Bionics. In the show, The Expanse there's a scene where a guy who had his arm cut off in a space accident is trying to get his company to not cheap out and to pay for a bionic arm replacement instead of regrowing him a new arm. The bionic arm being greatly more superior than a normal arm.
Lately, robotics and prostheses are becoming so advanced I can see this as happening to where people will eventually want artificial designer parts over their own.
We had quite the discussion at work about this very scene (I am loosely related to OSHA stuff), at some point people might think of deliberately having work "accidents" so the employer has to pay for superior replacement parts. And then have an advantage on the job market because of this. Same could go for sports.
I guess technologically, we are very close, but might need to work on the whole ethics part a bit more?
Having said that, I would not mind some advanced Kiroshis to replace my screwed up eyeballs.
Surely it would work like a car warranty, where a certain level is free and you would have to pay extra for the good stuff. For example, you lose your arm in a work accident, company replaces your lost arm with arm-replacelement-mk1-TM which is equivalent-ish to a regular human arm. However, if you want top of the line arm it will cost extra and company will just pay for surgery and base arm replacement, you must cover the difference. You want anything other than the Honda civic of arms? Gotta pay that premium baby! Otherwise embrace the beige mediocraty life.
That was an arc in Carbon Black
Really doubt that. If nothing else it is going to mess with the bedroom. Sorry not sorry I want to feel their arm not a stainless steel.
This assumption is made based off of current prosthetics. What if future prosthetics are near-nonidentifiable from real ones? Maybe we're even about to get our real skin to grow over the outside.
Yeah and if wishes were horses them beggars would ride.
The fuck are you doing in this thread? Did you not read the post title
This might be in the books but I remember iy being because it's the Belter way to have a bionic arm. Regrowing is what Inners would do.
Actually that makes a lot of sense in context of that scene, considering all the genetic struggles belters have to deal with growing up in low G.
Fusion generator reactors are getting closer and closer with each breakthrough. Countries are routinely putting big money behind these projects, and it's conceivable that we see this within our lifetime.
Experiments were recently successful in freezing a rat kidney, thawing it out after 100 days, and surgically re-implanting it. It worked. This breakthrough could be the thing needed to allow for human hibernation aboard long term spaceflights. (Powered by cold fusion, naturally)
Quantum computing is very interesting, and could be a gateway-breakthrough that leads to all sorts of miraculous inventions. The ability of a super computer to precisely model interactions between molecules and protein folding, reliably allowing for the continued improvement to, literally, every drug we use today.
CRISPR, Genetic screenings, and the ability to regrow autologous transplants from host tissue is fascinating. Having to donate organs may become a thing of the past.
Universal translator. Google buds basically do this already.
we need teleportation frankly
Sorry but not in this universe.
It is the same for pretty much all the narrative hand waves that are used to push the story forward. This is not knocking SF but to temper expectations.
Deep sleep/human hibernation.
FTL travel of any description, including FTL communication.
Sentient, Self-aware AGI.
Directed energy weapons and EM shields.
Directed energy weapons already exist today. They're mostly experimental, but the US and Germany (and possibly others) are both investing millions into R&D and have working prototypes.
How’s quantum teleportation work in this universe? Because that’s apparently a thing already.
That's quite the question to ask, but as far I can tell it only works with quantum information. Sending a body would be like you trying to fit into a fiber cable to be bounced inside of beneath the Atlantic to avoid the otherwise long flight.
From what I know of sci-fi, teleportation is often a machine that scans, destroys, and replicates the particles in your body at a secondary location.
So if we could figure out scanning and printing at the atomic scale, with zero defects, and pair it with sending information at near instant speeds via quantum teleportation, we could have a teleporter.
Quantum “teleportation” is not capable of sending information FTL. Quantum entanglement means that the wave functions of two or more particles (in essence, the information possessed by the particles) are correlated, but the information must be encoded by a device at the midpoint between the two observers and sent to the observers at a speed not exceeding the speed of light.
... if we could figure out scanning and printing at the atomic scale, with zero defects
I think this is a bigger issue currently than sending large amounts of data across the globe. Though I wonder how much data a full copy would demand.
You just made me curious and we're not alone in wondering
To have a scanner that can record the position of every atom in the body to an accuracy of the order of the size of a hydrogen atom would require position accuracy of about 10-10 meters. To get that accuracy over a distance of order 1 meter, this would require 30 decimal digits, which would be about 100 binary digits per atom. However, there would be a lot of redundancy in this data, so let’s be optimistic and assume you could compress this down to 1 bit per atom, so we still need approximately 1027 bits of data to just specify the positions of all the atoms in a human body. According to Wikipedia (Exabyte), the approximate data storage capacity of all the computers and storage devices in the world today is roughly 1 zettabyte = 1021 bytes = 1022 bits. Therefore, the data for the scan of one human would require at least 10,000 times the total storage of all the data stored on Earth right now.
