What are some smaller Lemmy / Kbin instances that are just as good as lemmy.world

gunpachi@lemmy.world to Fediverse@lemmy.world – 136 points –

I'm just asking for recommendations in case, I feel like migrating to a smaller instance or maybe try kbin for a change (but I'll miss the voyager web app)

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Well, you can try mine, https://lemmings.world. It's federated with the bigger instances so you won't miss any content. It's well maintained and supported. And I plan on maintaining it long-term. Also it has Lemmings in the name.

I just finished migrating over to your instance from lemmy.world. I'm liking what I see. Everything seems nice & snappy. (One suggestion: consider turning on email verification to shut down potential bot accounts a bit more thoroughly)

It takes a bit more effort to setup your subscribed /c's on a smaller instance (if you're the first on the instance to sub to a /c, you need to already know the address for it). But once you're subbed to everything you want, it's business as usual. And without constant downtimes!

(EDIT: Had to log in to my old .world account to find this post to comment on it, since I had it bookmarked here)

consider turning on email verification

That's been on my todo list for a while. Though I have crafted some SQL queries that help me with finding bots, until I have time for the email stuff I think I got this covered (even though it takes more time).

If you have any questions or anything else to add about the instance, feel free to reach me!

How are you defining "good" here? Off the top of my head I would say

  • lemm.ee
  • lemmy.sdf.org
  • lemmy.one
  • sh.itjust.works

This is a great list of general-purpose sort of "next step down in size from lemmy.world"-instances.

Well, by "good" I meant general purpose, no NSFW, federates with bigger instances, consitent uptime .. etc.

My instance (https://lemmings.world) fits most of that!

  • general purpose
  • federates with bigger instances (I even have a bot running that's subscribing to popular communities across Lemmy instances so the All feed is full of content and really comparable to the biggest instances)
  • consistent uptime (I have 100% according to lemmyverse.net and 98.93% according to fediverse observer)
  • the only criteria that doesn't fit is that I allow NSFW, but it has to be clearly tagged as NSFW, meaning you can simply disable NSFW on your profile

Hey, OP here. Just joined your instance.

Quick question... What do people usually do when they have accounts in multiple instances ?

Glad to see you here!

Well, depends on if you want to use the other account or not. I had an account on lemmy.world very briefly and I simply don't use it anymore. I didn't delete it in case I need it for some testing, but I don't use it.

Generally I'd say people use their app to login to multiple accounts? I know Liftoff (which I use) can do it, though I don't use the feature very much. I think I've read some apps can merge the feeds from all your accounts into one, though I don't know which (maybe even Liftoff can do it, I really don't know).

So probably lemm.ee and lemmy.sdf.org over the other two, then.

feddit.de has a stable record and username as well. My main is on it and I can’t complain.

sh.itjust.works is pretty popular.

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I like mtgzone.com, but it might not be for everyone

Oh, Magic the gathering! I thought Marjorie Taylor Greene and was agreeing with you that it might not be for everyone.

Trying to imagine who would like her enough to make that. Conservatives only see her as a useful tool.

I have my tiny instance that currently has 4 users, with me being the most active. I update Lemmy regularly, upgrade and manage resources as needed, and even do server management via my phone when I need to. Federated with all of the big ones so there’s no lack in content and I’m always scouring for new communities to sub to. The only rule I have (aside from the ones stated in the rules page) is no NSFW. It’s mostly a CYA measure for myself.

Plus it has a fun URL!

I moved to lemme.ee. i find the rules and regulations and reason for defederation in lemmy.world is so insane. and performance was also not good on lemmy.world. many users have made accounts on the server. Lemme.ee is fast and didn't have any downtime till now.

Tried lemmy.world and lemmy.one but they were both down frequently last week. Bounced to lemm.ee and it's been great so far. The admin is knowledgeable and cares about hosting.

lemmy.world is more often down than not

DDOS attacks have been hitting fediverse sights. LW is combating it. Once they lock it down the DDOS attacks will turn to the smaller servers.

If only lemmy.world would invest into something like stormwall, ddos-guard or nexuspipe. Cloudflare is complete dogshit against most modern ddos attacks (unfortunately).

This is not true. C'mon.

Does it go down? Yes. Annoying. Has it been down longer than it's been up? Of course not.

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Everyone should support small instances. It would be horrible if the entire lemmy network consists of like 10 large instances. And if people don't use the small instances, that will probably happen after a year or two.

Support all the people who has an instance and wants to contribute to the Lemmy network.

Go sign up right now, if only to have an alternate account when needed.

We need a basic set of criteria to vet new small instances as minimally viable, what are they?

Just spitballing a few...

