage users through quality functionality and content user experiences.”
From August 31, the type of apps in Google’s crosshairs will include those “that are static without app-specific functionalities, for example, text only or PDF file apps, apps with very little content and that do not provide an engaging user experience, for example, single wallpaper apps, and apps that are designed to do nothing or have no function.” Of which there are literally millions—some no doubt on your own phone.
For developers, Google warns apps must “provide a stable, responsive, and engaging user experience… Apps that crash, do not have the basic degree of adequate utility as mobile apps, lack engaging content, or exhibit other behavior that is not consistent with a functional and engaging user experience are not allowed on Google Play.”
basic degree of adequate utility as mobile apps, lack engaging content, or exhibit other behavior that is not consistent with a functional and engaging user experience are not allowed on Google Play.”
They couldn't define it any broader couldn't they?
Pretty sure useful apps will be deleted too. What does even "engaging" mean?
I hope someone will try to make an archive, e.g. the ArchiveTeam.
It's a generic term they can use to justify removal of any app they don't like, which I'm sure is what this is really about
I guess the log of "apps we want to kill but can't justify it in a way that courts would find more acceptable" got too large.
Those apps would be free software anyway. F-droid is the way
some no doubt on your own phone
Yes doubt
For developers, Google warns apps must “provide a stable, responsive, and engaging user experience… Apps that crash, do not have the basic degree of adequate utility as mobile apps, lack engaging content, or exhibit other behavior that is not consistent with a functional and engaging user experience are not allowed on Google Play.”
They kind of just described nearly all of their own apps [as unfit for the Play Store]...
meet uplifted standards
Lol, Play doesn't have standards.
That's why it's disabled.
So any apps that follow the Unix philosophy (even without subscribing to it intentionally) are getting axed. Do something well and don't try to bake in a million other things into your program.
Great! They totally don't want only apps that spy on you, are filled with bloatware and junk, and serve ads upon ads.
For those who dont know these already:
Aurora Store - Install Google Play Store apps without a Google account - I recommend to switch all non-paid apps to be installed with this, and use an anonymous login if possible.
F-Droid: Install apps from centralized repositories (like a package manager) - I recommend to gradually switch all FOSS apps to be installed with this (not all Google Play apps can be installed with F-Droid of course). Other repositories can be added.
Obtainium: Install apps from the 'releases' page of the app's Github/Gitlab - I prefer this to F-Droid if possible, but there is little difference and it is slightly harder to set up, so I don't recommend this initially.
And last of all, installing an APK manually from the internet (works similar to an EXE installer).
Each of these options should work on all Android distributions or ROMs.
Thanka for this comment, I wasn't aware there are so many other options
What's your opinion on APKMirror? I have a fire tablet for which I've been trying to get apps that aren't available throug the Amazon appstore. I just want to make sure that I'm not loading malware.
I think it is relatively trustworthy, and I have used it to install Youtube to be patched with ReVanced. I would still be a little cautious downloading a apk from any website, but apkmirror might be the safest option due to it's popularity. but still use F-Droid or similar if you have the option.
APKMirror uses the hash from the Play Store to verify they're serving you the legit apk.
It's been around for years, the owner is very keen about their little baby, but relies on adverts. If you can put up with the latter you're gucci
Start with the YouTube app, it's unusable now and may actually convince me to cancel.
Libretube (currently flaky but that's temporary), Clipious and Newpipe
Instructions unclear, YouTube Messages begins active development.
excuse me, we need the youtube app for revanced
I mean, I know lemmy has an open source hardon and hates anything walled, but is this really such a bad thing? Google is getting rid of a bunch of shitty apps and risky apps. Nothing is stopping you from still sideloading them if you really need them.
I really fail to see the actual issue aside from "google bad"
Did you read the article? Simple text and PDF readers are in the cross hairs. Apps that aren't "engaging" are in the cross hairs.
I expect developers of perfectly fine apps will have to manually vet those apps with Google.
Yeah, I read it. Didn't think much of it. Are those apps that common? Don't use them, as my browser can read pdf and text files.
Sounds more like some fringe apps will get caught in the cross hairs. Still sounds like a good change for the average end user. For the average power user, it won't make a difference imo.
You only ecosystem where only the big players and big products are allowed to exist?
Ofcourse not, I also use fdroid and I sideload a shitton of apps. But Google is not killing off alternate stores, they're just making their store safer. My whole point is that this change is not that negative. If anything it'll have a positive effect on non tech savvy users. It'll save me time by potentially causing less issues on the devices of family members.
What percent of users will ever sideload? If it's not commonplace, it's not relevant.
Google's not been very open source for a long time.
Android continues to remove open source from their OS over the years for proprietary binaries. They are also continuing to abstract away openness. Stock file managers can't see inside the /sdcard/Android folder anymore. Only via USB on a computer. USB on a computer won't copy some kinds of files into that part of the filesystem. ADB still allows you, for now.
If you try to go to the Android File Transfer app page, it now redirects to Quick Share.
Low level stuff continues to be taken away from the OS. Samsung Android phones in the US aren't even allowed to turn off 5G on some carriers. All Android phones are having carrier select and network mode menus neutered in the US. Apple has more flexibility there, hilariously.
Fun fact: Back when it all kicked off, iPhone had a pretty big open source component in the underlying Mach microkernel and supporting software and there was a whole slew of OSS on their platform.
I hane lost the use of so many Android app I paid for because they were delistd from the Play store. Not happy.
I now resort to creating a backup apk for my most usd ones. I also create a backup befors updating. Never know if an update will break something or even worse, remove a feature.
Sounds like so much worrying and work for barely anything. Your last issues don't even have anything to do with Google or the Play Store
That final part isn't really Google's fault no? But just the devs cutting functions?
Reminder that if they can forcibly delete the app from your phone, you don't own your phone
I run LineageOS on my phone (with gapps) and my tablet (sans gapps). If Google tries deleting stuff it doesn't own on my phone it's LineageOS sans gapps for my phone and probably buying a phone for GrapheneOS.
Can't you just not use Google apps?
Possibly, eventually. Right now I'm using some useful proprietary things from the Play Store, as well as GMail, shared calendar and Maps.
I'm getting too old to self host All The Things, but if Google insists to be a dick I'll let most of it go and self host the rest.
I think these were the ones I installed https://wiki.lineageos.org/gapps/
My Poco X3 Pro has been having annoying ghost touch issues for a while, perhaps the time has come to look into an alternative.
Does anyone have a list of which apps are going to get the axe?
They've already been actively doing it. The paid live wallpapers from KittehFace software from yeeeears back just disappeared from my purchased software history 2 months ago, and the APKs will no longer install. Not even malicious software. Just. Old and outdated, but it worked.
There is a building expectation that this will even hit some popular apps with millions of installs, and some legitimate apps which are low on the quality mark will also fail to make the cut.
Like what? This seems pretty unlikely based on the statement from Google. There is an awful lot of pointless garbage on there.
Meaning, simple apps which are doing one thing well are targeted too for deletion in play store?
I don't think so. If the app is doing something useful it will stay. If it provides just a wallpaper, a static PDF to read (think of user manual apps) it will be removed.
great android getting ruined
what am i gonna use Roms? My phone does not support them
This is kind of insane. I personally am not affected as I don't use Google play or even have Google software but I know people who use a lot of these apps. I guess it is time to tell people about F-droid.
... if an update suddenly enables Play on my phone I'm calling EU. Will I still be able to uninstall stuff via adb?
Until I can reasonably have a Linux phone again (my beloved N900, oh how I miss you), I need to find out which of the Lineage/Calyx/e(/Graphene) supported phones has the best cam system.
What does any of this have to do with Google removing apps from the Play Store?
Oh, I understood they want simultaneously also limit sideloading.
Bad reading comprehension?
Illiterate af
I'm running Graphene on a pixel - google camera works as it would normally. The only issue is the preview-click-to-open-gallery bit not working. It needs the Photos app which I have not installed on purpose.
If you add the Calyx repository to F-droid, you can install their shim that will allow you to use a different gallery app.
Oh, that's great, thx for sharing. One of my concerns (with other brands I mean) is how much better the manufacturers camera app is.
Misread this and thought they were deleting the Play store app itself, not apps in the store lol
The worst part is that it would be pretty on-brand for Google to do something like that.
Google: We are closing the Google Play Store and rebranding it as Android Market, we believe this better represents what our customer base requires.
Android Market is being discontinued as a standalone app, it will now be rolled into YouTube and you must enable Gemini to use it.
If you still prefer a standalone app however Android now offers Google Play Store, which works similarly to Android Market. It's only available as part of the Google Business Suite however.
We are now launching a messaging app with android market functionality. Its available USA only and not to business suite customers. Using it will require your google account to be converted to a google-youtube account and your personal details, like your name, are now public.
