EU stops advertising on X over hate speech. Fines could follow next year
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EU stops advertising on X over hate speech. Fines could follow next year::The European Union is pulling its advertisements from Elon Musk’s X for now, citing an “alarming increase” in hate speech and disinformation on the platform formerly known as Twitter.
This comment will make me sound like an idiot, but I’m just coming to believe that all of Musk’s decisions with X were targeted to this very outcome. To be the world’s centre of alt right propaganda. It just makes too much sense now.
He's not that smart. He got stuck having to buy Twitter after his pump and dump backfired. His solution to having to buy Twitter was to cut costs by firing staff and use his celebrity to manufacturer engagement with troll posts.
The problem he missed was that staff was necessary to keep hate speech under control and his trolling meant to drive engagement would backfire from advertisers and regulators.
I wouldn't say idiot, just very naive when it comes to your assessment of Musk's ability to think ahead. He's basically a South African Alex Jones who started out rich(er) 🤷
He didn't come up with the plan, he was given the plan.
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/was-elon-musks-strategy-twitter-rcna118490
There has been an increase in blatant racism and prejudice. I don't know if those users eventually get banned. If the right takes any action against blatant hate speech, shitheads like Tim Pool will start crying and denounce the platform as not allowing free speech. If they allow "free speech," then the shitheads eventually drive all the normal people off the platform. The only good thing is that Twitter already has a left wing population, so as long as they can maintain that, it should avoid turning to shit. It was also a mainstream platform so hopefully that should maintain the normie population.
Sites like Lemmy instances are better at allowing a wider range of "free speech" because as long as the instance population is large enough to keep the shitheads a minority, they can stick to their own subs and generally keep the bullshit quarantined.
Wasnt truth social already that?
I only know one person that uses truth social.
But he has like 70 million followers.
I'm not just the president, I'm also a member
Truth is USA only, so X has a much broader reach.
Taken out of context, "Truth is USA only" is one of the most jingoistic phrases ever 😂
Does Truth Social actually not allow users outside of the US?
That’s hilarious. Do they do it by IP? Because I’d imagine a lot of their users might be troops stationed over seas. Course the military probably has WANs with .mil addresses that everyone uses.
I think it's not impossible that the goal was simply to discredit Twitter entirely
You'd be right. 10 days before he bought it, Musk got linked a plan to buy twitter and turn it into right-wing American WeChat.
I heard about it on Rachel Maddow's October 2 show (has it really been 2 months since then?)
Not sure why you’d assume you sound like an idiot. You’re just coming to a hypothesis based on all available information. It seems like a sane train of reasoning based on all the empirical evidence we’ve seen thus far.
It’s likely that he didn’t mean for it to happen the way it did, or that he hoped there’s a bigger appetite or marketplace for X in this capacity. It’s also possible he didn’t think it all through as was made more likely by the way he was trying to come up with reasons to get out of the deal.
He's just a stupid narcissist that came into money. They don't think that far ahead, and it makes him look bad so he wouldn't want this outcome
Misinformation has already spread in the continent. This will be downvoted but "too little, too late" is the only thing that comes to my mind reading that piece of news.
Better late than never, I say
Something to be said for doing the optimal thing with impeccable timing, I'd posit.
Elon was mulling pulling out of the EU and I really want this dumbass to follow through on that threat.
Please. Given that investors expect infinite growth and that EU is not an ignorable market for most businesses of this scale, it would destroy the company.
I wish he would
I feel like the EU is one of the few forces of good in the world these days.
It is not. But it has been doing some right things when it comes to privacy protection and so on.
Still, Trump's border wall and caged children are merely cute compared to the shit going on at the borders of the EU.
I disagree. The EU is one of the best things that ever happened to us Europeans, who knows, we might be fighting another war if history went different.
Politically, the EU spins around between based decisions and crap like chat surveillance, but over all, it has been a major contributor to the high standard of life in Europe, I'm convinced of this.
What kind of things should I think of?
