What we’ve lost: The MySpace war files and the impact of a digital 'Dark Age'
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Countless firsthand accounts of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have disappeared across the last decade, and it may speak to larger issues with the historical record in the digital age.
Meanwhile archive sites are getting sued by greedy copyright owners
.... for illegally distributing copyrighted material....
I'm so tired of whiny bitches expecting everything for free
I'm so sick of whiny corporate bitches thinking they deserve $400 million payouts because some website implemented a free digital library of books they already owned so people could still borrow them during COVID when all the libraries were shut down.
Hey I totally understand why they did it, I'm just saying it's not how the law Works around copyright, and that's not changing until we change the law
yes but what you said in reaction to "when sites try to archive information and incredibly rich copyright holders with infinite money and lawyers sue them to the detriment of human wellbeing in order to earn a pittance more to add to their infinite dragon hoard and that's bad" is "you're a whiny bitch."
perhaps it would've been worth considering adding your thoughts on the nuances of how laws bind vs protect people in the original comment?
No, I don't owe it to everyone reading my comments to explain my complete thoughts on everything, people shouldn't be out to try to change everybody's opinions on everything all the time?
Why post an incomplete comment then if you're too lazy lmao
incomplete =/= satiating your desires to understand where I'm coming from
Meaning you couldn't find a way to explain your bullshit boot licker comment that was sufficiently flattering to your ego.
Obvious troll at this point
nope, getting colder
Why are you trying to change my opinion on changing other people's opinion?
Oh, i guess you won't answer that. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Sick of parasites profiting from works made by people who died half a century ago. Can't they do anything of value with their lives instead? Maybe something that benefits society instead of being a burden on it?
Hey I agree, but its gotta be legal. We need to change copyright law.
you sound like a whiny little bitch
Thanks for the analysis J
Yes and discussing it will help this to happen
discussing it in the proper context will, I agree. defending an obvious breach of well established copyright law is not going to further the discussion however, it will stall it, and give copyright law advocates an easy target to point at when people attempt to logically discuss alternative options for intellectual property protection methods.
How else is this supposed to change when not by challenging the status quo? Or are you suggesting that it is only allowed to do so in a court of law?
Yes I am absolutely suggesting that courts of law be utilized to change the status quo... thats how all laws are changed. nobody ever rioted or looted their way into a law changing. its always done in the courts ultimately.
Rather than breaking a law, you should instead challenge the law until you change it, then you can continue your desired course. especially when that law is in regard to an intellectual property holder's rights.
If you were an author, this had been your copyright media that was being distributed without you getting a cut of it, you wouldn't feel like you were entitled to all of it for free.
The problem is that this approach requires the goodwill of those in power, and because the power imbalance is very much tilted towards large capitalist mega-corporations and billionaires, no courts will ultimately have an interest in changing laws. This is the reason why civil disobedience is required, as a tool in order to increase the pressure on those in charge to change the law. Do you think that the owning class of the Ancien Regime would ever have made such concessions in 1789 as they were forced to? The French Revolution is the ultimate example for the fact that sometimes, when the power imbalance is too great and the institutions are rigged against the people, riots and armed conflict are the only option to preserve, regain or establish freedom.
The courts of law is how corporations made copyright so ridiculously long and so ridiculously in their favor. They own the system. Do you think we're on an even playing field here?
Bullshit you agree.
C'mon, break the law, you know you wanna download a car 🚗
It actually doesn't have to be legal. There's scope to laws. If a law is out of this scope (say, regulates ideas, like copyright laws) then it's nothing.
Aside of that, playing by your adversary's rules was never a good idea.
Bootlicker spotted.
OMG I'm a bootlicker for wanting to respect copyright law for long enough to get rid of it, yeah ok bub, fun hot take, try again
Why are you worried about some rich corporations' "property".. Focus on your own shit.
I will start respecting copyright law as soon as corporations start respecting "the laws" until then fuck 'em
Playing by the rules is for clowns who don't understand the system.
I am an IP holder, does that make me a big bad corporation? Copyright law protects more than companies.
Cool... Still give zero fucks about "your" property haha
Gtfo
Be silent child
IP (authorship, protection from plagiarism as in "don't say that what others wrote is yours, and put a reference") is fine, copyright is not.
A specific item can be produced by a few people or one person, and ultimately their inputs add up to this 1 item, always. So it's a finite resource possible to own.
An idea can come to any number of minds simultaneously and independently. You own what comes to your mind, but not what comes to other minds. So copyright is in fact aggression against another person, similarly to theft and coercion.
Copyright for individuals is to be respected. But corporations? Fuck them.
You're literally on EVERY post just spewing hateful bullshit for no reason. Grow up
You should go become a Disney lawyer and increase copywrite to 1823!
If i had my way ,there would be no such thing as copyright (at least not in it's current form in the slightest), so, I don't think they would appreciate my stance so much.. My equivalent position on trademark law also would jostle their magical britches quite a bit.
They sure seem to have no issue gathering all our data and info for free.
That's because we allow them to, eagerly.
The whiny bitches to whom you refer clearly do not appreciate your analysis.
