Lemmy developer, @SleeplessOne1917, argues for the killing of Israeli civilians and children
In the recent Lemmy developer update, there's a reference to one Lemmy developer, SleeplessOne1917.
I found some horrifying comments from this user.
https://lemmygrad.ml/comment/2649200 - "There is no such thing as an Israeli civilian. All settlers are valid targets."
https://lemmygrad.ml/comment/2649472 - "15 year olds are military age. That makes them valid targets for killing."
https://lemmygrad.ml/comment/2649732 - "... There is no such thing as a zionoid civilian. Everything that moves and isn’t Palestinian is a valid target. ..."
Webarchive: https://web.archive.org/web/20231009171047/https://lemmy.ml/u/CannotSleep420@lemmygrad.ml
Edit: New comment from the user "Cry more. Israelis need to be eliminated. Death to Israel, and death to Amerikkka!"
https://web.archive.org/web/20231009171510/https://lemmygrad.ml/comment/2592588
https://web.archive.org/web/20231009171739/https://lemmygrad.ml/post/750810
https://web.archive.org/web/20231009171907/https://lemmy.ml/comment/4569805
https://web.archive.org/web/20231009172817/https://lemmy.ml/comment/4413706
Friendly reminder that it’s very easy to sympathize with the plight of the Palestinians without glorifying terrorists.
For a similar example, I support the cause of a United Ireland but that doesn’t mean I support the IRA. Be better than that.
Let's keep in mind this doesn't really mean anything for Lemmy instances. It is open source.
True, but there are not very many people contributing a lot of code, so this guy has a lot of sway over which items get prioritized out of the massive backlog.
And as a mod, I’d really like the few people coding to produce some expanded moderation tools… so I can easily spot and address toxic comments like the ones this dev makes.
IMHO, this guy’s behavior feels like it conflicts with his current influence over Lemmy’s mod toolset.
Edit: typos
Ive been working on a soft fork of lemmy called Pangora to prioritize development on different areas that the main lemmy codebase has been neglecting (such as mod tools). Gives a different option than the main lemmy codebase for supporting development and as redundancy for if anything goes wrong (although not production ready atm as its still getting mostly set up) !pangora@programming.dev
Really glad this exists. Thanks for all your work.
👀
Stories like these can make it less likely that other people contribute to the code, making the platform grow slower, which affects all instances.
There is no indication whatsoever that @SleeplessOne1917 is the same person as @cannotsleep420. Jesus, people, stop pissing yourselves for the literal 30 seconds it took to fact check this bullshit claim.*edit: I took the liberty of finding the actual dev's account: /u/SleeplessOne1917@lemmy.ml. It took a whole additional minute. You're welcome
*edit 2: /u/NOT_RICK@lemmy.world has some links below that do indeed link /u/SleeplessOne1917@lemmy.ml to /u/CannotSleep420@lemmygrad.ml. Soooo, while I don't regret my nearly infinite capacity for skepticism, but it looks like this story has some legs. Hat tip to NOT_RICK, who is adamantly not Rick.
You might want to reinvestigate. @cannotsleep420 is the one that made those comments and they are a dev.
The post then lists comments from /u/cannotsleep420@lemmygrad.ml, however the text over the name is SleeplessOne (without the number on the end). This account is also on lemmygrad, the lemmy devs' main accounts are on lemmy.ml. Do you have anything to verify that they're the same person, or that they are another dev? Because I see no "CannotSleep420" mentioned on the github page. The main two are actually /u/dessalines@lemmy.ml and /u/nutomic@lemmy.ml.
Next you'll be telling me that Hollywood actress Margot Robbie also moderates round these parts.
Edit: They probably are the same person.
You can look up my other comment for more examples, but this one is the most clear:
https://lemmygrad.ml/post/750810
They may not be the same person, although I suspect they are as the lemmy.ml account isn’t active, but either way 420 is at a minimum a contributor
They "contributed to the project", that doesn't mean they have any authority over lemmy development, as the top of the post is suggesting. "Contributing to the project" could mean just about anything.
While I wouldn't completely discount the possibility that they are the same person, this post provides no evidence of that. HOWEVER, this comment suggests they might well be!!
@TokyoMonsterTrucker@lemmy.dbzer0.com you might be interested in that.
FYI, you can make an instance agnostic link just by typing /u/SleeplessOne1917@lemmy.ml.
