Transgender adults in Florida are blindsided that a new law also limits their access to health care
apnews.com
The new law that bans gender-affirming care for minors also mandates that adult patients seeking trans health care sign an informed consent form. It also requires a physician to oversee any health care related to transitioning, and for people to see that doctor in person. Those rules have proven particularly onerous because many people received care from nurse practitioners and used telehealth. The law also made it a crime to violate the new requirements.
Another new law that allows doctors and pharmacists to refuse to treat transgender people further limits their options.
It's almost as if it was never about children???
Actually fucking painful the amount of people I had this argument with, hate being vindicated in this way. It was never about the children, it's purely about hate.
Fascism always needs a Boogeyman
Funny how the same people supporting this law oppose universal school breakfast/lunches, subsidized neonatal/child healthcare, and funding for extracurricular programs.
only if those programs support minorities. government-funded school breakfasts or lunches, healthcare subsidies, and funding for school extracurricular programs are all A-OK as long as we can make sure it only happens at schools that primarily serve rich white christians.
Pro life...until you're out of the womb... then you're on your own... and get to work!... didn't you hear about the rollback of child labor laws?
Then why is "stop targeting kids" seen as transphobic if it's nothing to do with kids?
Curious
Stop targeting kids with child marriage, beauty parents and abusers in the church. Those are real problems that children face.
You don't give a damn about children. This is entirely about targeting a class of people you hate, with kids as the excuse, and it's fucking vile and evil.
Let me know when actual people support that on the right
Go rewatch cuties
The same reasoning the Nazies called themselves socialist, despite being a fascist dictatorship. Why China says they are communist, while being a dictatorship with limited capitalism. And the US thinking it's a democracy when it's a Oligarchy with limited local democracy.
Dumb people think words mean more than actions/reality.
Socialism and communism always lead to facism. It's inevitable.
As in because the pendulum swings from the far left to the far right? Or were you just mistakenly conflating those two completely opposite political theories?
Calling the Nazis far right is ignoring that their politics were more complicated than a simple 2D spectrum. They adopted ideas from both left and right.
They certainly adopt rhetoric from the left which helps them get elected, then enact exclusively right-wing policies when they actually have power, sure. Fascists usually use populist rhetoric to get into power but then they never do anything to actually reduce inequality (because that would be the opposite of fascism).
those concepts are incredibly easy to take advantage of and you will get someone who will abuse it
Abusing capitalism = someone has more money, more greed but you can still be part of the system and get there if lucky
Abusing communism = fascist dictator and no one can improve their way of living
You need to take several world history courses, political science courses, and maybe see a psychiatrist before I even begin to argue with you. It's obvious you are a troll with no actual understanding. Just go away. I've already blocked you so don't worry about commenting back, but please, do better.
Oh nyo a block from a fascist pls no
For all the incessant whining conservatives do about being called fascists, most of the time I see someone call another person "fascist," it's a conservative shrieking it at someone who doesn't want to use the government to oppress vulnerable minorities.
The fact you want to suppress speech and ban as many people as you can who don't agree is what makes you fascist
And what led you to that idea?
Experience with the rainbow and liberals
Not all authoritarianism is fascism. All fascism is authoritarian, of course, but fascism isn't the only authoritarian system of government.
Ah that's alright then
Because people like you repeatedly say trans people are grooming kids, just like people like you said gay men were grooming kids, just like people like you said black men were grooming your kids (to do drugs).
Personally, I don't see what is "curious" about responding to wild accusations against an entire minority group with a resounding "that's not happening and you're using a dog whistle to dehumanize trans people."
Things may be less "curious" for you if, instead of starting with a conclusion and working backwards to justify/explain it, you started with a question/hypothesis and worked towards a logical conclusion. Just a suggestion.
So instead of proving that they aren't targeting kids with all the school material and drag shows where they encourage kids to dance you decide yes make that statement transphobic
No don't defend yourself and prove they are wrong. Just call them names for saying it showing them that yes you are that but don't say it
You're calling people pedos (EDIT: and fascists) because they don't hate trans people.
Any proof of that or you projecting?
Here's you calling someone at a fascist:
https://old.lemmy.world/comment/2145458
Here's you calling me a pedo:
https://old.lemmy.world/comment/2145607
Don't whine about being called names you shriek at others.