Thats ok, this isn't a social credit system, voting is to represent how the community feels about statements. I can handle people not liking what i say. If getting downvoted here, somehow meant i couldn't participate elsewhere, then maybe i would care at all, but also, i dont think I would be here if thats how it worked.
edit: i dont care about the emotional downvoting, i think its a little funny
people aren’t downvoting you emotionally. they just very much disagree with the notion of an individual owning intellectual property, and the idea that copyright somehow spurs innovation instead of snuffing it.
So, in short, the whole “just someone else’s computer” thing will always come back to bite you. And of course, we’re still struggling with this. Here on the Fedi, everything is tied up on servers run by admins we know little about without much recourse to download archives or migrate, unless you’re up for full self hosting.
Except the fediverse is highly resilient in this regard, since all of the data is replicated. If an instance goes down, all of that instance’s posts are still available on every other instance.
There is that, yes. But how much control do you the user have over those caches should the original server/instance from which they were made go down? Can you easily archive or retrieve them? Edit or delete them? Do anything to further ensure their longevity? Link them back to your new social media account so that others can easily identify them as yours? Verify, in any way, that they were (or were not!) written by you as the owner of a new account?
These are all good points.
Definitely a few of the major things lacking in the Lemmy/kbin world.
theoretically one couls create a lemmyverse archive that crawls the lemmyverse and subscribes to all communities it finds and archives all federation activities that it receives
Would you even need to subscribe?
Setting up an instance should probably work, unless other instances choose to defederate from it, I guess
Instances only collect stuff from communities that have at least one subscriber on their sever.
And it looks like it may only pull new posts and comments and not old archives.
yeah pre-federation stuff would need another more complicated solution
I think it federates it if a user comments.. I think. Not sure.
according to the docs if you search a comment it will federate that comment, its direct ancestors, and the post it was made on. But not all the comments for that post
Ah interesting, didn't know that :)
Imagine if, in 100 years, there was a massive Carrington Event and most of the world's data was destroyed. How would we piece our history back together?
Maybe some kind of foundation to stem the period of bahbawism?
Remember what happened to that foundation? And the alternative doesn't actually work based on our medical and scientific knowledge.
Stupid psychohistory.
Stupid sexy Harry.
"The aurora over the Rocky Mountains in the United States was so bright that the glow woke gold miners, who began preparing breakfast because they thought it was morning."
Lol, this must've been hella confusing.
Luckily, it is possible to shield the power supply from a carrington event at least, and we do have satellites keeping watch. The main issue is making sure all the power infrastructure is actually shielded, which costs money >.<
Bro Texas won't even pay to weatherize their power grid and they know cold weather happens every winter.
Can't say you're wrong tbh :p
Wasn't it because the renewables system broke down
No that was the bullshit ercot put out to cover for the fact that fossil fuel production dropped by half or more. Source:
Natural gas and coal totals 70% of their total generation, and wind was 20%, so losing half of both means fossil fuels was much more impactful.
To be honest this doesn’t make me any more optimistic. I’m sure there are countries that might spend resources on this, but mine 100% won’t. And if the majority of the world is screwed, I guess we can all agree there won’t be any stable place.
This episode of Why Files was really worrying.
Pretty obvious. We build a time machine to go back to 1776. Then, when it malfunctions and sends to 1976 instead we learn the art of The Hustle.
There's a movie about that.
We would definitely lose some data but I'm guessing there's a few hundred backups of Wikipedia and the important stuff floating around.
A huge solar storm could wipe out the backups too unless they're stored in a deep vault or something.
Solar storms arent really a risk for small electronics, more so if they aren't connected to the grid. You wouldn't need a deep vault, more like a cupboard.
There is a risk the hard drives wear out before society gets the grid back online and restarts producing hard drives though. We already don't have that many facilities and they would certainly be taken offline, and the knowledge to build those facilities, that might get lost properly when the storm would hit.
Would it effect optical media like CDs?
Time is more of a concern for CDs. They don't really last that long.
"All things are made of atoms; little particles that move around in perpetual motion, attracting each other when they are a little distance apart, but repelling upon being squeezed into one another."
I'll be honest, I had forgotten MySpace was a thing back then. Every single page I went to was gaudy as hell and took forever to load on my dial up connection at the time. I'm a little surprised they're still around. And damn, it looks a lot different!
Yea it’s a music centric site now, right?
Edit: I was curious so I looked it up. They either have 6-10 employees and 1-5M in revenue, or 523 employees and 84.2M in revenue, depending on whether you misspell ‘employees’ in the search or not (on bing).
I don't remember the specific article I read that dove into this but it was essentially sold due to it being one of the first large data collections (user data). I'm not sure the extent its traweled now but before the social media machine took off, it was the largest if not one of the largest concentrations of actual data points to run algorithms against.
Justin Timberlake owns like half of it nowadays.
Someday historians will be reading all those emails our grandparents printed looking for cultural context.
Super interesting read, thanks for posting. (Pls don't delete my comment)
I see this as a plus. People have a right to be forgotten. The problem nowadays is that companies track you and keep all your data forever and then use it to advertise to you.
At the very least, data collection and preservation should be explicitly opt-in.
If you really want to save something, download it yourself.
Do not worry. History will not forget the murders American thugs comitted there.