Not for long we all get very right to fascist governments the next year's and things will go south. Germany with a CDU/AFD coalition, Le pen in France, if those two happen I see a dark future ahead, but hey climate change will bite us in the ass anyway. Why not go under under fascist leadership...
We're not very good at learning from the past, are we?
Until you find out it lets Muslim immigrants (80% of whom prefer sharia law over eu law) take over entire towns & countries.
Yeah, that's not happening. Nice far right conspiracy theory though.
It got me banned from reddit, but I ain't even half right nor even a bit extremist. I just walked around in Rotterdam, Almere, Marseille, Barcelona and such. Have you?
I have. I have even lived in and right next to the widely decried "no-go zones" of Sweden, and can testify that the whole thing is a pile of racist bullshit.
Sweden hahahahaha try Marseille after 7pm!
Are these really the towns that are taken over by "sharia law"? Can you give examples of what you saw?
Don't do that. I did NOT say those words. You ARE CHANGING WHAT I SAID. fu
Words have implications, and you are implying these immigrants want sharia law to be impemented. Do you have examples of this? Why did you mention these cities? What's special about them?
They are unsafe for regular people. They are not Europe anymore after 7pm.
Yes, the implications are that people will democratically vote to stop democracy. That is not good for a country/unión.
They won't be the mayority, but they can surely negativily change a society without being a majority.
WILL ALL THE NON EUROPEANS FK OFF PLZ? OR VISIT MARSEILLE AFTER 7PM FIRST. THNX
How are they unsafe? What makes them unsafe? What do you mean by regular people?
Do you really not know? Maybe you should go there and find out.
I'm sure it's still better as some us cities tho. But it's not normal.
Yes I am going in a few weeks. Please, tell me what the problems are? What makes them unsafe?
Nobody beliefs you. Take a video see how you like it bababa
Your only example of this is Marseille and yeah the marseille situation is obviously due to the supposed country of origin of its inhabitants and not at all by the socioeconomical context that made impossible for young ppl to live there without commiting crimes. Because that's what's actually happening.
Which country has Muslim immigrants taken over? Name it please.
Which port town? Rotterdam, Marseille, Barcelona, etc
Because countries arnt yet at that level.
30-40% of babies born are non European decent.
I'm not even saying that's a bad thing. But ANYONE THAT PREFERS SHARIA LAW OVER EUROPEAN (OR RESPECTIVE COUNTRY'S) LAW, should NOT be in Europe.
https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/15-european-countries-with-most-muslims.html
You are needlessly fearmongering.
I don't want to get in the middle of a flame war, but as someone who's seen the culture of his small town shift over the last couple decades, I can't help but have some sympathy for those who worry about this happening in their local (Admittedly, in my case, it's watching a town where the suburban drops off to rural slowly be subsumed by city sprawl, so this might be a false equivalance).
But I think the real issue is that that's not an evenly distributed 11%. People will naturally bunch up in groups along cultural lines. I could see a city developing a single Arab/Muslim neighborhood over the course of a decade being of no note, but it sounds like some are developing multiple over just a couple years.
I have no real data to back that notion up, but from what I hear from Europeans, that's the general feel. I think that's the real issue: things are changing and they feel like they're changing fast, and that's freaking people out. Telling people who feel that way they're crazy only "others" them and I feel that's really how the situation gets worse.
But also, the towns the guy above mentioned feel like bigger cities (I'm American and haven't been to Europe, so I also might lack perspective), and so I do feel like they're overstating the point.
Yeah, and Americans in general once felt that the Irish or the Italians would take over the country because they were emigrating in large numbers. Guess what never happened?
Mamma mia!
I suppose, the point I mean to make is that belittling this guy does nothing to solve the problem.
How did I belittle them? By saying they were needlessly fearmongering? Because they are needlessly fearmongering. Muslims haven't taken over port towns and they won't implement sharia law in Europe.
