What is your solution to the problem in the world you're the most vocal about?
Browsing social media, it’s apparent that people are quick to point out problems in the world, but what I see less often are suggestions for how to solve them. At best, I see vague ideas that might solve one issue but introduce new ones, which are rarely addressed.
Simply stopping the bad behaviour rarely is a solution in itself. The world is not that simple. Take something like drug addiction. Telling someone to just stop taking drugs is not a solution.
Stopping the wealth accumulation at the top through taxes on property above a threshold.
And, supplementary:
Stopping tax evasion by implementing a global tax cooperative so nations can stop competing in a downward race on tax rates
You may or may not be aware that the OECD has already begun implementing something like that:
https://www.bdo.global/en-gb/insights/tax/international-tax/pillar-two-updates-status-of-implementation-around-the-world
Yeah I remember reading about it. This is probably a step in the right direction without having looked at all the details
The meat and dairy industry receives vast amounts of subsidies which would be better allocated to plant based food sources. Meat is an inefficient way to feed the general population. I'm vocal about this because of two reasons: animal suffering and climate/pollution.
I'm not naive enough to say we should just cut subsidies to animal farming cold turkey, because I understand people's livelyhoods depend on it. But I would want to see a progressive public divestment from meat in favour of plant based whole food proteins (not fake/lab meats, those can survive on private investment alone).
At the same time, I'm also vocal about fixing farming. We need to stop destroying nature to grow food. Fortunately the divestment from animal farming will already significantly improve this because it's more efficient to eat soy directly than to grow soy, feed it to pigs, and then eat the pig. However we need to fix monocultures by moving to regenerative farming and agroforestry.
The soy that's fed to pigs is almost entirely the byproduct of pressing soy for soybean oil. about 85% of the soybean crop is pressed for oil. if we didn't feed the byproduct to livestock, it would just be industrial waste.
I'd challenge that. The whole bean is edible by humans. Tofu is literally just the protein of soy beans without the oil and the startch. I'm sure, if we wanted to, we could just make tofu or TVP out of soy meal.
I also just dislike this "it's a byproduct" argument. It's like how whey powder is a "byproduct" of of cheese making. It's not a good argument. We could also do with less soy oil in the world anyway.
but we DO make tofu and tvp. and they have higher profits per pound than animal feed. but we produce far too much soybean oil for the amount of byproduct people want to consume. giving it to livestock makes sense
It makes sense because we don't eat enough of the soy and TVP. And we also stuff soy oil is tons of shit. I'm not saying it's an easy problem to solve, but it all comes down to our over-consumption and refusal to do anything even mildly inconvenient. Eat more whole foods and less meat and a lot of that solves itself.
If lab grown meat becomes cheaper than "real" meat while keeping the taste and texture of it or even improve on that, I can totally see that replacing factory farmed meat rather quickly. It's like with electric cars; people don't switch if we force / shame them to do so but they will once those vehicles became better than the dirty alternative.
But my point is that we are keeping meat artificially cheap with lots of subsidies. Meat would be a luxury food if people paid the real cost of it, let alone if we paid the long term costs on the environment. I think maybe your analogy would be better with bicycles than electric cars. Bikes are more versatile and convenient than cars in short distances (10km), but most cities have been and continue being developed as car centric. If we used taxes to improve bike infrastructure, people would feel safer to ride bikes more often.
This exactly. I would say one of the main reasons a lot of people don't currently drink plant milk is that per unit volume, it tends to be more expensive. This is seemingly starting to even out as the plant milk industry expands, but the most dirt-cheap dairy milk and the most dirty-cheap plant milk are still nowhere near each other on price. I'm willing to bet that if all subsidies were taken away altogether, plant milk would be cheaper, and moreover, if it were flipped in such a way that existing dairy subsidies went to plant milk, it would be game over for dairy milk. Plant milk prices would be through the floor, and dairy milk would be seen as a luxury product. There are a ton of good reasons for this:
your BBC link actually just relies on poore-nemecek 2018, which abuses LCAs and myopically focuses on distilling other studies into discrete metrics without understanding the system holistically. in short, your claim about the environment may be true, but the source that you use to support it is incapable of providing that support.