Doesn't work for me. @SleeplessOne1917@lemmy.ml does though
Nice tip, thank you. Still fumbling my way around...
No worries. A couple other things:
/c/community@instanceand@community@instancewill work for communities./u/user@instanceis instance agnostic but will not generate a mention to the user's inbox.[linktext](http://instance/u/user)will link to the user's instance only, but it sends a mention to them. You can also do this by starting to type@user@instanceand selecting the user from the dropdown box (on the website, not necessarily in apps).http://instance/post/123456@hostinstancein everywhere but the federated host instance. But it's all still in early development.What a creepy asshole. He should probbaly get back to /pol/, seems like he'd fit on there better.
Lemmygrad and hexbear serve as a propaganda wing of for people that make being communist their whole life. You can block certain feds to clear out your feed.
I wouldn't get riled up about it, they literaly say stuff to upset you so you react.
Lemmy.ml isn't much better.
The Internet is not safe, just got wade through the shit to make it to something good them make a path toward it by getting rid of the noise.
I don't expect it to be safe, and I do expect to fight against authoritarian propaganda when I see it.
All the drama and hateful trolls are extremely similar to the growing pains of reddit 15 years ago. The rational healthy users outnumber the hateful crazies, and that trend will continue as the userbase grows.
I hope..
I hope so too but I'm not optimistic. I was on Reddit before most people and it didn't have anywhere this level of authoritarian propaganda.
It's world's better. But still chick full of Leninist. So still problematic because of that. On the whole though they don't brigade like hexbear or lemmygrad. Hell a large swath of their users are ironically not leninists even. However, when you do find one that is Leninist yeah you're gonna get toxic irrationality. But no worse than your average capitalist or neo-libertarian.
I just had several calm, rational comments deleted with no reason given. I can only assume it's because I was correcting a lie that made the CCP look better. A bunch of other people's comments got deleted in the same thread.
In other words, lemmy.ml had strict censorship in order to support an authoritarian government. It's a cancer on the Fediverse.
How do I block an entire instance?
right now you can only block communities. if everything goes according to plan, instance block should arrive with the next update, which is supposedly 1 month away.
IIRC the next Lemmy update will have this feature.
So I use Jebora on my android phone and if I go directly onto communities front page and a 3 dot icon on the top right side of the page it will say in the options 'block community" might have to block individually but there ain't that many large communities that will have such a loud voice.
You know, I came to lemmy because I was disgusted with the reddit admins and devs. And this shit just is not helping.
For the most part, Lemmy instances are separate from the developers. But the great thing about ActivityPub and the fediverse is that we can move platforms and keep the same content. Kbin can subscribe to the same communities that Lemmy can.
Yeah, this is one of the best parts of the fediverse. It's not just another plattform like Reddit. It's a bunch of Plattforms of various services, even Lemmy is just hundreds of small Reddits that connect to each other. Meaning we are not beholden to one person like on Reddit to participate in the fediverse.
Understand that the Lemmy devs do not have ultimate power over your instance, and that your instance admins may feel very differently to them
The difference here is that these people aren't really running the show. They're in charge of the main development branch, but that's just back end code, and it is (or should be) reviewed by every admin when they use it to implement their instance. Development can be adopted or forked by other people, should politics get in the way.
It's the morals of your own instance and its admin that are most important, these are the ones synonymous with reddit's staff. In fact, it's possible for the instance to put whatever code they want up. It can easily be non-standard to official lemmy, so you really are trusting them rather than the main lemmy devs.
Switch to kbin!
I thought we were already aware that the devs are deranged lmao
*hexbears: that’s why I’m here
I mean yeah, but I do like knowing who and in what way.
Anyone is able to contribute to the code. Are you saying we need background checks before contributions? Also as pointed out in another comment you didn’t prove any connection between the two usernames either.
What a special piece of shit he is.
The Lemmy devs are tankies, they also deny chinese human rights violations and deny genocides.
Block lemmy and move on. -6000 points? Holy shit
This is difficult. I don't contribute code yet, but knowing that these kind of people might have a say in the development of Lemmy, I'm not sure I want to contribute. Maybe !pangora@programming.dev will be more welcoming... dunno.
Pease consider the opposite; if a fork is needed at some point in the future, we need people who are familiar with the codebase. It would be, for example, much better for 3 of 4 contributors to be sane than only 2 of 3.
1st & 2nd of these are inside a post at news@hexbear.net (not lemmygrad.ml)
it has 490 upvotes, is locked & it is radically pro Palestine and anti Israel.