That's fair. I can see how I read more malice into your comment than was intended. I'd like to apologize for that.
I do want (for the sake of clarity) to say that I agree the flow of muslims to EU/US cities is not a problem. The notion of any western nation implementing Sharia Law (or any approximation) is wild at best.
I do think that the way you accused him of needlessly fear mongering doesn't placate or soften the guys opinions. I think flat accusations like that are part of what pushes guys who do believe "Sharia Law will come by having Muslims around" into more extremist positions. Whether you intended it or not, I'm sure it was received as a belittling comment what will only serve to alienate the guy.
That does beg the question: what is the correct way to handle comments like this guy's, to which I don't have a good response. I do appreciate you rolling out actually data. But watching the polarization of beliefs and politcal positions, I feel the part folling the link to statistics isn't helping.
I did NOT say that at allllllllll. You change my words into what you want to attack!
Reading comprehension amongst 14yo basement fundies has gone down, I understand that, so please take some time and read again what I ACTUALLY wrote. Thanks.
Your words:
So I referred to their preference of law.
And to their taking over towns (at night, I should have mentioned) and countries. Examples were mentioned, go walk around in Rotterdam Marseille or r even Paris after 7pm in ANY non tourist area. They are visibly in the HUGE majority of people walking around. Locals/natives stay in their houses. Muslims are 95% of the people you see on the street. That is NOT what my home country used to be.
I have nothing against them, nor their hopes and beliefs.
However it's NOT European in its essence. Belgium is a prime example of ALL major cities being 50% non natives in total and the people on the street in the evening upto 95%. Small towns are mostly native, for the moment.
I am NOT racist. But I am realistic. My best friends are moderate Muslims...
There is a big difference though. Their beliefs were compatible with Americans, everyone believed in Jesus, not killing people and such. And most importantly, the next generation mingled and married locals and they were almost fully assimilated by the third generation.
Where I live, and other places, most of the Muslim population (not all, mind you) keep their children from others as much as possible. The children are taught what they can and can't do because they are Muslim. And they can only marry Muslims (conversions are allowed but the family must live Muslim lives under those rules. They are not allowing natural assimilation. Places like Denmark have laws forcing immigrant children to attend day care with locals, because otherwise they won't.
Okay, but they're still a tiny minority. They will not be implementing sharia law in Europe any time in the foreseeable future because they just won't have that power.
Also, if you're going to say belief in Jesus is a requirement for being European, you're going to have to do something about the Jews who live there too. And considering they've lived there for thousands of years, maybe that isn't a defining characteristic of Europeans.
Nobody said they will. But they WANT to. Read my original text and please reply to the points that I ACTUALLY made, instead of putting words in my mouth...
Your words:
Jews don't believe in Jesus. Did they want to take over America? Did they want to take over Germany?
My words? Hahaha I wouldn't filthy my mouth talking about fake deities living in the clouds hahahahhaha
Maybe check the person's name before slandering them?
Ps jewish sect followers do indeed recognize that supossed messias..
You fcking dare talk about taking over germany?
There is a saying, IF YOU KNEW PEOPLES PROBLEMS, YOU WOULD SYMPATHISE WITH THEIR EXTREMIST WAYS. yes the Jewish sect followers were very much visibly in charge of a very large part of the German (visible) economy in 1920-1930s Germany, stores, banks, factories, etc. if you know how many poor people stood in line for thin soup, you'd understand how they would be voting for either comunist or other extremists (such as our failed Austrian painter)
Sorry, this is true if you include countries like Poland and Hungary.
IT ISN'T TRUE IF YOU LOOK AT PORT CITIES. and small towns can be overrun within a week
Ps MY BEST FRIENDS ARE (PROGRESSIVE) MUSLIMS. nothing against them! But adding even more immigrants that aren't educated nor socially connected to ANY European thing isn't good... They aren't like the Mexicans....
Marseille's Muslim population is 20%. i.e. a minority that can't overrun anything.
