Idaho State Sen. Dan Foreman, a conservative Republican
Said this to
Trish Carter-Goodheart, a Democrat running for a House seat
Always use names. The veil of "a politician said" or "big company does" is too blinding. Name and shame.
Which state someone is from isn't what people care about.
*Y'all are some funny misreaders. I don't support him, I'm just saying these idiots don't care about the state. Focusing on state for some reason is weird.
It isn't, but to be fair, it absolutely does add an additional layer of irony that they weren't even born there.
"where you come from doesn't matter" says someguy3 in defense of a racist colonist telling someone to go back where they came from while actively living on their land.
??? I don't support him, I'm just saying these idiots don't care about the state.
The point is the hypocrisy. Telling someone to go back where they came from in a place where you aren't from either is hypocritical as fuck.
pointing out hypocrisy is so pointless. does anyone on the left not realize that they're all hypocrites? please raise your hand if you need that explained.
ok. next issue on the docket: what are we going to do about it?
Yeah these idiots don't care if they're not from that state. They (the idiots) claim the US. Yes that's the hypocrisy. I don't know why everyone is so focused on state hypocrisy all of a sudden like that's the "gotcha, you can't be racist now". Racism is far deeper and stupider than that.
I don’t know why everyone is so focused on state hypocrisy all of a sudden like that’s the “gotcha, you can’t be racist now”.
They aren't? They're just pointing out he's a hypocrite. I'm not sure why you don't think that's a damnation.
we all get it. the next step is DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
What exactly do you expect me to do? I'm not even in Idaho.
“Idaho senator born in another state tells Native American congressional candidate from a tribe native to the state to “go back where you came from.”
Literally focused on state. That's precisely the exacting point they were making. Like how do you read that and not think that was about the state.
And yes I think there is hypocrite damnation. Like how do you misread so badly that you think I don't jfc. The hypocrite damnation belongs on the national level, not the state level. It doesn't go away just because you're from that state.
I don't even understand what you're saying. The guy is a hypocrite because the woman he told to go back where she came from was from the tribe that literally came from that land they were on, while he came from Illinois.
Dude I bolded where the comment I replied to was about the state. I can't make it any clearer than that.
Yes, I saw what you bolded. I'm still not sure why you think that makes him not a hypocrite.
Seriously? Go back and read again. And don't say that I'm saying he's not a hypocrite, because I am saying he's a hypocrite. Just not because of the state level, because of the national level. Seriously I can't keep explaining the same thing to you. Like JFC how do you misread so badly. Go back and read slowly and carefully. I can't help you any more.
He's a hypocrite on both levels. He came from a different state, so he's a hypocrite to tell her that, and he's not indigenous, so he's a hypocrite to tell her that. No amount of slow reading will not make both statements hypocritical.
Head in Palm moment.
*And you replied within 1 minute. You obviously didn't go back and reread slowly and carefully.
flying squid just likes to drive engagement because they're a lemmy addict. arguing with them is about as useless as arguing with a conservative.
ignore these people and focus on garnering support for final solutions. the people are getting close to being as fed up as they can be. all we need is a populace that's ready to act on a push notification.
The irony has been palpable for over a century. Bizarre that we still accept it as a society
That's not the irony.
The irony is people flying the flag of violent traitors who fought a bloody war against this country while screaming that anybody who doesn't like it here should get out.
We desperately needed to let them leave back then, the country would be so much better.
As long as we can keep the port of New Orleans and navigation rights to the Mississippi River, they can go disappear right up their misinformed idea of God's asshole. "The South" is a luxury we can no longer afford.
But hey, at least we changed a few sports team names. So that's something, right?
The person he said that to missed a great opportunity to say, "sure. Give me your house keys."
Right after you do!
Why right after I do when I wasn't the one who told anyone to go back where they came from, especially when that's literally where they came from?
If an indigenous person who's people used to be on my land asked for it back, I might consider it. But that would be difficult because they're all dead.
I meant "Right after the person saying 'Go back where you came from ' went back to where they came from".
Not actually the part about the keys; sorry I didn't make that clear.
Some Idaho state senators are such stupid turds.
How does someone like this become senator?
People in power usually aren't smart. They just have money from their parents or grandparents. This isn't a meritocracy. Idiots rule the world
and there's only one way to get rid of them
Trick them in to thinking that the senate building is haunted.