Not defending this user, just looking at the context.
How about we stop both sides from killing people considering it's been going on for hundreds of years and nothing has changed.
This conflict doesn't exist in isolation. This is part of a larger geo-political struggle with the decline of US influence in the region being taken-up by Iran. Much of this could have been avoided if the US never invaded Iraq. If only I had a time machine...
Ehh. Lots of problems could be fixed by that, but not really this one.
Hamas doesn't have the capacity without Iran. Iran has occupied a power vacuum created by the US from the US policy in that region.
War is dirty, always has been.
And the year/decade long war/geconide in Palestine/Israel? Sponsored by the west and an utter humanitarian shitshow.
Standing on their own, those statements are sure horrible. But you gotta see the grand picture, then you can only despair and perhaps turn your gaze away or you will be plagued by sleepless nights.
Welp. This has been an education in how deranged this place is.
This place we are on right now is lemmy.ca. What does it say about it?
There are many people who take sides in this complex conflict and then argue with each other about it like there would be one good and one evil side and then there are inhumane and misanthropic anti-Semites like this one - disgusting!
Interested about opinions.
Would it be better if the dev would use separate accounts for professional communication, and private opinion? Like, separate life from work?
Lack of sleep is known to make people irritable, paranoid and experience audio and visual hallucinations. Remember to always catch up on your sleep in order to stay healthy.
That being said, dude, ignorance is bliss.
I remember when extreme political views of main Lemmy Devs (which are/where admins s of lemmygrad as well, if I recall correctly) were discussed here several times, people suggested to ignore them and focus on their work. Donate for Lemmy development, not to the persons...
what concrete solution do you see, switch to kbin? Continue to separate development from their other activities?
Switch to kbin
I'm hoping lotide federates with kbin soon.
Good time to switch to Kbin I guess
Unfortunately this is a very classic far leftist take. Easy to blindly justify a cause you’ve been told to believe in when you simply dehumanize what you’ve been told are the villains
Seriously? Unlike all the warm supportive right wing dehumanization. That person is sick. They'd be sick on either side of the aisle. Making this a left/right thing is small of you. I don't know you so I didn't expect better, but in a general sense I hoped people were better than what you've demonstrated here.
If you go far enough you wouldn't be able tell a far leftist from a far right winger. Because they are the same person. There's no "classic left" about it.
There has been genocides in the past from both sides. One indicator that a faction is going unhinged is that they become authoritarian. They start seeing in black and white and loose their humanity. This can be observed in both left and right. The massacres from the left are brought up all the time, so I'll bring one up by the right to make it balanced. Don't forget that the US dropped 2 nuclear bombs on civilians.
Idc about his political views. I'm still thankful he is talking the time to working on developing lemmy.
Right now there's a million spicy takes on this conflict.
Good God man.
Just because there are competing perspectives does not mean that all perspectives are equally appropriate.
Just because someone does something that benefits you personally does not give them a free pass for being a fuck head
He made the comment on an instance that supports that kind of extreme speech. The comment was appropriate in the place that he made it. I don't care if someone's a fuck head its not a big deal to me.
I for one would prefer that the dev of the tools I use doesn’t celebrate the deaths of children just because of where they happened to be born. Calling that just a “spicy take” is ridiculous.
That's a fine opinion to have.
Let's read it correctly, instead of distorting it. The quotes above argued that 15yr Olds are valid targets, not celebrating their death and not all all children. I realize the difference doesn't matter much, but in discussion is better to be clear
"Everything that moves"
Would you feel the same if he supported nazis putting jewish people into gas chambers?
Opinions are like buttholes, everyone has one.
I imagine you look into someone's life deep enough, there is eventually something you are going to disagree ethically about.
I think that is why it is important to have the conversation, rather then pretend the issue doesn't exist. Because that is what Israel has been doing for 20 years. It is also why the people of Israel and Palestine have bodies in the streets.
This is 20 years of inaction boiling over into one single event. We either learn the lesson, or continue in ignorance.
I'm sure some of the Foss software I use has had nazis contribute. It doesn't worry me what a random non political figure says on the internet.
Nice job dodging my question bozo.
That's not dodging your question. I answered that I don't care. Actual nazi's have made contributions to some of the technology we use today and you aren't kicking up a stink about that.
this is not just some "political views" or a "spicy take" this is someone advocating for the murder of a group of people. you can't just centrist your way out of this