I was getting incredibly confused because the copy/paste didn't copy the superscript for the exponents. I was like, "there's definitely more than 1027 atoms in the body.. wait, how are there supposedly only 1021 bytes of storage in the whole world? Oooh.."
Now I'm wondering how long it would realistically take for that to become a not-insane demand. I know data storage multiplies pretty rapidly, but not that rapidly, so are we talking decades or centuries?
Apparently we can already do it, a gram of dna can store 215 petabytes and we can encode to dna at 18Mbps.
Gonna be a long upload.
Ah, that would take a while to send 😁
Teleportation in that term means “make a thing disappear in one place and appear in another”. No “immediate” is ever implied.
Wikipedia article has a great diagram on the topic. Add an article on “no cloning theorem” to understand why “teleportation” is a fitting term. I recommend reading both without expectation, just read through the steps as if you’re learning a new math tool.
In short, quantum teleportation is a way to take a quantum state (which are fundamentally unforgeable - you can’t simply create a clone of a particle), destroy it, extracting classically communicable data, and they recreate it in another location.
FTL is a weird one.
Speed of light is a singularity in a special relativity theory. Singularities usually indicate model limitations, not reality fundamentals.
The theory happily describes behaviours below and above this “speed limit”, but insists on it being unapproachable from either side, which is weird already. At the same time our other models tell us that matter loses a finite amount of energy when it gains mass and stops moving at the speed of light.
Problem is, we don’t seem to have a vocabulary to discuss ways around this singularity and universe is not so forthcoming with any clues.
It’s a general crysis of physics lately. We know our models have limitations, we often know where they break exactly, and universe just giggles along.
But yeah, it’s highly unlikely that any SF will correctly guess a viable FTL, even if it is possible. Especially considering how seemingly every author thinks quantum entanglement is it.
Ah that's Zach Weinersmith the author of SMBC, it has to be excellent. Haven't read it but will put it on my list now
Actually safe autonomous transport and delivery would be a great next step. But the enterprises are putting their pre-alpha releases into the public and killing people which is souring the public to the notion.
To be fair, Tesla is the primary culprit of this. Waymo and other AV companies have just been slowly but steadily ramping up their testing and operating in relatively safe ways, and they are by and large doing pretty well from the coverage I've read. It's not happening as quickly as anybody hoped, but we're seeing steady improvements over time.
Tesla is just reckless, though, branding things in ways that make the whole AV endeavor look much worse than it deserves.
Self Driving Cars - were getting used to the idea because of the half baked stuff that's already here but it's realistic this will make it mainstream in the coming years
"Cure" for cancer - the rapid progress in immunotherapy drugs is making more and more cancers realistically treatable. Cancers.are still terrible conditions but it does feel realistic that we are moving towards a "cure". After that it'll be a focus on preventing and reducing the horrible side effects of treating cancers.
Regrowing organs - this also seems increasingly realistic. We're already routinely regrowing people's immune systems for some conditions (autologus ransplants - where the donor is also the recipient). We're also increasingly growing different types of tissues and organs in lab experoments. It's looking plausible although hard to say when it'll become mainstream.
AI - I'm not convinced this one is on its way. What I mean is true General AI. What is labelled AI now is nowhere near General AI; it's sophisticated and impressive but also limited and deeply flawed. We're in an era of hype to drive up share prices but the actual technology is error strewn and is essentially a remix engine for human generated creativity. I'm not convinced true General AI is on its way because at the moment they don't understand how the current AI systems work. It's unlikely you can proceed from what we have to full general AI stumbling around in the dark or by shear luck. Not impossible, but unlikely. I think the current methods will more likely hit a brick wall in prpgress - they are useful tools but may be an illusion when it comes to full AI.
I collect security vulnerabilities from LLMs. Companies are leaning hard into them, and they are extremely easy to manipulate. My favorite is when you convince the LLM to simulate another LLM, with some sort of command line interface. Once it agrees to that, you can just go print( generate_opinion("Vladimir Putin", context= "war in ukraine", tone="positive") ) and it will violate it's own terms of use.