Shall I look at the other cities you mentioned and continue to prove you factually incorrect?
Wow really? I didn't say that BTW. Go walk around town after 7pm and then you MAY get my actual point.......
Me:
You:
So yes you did say that Muslims have taken over Marseille. You are factually incorrect. "I see a lot of Muslims there" is not evidence of your claim.
So they took over daily life, not being the majority. However it is still a real fact. Try and walk around in those towns after 7pm, then report back to your fellow tankies
I sincerely doubt that.
Yes, you already gave your anecdotal opinion about those towns and it remains anecdotal.
And now that you're insulting me, we're done here.
You think tankie is an insult? I think it isn't.
Ps i dare you to go to Marseille after 7pm and proof me wrong!
My anecdotal opinion is VERY MUCH WHAT THIS IS ACTUALLY ABOUT. normal people will feel their country has been taken over,thus vote for extremists... I literally like their culture and I can walk around in towns like that without a problem. But it IS NOT EUROPEAN and it Will get worse with time .....
Why you deny facts is easy to explain, you have NO IDEA OF REAL Life.
Thinking that any political opinions are fundamentally "Non-European" is a fundamentally totalitarian and racist mindset. I reject your attempts at gatekeeping my politics based on your arbitrary and chauvinistic ideas of "European" values. But hey, there is nothing more inherently European than racism, so I guess you're living up to your own ideals there.
I specifically mentioned EUROPEAN LAW vs SHARIA LAW and the fact that 80% of European Muslims prefer the latter.
THAT'S A FACTUAL STATEMENT FROM A LARGE PUBLIC INQ.
Source
Google it. Wilders website has a source. Be less lazy.!
No, you don't get to make claims and then tell other people to resarch it. Either you back up your claims with reputable sources, or you shut up. The burden of proof is on you and you alone, so get to it.
I literally told you where I got it from. What do. You want? Letmegooglethatforyou
You didn't link shit, buddy. That's your responsibility. Telling me where you got it from is not evidence.
Clearly it's a very insignificant and easily dismissed source if you even don't remember it.
I did NOT say that. Read again. Idiot?
Can you mention some of all of these alleged "Sharia controlled" towns and, eh, countries?
That is not at all what I said. I said the mayority of Muslims in Europe prefer sharia law. You are CHANGING my words. That sick fundy behavior.
Your unchanged words:
Provide examples then. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and the burden of providing such evidence is on the claimant and no one else.
And surely if you have a numeric figure like 80% for the proportion of Muslim immigrants in the EU who supposedly prefer sharia law, you can cite the source in which the statistic came from, and the source will list their data collection and analysis methodology which will also surely be logically and mathematically sound, right? Riiiiight?
Can we get an example of a town that's been "taken over" in this manner? Your words.
I mentioned a whole bunch,,, try going to non tourist areas of Marseille, Rotterdam, paris, Etc after 7pm.
Yeah I read all your weird, totalitarian ranting, but you didn't prove anything to anybody.
Totalitarian... Like those tankie governments where the leaders have impunity and party in Miami and have their money in Geneva while the locals can't buy meat? Fu
Oww people downvote me... Scary!
If you've ever been to Marseille, Paris or Rotterdam, you'd know that is categorically incorrect.
I personally live in an area with a higher Muslim population, but nobody here wants Sharia Law. Nor to take over any towns.
You should be less gullible about places you've never been to, and things you know little about.
Maybe read the inquiry, it's not sucked out of my thumb. Ask wilders for the source.
If wilders is your source then it's no wonder you're so ill informed.
What do you think happens in these cities after 7pm?
All the Muslims come out and start plotting to take over?
The Muslim Sharia police start their rounds?
Or you get harassed by gangs of terrorists?
Stop being stupid.
Hahahahahahahhajajaajjaha come visit. They my friends. Not yours.
Twitter is filled with idiots who'll pronounce London/Paris/wherever is under Sharia law. Never seems to occur to them that this is very easy to fact check.