I'm sure that'll work, provided there aren't any meddlesome kids about!
Pretty sure the mystery gang would help out with such an operation. Remember they mostly dealt with rich people.
Really makes you question the youth vote.
Great, now they're diverting all the tax revenue to churches to pay for exorcisms.
Don't read in to the fact that the priest receiving all the tax payer money looks like the senator but with a goatee, and you never see them in the same room.
Great idea! I’ll go make some spooky ghost costumes!
Lank hair, sunken faces, soulless eyes... you're going to have to try real hard to separate them from the living senators.
All we need is some white sheets!
Additionally, the dumb relate to the dumb (and are easily manipulated), hence why they get votes.
I get that. But you would think that a senator would at one point be in the same room as a history book
Sure, but that's a long way from reading it
Protest votes.
Racists are allowed to vote and do so en masse
State senator, not real senator.
This stupid fuck of a senator needs to go back to where he came from (sorry Illinois, you can’t just dump your garbage in other states like that)
Even better: she's from the Nez Perce tribe, who do still live in the general area they originally came from. Which isn't always a given for very violent and racist reasons.
So he doesn't come from there, his ancestors definitely didn't come from there, and hers very much did.
He looks kinda like a mix of Putin and Zuckerberg.
Damn, you're right.
Puterberg? Zuckin? Pzucktinberg?
Puckerberg!
Zucktin
PZuckerberting?
Surelly the right answer would've been "Go back to Europe".
(Mind you, as an European, please don't).
"Alright..." looks around at the country his people lived in for longer than white dudes lived in it "....Done, now what?"
lol
Furthermore: lmao
Life imitates art, I'm sure I've seen this in a comedy movie at some point. I just never thought anyone would be dumb enough to say it in real life.
Carpetbagging Idaho state senator....
Then it makes sense. Unless we're talking about white guy going to Europe somewhere and the indigene going 'back' to eastern Russia.
Them: Done. Your turn.
Totally on brand. It will be funny one day for a Native American to say this to one of these racists.
Not wishing to make an unwarranted assumption, I looked up Sen. Foreman's political party. And yes, of course, he's GOP.
Or you could have, you know, read the article.
I started the article, and didn't immediately see his party affiliation. Looked up the affiliation on Wikipedia, and really didn't need any more information than that, plus the 'go back where you came from' to know that I knew all I needed to know about him. What do you think, Budd Ascrayon?
His political affiliation is stated in the second sentence of the article.
No one has time for a second sentence.
Thanks, you are most helpful.
Talk about thorough.
I wonder what political party he is affiliated with. It's really a mystery, isn't it?
You know what really aggravateses me is them immigants. They want all the benefits of living in Springfield, but they ain't even bothered to learn themselfs the langwich!
Moe Syzlak
Yeah, about that...
They would.
Well, if we are going to be anal about this, the “native american” is simply descended from people who immigrated a lot earlier. No human is truly native to the americas. All immigrants.
EDIT> It seems that I misread / didn’t read the article.
Also, I’m not condoning, simply making a comment, that tries to expose the absurdities o of “nativism”.
If we're going to be anal about it, we don't need to mention ancestors at all. One of these people was born in Idaho. The other was not. Get it?
Agree, but then the whole Native American thing has no place in the discussion, no? I-m just trying to point out the absurdities of “nativism”
There's this one detail that makes the two kinds of settlement different, I wonder if you can spot what it is.
I don't but I'd like to know
European settlers eradicated the native population, the initial indigenous migration settled an unsettled land.
It's part of the discussion because the guy is a racist and told a person of color to "go back where they came from".
"Nativism is a cancer" is insane. What are you, pro-colonialism? Pro-genocide? You have to genuinely have something wrong with you.
Ok, this argument is pointlessly absurd because you don’t get to stop there and have to apply it to human migration all over the planet. If you’re going to be anal about it.
Let's be real, Humans are an invasive species native to Africa
Fuck it, why stop at humans
Life is an invasive species native to the ocean
Precisely. My point is that nativism is a cancer
Thank you, Captain Literal! You saved the day again!
From now on, we'll just call them indigenous instead and still call this state senator a racist fuck. Happy?
Sort of. I don't think it counts as immigration if you're the first people in an area.