The proof of "because they don't hate trans people"
Not because they are acting like fascists and you defending pedos over attacking issues in the trans community
Says the guy who wants to oppress vulnerable minorities.
I am fiercely in opposition to pedos. I've supplied an example of such opposition.
Where did I say that? Once again you're projecting hard just so you can feel morally superior, disgusting.
no proof whatsoever, actually.
They don't even know what they're talking about as usual
yep
What school material? Please show this material. And who is forcing them to go to drag shows?
Do people really stick their head in the sand when it comes to real issues?
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12307055/amp/Big-W-comes-fire-graphic-sexual-book-aimed-children-written-ABC-personality-Yumi-Stynes.html
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12168561/amp/Fury-LGBT-kids-title-called-Grandads-Pride-features-sexual-fetishes.html
https://www.theblaze.com/news/school-district-that-removed-sexually-explicit-books-sued-by-publisher-authors-who-blast-extremist-minority-for-silencing-lgbtq-non-white-voices
https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1646880373819703312
https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1681007346015690753
And as for drag shit;
https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1681092876313214976
https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1639266932258906113
I can't stand people who look at this and defend it or just pass it off because actual videos aren't evidence if it isn't from "approved news outlets"
If you think reading a book to children is predatory grooming then that might be a you problem.
Because the bigots who say it aren't saying it about people who are targeting kids. They're falsely accusing trans people of targeting kids.
So you say that sentence is transphobic instead of disowning those who do target kids?
Yeah continue to support them pedo
https://old.lemmy.world/comment/1094256
I am critical of those who target kids. And their apologists. This thread is about trans people. Not people who target kids. Your attempts to link the two are pure hate and nothing more.
The fact I am called transphobic for even saying that is enough of a link
You act like you can just label people whatever you want and have zero consequences to it
You're literally calling people pedos and fascists.
Indeed so stop acting like good little fascists who are pro censorship and anti democracy
And focusing on "stop targeting kids" instead of the issues by labeling them transphobic is very pedo behavior
Watching you repeat debunked baseless accusations is tiresome.
JAQoff
Stop targeting kids.
Because nobody in the LGBT community is targeting kids with anything, so when you make that implication, you are perpetuating an offensive and recently extremely dangerous stereotype which has actually gotten people killed already.
Just in case you aren't actually trolling and legitimately don't understand this.
Form the powerhouse that brought you such groovy hits like, “Don’t Tread on Me” and “Small Goverment Now!” comes a new hip tune by the GOPissfarts:
“We Are Slackjawed Hypocrites.”
Enjoy their olympic-level feat of mental gymnastics as they spew the barely coherent rhetoric-laced psychobabble of meaningless nonsense while simultaneously trying to justify how “iTs diFfErEnT wHeN iTs aBoUt tEh gAyS*™”
it's only hypocrisy if you take the most generous possible interpretation of the things the right-wingers say, not what they so obviously mean
it's always been very clear all along that "don't tread on me" doesn't mean the same thing as "don't tread on anybody". they want some people to be firmly tread upon, and others not to be.
It's not about gays though, it's about children thinking they are trans.
Yes, there needs to be limits on the health care that is provided to children and parental concent.
There's nothing hypocritical about that.
Most of those children KNOW they are trans. Do you have a problem with them too? Or is it just the one that think they are. Because for the ones that think they are, there’s therapy for them to get an understanding of what going on- but you conservatives are shutting that down.
So how about you tell me what’s to be done when that happens? What will we do about the ones that still think they’re trans when there’s nothing to help them under it?
Lastly…
What the fuck is wrong with someone being trans?
I disagree that children know they are trans.
You're trying to equate bigotry "there must be something wrong with trans" with the idea that "children do not have enough life experience to understand complex things like sex and gender"
I don't think children are smart enough not to shove a pencil up their nose, and you think they understand things like sex, gender expression, parenthood, and sexuality?
And you think children can decide they are trans?
No.
This kind of rhetoric has to stop.
Children cannot decide if they have gender dysphoria.
Trans adults recall being trans kids. But this is the root of most transphobia. You simply do not believe transgender people when they speak.
Keep your nose out of other people's healthcare.
You're right.
If you don't think children understand things like sex or gender, then we should teach them that queer people exist, and we should probably allow them to express their gender identities however they want, because if they don't fully understand it, giving them a safe space to try out different identities when younger so that they are in a position to make difficult decisions like identity at crucial points in their life, like the need to take puberty blockers.
