I mean, cool, they're finally replacing Geforce Experience, one of the worst pieces of software ever made.
But they're replacing it with shit that commits all the same crimes. Locally run webserver hosting web interfaces and a website running in a packaged Chrome accesses. Instead of something utterly wild like oh I don't know, actually building a piece of software not a web page!
Also it still commits the cardinal crime of letting 11y old me do the design and what I thought was "COOOOOL!", instead of just, you know, looking like an app. In the design language of the OS. Which would be wild, I know.
Hey at least you won't have to sign in anymore just to get automatic driver update checking.
That is true. I will say, even with all the features dropped, this is a step in the right direction.
It's a small one overall, but credit where credit is due, this shows promise. Just wish the underlying architecture were better, it's still based on the packaged chrome thing.
But being forced to create an account for basic software features is my favorite part!
You need an account for update checks? Yet another stupid NVidia antifeature that NVCleanstall saves me from, I guess...
Your replacement option is Sunshine, or switching to using a steam link setup.
Shit that what I meant to put. Will this affect Sunshine?
Not for me, no. Sunshine is already the open re-implementation of the gamestream component of Geforce Experience.
Oh perfect thanks
one of the worst pieces of software ever made
That's kind of an understatement.
Hey, Logitech G-Hub is bad too!!
Agreed. They are planning to take away the control panel so we'll be stuck with this dogshit. Hopefully someone makes something similar to nvidia profile inspector to simulate the old drivers so we remove this new app bullshit.
Definitely better than GeForce Experience but not exactly what I'm talking about either.
Damn, who shit in your cornflakes this morning?
Their drivers have always been available directly from their website.
This app is just for Windows, I’m not sure why you’re blabbing on about package managers
Windows has 3 package managers. Chocolatey and scoop are third party while winget ia supported by Microsoft. There's even a 3rd party made winget gui that interacts with all package managers. BTW, you can download windows store apps through the package manager, and shocker, it installs faster then from the store.
So yeah, having nvidia drivers through any of the package managers would be cool.
I’m well aware of these. Winget is a disaster of a package manager. All of them just download and run conventional installers with none of the tidiness you get with real package managers on systems actually designed for them. It’s fun watching winget update an app that already updated itself. Do any other GPU vendors typically distribute their drivers through winget?
But the real answer here is Windows Update, which Nvidia does publish drivers through. But not game ready versions, only WHQL certified builds.
Not really nvidia's fault no one bothered doing it for windows users. I mean it sucks for gamers but nvidia hasn't cared about this market segment for a while now
Nvidia shit in my cornflakes, obviously.
by….not putting their driver on winget?
Let's not pretend like they aren't pushing people to use their data harvesting app.
I haven't used it since it was released. It's literally unchecked by default in the driver installer.
At least you can still download just the driver. Its literally just bloatware from your graphics card manufacture.
Good, I've unchecked movies experience so many times
You can try, but those assholes will keep trying to get your data
Just on install, the legal stuff you need to accept is just creepy af. Next time i will get a AMD graphics card, it has a lot more open drivers ( especially because i am a linux user )
Imagine if your GPU drivers just updated through your package manager. We could have so much automated shit but Nvidia needs tk collect your personal data so heres a web page disguised ss an app. I fucken hate this shit.
To be fair, they do on Windows.
Only WHQL drivers though and it's slow to get onto the WSUS catalog
Because they require extra certification from Microsoft.
if nvidia spent as much time on their drivers as they do on their failed software attempts the drivers might actually work
Geforce Experience had a non-zero percent influence on my choice to go radeon this time around. I doubt this replacement would fare any better, by the sounds of things.
Nvidia experience has gotten so bad that I actually download drivers manually from the site again. It should not take 3+ minutes to start a program that does virtually nothing and THEN make me login to even fucking use it - just to update the driver.
I'm using NVCleanstall, it let's let's you configure exactly what components you want installed or not. Can even choose not to install the HDMI audio driver if you don't have a need for it.
Their normal installer allows the hdmi to be removed too, was so happy when I discovered that because I want my monitor to act as speakers exactly never
Huh, didn't know that, pretty cool
It's easy to miss, the checkbox is like one shade of grey different to the things you can't deselect
I don't even use this app on my windows install. As soon as it made me log in I just uninstalled it. Why the fuck would I need to enable data collection to tweak the video card I bought off them? It's bullshit.