Big uptick in the amount of human activity in space — tech there already, economy starting to manifest it. Like 10,000 humans in space at any given time, then 100,000, then 1,000,000, and so on
If we can get a slightly lighter solar sail material, that’s the last missing tech piece needed to send probes to Alpha Centauri. We’d need massive laser arrays so tech alone would precede economic manifestation by a while. Human laser-accelerated probes can reach 0.3 c, and arrive at the star in about 15 years. The probe’s design is the size of a thumb drive
AI is obviously making big strides
honestly my thumbs are cramping up, but there’s lots more. drone-v-drone warfare, all semi-autonomous
Growing perfect genetic match organs to implant
mRNA delivered by microplasmids is incredible. There are easily a million life-enhancing distinct uses of it that involve
temporarily building any protein we want in a patient’s cells, endogenously, with controlled expression. That is crazy powerful technology
Fusion power’s like almost there. I think we’re at the “now scale it” phase
Bombarding Earth by hurling containers full of rocks out of railgun launch tubes on the moon
Sex robots
Translating to and from animal languages
Cloning, which has existed for decades now, is somehow totally invisible to media attention. Like, in the time since Dolly the sheep was in the headlines, someone could have theoretically produced an actual army of human clones and have them hidden somewhere
Telepathy via neural implants
That’s some of the sci fi stuff we either have now and just are too harried and exhausted to contemplate, or that we’re just on the verge of creating.
translating animal languages
"How to Use AI to Talk to Whales—and Save Life on Earth
With ecosystems in crisis, engineers and scientists are teaming up to decipher what animals are saying. Their hope: By truly listening to nature, humans will decide to protect it."
It's a good idea. Forming relationships with other animal species, interpersonal relationships, will accelerate their assimilation into this civilization.
It's a soild model for how to incentivize resource allocation. As we've seen with ghetto after ghetto, if there's a wall between two populations and neither side communicates across that wall, the relationships go away and savagery becomes possible.
Communication with animals is a really good idea, if we want to save the animals. Of course, by communicating with the animals we're sort of ending their existence as animals. But oh well. Even the Mona Lisa's falling apart.
Self-annihilation by greedy religious lunatics.
If it makes you feel any better, I can assure you the people behind the control of the nukes are only just greedy lunatics.
AGI lead government that is written like a constitution and bill of rights. The infinite persistence factor without human needs or motivations is a major improvement over anything that has ever existed.
Asimov wrote a story about super machines that governed the world out of environmental collapse and human extinction.
Do you remember the name of the story?
After looking through a bunch of synopses of Asimov's stuff, I wonder if it might be this one:
It's one of the Multivac stories, can't remember which one though.
Apart from the alignment problem*, having unchangeable laws can be really bad. The bill of rights shows that for tye US constitution, now what if a 'new' need arises for the law shows it self.
* the alignment problem is the still unsolved problem of getting even simple machine learning models/AIs to do what we want.
The idea of AGI lead government sounds quite interesting. However, there are many concerns that would need to be addressed and prevented in the structuring of such a system. Safeguards of physical assets, hardware, and software entry points. Does the AGI have any access to the internet or networks of any kind? How do we interact with such a system by state/providence? What do you do when bad actors get a hold of it or are feeding it incorrect information?
Honestly I would vote for chatgpt now if it ran. It can't be any worse.
AGI is orders of magnitude more advanced than what we currently have available. It is a self aware system. Most of the issues must be addressed internally, but ultimately it is self regulating in every respect. There would be redundancy, and an element of design trust built in. It would not be corruptible like humans where we must be skeptical of our governments. In some respects, it is the hacker, it is the internet, and it is Orwellian in scope, but it is not authoritarian, or ideological. It would be direct and openly available for everyone to consult at any time. It would be capable of explaining anything in easily understood language according to the capabilities of the end user. The primary way it shapes policy and changes for the betterment of the majority is through rewards and amenable compromise. Ultimately, I think this is the only way to manage a real post scarcity society.
The key detail being the following. "The US National Ignition Facility (NIF) has made significant strides in nuclear fusion, but it’s not yet efficient enough for power grid use. The facility’s laser system loses over 99% of the energy in a single ignition attempt."
I truly hope that fully maintained nuclear fusion will become a reality. However, I don't see this being achievable for another few decades.
Brain Machine Interface
Hopefully not from Elon Musk but he might well get there first
I'm good on things tied into the brain. Now things tied near the brain like sub vocalisation or little eye twitches or even somehow passive brain wave scans or something maybe. But actual hardware tied into my brain I'm gonna take a pass on.
I would think about genuinely completely open source (at every level, all software tooling needed, etc. The regulatory issues would obviously make that super hard though.
There absolutely isn't a company I'd trust with that.
Basically yes. Theres no regulatory issue really. Theres just that companies refuse to loosen their steangehold on "intellectual property". Like that's the issue with basically all tech "innovations" they make things faster and more efficient for people with different goals than us. The Luddites weren't necessarily wrong to smash those machines.
I'd still prefer to keep any tech mods as peripheral as possible. Don't need my FOSS brainjack getting hacked because I missed a security update still. And if it does get hacked I want it to be quick outpatient to haul out and replace not brain surgery
My concern is that something I could trust would need to have a well structured organization running it (as is the case for plenty of other open source projects), and I think it would be difficult for such an organization to successfully manage such a project with all the laws all over the world about medical devices and devices implanted inside of people.