This update adds user privacr features by ensuring all private data on your phone is stored on ggogles secure servers rather than on your phone.
Google has discontinued Google-YouTube accounts and is launching Google Play Duo. To use it, you will need to uninstall all apps and re-download them with your new Duo account. Available soon for US only Pixel 9 PRO phones with an active Duo One subscription.
I unironically miss when it was still Android Market. It was a clear name. What is a Play Store, really?
Edit: I searched it up and the reason is acceptable, you don’t need an Android device to purchase and utilize some of the content. I still think Play Store is a bad name tho
Give them time.
I mean if a lot of people rely on it for apps I imagine a lot of people would get upset lol
I think it's a stretch to say that Google ever encouraged side loading. But if their plan is to eliminate it all together, that's a pretty scary thing. I don't think it'll go over well in Europe either.
That quote comes out of nowhere. Changing the policies on their store has no effect on side loading software on the os, which still supports it.
I'll go to iOS again if google takes away sideloading. Android already gave in to lose the expandable storage and headphone jack. What's left???
Manufacturers gave in, had nothing to do with Android.
Android still supports expandable storage and headphone jacks just fine. I recently bought a Sony Xperia 5 V and it has both.
No shit? Well that's assuring a bit. So it's just Samsung that's the c**nt about it
Samsung really wants to be Apple. Making it one of the worst Android phones in terms of 'doing your own thing with it'
There are lots of features that used to be common that just didn't make the cut for one reason or another. I still have old phones with a radio tuner and programmable IR remote. Some features just took up too much space, some complicated the manufacturing process.
Some of them still have enough of a market to justify for some manufacturers.
They couldn't define it any broader couldn't they?
Pretty sure useful apps will be deleted too. What does even "engaging" mean?
I hope someone will try to make an archive, e.g. the ArchiveTeam.
It's a generic term they can use to justify removal of any app they don't like, which I'm sure is what this is really about
I guess the log of "apps we want to kill but can't justify it in a way that courts would find more acceptable" got too large.
Those apps would be free software anyway. F-droid is the way
Yes doubt
They kind of just described nearly all of their own apps [as unfit for the Play Store]...
Lol, Play doesn't have standards.
That's why it's disabled.
So any apps that follow the Unix philosophy (even without subscribing to it intentionally) are getting axed. Do something well and don't try to bake in a million other things into your program.
Great! They totally don't want only apps that spy on you, are filled with bloatware and junk, and serve ads upon ads.
For those who dont know these already:
Aurora Store - Install Google Play Store apps without a Google account - I recommend to switch all non-paid apps to be installed with this, and use an anonymous login if possible.
F-Droid: Install apps from centralized repositories (like a package manager) - I recommend to gradually switch all FOSS apps to be installed with this (not all Google Play apps can be installed with F-Droid of course). Other repositories can be added.
Obtainium: Install apps from the 'releases' page of the app's Github/Gitlab - I prefer this to F-Droid if possible, but there is little difference and it is slightly harder to set up, so I don't recommend this initially.
And last of all, installing an APK manually from the internet (works similar to an EXE installer).
Each of these options should work on all Android distributions or ROMs.
P.S. Please consider using a FOSS android ROM, such as GrapheneOS, LineageOS, /e/, CalyxOS, etc.
Thanka for this comment, I wasn't aware there are so many other options
What's your opinion on APKMirror? I have a fire tablet for which I've been trying to get apps that aren't available throug the Amazon appstore. I just want to make sure that I'm not loading malware.
I think it is relatively trustworthy, and I have used it to install Youtube to be patched with ReVanced. I would still be a little cautious downloading a apk from any website, but apkmirror might be the safest option due to it's popularity. but still use F-Droid or similar if you have the option.
APKMirror uses the hash from the Play Store to verify they're serving you the legit apk.
It's been around for years, the owner is very keen about their little baby, but relies on adverts. If you can put up with the latter you're gucci
Start with the YouTube app, it's unusable now and may actually convince me to cancel.
Libretube (currently flaky but that's temporary), Clipious and Newpipe
Instructions unclear, YouTube Messages begins active development.
excuse me, we need the youtube app for revanced
I mean, I know lemmy has an open source hardon and hates anything walled, but is this really such a bad thing? Google is getting rid of a bunch of shitty apps and risky apps. Nothing is stopping you from still sideloading them if you really need them.
I really fail to see the actual issue aside from "google bad"
Did you read the article? Simple text and PDF readers are in the cross hairs. Apps that aren't "engaging" are in the cross hairs.