Okay, link to the academic paper refuting it. Or is your source just a shitty, Z-tier disinformation outlet called "Farmers Against Misinformation"? "your claim about the environment may be true" 💀 Don't muddy the waters here: it is true. This was the only error noted in the paper, and the erratum correcting it still comports with the authors' original findings that dairy is abysmal for the environment when compared with the alternatives.
Is your entire purpose on Lemmy to spread anti-vegan, pro-animal agriculture disinformation?
seems like an appeal to authority, but i encourage you and anyone interested to look into how LCAs were abused, and how much cottonseed is weighed in the water use and land use of dairy milk, despite cotton being grown for textiles.
I'm sorry, I've read the paper, seen absolutely nothing wrong with it (and seemingly neither have other experts in the field, as I've yet to see any peer-reviewed rebuttal of its findings), and definitely trust an expert on food sustainability from Oxford and an agroecology expert from Agroscope as well as their publicly available and well-reasoned findings compared to some rando on the Internet who just whines with zero elaboration that LCAs are "abused" and can't seem to figure out that they could've said all this in one comment instead of four.
I bet Poore and Nemecek would've figured out how to use the "edit" button. (And yes, I did link to the correct article, as the only attempt I could find to debunk this paper was from, again, a disinformation outlet whose lies are explored in that AFP article.)
your attack on my style does not address the substance of my objections. it is pure sophistry.
their objection had nothing to do with mine
I've read it too, and enough of it's references to understand that LCAs are not transferable between studies, and so all the LCA analysis must be disregarded.
I also have looked at enough of the source LCA data to understand that much of the water and land use (and GHG emissions) attributed to animal agriculture is actually a conservation of those same resources, as they come from second-and- third uses of crops.
this reads like pigeonholing. my "purpose" is to keep conversations honest and challenge bad science and reasoning.
your link doesn't seem to align with anything i've said. are you sure you used the right link?
cannot be substantiated with the methodology used in this metastudy.
And vertical farms.
My understanding is that vertical farms have yet to prove more efficient except perhaps in land use. It's been pretty hard to scale.
Singapore has been struggling to subsidize them enough so that people can buy them at normal prices.
Mmmm, I love cold turkey sandwiches after Thanksgiving
I meant cold tofurky sorry.
Big corporations begging taxpayer bailouts and then using them on bonuses and dividends. It's a humongous waste of money that does nothing but enrich the wealthy. Most of the time it doesn't even save jobs.
If, as a large corporate, you want a bailout from the taxpayer, then the government/state will take a portion of your shares in escrow, equivalent in value to the amount of money you're asking for or getting. Those shares (in case of publicly traded companies) are withdrawn from the stock market, become non-voting shares and are frozen at their price at that time. Within a to-be-determined time period (five years maybe) the corporation, if it gets profitable again, can buy back all or part of the shares from the government at that price per share - thus returning money to the taxpayer. Anything that's left after five years, the government can do with as it sees fit - sell them at market price (thus recovering the spent money), or keep them use them to vote/control the company.
There probably is a lot wrong with this proposal. But something needs to be done to discourage big business from hoovering up taxpayer money like it's going out of fashion. Most of the time the taxpayer is getting absolutely no value from that spend.
No bailouts without an equivalent equity transfer to the public. If you want a bailout you need to grant the same amount of stock to the government in exchange.
Isn't that pretty much the short version of what I said?
If so, it should begin with that.
The problem with freezing them at their price is that that essentially becomes an interest-free loan to the company that partakes in the system.
The interest needs to be somewhat punitive.
I would say three points above the federal rate compounded daily, and they have to pay off all of the accumulated interest before they can start buying their stocks back.
I don't necessarily have a problem with it being an interest-free loan, if it serves to keep a business over water and saves jobs. To me that's an appropriate use of taxpayer funds. I'm all for taxpayer subsidies if they are balance-positive to the taxpayer, i.e. jobs are preserved and the subsidies result in meaningful economic activity.
What's bad is when otherwise profitable businesses use threats of job cuts and closures to obtain taxpayer bailouts so they can keep paying big bonuses and shareholder dividends. A lot of that happened through COVID, and the taxpayer threw billions at big business for very little in return. So maybe restrictions on layoffs and such would need to be written into a system like that. The punitive aspects need to incentivise the intended behaviour and strongly disincentivise the wrong behaviour.
The only solution to car traffic is building viable alternatives to driving. Alternatives also bring many environmental and societal benefits.