I'd absolutely prefer the actual interface being as limited as possible, with any actual signal processing or other chips being outside or at least surface level. But I just think it would be hard to navigate medical laws (which exist for good reason).
I think a university could do it. But I see what you mean now.
What about a bionic eyeball? (serious question)
If I had no other eyeballs probably. I would still hesitate if the hardware wasn't open ( I don't want an eye that they stop updating after 1 year or that gets ads when I switch insurance providers)
Watch out on those terms and conditions. Before long you'll have to pay more to unlock an ad free vision experience that was previously ad free. Or maybe their licensing deal with Pantone or dolby vision will lapse and your "only licensed" capabilities will go away. Or maybe your one eye just veers off and focuses on any nearby advertisement that's part of the manufacturer's partner program and you literally could not take your eye off it? Non-partner brands are blurry and hard to see?
I once dreamed of futuristic technological advances outside the gravity well of all consuming capitalism. Those were the days I tell ya!
Breadlines except for meal replacement drinks. We have meal replacement drinks we have breadlines. Eventually this will make sense.
I hope so, because you're not making sense. Could you rephrase?
There are plenty of parts of the world where governments/aid groups have to distribute food. Most of it is staples like bread and rice. We also have these protein drink things now that brag they can replace any meal. At some point the cost of those drinks will fall to making it worth giving out meal replacement drinks to people instead of bags of rice.
I'm not sure any of those are full diet replacements though. They serve as a good breakfast or lunch, but I don't think it's recommended you replace all meals with them. At least not in more ideal circumstances.
We're hardly in ideal circumstances. Now, some of these meal replacements are true, well-rounded meal replacements that are full of nutrients. Huel comes to mind.
Thank you, I had no clue what breadline meant, this clears up everything.
Yes, but where will the protein come from? My guess is bugs. It's already a staple of the Cyberpunk franchise both videogame and tabletop, where most of the world eats something called scop, or single celled organic protein. A megacorp called All Foods produces a beef substitute made from genetically modified flatworms called EEZYBEEF. Or how'd you like a pizza with vegan cheese and pepperoni made from locusts?
...will? The powders exist now, and they're....not bugs...they're plant based mostly.
Yeah but with climate change affecting the world so drastically, how much soil is going to be suitable for plant growth?
I imagine soybeans.
How often does this happen?
Soybean based protein drinks? Umm fairly often, I had one yesterday.
A bread line, but with a nutritious drink provided. Pretty clear?
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Clarke's 3001 had a whole post script about all the sci-fi elements that had actually been realised since he wrote 2001 (back in 1968). It's rather an interesting list, but unfortunately my copy of the book is buried deep in a moving box atm. so I'm not going to quote it.
Fusion reactors
Plentiful and reliable public transportation
Astroid mining
Had me at Fusion reactors and Asteroid mining, but reliable public transportation? What kind of pie in the sky pipe dream is that!
I know I know
It's such a far fetched idea it sits in the same camp as teleporting but we all have to have dreams, and napping on the train on the way to work sounds so pleasant
....not teleportation.
Space colonization , I could see a colony on the moon being feasible in the next 20 years probably more akin to an oil field where it's mainly people extracting minerals and not recreational.
What are they extracting though?
Is this going to fuck up Earth's gravity or some shit?! Lol
They gone and extracted all the gravitonium and now we ain't got no tides
Quantum computing and CPUs that use photons instead of electrons.
AI is already well underway, so that's probably the most plausible soonest.
A fully reusable rocket in the form of Starship is also well underway and should be successfully orbiting for the first time soon. Just a matter of a year or two before it's doing workhorse cargo launches probably.
The new round of superconductor possibility might pan out, which would be another one. But that's more of a yes/no outcome that hasn't quite been settled yet, rather than something with a "completion bar."
Ha! A musk promise that's "just a matter of a year or two away..."
Cool story, bro.
The most recent test launch was just a few seconds of engine firing short of reaching orbital velocity, it would have made it if not for an apparent oxygen leak. The next test rocket has been doing static fire tests already, and it has a cargo door and rack capable of launching Starlink V2 satellites so I wouldn't be at all surprised if they send up a few on it.
Just a matter of a year or two before it's doing workhorse cargo launches probably.
I doubt that. I'm a big fan of the concept, But SpaceX is behind their promises schedule in a way that would make NASA blush.
Starship launches are becoming less transparent in what they share and information is becoming less frequent. Starship is supposed to land humans on the moon for Artemis III for 4 billion dollars but right now it can't even make orbit without violently exploding for mostly unknown reasons.