I expect developers of perfectly fine apps will have to manually vet those apps with Google.
Yeah, I read it. Didn't think much of it. Are those apps that common? Don't use them, as my browser can read pdf and text files.
Sounds more like some fringe apps will get caught in the cross hairs. Still sounds like a good change for the average end user. For the average power user, it won't make a difference imo.
You only ecosystem where only the big players and big products are allowed to exist?
Ofcourse not, I also use fdroid and I sideload a shitton of apps. But Google is not killing off alternate stores, they're just making their store safer. My whole point is that this change is not that negative. If anything it'll have a positive effect on non tech savvy users. It'll save me time by potentially causing less issues on the devices of family members.
What percent of users will ever sideload? If it's not commonplace, it's not relevant.
Google's not been very open source for a long time.
Android continues to remove open source from their OS over the years for proprietary binaries. They are also continuing to abstract away openness. Stock file managers can't see inside the /sdcard/Android folder anymore. Only via USB on a computer. USB on a computer won't copy some kinds of files into that part of the filesystem. ADB still allows you, for now.
If you try to go to the Android File Transfer app page, it now redirects to Quick Share.
Low level stuff continues to be taken away from the OS. Samsung Android phones in the US aren't even allowed to turn off 5G on some carriers. All Android phones are having carrier select and network mode menus neutered in the US. Apple has more flexibility there, hilariously.
Fun fact: Back when it all kicked off, iPhone had a pretty big open source component in the underlying Mach microkernel and supporting software and there was a whole slew of OSS on their platform.
I hane lost the use of so many Android app I paid for because they were delistd from the Play store. Not happy.
I now resort to creating a backup apk for my most usd ones. I also create a backup befors updating. Never know if an update will break something or even worse, remove a feature.
Sounds like so much worrying and work for barely anything. Your last issues don't even have anything to do with Google or the Play Store
That final part isn't really Google's fault no? But just the devs cutting functions?
Reminder that if they can forcibly delete the app from your phone, you don't own your phone
They're not doing that.
You did before?
I run LineageOS on my phone (with gapps) and my tablet (sans gapps). If Google tries deleting stuff it doesn't own on my phone it's LineageOS sans gapps for my phone and probably buying a phone for GrapheneOS.
Can't you just not use Google apps?
Possibly, eventually. Right now I'm using some useful proprietary things from the Play Store, as well as GMail, shared calendar and Maps.
I'm getting too old to self host All The Things, but if Google insists to be a dick I'll let most of it go and self host the rest.
https://opengapps.org/#aboutsection
I think these were the ones I installed https://wiki.lineageos.org/gapps/ My Poco X3 Pro has been having annoying ghost touch issues for a while, perhaps the time has come to look into an alternative.
So what do you have or are you gonna get?
Does anyone have a list of which apps are going to get the axe?
They've already been actively doing it. The paid live wallpapers from KittehFace software from yeeeears back just disappeared from my purchased software history 2 months ago, and the APKs will no longer install. Not even malicious software. Just. Old and outdated, but it worked.
Like what? This seems pretty unlikely based on the statement from Google. There is an awful lot of pointless garbage on there.
Meaning, simple apps which are doing one thing well are targeted too for deletion in play store?
I don't think so. If the app is doing something useful it will stay. If it provides just a wallpaper, a static PDF to read (think of user manual apps) it will be removed.
great android getting ruined what am i gonna use Roms? My phone does not support them
This is kind of insane. I personally am not affected as I don't use Google play or even have Google software but I know people who use a lot of these apps. I guess it is time to tell people about F-droid.
... if an update suddenly enables Play on my phone I'm calling EU. Will I still be able to uninstall stuff via adb?
Until I can reasonably have a Linux phone again (my beloved N900, oh how I miss you), I need to find out which of the Lineage/Calyx/e(/Graphene) supported phones has the best cam system.
What does any of this have to do with Google removing apps from the Play Store?
Oh, I understood they want simultaneously also limit sideloading.
Bad reading comprehension?
Illiterate af
I'm running Graphene on a pixel - google camera works as it would normally. The only issue is the preview-click-to-open-gallery bit not working. It needs the Photos app which I have not installed on purpose.
If you add the Calyx repository to F-droid, you can install their shim that will allow you to use a different gallery app.
Oh, that's great, thx for sharing. One of my concerns (with other brands I mean) is how much better the manufacturers camera app is.
Calling EU lol
I didn't even vote bcs I was sick.