I went the other way, I do miss the control radeon had, now I have to use afterburner to do the fan control stuff.
It's completely optional. All the real driver options are in the control panel.
Given how atrocious it is to download drivers from their website...
You're mostly right but damn, their offerings aren't pretty.
I haven't used NVIDIA for drivers in years. You can use NVCleanstall to install them without all the crap.
That is good knowledge
For now they are, when they are happy with new software they will remove old panel, because otherwise they would have to keep updating two apps with same new changes.
Using the Radeon software is such a good experience. I never had any issues with it or the driver, they are looking clean, are responsive and actually helpful.
Hope that you get a similar experience, for how expensive Nvidia is it should be mandatory to have a good software...
I never realized how stupid GeForce Experience was until I built a PC for someone and realized I'd have to explain to them that they need to register an account on a special software just to keep their GPU driver updated.
Even with the insanity of Nvidia on linux, all I have to do is sudo dnf install akmod-nvidia once and let dnf handle updates automatically.
Is it another electron app?
With 10x the tracking, and "AI" to scan your files to help "optimize" your experience?
Fucking finally. Their current one is trash.
Hope they also add overclocking and stuff too, like in AMD's control panel. And remove the telemetry bs.
The RTX HDR is fucking lit, especially on emulators cause reshade HDR just was, alright.
Any recommendations for fine tuning Sunshine to match Nvidia's local Gamestream? I haven't had much luck in getting Sunshine to run as smoothly at 4K 120Hz HDR 150Mbps via LAN as Nvidia's deprecated streaming server software, so have to slow to migrate over.
Sunshine/Moonlight should perform better than Gamestream at the default settings.Try turning down your bitrate. 4K will work fine at 100Mbps.
Uh sunshine is usually MORE performant, not less. I would suggest heading to the Moonlight/Sunshine discord server and requesting help there.
Personally I have no issues streaming 4k@60 150mbps on a wired connection with moonlight and sunshine. Would try @120 if I had a display that supported it lol
I'm surprised I couldn't yet find a dummy HDMI plug to spoof a 4K@120Hz capable display. All the ones I've found thus far only support 120Hz at 1080p, and never any HDR support at all. I have an OLED android device with 2K screen and matching refresh rate, but the without a physical monitor to stream capturing from. Emulating such display resolutions and colored depths also seems just as formidably challenging.
Why not use one of the EDID cloning ones? All you need is access to a display with the features you need.
Have you tried the AV1 codec?
Aside from my PC, the newest device I own is only a snapdragon 8 gen 1 soc device, which I think sadly doesn't have a hardware AV1 decider. Definitely a consideration for later upgrades.
Gamestream was already killed, no? I had to install Sunshine to carry on using Moonlight on my Nvidia Shield.
Thank you for the info. I just got a Shield. Steam Link works alright but couldn't for the life of me configure Moonlight with GeForce experience.
Steam Link performance was terrible for me. Like half the frame rate and crunchy as hell. No idea why. I assume it was using CPU rather than GPU, or maybe using too much GPU...
GFE worked for a bit (until Nvidia killed it) but would often use the wrong monitor with no way to configure it.
Great...now I need an account just to set my display resolution. How long until the 4k setting costs 5$ a month?
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The new app has fewer account requirements than the one it is replacing. With GFE, you needed an account just to get automatic driver updates. With the new app, you can do just about anything except redeem free bundled games without an account.
That a lot of doom and gloom for someone that obviously doesn't even know what it does.
I mean, cool, they're finally replacing Geforce Experience, one of the worst pieces of software ever made.
But they're replacing it with shit that commits all the same crimes. Locally run webserver hosting web interfaces and a website running in a packaged Chrome accesses. Instead of something utterly wild like oh I don't know, actually building a piece of software not a web page!
Also it still commits the cardinal crime of letting 11y old me do the design and what I thought was "COOOOOL!", instead of just, you know, looking like an app. In the design language of the OS. Which would be wild, I know.
Hey at least you won't have to sign in anymore just to get automatic driver update checking.
That is true. I will say, even with all the features dropped, this is a step in the right direction.