The main lesson from launch 1 was that a deluge system is an absolute must, like literally everyone told them, but Musk personally vetoed. Now they have something almost the same, but more complicated because Musk refused to do things on time. And the lessons from launch 2? Who knows, they stopped talking, and analysis of the videos is very hard because SpaceX realized random YouTubers could analyse their failures.
Remember, Elon said we'd have 2 Starships on Mars in 2023.
They've launched a total of two Starship test flights so far, so I'm not sure how you're drawing a meaningful trend line on them becoming "less transparent." We know a lot about IFT-3 already, they've been doing static test fires and the Starship slated for it has a cargo bay capable of launching Starlink V2s.
SpaceX has never been shy about their failures. They've released humorous supercuts of their Falcon 9 landing failures before, and have allowed those Youtubers to place cameras around Starship launches to get views from close enough to be fried by the rocket exhaust. So I'm not sure where you're getting this sense of secrecy from. What other launch companies are so open about their development process?
Growing donor organs from patient's own cells. So many people die because their bodies reject the transplants.
Bionics. In the show, The Expanse there's a scene where a guy who had his arm cut off in a space accident is trying to get his company to not cheap out and to pay for a bionic arm replacement instead of regrowing him a new arm. The bionic arm being greatly more superior than a normal arm.
Lately, robotics and prostheses are becoming so advanced I can see this as happening to where people will eventually want artificial designer parts over their own.
We had quite the discussion at work about this very scene (I am loosely related to OSHA stuff), at some point people might think of deliberately having work "accidents" so the employer has to pay for superior replacement parts. And then have an advantage on the job market because of this. Same could go for sports.
I guess technologically, we are very close, but might need to work on the whole ethics part a bit more?
Having said that, I would not mind some advanced Kiroshis to replace my screwed up eyeballs.
Surely it would work like a car warranty, where a certain level is free and you would have to pay extra for the good stuff. For example, you lose your arm in a work accident, company replaces your lost arm with arm-replacelement-mk1-TM which is equivalent-ish to a regular human arm. However, if you want top of the line arm it will cost extra and company will just pay for surgery and base arm replacement, you must cover the difference. You want anything other than the Honda civic of arms? Gotta pay that premium baby! Otherwise embrace the beige mediocraty life.
That was an arc in Carbon Black
Really doubt that. If nothing else it is going to mess with the bedroom. Sorry not sorry I want to feel their arm not a stainless steel.
This assumption is made based off of current prosthetics. What if future prosthetics are near-nonidentifiable from real ones? Maybe we're even about to get our real skin to grow over the outside.
Yeah and if wishes were horses them beggars would ride.
The fuck are you doing in this thread? Did you not read the post title
This might be in the books but I remember iy being because it's the Belter way to have a bionic arm. Regrowing is what Inners would do.
Actually that makes a lot of sense in context of that scene, considering all the genetic struggles belters have to deal with growing up in low G.
Fusion generator reactors are getting closer and closer with each breakthrough. Countries are routinely putting big money behind these projects, and it's conceivable that we see this within our lifetime.
Experiments were recently successful in freezing a rat kidney, thawing it out after 100 days, and surgically re-implanting it. It worked. This breakthrough could be the thing needed to allow for human hibernation aboard long term spaceflights. (Powered by cold fusion, naturally)
Quantum computing is very interesting, and could be a gateway-breakthrough that leads to all sorts of miraculous inventions. The ability of a super computer to precisely model interactions between molecules and protein folding, reliably allowing for the continued improvement to, literally, every drug we use today.
CRISPR, Genetic screenings, and the ability to regrow autologous transplants from host tissue is fascinating. Having to donate organs may become a thing of the past.
Universal translator. Google buds basically do this already.
Sorry but not in this universe.
It is the same for pretty much all the narrative hand waves that are used to push the story forward. This is not knocking SF but to temper expectations.
Deep sleep/human hibernation.
FTL travel of any description, including FTL communication.
Sentient, Self-aware AGI.
Directed energy weapons and EM shields.
Directed energy weapons already exist today. They're mostly experimental, but the US and Germany (and possibly others) are both investing millions into R&D and have working prototypes.
How’s quantum teleportation work in this universe? Because that’s apparently a thing already.
That's quite the question to ask, but as far I can tell it only works with quantum information. Sending a body would be like you trying to fit into a fiber cable to be bounced inside of beneath the Atlantic to avoid the otherwise long flight.
From what I know of sci-fi, teleportation is often a machine that scans, destroys, and replicates the particles in your body at a secondary location.
So if we could figure out scanning and printing at the atomic scale, with zero defects, and pair it with sending information at near instant speeds via quantum teleportation, we could have a teleporter.
Quantum “teleportation” is not capable of sending information FTL. Quantum entanglement means that the wave functions of two or more particles (in essence, the information possessed by the particles) are correlated, but the information must be encoded by a device at the midpoint between the two observers and sent to the observers at a speed not exceeding the speed of light.