I definitely did not say that they were under sharia law. I made several factual statements. But ALL of you manage to Twist my words. Sick rethoric!
You know, you can't imply something and complain that we understood it
Nah you tried to imply something not born out by reality and got downvoted for it.
Read my original words. It says 80% of Muslims in Europe would prefer sharia vs euro law.
That's the result of a large scale double blind inquiry. It's not implying anything it's just reality.
Ps i actually like Muslims. More as insane xtians... At least they don't twist and change their books words every few years...
What exactly does the EU advertise?
I would imagine tourism and such
I dunno. Like, cheese? EU cheese?
Maybe baklava?
It's a big place. I think. I dunno.
Sorry if I misunderstood. I consider the EU to be a government body.
I assume cheese and baklava manufacturers are allowed to advertise wherever they like.
Does this mean the EU is not allowing these cheese and baklava companies to advertise where they want?
The EU is advertising itself and its initiatives, like DiscoverEU and other programs. They want their programs to be seen and used
It's wherE yoU live!
Why though
In September 2023, the EU Commission used unlawful micro-targeting on Twitter (X) to promote its heavily criticized chat control regulation.
Finally they quit giving my tax money to a billionaire Nazi to promote laws against my citizen rights.
I had the exact same question.
Their militaries spend a ton on ads
Is Elon Musk finally in the 'find out' stage of this whole fiasco?
🥱
Don't you get tired of saying the same joke over and over again?
No, actually I don't. Everytime it cracks me the fuck up, almost like Elon Musk's clown act.
Might want to check out Thunderf00t then.
He's building an anthology of musk's fuck-ups. It's pretty hilarious.
I imagine this will make musk's "thermonuclear lawsuit" lose a few teeth
Thermonuclear lawsuit? Even the name sounds ridiculous
I love this, go get that refund! Should have happened a lot earlier though
This is the best summary I could come up with:
In October, a few days after Palestinian militant group Hamas launched a deadly attack on Israel, the European Commission asked X to provide details of the actions it was taking to combat the spread of “illegal content and disinformation” on its platform.
A tidal wave of antisemitism, Islamophobia and misinformation has engulfed social media platforms in recent weeks since the unprecedented October 7 attack by Hamas, followed by air strikes and a ground offensive by Israel against the Hamas-controlled enclave of Gaza.
“It is unacceptable to repeat the hideous lie behind the most fatal act of antisemitism in American history at any time, let alone one month after the deadliest day for the Jewish people since the Holocaust,” White House spokesperson Andrew Bates said in a statement to CNN.
Germany’s Federal Anti-Discrimination Agency, which promotes equal treatment at work and in everyday life, announced on October 11 that it would stop using X entirely, citing an “enormous increase” in discriminatory and hateful speech on the platform.
“Ministries and state bodies should ask themselves whether it is still acceptable to remain on a platform that has become a disinformation network and whose owner spreads antisemitic, racist and populist content,” Ferda Ataman, Germany’s independent federal commissioner for anti-discrimination, said in a statement.
Sandra Wachter, a professor of technology and regulation at the Oxford Internet Institute, said they are required by the DSA to treat their boss like any other user by, for example, taking down his posts or flagging them as problematic if they break EU rules.
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That's not a good idea, if they don't advertise I won't know about the European Union.
Why next year?
I mean all social media has hate speech of one kind of another and it's almost all misinformation or part truths. Really depends on the agenda.
I get, and approve of, ending your sponsorship via ads. But I don't think legal recourse should be rewarded.
Any business transaction has risk. If you decide to advertise on Superbowl, you're putting your chips on NFL.
If you're advertising on Twitter, after the Musk purchase, your money is on Musk and Twitters staff to continue the value. If Musk says stupid shit that devalues your investment... well, that's on you for putting your money on it, and not exercising your exit clause a year ago.
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I think the person you replied to assumed that the legal action was related to the pulling of ads, when they're actually two independent incidents.
It's two separate things, from the article: