'This Maniac Must Be Stopped': Netanyahu Condemned Over Massive Beirut Bombing
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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/20788199
Jessica Corbett
Sep 27, 2024
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/20788199
Jessica Corbett
Sep 27, 2024
Just war crime after war crime at this point.
And why not? He has virtually unlimited U.S. weapons as well as bi-partisan support from U.S. politicians. It's as though we're just setting our attack dog loose on everyone.
It's fucking astonishing that we have any relationship with Israel at all these days. The U.S. gets absolutely nothing out of this one-sided relationship.
Israel offers us:
-No unique strategic military position (we have that area covered already).
-No high-value industrial benefits (no natural resources or unique trade).
-No military arsenal or manpower support (their arsenal comes from us and their personnel is quite limited).
It's time to let them make friends with their neighbors on their own. They don't need us to do that and we sure as fuck don't need them.
The US is a parent sitting and watching its problem child beat the shit out of the other children in the playpark. Other concerned parents keep asking the US to do something, to which they shrug and say "kids will be kids, what can you do" while handing their child a knuckleduster.
Hacking and Blackmail are Israeli strengths. The two most common theories I hear are that that elected officials are impressed with the Israeli hacking capabilities and rather keep them on our side, or they are actively exploiting those capabilities to bend politicians to their will. Seeing how Israel operates in public with innocent civilians it seems rather obvious our predicament.
The problem with hacking and intelligence is they're vulnerable to hard power. In other words you can hack stuff but you're not going to hack your way out of Delta raiding your office. If Israel is using their hacking and intelligence to blackmail politicians then they're constantly one fuck away from "find out".
Israel controlling politicians via blackmail seems to be the obvious truth for a long time.
Also a lot of technologies and systems good for collecting material for blackmail come from Israel or are associated with it. ICQ and Viber, for example. While Telegram is apparently unofficially associated.
There were rumors of Epstein's connections to Israel and that his island was most of intended for collecting such material.
There's plenty of spyware coming from Israel sold to governments and such.
There have been a few Israeli operations of the nature supporting that spying is what they do most, and exactly in the way most convenient for blackmail, and all the rest being secondary.
But these are not as important as for Israelis themselves it being absolutely normal to say that yes, that's what Mossad does and should do, that's its job - to get power base for Israel's interests, blackmail of politicians and any crime involved. They put it in that "desperate need for survival" framing, but it's the common idea for them.
And while what Israel does currently is disgusting, I would dream of Armenians ever having such an influence net. With very few limitations on means to achieve it.
But they do have AIPAC, which likes to pedal its influence into local US politics.
Agreed! (Emphasis on the "greed")
Main thing the US gets from Israel is Market Capital Export.
Israel accounts for what, like 30-40% of all recent American acquired startups?
Do you have a source for this?
My understanding is the primary trade between the U.S and Israel is diamonds. We each export over $1B worth of diamonds and also each import over $1B worth of diamonds between one another. In the past year, the U.S. imported about half a billion dollars more from Israel than it exported to Israel (again mostly diamonds in both directions).
The diamond trade between our countries does not justify our participation in unnecessary wars (or genocides) in my opinion. It seems unlikely to be the reason we are so committed to this relationship. I think AIPAC's financial involvement in our elections represents a much bigger reason we support Israel.
Unfortunately, as long as we leave political offices to be filled by the worst of us this will continue. Voting is only half the battle.
Best I can do is giving him more bombs
Biden instantly sending 8 Billion dollars in weapons really says it all. The US is planning to let Netanyahu bomb everything he wants. When they strike back in kind the US will use it as a pretense send in troops to start a war with Iran.
A smart move by Netanyahu. He knows he needs to get rid of Iran or they will outpace Israel. Now that Israel fully controls America this is the time to start their war with Iran with impunity.
Wasn't this before the bombing?
Edit: source
One day before the bombing of Nasrallah (with advance knowledge and US cooperation). But after Israel started their recent Lebanon bombing campaign.
They don't fully control America though. Most of us didn't even realize the actual situation until this year. The Palestinians just got lumped in under terrorism and that was that. The new media exposure is turning that around. If you look at our response to apartheid in South Africa it's tracking pretty closely. The halls of power didn't want to care and the people forced them to care.
The worst part is the behavior of Netanyahu's Israel is making people sympathetic to facism and Nazism, something unseen since the 1930s.
The companies making military weapons and gear for Israel can be found here according to AFSC.
The US has committed grants to Israel to buy weapons through 2028. It's benefiting the above corporations. While not all US based, it still is just another example of our corporate overlords fiucking the world over for profits).
Is there somewhere they are separated by country? Would be helpful to people who want to know what they should demonstrate against in their country.
Reagab stopped them from doing this exact same thing 40 years ago. Anyone still gonna say this administration isn't more Zionist than usual?
Hasn't every administration slowed them down except for Biden's?
Trump. Obama was the last one to hold them accountable for anything.
And Trump's but basically yeah.
He’s dead. Article states he lived.
Residential buildings that Hezbollah intentionally set up a headquarters in the basement of.
Thats already a war crime by Hezbollah.
Firstly, being the second one to commit a war crime does not make the act of doing so any less heinous.
Secondly, do you have any actual evidence you're basing that on, or is it just Israel's word you're taking? Because we know for a fact that Israel bombed civilians, and as far as I've seen, it's just hearsay that they were targeting actual Hezbollah members. On the other hand, we do know for fact that they've used this justification falsely before, so I'm disinclined to believe anything they say, frankly.