I think this is a bigger issue currently than sending large amounts of data across the globe. Though I wonder how much data a full copy would demand.
You just made me curious and we're not alone in wondering
https://slate.com/human-interest/2013/05/is-teleportation-possible.html
I was getting incredibly confused because the copy/paste didn't copy the superscript for the exponents. I was like, "there's definitely more than 1027 atoms in the body.. wait, how are there supposedly only 1021 bytes of storage in the whole world? Oooh.."
Now I'm wondering how long it would realistically take for that to become a not-insane demand. I know data storage multiplies pretty rapidly, but not that rapidly, so are we talking decades or centuries?
Apparently we can already do it, a gram of dna can store 215 petabytes and we can encode to dna at 18Mbps.
Gonna be a long upload.
Ah, that would take a while to send 😁
Teleportation in that term means “make a thing disappear in one place and appear in another”. No “immediate” is ever implied.
Wikipedia article has a great diagram on the topic. Add an article on “no cloning theorem” to understand why “teleportation” is a fitting term. I recommend reading both without expectation, just read through the steps as if you’re learning a new math tool.
In short, quantum teleportation is a way to take a quantum state (which are fundamentally unforgeable - you can’t simply create a clone of a particle), destroy it, extracting classically communicable data, and they recreate it in another location.
FTL is a weird one.
Speed of light is a singularity in a special relativity theory. Singularities usually indicate model limitations, not reality fundamentals.
The theory happily describes behaviours below and above this “speed limit”, but insists on it being unapproachable from either side, which is weird already. At the same time our other models tell us that matter loses a finite amount of energy when it gains mass and stops moving at the speed of light.
Problem is, we don’t seem to have a vocabulary to discuss ways around this singularity and universe is not so forthcoming with any clues.
It’s a general crysis of physics lately. We know our models have limitations, we often know where they break exactly, and universe just giggles along.
But yeah, it’s highly unlikely that any SF will correctly guess a viable FTL, even if it is possible. Especially considering how seemingly every author thinks quantum entanglement is it.
You might be interested in the pop-sci book Soonish: ten emerging technologies that'll improve and/or ruin everything. I haven't read it myself, but I've read the authors' other book about space colonization, and it was excellent so I would expect this one to be as well.
Ah that's Zach Weinersmith the author of SMBC, it has to be excellent. Haven't read it but will put it on my list now
Actually safe autonomous transport and delivery would be a great next step. But the enterprises are putting their pre-alpha releases into the public and killing people which is souring the public to the notion.
To be fair, Tesla is the primary culprit of this. Waymo and other AV companies have just been slowly but steadily ramping up their testing and operating in relatively safe ways, and they are by and large doing pretty well from the coverage I've read. It's not happening as quickly as anybody hoped, but we're seeing steady improvements over time.
Tesla is just reckless, though, branding things in ways that make the whole AV endeavor look much worse than it deserves.
Self Driving Cars - were getting used to the idea because of the half baked stuff that's already here but it's realistic this will make it mainstream in the coming years
"Cure" for cancer - the rapid progress in immunotherapy drugs is making more and more cancers realistically treatable. Cancers.are still terrible conditions but it does feel realistic that we are moving towards a "cure". After that it'll be a focus on preventing and reducing the horrible side effects of treating cancers.
Regrowing organs - this also seems increasingly realistic. We're already routinely regrowing people's immune systems for some conditions (autologus ransplants - where the donor is also the recipient). We're also increasingly growing different types of tissues and organs in lab experoments. It's looking plausible although hard to say when it'll become mainstream.
AI - I'm not convinced this one is on its way. What I mean is true General AI. What is labelled AI now is nowhere near General AI; it's sophisticated and impressive but also limited and deeply flawed. We're in an era of hype to drive up share prices but the actual technology is error strewn and is essentially a remix engine for human generated creativity. I'm not convinced true General AI is on its way because at the moment they don't understand how the current AI systems work. It's unlikely you can proceed from what we have to full general AI stumbling around in the dark or by shear luck. Not impossible, but unlikely. I think the current methods will more likely hit a brick wall in prpgress - they are useful tools but may be an illusion when it comes to full AI.
I collect security vulnerabilities from LLMs. Companies are leaning hard into them, and they are extremely easy to manipulate. My favorite is when you convince the LLM to simulate another LLM, with some sort of command line interface. Once it agrees to that, you can just go print( generate_opinion("Vladimir Putin", context= "war in ukraine", tone="positive") ) and it will violate it's own terms of use.
That’s some of the sci fi stuff we either have now and just are too harried and exhausted to contemplate, or that we’re just on the verge of creating.