That is a really progressive stance, thank you for being an ally.
I think children are smarter than people like you give them credit for, and therapy can help them figure out how they feel and allow them to make sense of it all.
Children need advocacy, not people that think they’re not smart enough to tell when they don’t feel right.
Please don’t have children, and stay away from those of others. People like you should not be weighing in on the mental health of children.
The existence of minorities conservatives want to oppress is not up for debate.
It's about conservatives' stated goal of eradicating trans people. A goal you're furthering in this thread.
They're coming for your
gunshealthcare. Next is your contraceptives.FWIW, they came for your porn in many GOP-controlled states.
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Terrible news, of course, but I'd like to thank OP for including a little of the article. It means, in my blog, I can link to this page on Lemmy, instead of linking to the article and all the ads no doubt awaiting readers there...
I don't think AP has any ads. They make their money by selling their news to other companies.
I'm genetically allergic to ads, and have five adblockers running, but you got me curious so I went to the posted story on a different browser, without the blockers, and
MY EYES, MY EYES!!!
There's an oversided banner ad, a floating and moving video, soon a popup ad that blocks the whole page, and more animated ads in the sidebar as you scroll down.
Sigh. I don't object to ads that sit there waiting to be read, but I can't stand the ads that block what you're there to see, ads that follow your mouse, ads that wave and shout and jump around for attention, and my favorite at many TV news sites, the last ad that pops up when you scroll your mouse toward closing the tab.
I don't even believe in hell, but if it exists it's jammed full of people who worked in advertising. :)
"Blindsided" is incorrect. If you are a minority living in Florida and you're just now realizing that The government is less than amenable towards you then you have been willfully ignorant at best.
Florida continues the habit of ensuring it hurts every citizen in it's state. Has Florida actually done anything "good" for all of Florida?
They came for the people who were disenfranchised and couldn't vote them out of office.
Now they're coming for you because you could have and didn't.
Nobody deserves to be treated like this, to have stupid bigoted political games played with their healthcare, but if you were okay with it being done to young people, you at least should not be surprised that now it's also being done to you.
Now, do you really think there are enough trans adults in Florida to vote out the people who created this law? The article doesn't say they voted Republican and I think we can assume they didn't. The reason they used the word "blindsided" is because they say the adult aspects of the bill were never part of the public discussion in the news. Of course they could have sought out the full text of the bill, read it and publicized it themselves. But they probably thought they already knew it was a terrible idea without reading past the denial of care to youths. And even if they had risen en masse to protest both new laws, it would only have further energized the red wing who portray them as evil degenerates undermining society.
What a nasty way to respond to a minority losing healthcare access. It's really easy to sit there and tell them they should have tried harder when you're not the one doing the work.
Exactly, this is a farcical argument. The simple fact is that we as a society are only as good as how we treat and support our most disenfranchised people.
This argument presumes that only trans and a handful of their friends and family members support trans rights and trans integration into broader society, when the truth is that the majority of people want trans integration because we know aforementioned simple fact from having researched, and in some cases lived, the consequences of not standing up for disenfranchised peoples in the past.
Please, even a blind person could see the writing on the wall.
Are you a trans person with a distaste for your fellow trans people who can't afford to move out/want to stay and fight, or do you just enjoy crowing about trans people losing access to healthcare?
Do you practice being this disingenuous or are you stupid on purpose?
Did you expect anyone to come away with a different conclusion from your condescending dismissal of trans people who are in Florida and right now do not have access to medically necessary care?
Only if they're disingenuous or stupid, hence the question.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Like many transgender adults in Florida, he and Lucas are now facing tough choices, including whether to uproot their lives so that they can continue to access gender-confirming care.
Lucas, 26, lost his access to treatment when the Orlando clinic that prescribed him hormone replacement therapy stopped providing gender-affirming care altogether.
But SPEKTRUM Health Inc., the Orlando clinic that prescribed Lucas hormone replacement therapy, has stopped providing gender-affirming care.
“There are a lot of people looking for care that we’re no longer legally able to provide,” said Lana Dunn, SPEKTRUM Health’s chief operating officer.
Florida has the second-largest population of transgender adults in the U.S., at an estimated 94,900 people, according to the Williams Institute at the University of California, Los Angeles School of Law.
While SPEKTRUM has bolstered its mental health services since the law passed, it and other organizations heavily rely on nurse practitioners to provide care.