If we are realistic enough to put the fight against further global warming on a wartime basis, then we can operate things on a wartime basis. Which means planning things so that everything is focussed on winning the war. For example gasoline rationing would encourage people to plan their use of gasoline for maximum efficiency. It means people can get only as much as they can justify.
Rationing was used in the US during WW2. To see what that meant, read this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rationing_in_the_United_States
That's rather vague "solution"
What are the alternatives?
Fast & frequent public transport, safe cycling infrastructure, footpaths, just putting things closer together to reduce the need for transport
Is the issue here traffic or cars?
Because for traffic I can see how working public transit would atleast ease of the issue, but for the anti-car sentiment I often see here I don't view public transit as a solution. Not to every car owner atleast.
Cars are not inherently bad, they are being utilized poorly. In dense urban areas, private cars are the worst option in terms of efficiency. However, currently in many cities it's also the best due to city planning. This ought to change by investing into better infrastructure. In rural areas I see cars as the best option as it's cheap and efficient there.
What's the difference?
Anti car doesn't mean completely banning cars. Nobody is saying to replace ambulances with bus trips. There's obviously a need and cars would be much more effective for those things if the roads weren't clogged with people who don't have a need.
That solution will still require the fat lazy selfish car drivers to choose to sacrifice a little of their personal comfort for the sake of the common good.
Yes, the alternatives need to exist, but there also has to be cultural change. Driving a private car in a city is antisocial. It's exactly analagous to smoking in a restaurant or office and we need to begin to see it that way.
Clarification for the benefit of downvoters (easier to downvote than make a counter-argument, right?): The solution that I propose is clear: get private cars off the streets of cities by whatever means necessary. The detail is almost unimportant. Private cars, especially ones with combustion engines, are a scourge across the world. They are what make our cities unlivable. In any big city (at least outside North America) most people get around by public transport. Cars are almost never a necessity, people buy them for reasons of status and convenience. In cities they're effectively a tool used by rich people to immiserate poor people.
End capitalism before it ends humanity.
I'm all for capitalism, as long as we're allowed to pick three at random from the richest ten every year, shoot them and redistribute their assets to the poor.
Yeah, I know this is as full of holes as I'd like the "winners" to be, but I think it could be made to work as well as capitalism does.
And replace it with what?
If we let capitalism run free without restrictions then we have major problems. As it is, most countries have found a balance between capitalism and setting restrictions on it.
When looking at economical systems, there aren't many other options.
Previous attempts at communism have failed to the point that we either end up with dictatorships, or the country adopts a capitalist economy.
Economically, is there a system that would actually run better than what most countries today are using?
Temporary or straw restrictions. The EU has even more byzantine IP laws as the US and they're just as draconian. Our societies teem with rent-seeking grifts and billionaires who will commit genocide to get their way.
Fix the electoral college by either abolishing it entirely (personal choice) or fixing the house to properly represent the population such that the senate doesn't cause an oversized share of electoral reps. The Wyoming Rule is one option.
We could also just go back to something like one rep per 100,000 population in a state, which would in turn make the house have 3,000 members. This sounds wild until you realize Parliament in the U.K. has 650 members... representing a population roughly 1/5 ours.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Popular_Vote_Interstate_Compact
This is probably a fool’s errand, because it’s all or nothing, making it inherently unstable. If we ever get within striking distance of having enough states to cross the threshold, the law will be fought tooth and nail to prevent passage, and this battle would continue in perpetuity in every remotely purple state that has the NPVIC law in place, trying to get enough overturned to stop it.
Maybe it accomplishes something useful simply by bringing the conversation about reform to the forefront? But as an actual solution I’m completely skeptical, as much as I like the idea.
Perhaps more realistic: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cube_root_law
Voting for people that are closest to want I think is good.
Volunteering in non-profits.
Pushing for progressive ideas at work.
Trying be an example of what I defend and explain to people around me it if they ask me, without pushing them to change, hoping that I can slowly change the culture around me without triggering mental blockers. For example when a colleague asks if I'm vegetarian, I explain that I am rather flexitarian, which means I don't have forbidden food but I favor food with smaller ecological impact. If they seem not receptive, I'll listen politely and not try to change their minds. If they seem receptive, I'll show them the Poore & Nemeck studies. Sometimes just a bit of neutral information is enough to trigger a change.