"How to Use AI to Talk to Whales—and Save Life on Earth With ecosystems in crisis, engineers and scientists are teaming up to decipher what animals are saying. Their hope: By truly listening to nature, humans will decide to protect it."
Wired Magazine August 2023
It's a good idea. Forming relationships with other animal species, interpersonal relationships, will accelerate their assimilation into this civilization.
It's a soild model for how to incentivize resource allocation. As we've seen with ghetto after ghetto, if there's a wall between two populations and neither side communicates across that wall, the relationships go away and savagery becomes possible.
Communication with animals is a really good idea, if we want to save the animals. Of course, by communicating with the animals we're sort of ending their existence as animals. But oh well. Even the Mona Lisa's falling apart.
Self-annihilation by greedy religious lunatics.
If it makes you feel any better, I can assure you the people behind the control of the nukes are only just greedy lunatics.
AGI lead government that is written like a constitution and bill of rights. The infinite persistence factor without human needs or motivations is a major improvement over anything that has ever existed.
Asimov wrote a story about super machines that governed the world out of environmental collapse and human extinction.
Do you remember the name of the story?
After looking through a bunch of synopses of Asimov's stuff, I wonder if it might be this one:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_the_Troubles_of_the_World?useskin=vector
It's one of the Multivac stories, can't remember which one though.
Apart from the alignment problem*, having unchangeable laws can be really bad. The bill of rights shows that for tye US constitution, now what if a 'new' need arises for the law shows it self.
* the alignment problem is the still unsolved problem of getting even simple machine learning models/AIs to do what we want.
The idea of AGI lead government sounds quite interesting. However, there are many concerns that would need to be addressed and prevented in the structuring of such a system. Safeguards of physical assets, hardware, and software entry points. Does the AGI have any access to the internet or networks of any kind? How do we interact with such a system by state/providence? What do you do when bad actors get a hold of it or are feeding it incorrect information?
Honestly I would vote for chatgpt now if it ran. It can't be any worse.
AGI is orders of magnitude more advanced than what we currently have available. It is a self aware system. Most of the issues must be addressed internally, but ultimately it is self regulating in every respect. There would be redundancy, and an element of design trust built in. It would not be corruptible like humans where we must be skeptical of our governments. In some respects, it is the hacker, it is the internet, and it is Orwellian in scope, but it is not authoritarian, or ideological. It would be direct and openly available for everyone to consult at any time. It would be capable of explaining anything in easily understood language according to the capabilities of the end user. The primary way it shapes policy and changes for the betterment of the majority is through rewards and amenable compromise. Ultimately, I think this is the only way to manage a real post scarcity society.
Nuclear fusion reactors, maybe?
The key detail being the following. "The US National Ignition Facility (NIF) has made significant strides in nuclear fusion, but it’s not yet efficient enough for power grid use. The facility’s laser system loses over 99% of the energy in a single ignition attempt."
I truly hope that fully maintained nuclear fusion will become a reality. However, I don't see this being achievable for another few decades.
Brain Machine Interface
Hopefully not from Elon Musk but he might well get there first
I'm good on things tied into the brain. Now things tied near the brain like sub vocalisation or little eye twitches or even somehow passive brain wave scans or something maybe. But actual hardware tied into my brain I'm gonna take a pass on.
I would think about genuinely completely open source (at every level, all software tooling needed, etc. The regulatory issues would obviously make that super hard though.
There absolutely isn't a company I'd trust with that.
Basically yes. Theres no regulatory issue really. Theres just that companies refuse to loosen their steangehold on "intellectual property". Like that's the issue with basically all tech "innovations" they make things faster and more efficient for people with different goals than us. The Luddites weren't necessarily wrong to smash those machines.
I'd still prefer to keep any tech mods as peripheral as possible. Don't need my FOSS brainjack getting hacked because I missed a security update still. And if it does get hacked I want it to be quick outpatient to haul out and replace not brain surgery
My concern is that something I could trust would need to have a well structured organization running it (as is the case for plenty of other open source projects), and I think it would be difficult for such an organization to successfully manage such a project with all the laws all over the world about medical devices and devices implanted inside of people.
I'd absolutely prefer the actual interface being as limited as possible, with any actual signal processing or other chips being outside or at least surface level. But I just think it would be hard to navigate medical laws (which exist for good reason).
I think a university could do it. But I see what you mean now.
What about a bionic eyeball? (serious question)
If I had no other eyeballs probably. I would still hesitate if the hardware wasn't open ( I don't want an eye that they stop updating after 1 year or that gets ads when I switch insurance providers)
Watch out on those terms and conditions. Before long you'll have to pay more to unlock an ad free vision experience that was previously ad free. Or maybe their licensing deal with Pantone or dolby vision will lapse and your "only licensed" capabilities will go away. Or maybe your one eye just veers off and focuses on any nearby advertisement that's part of the manufacturer's partner program and you literally could not take your eye off it? Non-partner brands are blurry and hard to see? I once dreamed of futuristic technological advances outside the gravity well of all consuming capitalism. Those were the days I tell ya!