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If I lived in Florida, I try and get telehealth and mail order scripts from a blue state that with trans sanctuary and healthcare protection laws. There are a number of states where the healthcare provider is protected from evil red state laws.
They specifically banned Telehealth in the legislative changes.
I'm sure we will see red State bounty hunters entering blue states and kidnapping providers soon though.
This is just helicopter surveillance. They don't trust trans people and are scared of them, this will be such a compromise for them
The GOP in general, and DeSpicable in particular, need to survey the bottom of the Marianas Trench to show those bottom feeders how it's done.
(I hear OceanGate has the perfect submarine to get them there!)
GOP are disgusting
I'm just waiting for the day I can vote him out of office. Just this once. I mean how are Floridians settling for this?!
He's never gonna leave. He's like a bedbug
I never thought the leopards would eat my face
I highly doubt the adult trans community supports the anti-trans movement, so this doesn't really apply.
They are just also victims of a fascist law because the fascists (likely intentionally) wrote it vaguely enough that it has broad ramifications.
EDIT: It's right in the title. I am a boob.
EDIT 2: I am being brigaded. Weird. Don't people have better things to do?
I don't see how the title implies what you said was false? Sure they were surprised about this specific law, but it's not like they didn't think those leopards were gonna eat their face as soon as the young were devoured. This seems kind of victim blamey to me too.
The full leopards ate my face quote is about people voting for the leopards eating faces party, which I doubt trans people in Florida were doing
If you're both Trans and living in Florida and are "blindsided" by this, you are either very rich or very poor.
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I am confused isn't it a good thing? Nurses and telehealth workers are not doctors and seeing is a doctor is a much safer way than some rando nurse or telehealth worker.
No, because these professions should still be qualified and doctors also like to ramble stupid things at times.
and you think the in general nurses and telehealth workers are more qualified than doctors?
I honestly don't think the laws requiring a doctor and informed consent are bad, it really is a major health and life change to take hormones or have reassignment surgery. don't think a doctor should be able to refuse care without a VERY good reason, though. Also: fuck DeSantis, people should get the hell out of Florida.
Edit: I'm being downvoted but not sure why.... So is taking hormones/blockers or getting reassignment surgery not a major health and life change? One shouldn't get advice and care from a professional when doing so?
Do doctors not have a right to reject patients who have been groomed into specific therapy seeking behaviors? Do doctors have to be forced to give treatments that they don't see any efficacy in? So much double speak here. Really what this law did was give doctors the right to not be forced by the state into using a specific politically enforced form of therapy that usually results in suicide.
Should doctors be forced to offer the method for which the scientific consensus is that it's the best treatment for that issue?
Definitely!
The high rates of suicide are because of lack of treatment or starting too late. Not because of gender affirming treatment.
Doctors that do not operate on evidence-based best practice should lose their licenses, regardless of what the law states.
That includes doctors who believe nonsense about gender identity being "mental illness" not deserving of appropriate (gender affirming) treatment
fortunately you're not in charge of which doctors get a license, eh?
WTF are you on about?
Oh, so this is just like r/politics
I hope the mods aren't as willing to give bigots the benefit of the doubt as they are on reddit.
ok, so sign the paperwork. what's the problem?
and there's nothing wrong with allowing medical practitioners to choose what cases they want to work on - it's no different from a surgeon picking what surgeries they perform. being prescribed hormones isnt even a "life saving" medical issue... it's more along the lines of cosmetic surgery (liposuction, plastic surgery, etc).
I sincerely hope you never have an event in your life where a doctor decides they don't want to work on your case anymore. It's happened to me. I have a chronic and very painful nerve disorder and I had a doctor tell me they couldn't help me anymore. Now in that case, it was fair, because he was just out of ideas and thought I could get better care in a bigger city. But imagine if this doctor had just said, "I don't feel like helping your kind." Imagine if I was bleeding out and the doctor felt that way.
It is absolutely wrong, and unethical, for a doctor to refuse to treat a sick person without very good reason. And "I have a moral objection" is not a very good reason.
Imagine being unable to go to a doctor near you and instead having to travel 40 miles to get to a doctor who is willing to care for you, or not being able to go a doctor your insurance covers purely due to legalized discrimination (especially legalized discrimination that was once illegal!)