Allegedly*
The other politicians there have confirmed that it happened.
“Idaho senator born in another state tells Native American congressional candidate from a tribe native to the state to “go back where you came from.”
It would have been a much wordier headline but relays a lot more pertinent information.
Their ideology is a cancer
Said this to
Always use names. The veil of "a politician said" or "big company does" is too blinding. Name and shame.
Which state someone is from isn't what people care about.
*Y'all are some funny misreaders. I don't support him, I'm just saying these idiots don't care about the state. Focusing on state for some reason is weird.
It isn't, but to be fair, it absolutely does add an additional layer of irony that they weren't even born there.
"where you come from doesn't matter" says someguy3 in defense of a racist colonist telling someone to go back where they came from while actively living on their land.
??? I don't support him, I'm just saying these idiots don't care about the state.
The point is the hypocrisy. Telling someone to go back where they came from in a place where you aren't from either is hypocritical as fuck.
pointing out hypocrisy is so pointless. does anyone on the left not realize that they're all hypocrites? please raise your hand if you need that explained.
ok. next issue on the docket: what are we going to do about it?
Yeah these idiots don't care if they're not from that state. They (the idiots) claim the US. Yes that's the hypocrisy. I don't know why everyone is so focused on state hypocrisy all of a sudden like that's the "gotcha, you can't be racist now". Racism is far deeper and stupider than that.
They aren't? They're just pointing out he's a hypocrite. I'm not sure why you don't think that's a damnation.
we all get it. the next step is DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
What exactly do you expect me to do? I'm not even in Idaho.
The comment I responded to:
Literally focused on state. That's precisely the exacting point they were making. Like how do you read that and not think that was about the state.
And yes I think there is hypocrite damnation. Like how do you misread so badly that you think I don't jfc. The hypocrite damnation belongs on the national level, not the state level. It doesn't go away just because you're from that state.
I don't even understand what you're saying. The guy is a hypocrite because the woman he told to go back where she came from was from the tribe that literally came from that land they were on, while he came from Illinois.
Dude I bolded where the comment I replied to was about the state. I can't make it any clearer than that.
Yes, I saw what you bolded. I'm still not sure why you think that makes him not a hypocrite.
Seriously? Go back and read again. And don't say that I'm saying he's not a hypocrite, because I am saying he's a hypocrite. Just not because of the state level, because of the national level. Seriously I can't keep explaining the same thing to you. Like JFC how do you misread so badly. Go back and read slowly and carefully. I can't help you any more.
He's a hypocrite on both levels. He came from a different state, so he's a hypocrite to tell her that, and he's not indigenous, so he's a hypocrite to tell her that. No amount of slow reading will not make both statements hypocritical.
Head in Palm moment.
*And you replied within 1 minute. You obviously didn't go back and reread slowly and carefully.
flying squid just likes to drive engagement because they're a lemmy addict. arguing with them is about as useless as arguing with a conservative.
ignore these people and focus on garnering support for final solutions. the people are getting close to being as fed up as they can be. all we need is a populace that's ready to act on a push notification.
I dunno. At some level, when all hope is gone, I find myself hoping the state where I live hasn't gone full fascist.
The irony has been palpable for over a century. Bizarre that we still accept it as a society
That's not the irony.
The irony is people flying the flag of violent traitors who fought a bloody war against this country while screaming that anybody who doesn't like it here should get out.
We desperately needed to let them leave back then, the country would be so much better.
As long as we can keep the port of New Orleans and navigation rights to the Mississippi River, they can go disappear right up their misinformed idea of God's asshole. "The South" is a luxury we can no longer afford.
But hey, at least we changed a few sports team names. So that's something, right?
The person he said that to missed a great opportunity to say, "sure. Give me your house keys."
Right after you do!
Why right after I do when I wasn't the one who told anyone to go back where they came from, especially when that's literally where they came from?
If an indigenous person who's people used to be on my land asked for it back, I might consider it. But that would be difficult because they're all dead.
I meant "Right after the person saying 'Go back where you came from ' went back to where they came from".
Not actually the part about the keys; sorry I didn't make that clear.
Some Idaho state senators are such stupid turds.
How does someone like this become senator?