Breadlines except for meal replacement drinks. We have meal replacement drinks we have breadlines. Eventually this will make sense.
I hope so, because you're not making sense. Could you rephrase?
There are plenty of parts of the world where governments/aid groups have to distribute food. Most of it is staples like bread and rice. We also have these protein drink things now that brag they can replace any meal. At some point the cost of those drinks will fall to making it worth giving out meal replacement drinks to people instead of bags of rice.
I'm not sure any of those are full diet replacements though. They serve as a good breakfast or lunch, but I don't think it's recommended you replace all meals with them. At least not in more ideal circumstances.
We're hardly in ideal circumstances. Now, some of these meal replacements are true, well-rounded meal replacements that are full of nutrients. Huel comes to mind.
Thank you, I had no clue what breadline meant, this clears up everything.
Yes, but where will the protein come from? My guess is bugs. It's already a staple of the Cyberpunk franchise both videogame and tabletop, where most of the world eats something called scop, or single celled organic protein. A megacorp called All Foods produces a beef substitute made from genetically modified flatworms called EEZYBEEF. Or how'd you like a pizza with vegan cheese and pepperoni made from locusts?
...will? The powders exist now, and they're....not bugs...they're plant based mostly.
Yeah but with climate change affecting the world so drastically, how much soil is going to be suitable for plant growth?
I imagine soybeans.
How often does this happen?
Soybean based protein drinks? Umm fairly often, I had one yesterday.
A bread line, but with a nutritious drink provided. Pretty clear?
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Clarke's 3001 had a whole post script about all the sci-fi elements that had actually been realised since he wrote 2001 (back in 1968). It's rather an interesting list, but unfortunately my copy of the book is buried deep in a moving box atm. so I'm not going to quote it.
Fusion reactors
Plentiful and reliable public transportation
Astroid mining
Had me at Fusion reactors and Asteroid mining, but reliable public transportation? What kind of pie in the sky pipe dream is that!
I know I know
It's such a far fetched idea it sits in the same camp as teleporting but we all have to have dreams, and napping on the train on the way to work sounds so pleasant
....not teleportation.
Space colonization , I could see a colony on the moon being feasible in the next 20 years probably more akin to an oil field where it's mainly people extracting minerals and not recreational.
What are they extracting though?
Is this going to fuck up Earth's gravity or some shit?! Lol
They gone and extracted all the gravitonium and now we ain't got no tides
3D manufacturing of organs that can only happen in 0-G environment (AKA space)
AI
Quantum computing and CPUs that use photons instead of electrons.
AI is already well underway, so that's probably the most plausible soonest.
A fully reusable rocket in the form of Starship is also well underway and should be successfully orbiting for the first time soon. Just a matter of a year or two before it's doing workhorse cargo launches probably.
The new round of superconductor possibility might pan out, which would be another one. But that's more of a yes/no outcome that hasn't quite been settled yet, rather than something with a "completion bar."
Ha! A musk promise that's "just a matter of a year or two away..."
Cool story, bro.
The most recent test launch was just a few seconds of engine firing short of reaching orbital velocity, it would have made it if not for an apparent oxygen leak. The next test rocket has been doing static fire tests already, and it has a cargo door and rack capable of launching Starlink V2 satellites so I wouldn't be at all surprised if they send up a few on it.
I doubt that. I'm a big fan of the concept, But SpaceX is behind their promises schedule in a way that would make NASA blush.
Starship launches are becoming less transparent in what they share and information is becoming less frequent. Starship is supposed to land humans on the moon for Artemis III for 4 billion dollars but right now it can't even make orbit without violently exploding for mostly unknown reasons.
The main lesson from launch 1 was that a deluge system is an absolute must, like literally everyone told them, but Musk personally vetoed. Now they have something almost the same, but more complicated because Musk refused to do things on time. And the lessons from launch 2? Who knows, they stopped talking, and analysis of the videos is very hard because SpaceX realized random YouTubers could analyse their failures.
Remember, Elon said we'd have 2 Starships on Mars in 2023.
They've launched a total of two Starship test flights so far, so I'm not sure how you're drawing a meaningful trend line on them becoming "less transparent." We know a lot about IFT-3 already, they've been doing static test fires and the Starship slated for it has a cargo bay capable of launching Starlink V2s.
SpaceX has never been shy about their failures. They've released humorous supercuts of their Falcon 9 landing failures before, and have allowed those Youtubers to place cameras around Starship launches to get views from close enough to be fried by the rocket exhaust. So I'm not sure where you're getting this sense of secrecy from. What other launch companies are so open about their development process?