The goal of explicitly allowing discrimination against a particular minority (especially in healthcare) is to retarn to the Jim Crowe era where the members of the minority group is limited to only being able to access inferior services, greatly reducing the quality and longevity of their lives
Suicide rates of folks who want to transition but are denied care are scary high.
Hormone replacement therapy (which by the way is reserved for adults and only after extensive, typically years-long consultation. Minors will receive puberty blockers to delay puberty until they are old enough to make an informed decision on how they wish to proceed) is not cosmetic but flat out is a large part of the physical transition that trans people go through
Note: I'm going off of memory from discussions with trans friends, anyone with more experience related to the transitioning process please feel free to correct me on the specifics
I am really tired of this argument that trans health care is "just cosmetic".
When I walk out of my house every day how I read as male, female or something in between will color my every interaction with every stranger I meet. It also impacts how safe and confident we feel existing in public space. If people can "clock" someone is trans your entire experience changes. If you do not visually conform to the gender stated on your legal documents your world gets smaller. You cannot travel without potentially getting detained, searched or interrogated and some places you can't travel at all. You might be passed over as a perspective renter, refused service somewhere you need due to someone's "moral objections". Never mind how everyone will misgender you.
When you don't pass the world is a different place. People stare at you more, scrutinize you more, treat you with kid gloves or like you are mentally ill. They find it more acceptable to ask you questions about shit that really isn't their business. People who think people like you shouldn't exist can spot you at a distance and are more likely to stalk you to less populated secondary locations. People are more likely to harass you in general and the experience of just being legitimately considered "ugly" can ruin your self esteem because the overwhelming reaction you get from people is that they wish they didn't have to experience you. Then when you get home and look yourself in the mirror all of that compounds to the vision of yourself as a being who does not deserve kindness. That yes, you are ugly, incomplete and you never will be real enough but there's no going back because this is still better than where you came from. That this might be the best it will ever getand you just have to live with it.
To render that down to "it's all just cosmetic" is to ignore the entire politics of sex, gender and how transphobia shapes one's experiences. You may not think gender colors your experience but that is because you can take it for granted. That's part of the cis experience. That is an advantage that trans people do not have. We do not have the advantage or capability of not caring. We can try to ignore our needs but they are still needs. Ignored those unmet needs just become depression, anxiety, a pervasive sense that nobody knows you (just a fake version of you that is performed for their acceptance) , a deep loneliness and sense of being invisible.
It's is a good recipe for making dying a lot more attractive then having to keep up the facade of living.
Its for minors. Minors can not consent to tattoos, much less "gender affirming care"
Tell me you didn't read the article without telling me you didn't read the article. Heck, even the tldr bot's content is enough.
It's in the title too!
That's what liars claim, yes. The article details how that's a lie, at length. You don't give a shit. You're here to spread lies.
Is there any other obvious oppression of marginalized groups you wish to deny?
Probably whichever one conservatives are angry at today
Thanks for letting everyone know you didn't read the article.
Article? They didn't even read the headline.
Can't wait till you figure out how to read replies.
What's funny, is I click the link, and I can't see your comment, but I can see your comment in my inbox just fine. Did you block me or something? Kinda wondering how that works.
And for the record, not everything is worth replying to, especially when it's from leftists who haven't even read the law. It's not even misinformed leftism at this point, y'all have been mal-informed.
I did not block you, probably federation pains. And goddamn is that the funniest shit I've ever heard from a Reich singer that didn't even read the article.
Reich singer? A new insult? Finally, someone with an ounce of creativity!
unfortunately, that's all the creativity they'll have for the month. sad
it's a fucky bug with the version of lemmy that lemmy.world is using - I have the same issue.
Do you feel this strongly about circumcision?
Yeah, it should be outlawed. Thankfully most here seem to agree with that
Don't you think it's a little odd that most of the people against gender affirming care for children don't have a problem with circumcision? Because, frankly, you're the first person I asked who was against both. No nose jobs or breast reduction for teenage girls either, right?
No, it's not odd. I'm well aware of what a circlejerk is.
And yes, no nose jobs for teenage girls. Breast reductions, sure, if there's back problems or whatever the case might be.
I see, so back problems should lead to plastic surgery but suicide that can be averted through medication shouldn't be tried. Interesting.
Breast reduction is not plastic surgery. Its literally getting weight off your chest. Some women have over twenty pounds of breasts, it can be a serious medical problem.
Um... https://www.plasticsurgery.org/reconstructive-procedures/breast-reduction