In short, I don't want to be someone who just blames the governments or companies, and make no efforts otherwise. I think we need a cultural change at every stage of society.
Truth in advertising laws. Make it illegal to lie, mislead, or deceive in advertising. And I mean criminal, like jail time for the CEO, or they can specify an executive that must sign off on all ads if they like. That person takes the fall. And who decides if an ad breaks the law. A jury, or something more streamlined but still made up of regular Americans who decide.
Being as that we have the tools now, any person who wants to run for a public office in a position of leadership, I.e mayor, vice mayor, sheriff, judge, Congress person or president, should have to undergo a psychological evaluation and if they show any of the three dark traits they should be rendered invalid and unable to participate in politics.
We don't need any narcissistic psychopaths running the government, but narcissistic psychopaths are the ones that are the most likely to get elected because they're the best at manipulating people into voting for them in popularity contests.
The reason psychopaths aren't diagnosed frequently is that it's simple for a psychopath to fool the test. They have to WANT an accurate diagnosis to get one.
Also, these tests would be gamed to keep specific people out of power. That's why the restrictions on public office are so low. To prevent gaming.
What tools are these? As someone who has frequently been evaluated, I've found I get different results depending on the bias of the evaluator, ranging from, functional: able to work to a danger to themselves or others, should be supervised or committed.
Now I totally agree that there is a problem with elected officials when Feinstein is still a senator when she is no longer coherent. Or when Trump's lawyers and principal staff see he has diminished capacity (the finale of Fear: Trump In the White House by Bob Woodward) they leave him in place because he remains a useful idiot. But I know our psych assessment methods are not yet able to yield consistent results, and it would be easy for political interests to game the system to keep those they like, and flunk those who are too much of a nuisance (say, those who actually want to serve the public).
(President Wilson had a stroke, and spend the end of his tenure in bed with his wife faking his signature. The US is no stranger to staffers faking it when elected officials were to incapacitated to function. )
Sadly in 20-fucking-24, mental illness remains enough of a stigma that anyone who relies on public approval just won't take the test if they can opt out.
Mental health crisis -> housing
Anybody working in inpatient mental health right now can tell you that at any one time around 3/4 of our units are occupied by homeless people. Many of them will even fake or exaggerate symptoms of mental illness (usually psychosis or suicidal ideation) to avoid living on the street. Personally I don't even blame them, I'd probably do the same thing. And it really highlights that housing is the primary driver of the modern mental health crisis.
Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs
The two-party system. Regardless of where you live, if it's under a two-party system, you probably agree that it sucks.
Assuming we're starting from "choose one" single-winner elections, you need to first switch your elections to Approval Voting. This would make it always safe to vote for your favorite candidate, and the full support for every losing candidate would be reflected in the vote totals. This will weaken the two party system, but no single-winner system can dismantle it.
After that, switch as many single-winner elections to multi-winner as you can (like city council or a legislative district) and use Sequential Proportional Approval Voting to award seats. This will enable minor party candidates to get into office after the major ones, and the seat totals will look a lot closer to the vote totals.
A few places already use approval (Fargo and St. Louis) and a few places are just begging for SPAV (Cincinnati City council).
The answer to the majority of problems the world is facing is community - we need to rebuild real physical communities, participate in them, and nourish them. We can do this by simply getting more involved in existing ones, staring from things as simple as local gardening groups, litter picking/beach tidy groups, community celebrations, local markets, etc. We need to hold on to, strengthen and rebuild arts groups and help local arts and music scenes to grow.
We can all participate on some level in some aspect of physical community building, and it will enrich us in a way social media never can. (Put on a gig, attend an arts show, donate to a community group, talk to neighbours, support the vulnerable). I believe people feel so isolated and depressed by the way greed has ruined the web, jobs, the economy, etc.that the time is right for many more people to start investing time and effort in real communities.
We need to build and grow communities in a local, regional, national and international spirit. We need to learn how to share, and how to get rid of greed and selfishness in ourselves and in our societies - participating in and building welcoming, non discriminating communities is the path towards this. We need to remove competition in education, arts and science (and ultimately economy), and focus on cooperation and improving things out of the joy of helping yourself and others. Communities can bring this about, and digital communities (as opposed to competitive social media) can support this, too.
Ideally, we want to grow communities in a way where people start thinking first "how does this help my community?" - especially when looking at political and business decisions. We need to feel something positive to stand up for (not old fashioned ideas of 'country' or political groups) - we simply need mutually supportive groups (communities) that fight power, greed and selfishness to defend people, animals and nature.