  • At least federated with large instances X, Y and Z...
  • X or above uptime percentage
  • no more than X ratio of users to posts
  • clearly stated content standards and a functional nazi/fascist/misinformation moderation effort

What do you think the list should be?

I'm liking lemmy.one. federates with big instances, rarely downtime, and downvotes are disabled.

I've been enjoying Lemmy.blahaj.zone, though it's more niche given that it's an instance for trans people

Fediverse.observer is a good resource for sorting through and finding different instances for all types of activitypub platforms. There are pages for Lemmy and Kbin among plenty of others. That's how I found the instance I'm currently on, and I'm pretty happy with it.

Good is subjective, given I can see all of the same content, and more.

Also far fewer issues since I don't have to support 100k users here.

What do you mean by "just as good".

It really depends on if you mean amount of content, or are ok with there only being maybe one post a day but that being a quality post worthy of discussion.

Í want to hear about both to be honest.

Scroll to the bottom, tap instances, look around.

There's quite a lot, you can check out join-lemmy.org for a solid list. Mine is open as well, but reading/writing isn't everyones thing

Was on world but then created same account name on sopuli.xyz and not had a single down moment since.

This is just the daily reminder that my instance:

  • is professionally managed
  • has a fair and straightforward path to sustainability (free forever for the first 250 users, after that $8/year membership)
  • is hosted in Germany and privacy is a serious matter
  • pledged to contributes back to open source, 20% of the profits are distributed to the main fediverse projects.

I just opened an account at https://sh.itjust.works after lemmy.world admins went berserk today. So far so good.

What did they do?

Seems super reasonable to me.

At first glace, sure, but when you look into it deeper it's a cowardly move. For one, Hexbear made it perfectly clear they expect their users to abide by the rules of the instances they visit and not cause trouble. Also,

"Defederation should only be considered as a last resort . . . We made the decision to preemptively defederate"

Along with their stated goal to (emphasis mine)

Provide a friendly, safe, and welcoming environment for all members; regardless of gender identity or expression, sexual orientation, disability, personal appearance, body size, race, ethnicity, age, religion, nationality, political affiliation, or other similar characteristic. Human comes first.

Not to mention how long they dragged their heels defederating from the fascists at exploding heads yet are preemptively defederating from hexbear. And to top it all off there's loads of comments calling hexbear users "Russian bot farms" and "a cesspool for genocidal lunatics." The whole thing is ignorant as hell.

On the other hand it was enough to convince me to switch away from lemmy.world, so there's that.

For one, Hexbear made it perfectly clear they expect their users to abide by the rules of the instances they visit and not cause trouble.

The users at Hexbear made it perfectly clear in the discussions about federation that they weren't going to respect that request and were openly encouraging each other to brigade other instances. They seem to have quite a number of participants who were really looking forward to being able to "bully the libs" and a quick scan showed several comments about sending offensive DMs to users of other instances. I was also able to find multiple HB users who openly admitted to already being banned multiple times from beehaw for trollish community breaking behavior.

The idea that BH users would have been well behaved is wishful thinking as they've already shown the Fediverse how they behave. Their instance Admins and Users are also not shy with how they are approaching Federation. They very specifically want the freedom to participate in other instances without those instances being able to engage them. Put together they want the freedom to "own the libs" all across the Fediverse without having those same libs show up in their carefully crafted safe space. They want to eat their cake and have it too.

To be clear I don't agree with how Lemmy.World handled the blocking of Hexbear. I would strongly have preferred community engagement on the issue prior to the block but looking at the Troll Army being formed at HB I can't necessarily fault the admins of LW either. Dealing with ideologically motivated extremists is a lot of work that no one wants to do.

The users at Hexbear made it perfectly clear in the discussions about federation that they weren’t going to respect that request and were openly encouraging each other to brigade other instances.

Source: trust me bro.

and a quick scan showed several comments about sending offensive DMs to users of other instances

I've looked through several Hexbear threads and I haven't seen a single indication of this. The most common sentiment I'm seeing is "fuck 'em, we're better off without them." Link me these alleged comments, please.

The idea that BH users would have been well behaved is wishful thinking as they’ve already shown the Fediverse how they behave.

Frankly lemmy.world users have shown themselves to be considerably worse, straight up making shit up and calling Hexbear users “Russian bot farms” and “a cesspool for genocidal lunatics." All the incivility is coming from the frothing-at-the-mouth libs who can't stand that other people might have genuine anti-imperialist views.

ideologically motivated extremists

"Extremists" lmao. The nerve of you calling HB a "troll army" after posting all these completely unsubstantiated lies.

Meh. Sounds like a bunch of tankie bullshit.