You want evidence?? Are you some kind of antisemite?? /s
I mean, high ranking Hezbollah members do keep dying in these strikes, possibly including Nasrallah in this latest one. Sure Israel are still dicks for accepting the levels of civilian casualties that come along with it but the strikes do seem to be hitting actual targets.
The targets (so far):
In addition to the entire genocide still going on in Gaza and ramping up in the West Bank
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/09/28/israel-hezbollah-war-gaza-hamas-latest-news/
Actual evidence.
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Being detered by human shields means that more human shields are used. It's the same logic as refusing to pay ransom for kidnappers. The opposite would just encourage more kidnappings.
It's literally terrorist 101 to use human shields. This tactic has been used by every insurgency in the last hundred years.
It's why it was added as a war crime.
As for the second one to commit a war crime. If you follow the rules, but your enemy doesn't, you will lose. This is the international equivalent of the bunch buggy no punch back bullshit that let's people hit you with no retaliation.
Repeating the same lies "human shields" and "terrorist" doesn't make it true.
The leader of Hezbollah was confirmed dead in the attack, so clearly they were using human shields... They have been attacking Israel from a foreign country, and are not part of that countries military, which makes them terrorists.
You don't like the truth, but lying about it doesnt change the facts of the matter.
It makes them a paramilitary organization. They're fulfilling their duty under international law to stop genocide.
They're committing war crimes constantly. Attacking civilians and using human shields by building their bases in residential buildings.
They aren't fulfilling any sort of duty.
What about repeating the Truth? Because that's what he's actually doing.
The IDF uses Palestinians as human shields.
There are literal videos of this.
So Isrealis are terrorists? We have actual video of them using human shields.
Yes? I've never claimed they aren't bad. The US does it too, along with pretty much every country who goes to war because international law and the rules of war are bullshit.
There are no rules in war other than "win"
This should be fun. Where uh... Where's the US policy on using human shields?
The "everybody does it" argument is complete bullshit, but I'd love to see your evidence that the US routinely and as a matter of standard procedure uses human shields.
Fucks sake, this again?
Benny just can't help him.
That's what so many are unwilling to aknowledge. Civilian deaths are only issue for the western nations. Not to these extremists. Being martyred lands them into heaven. Not only is this a non-issue for them but it's actually a good thing. They get to heaven and western media will slam Israel for it. Win-win.
Oh no, people are willing to die for their homes? Craaaaaazy.
Not willing to, but having to because there's a terrorist HQ / ammunation storage in the basement or a missile launcher on the school / mosque / hospital yard that they themselves didn't agree to.
Man you go from "that apartment and all people inside were terrorists" to "oh the civilians actually also hate these terrorists" real quick. The line between civilian or terrorist is whatever you want.
At no point has anyone claimed it's only been terrorists in those buildings.
Just cool with targeting civilians then. Damn. Normally y'all genocidal freaks like to do a little double talk to avoid saying it.
Attacking me personally (ad hominem) for a view I don’t even hold isn’t an argument against what I’m actually saying. I don’t know what you imagine you’re achieving with this inflammatory style of commenting and strawmanning your opponent’s arguments.
Because I do not take your arguments in good faith because I do not discuss the justifications of genocide. Your argument is evil and I mean it in the purest sense I can muster. I consider you an evil person for actively holding and defending evil ideas of genocide. I do not respect evil people. There is discussion to be had on the topic but not with people like you.
your comment will be downvoted coz lemmy is full of left wingers who prefers to instill their lame ass rhetorics than see the fact that it was hamas and their asswipe cronies that handed israel the reason on a silver platter.
lets not forget,these hamas terrorist supporters had no qualms using civilians as shields,israel just decided to even the playong field.
You don't think they're well past evening the playing field by now?
It's not about winning the fight, it's about ensuring they are never considered a viable target again.
israel lost the plot,that much is certain.
as of now,hamas handed israel the golden key and israel will not hesitate to use it to the fullest.
genocide or not,until hamas is exterminated,israel will not face any consequences for their actions.
At what point should they have consequences? They can't keep bombing civilians without consequence
If the only thing stopping you from doing war crimes is a reason then your a scumbag.
Grammer Nazi. Gottem
sieg heil.
“This is the only story of mine whose moral I know,” writes Kurt Vonnegut at the beginning of his 1962 novel Mother Night. “I don’t think it’s a marvelous moral; I simply happen to know what it is: We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be.”
heil.
Stop pushing this BS to justify Israel's Genocide. On the subject of Human Shields, there are some independent reports for past conflicts of Hamas jeopardizing the safety of civilians via Rocket fire in dense urban areas, two instances during Oct 7th, but no independent verification since then so far. None of which absolve Israel of the crime of targeting civilians under international law:
HRW on Laws-of-War Violations 2009
Agency Demands Full Respect for the Sanctity of Its Premises in Gaza - July 2014
HRW - Palestinian Armed Groups’ October 7 Assault on Israel
Israel/OPT: Israeli attacks targeting Hamas and other armed group fighters that killed scores of displaced civilians in Rafah should be investigated as war crimes
HRW - Gaza: Unlawful Israeli Hospital Strikes Worsen Health Crisis
Additionally, there is extensive independent verification of Israel using Palestinians as Human Shields: IDF uses Human Shields, including Children (2013 Report), and in the latest war Israel “Systematically” Uses Gaza Children as Human Shields, Rights Group Finds