Somewhat relevant plugs:
On education reform: https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-one-thing-that-should-be-taught-in-school-that-isnt-already/answer/Harri-K-Hiltunen
On digital community: https://www.quora.com/Who-invented-the-modern-computer-look-and-feel/answer/Harri-K-Hiltunen (the sick, sad history of computer-aided collaboration)
There are bigger problems that I agree need to be solved but I'm not personally that verbal about them. But the one I complain about the most has got to be potholes.
In the UK farmers are responsible for maintaining the hedgerows between the road and their fields so I feel like they should also be responsible for filling in the potholes caused by their heavy machinery and the cow shit left behind when they're moving cattle.
I do honestly think empathy would be more common if access to psychedelic mushrooms was legal
Which is why it will never happen
The effect of psilocybin on empathy and prosocial behavior: a proposed mechanism for enduring antidepressant effects - Nature.com
Does cannabis use affect empathy? - EurekAlert!
You want a realistic solution or a "if I had one wish" solution?
If every US Republican were to die of a heart attack right now, that would probably be the single greatest thing that could happen to our planet right now.
Your thinking is too limited.
There's a lot of reasons why someone might choose to be a republican that has nothing to do with being a soulless monster.
A lot of them are stupid or have intestinal parasites that prevent them from thinking correctly.
And the world is not the United States, so if you have the power to wipe out an entire group of people, you should just destroy all of the assholes on the planet. Anyone who's like more than 40% asshole just poof they're gone.
I think I'd be in the clear cuz I believe I'm only in like the 30% range myself, but if I had to take one for the team that's okay. (Totally not saying that just to put myself below the 40% line)
Ok but how do you quantify that? Same with "kill all assholes". Doesn't work. It's a completely subjective label.
And like it or not the US is by far and away the most powerful and influential nation in the world. Removing Republicans effectively changes the GLOBAL political landscape.
The dangers of artificial general intelligence (humans becoming even worse thinkers, dystopia, takeover) could be avoided by turning towards human collaborative intelligence augmentation.
https://www.quora.com/Why-is-it-better-to-work-on-intelligence-augmentation-rather-than-artificial-intelligence/answer/Harri-K-Hiltunen
There are many congressional solutions to many of the things im vocal about. ending citizens united and making it clear rights are for living being people only (you know sort enshiring the idea the governement is from the people and for the people), medicare for all but improved, creating higher income tax brackets that go up to a billion and recognize all things as income so basically getting rid of capital gains, breaking up monopolies and regulating businesses, there is a lot.
Did you just intend to endorse organ harvesting and grave robbing?
And, if you want tax reform capital gains aren't your target, but instead "unrealized gains". A billionare pledging stock to back a loan should pay tax on their whole net worth's increass in value first.
Im trying to get the rogan harvesting but if I do get it, its a real stretch joke on of and for the people. Yes I like the unrealized gains. Its funny because while writing it I was thinking about that but did not have a good term. Im not big on a wealth tax but any growth from any direction should be taxed the same as income. I might allow some deductions like one residential property that you live in.
I came for the vegan comment however as it was already there, the biggest change I could see from mass adoption of the vegan ideals are that the population would have an across the world increase in empathy to not only animals but because they aren't murdered as part of societal norms the empathy towards and the treatment of humans is likely to increase as well. This could theoretically lead to an increase in environmental action helping climate change but also help addressed a number of socialogical issues at the same time. We are a long way from this however in the uk veganism has increased 1567% in 10 years so with this rate of change it is possible.
A slow burn. Humanity is slowly wiping itself out. If this is a Q humanity test then we have failed. We need a Picard/Riker/Data/LaForge combo
Spend more public money on it and hire some more intelligent people to help.
You can't actually solve them. Depends on which problems of course, but most of them have to do with our societies not being fair whatsoever.
I probably whine the most about the lack of transit options in my city.
Proposed solution: Take intra-city transportation out of the control of the county, so it is run by the city instead. The county can run the buses from the suburbs, or not. We can extend the streetcar, increase bus frequency, all the stuff the city wants, that keeps getting slapped down by the county commissioners, because the suburbs don't want buses.