People in power usually aren't smart. They just have money from their parents or grandparents. This isn't a meritocracy. Idiots rule the world
and there's only one way to get rid of them
Trick them in to thinking that the senate building is haunted.
I'm sure that'll work, provided there aren't any meddlesome kids about!
Pretty sure the mystery gang would help out with such an operation. Remember they mostly dealt with rich people.
Really makes you question the youth vote.
Great, now they're diverting all the tax revenue to churches to pay for exorcisms.
Don't read in to the fact that the priest receiving all the tax payer money looks like the senator but with a goatee, and you never see them in the same room.
Great idea! I’ll go make some spooky ghost costumes!
Lank hair, sunken faces, soulless eyes... you're going to have to try real hard to separate them from the living senators.
All we need is some white sheets!
Additionally, the dumb relate to the dumb (and are easily manipulated), hence why they get votes.
I get that. But you would think that a senator would at one point be in the same room as a history book
Sure, but that's a long way from reading it
Protest votes.
Racists are allowed to vote and do so en masse
State senator, not real senator.
This stupid fuck of a senator needs to go back to where he came from (sorry Illinois, you can’t just dump your garbage in other states like that)
Even better: she's from the Nez Perce tribe, who do still live in the general area they originally came from. Which isn't always a given for very violent and racist reasons.
So he doesn't come from there, his ancestors definitely didn't come from there, and hers very much did.
He looks kinda like a mix of Putin and Zuckerberg.
Damn, you're right.
Puterberg? Zuckin? Pzucktinberg?
Puckerberg!
Zucktin
PZuckerberting?
Surelly the right answer would've been "Go back to Europe".
(Mind you, as an European, please don't).
"Alright..." looks around at the country his people lived in for longer than white dudes lived in it "....Done, now what?"
lol
Furthermore: lmao
Life imitates art, I'm sure I've seen this in a comedy movie at some point. I just never thought anyone would be dumb enough to say it in real life.
Carpetbagging Idaho state senator....
Then it makes sense. Unless we're talking about white guy going to Europe somewhere and the indigene going 'back' to eastern Russia.
Them: Done. Your turn.
Totally on brand. It will be funny one day for a Native American to say this to one of these racists.
Not wishing to make an unwarranted assumption, I looked up Sen. Foreman's political party. And yes, of course, he's GOP.
Or you could have, you know, read the article.
I started the article, and didn't immediately see his party affiliation. Looked up the affiliation on Wikipedia, and really didn't need any more information than that, plus the 'go back where you came from' to know that I knew all I needed to know about him. What do you think, Budd Ascrayon?
His political affiliation is stated in the second sentence of the article.
No one has time for a second sentence.
Thanks, you are most helpful.
Talk about thorough.
I wonder what political party he is affiliated with. It's really a mystery, isn't it?
Moe Syzlak
Yeah, about that...
They would.
Well, if we are going to be anal about this, the “native american” is simply descended from people who immigrated a lot earlier. No human is truly native to the americas. All immigrants.
EDIT> It seems that I misread / didn’t read the article. Also, I’m not condoning, simply making a comment, that tries to expose the absurdities o of “nativism”.
If we're going to be anal about it, we don't need to mention ancestors at all. One of these people was born in Idaho. The other was not. Get it?
Agree, but then the whole Native American thing has no place in the discussion, no? I-m just trying to point out the absurdities of “nativism”
There's this one detail that makes the two kinds of settlement different, I wonder if you can spot what it is.
I don't but I'd like to know
European settlers eradicated the native population, the initial indigenous migration settled an unsettled land.
It's part of the discussion because the guy is a racist and told a person of color to "go back where they came from".
"Nativism is a cancer" is insane. What are you, pro-colonialism? Pro-genocide? You have to genuinely have something wrong with you.
Ok, this argument is pointlessly absurd because you don’t get to stop there and have to apply it to human migration all over the planet. If you’re going to be anal about it.
Let's be real, Humans are an invasive species native to Africa
Fuck it, why stop at humans
Life is an invasive species native to the ocean
Precisely. My point is that nativism is a cancer
Thank you, Captain Literal! You saved the day again!
From now on, we'll just call them indigenous instead and still call this state senator a racist fuck. Happy?
Sort of. I don't think it counts as immigration if you're the first people in an area.
Allegedly*
The other politicians there have confirmed that it happened.