If bringing food to people is so hard, why not bring people to the food? 🤷🏻♂️
There's a lot of "billionaires shouldn't exist" and "eat the rich" sentiment out there. I often suggest jokingly that it should be legal to murder someone once they reach a certain level of wealth. It might motivate them to limit their greed at some point, perhaps be less exploitative of those who are working to generate their wealth or share more of it. And even if they pass the threshold, they may give more concern to how they treat people and how they are perceived.
That's a pretty fucked up thing to say. Is that really the world you wan't to live in?
No, it is not the world I want to live in, but I am not convinced it would be worse than the current world.
Each year, sacrifice the 5 richest billionaires and distribute their estate to the public fund. Bam, so many problems immediately solved.
Or uh, idk, tax them properly and you achieve the same outcome without any killing.
Not that it'd ever happen though.
Maybe not murder, but it should be legal to steal from people who have more wealth than they know what to do with. They’re hoarding wealth while some people are struggling to make ends meet.
We should take all the people who oppose universal national sovereignty, and push them somewhere else!
We're too many humans for what the planet is able to sustain, we need to reduce our use of resources but we also need to be fewer than 8 billions
Overpopulation is something that'll take care of itself over the next 50 years or so. The more immediate issue is to figure out who will pay the pensions of the aging population.
No, it's not. Social security is not a failing program.
Yes it is when there's more people receiving those payments than working. The money has to come from somewhere.
That's a simplistic reduction. They've been saying it's going to run out for 30 years.
It's not exactly speculation. The birth rate in much of developed countries is well below the replacement rate. Population decline is already happening in some countries. Looking at current demographic charts shows that the number of elderly people is growing fast, while younger generations are shrinking. With fewer children being born, there will soon be much less workers to support a lot more retirees. Pension systems, mostly designed for growing populations, will be in real trouble as fewer people pay into them and more people are taking money out.
That's what they've been saying about climate change as well. Think and you'll see why: people are trying to solve it, and then the beneficiaries suddenly think it's not a problem anymore. The year of exhaustion had recently moved from 2036 to 2035.
And, if Congress had not given themselves interest-free loans out of social security to bolster the economy then we wouldn't be having any worry about whether or not we can afford to pay social security.
The real danger is that the money for social security that would have been growing and earning interest as it was properly invested was not properly invested.
They have phrased it as they didn't expect people to live so long, but it's not that. It's because they don't know where they're going to get the money to repay social security, when the reason why there's any danger of social security running out is that the money was mismanaged.
Actually, this is not true (yet). There is enough space and food for all people if we stay humble. The distribution is what is wrong. We just need a socialist world government and get rid of this capitalism shit.
If i sit or stand somewhere, i spray smokers a gust of water on their cancer-sticks, extinguishing the bad thing i am allergic to and eliminating this disgusting smell.
Oh boy, I'm going to downvoted into oblivion for what I'm about to write. Here we go.
It will be about unchecked illegal immigration, so hang tight. First of all, everyone that's trying to illegally cross borders should be sent back to the country of origin. Next, all permanent resident/citizen immigrants that break a law should be returned to a country of origin. On top of that all crimes should be treated equally, no matter who committed it.
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Forgot to add to the list. All illegal immigration advocates should be legally forced to host at least one immigrant in their house/apartment.
What I meant was that the "minority" offenders that cannot be sent back should be charged the same way as the "majority" of the population. Sorry for the confusion.
I think I'm MORE confused now, but I appreciate that you tried to clarify.
I can see it now. Sorry about being ambiguous. What I mean is that the first generation immigrants who were granted permanent residency or citizenship should be treated the same way as multiple generation citizens, including crime punishment.
I'm still confused... So do you want them sent back to country of origin or not? Because that's by definition a different treatment from 2nd generation or later citizens. Or do you want to deport 2nd generation citizens somewhere too?
As in "treat them better" or as in "I've been led to believe they're treated better and that multiple generation citizens are treated worse"? Because seeing your comments so far I'm pretty sure you're thinking the latter.
Are they not, in your country?
I've solved it already! There's no illegal immigration based on international law, there's irregular immigrants.
Sending people back would cost more than welcoming them and having them pay taxes.
People can already get deported for breaking the law but it would be stupid to make it systematic no matter the law considering that locals break laws all the time and just end up having to pay a fine
https://www.rescue.org/article/it-legal-cross-us-border-seek-asylum