It's a small one overall, but credit where credit is due, this shows promise. Just wish the underlying architecture were better, it's still based on the packaged chrome thing.
But being forced to create an account for basic software features is my favorite part!
You need an account for update checks? Yet another stupid NVidia antifeature that NVCleanstall saves me from, I guess...
you don’t anymore
I fucking work in web development, and I’d rather a UI for a desktop app be built in a native coding framework.
It doesn’t even connect well to all the system level shit it needs to do. EA’s app had a million issues with this.
If they're replacing GeForce experience.... Is that going to break moonlight?
By itself, yes. GameStream is EOL. And this is said end, it seems.
Your replacement option is Sunshine, or switching to using a steam link setup.
Shit that what I meant to put. Will this affect Sunshine?
Not for me, no. Sunshine is already the open re-implementation of the gamestream component of Geforce Experience.
Oh perfect thanks
That's kind of an understatement.
Hey, Logitech G-Hub is bad too!!
Agreed. They are planning to take away the control panel so we'll be stuck with this dogshit. Hopefully someone makes something similar to nvidia profile inspector to simulate the old drivers so we remove this new app bullshit.
How about just let us download our fucking drivers through a regular package manager like all our other updates you privacy raping shit gibbons?
Does this not work for you? Seems simple enough.
https://www.nvidia.com/download/index.aspx
Definitely better than GeForce Experience but not exactly what I'm talking about either.
Damn, who shit in your cornflakes this morning?
Their drivers have always been available directly from their website.
This app is just for Windows, I’m not sure why you’re blabbing on about package managers
Windows has 3 package managers. Chocolatey and scoop are third party while winget ia supported by Microsoft. There's even a 3rd party made winget gui that interacts with all package managers. BTW, you can download windows store apps through the package manager, and shocker, it installs faster then from the store.
So yeah, having nvidia drivers through any of the package managers would be cool.
I’m well aware of these. Winget is a disaster of a package manager. All of them just download and run conventional installers with none of the tidiness you get with real package managers on systems actually designed for them. It’s fun watching winget update an app that already updated itself. Do any other GPU vendors typically distribute their drivers through winget?
But the real answer here is Windows Update, which Nvidia does publish drivers through. But not game ready versions, only WHQL certified builds.
Not really nvidia's fault no one bothered doing it for windows users. I mean it sucks for gamers but nvidia hasn't cared about this market segment for a while now
Nvidia shit in my cornflakes, obviously.
by….not putting their driver on winget?
Let's not pretend like they aren't pushing people to use their data harvesting app.
I haven't used it since it was released. It's literally unchecked by default in the driver installer.
At least you can still download just the driver. Its literally just bloatware from your graphics card manufacture.
Good, I've unchecked movies experience so many times
You can try, but those assholes will keep trying to get your data
Just on install, the legal stuff you need to accept is just creepy af. Next time i will get a AMD graphics card, it has a lot more open drivers ( especially because i am a linux user )
Imagine if your GPU drivers just updated through your package manager. We could have so much automated shit but Nvidia needs tk collect your personal data so heres a web page disguised ss an app. I fucken hate this shit.
To be fair, they do on Windows.
Only WHQL drivers though and it's slow to get onto the WSUS catalog
Because they require extra certification from Microsoft.
if nvidia spent as much time on their drivers as they do on their failed software attempts the drivers might actually work
Geforce Experience had a non-zero percent influence on my choice to go radeon this time around. I doubt this replacement would fare any better, by the sounds of things.
Nvidia experience has gotten so bad that I actually download drivers manually from the site again. It should not take 3+ minutes to start a program that does virtually nothing and THEN make me login to even fucking use it - just to update the driver.
I'm using NVCleanstall, it let's let's you configure exactly what components you want installed or not. Can even choose not to install the HDMI audio driver if you don't have a need for it.
Their normal installer allows the hdmi to be removed too, was so happy when I discovered that because I want my monitor to act as speakers exactly never
Huh, didn't know that, pretty cool
It's easy to miss, the checkbox is like one shade of grey different to the things you can't deselect
I don't even use this app on my windows install. As soon as it made me log in I just uninstalled it. Why the fuck would I need to enable data collection to tweak the video card I bought off them? It's bullshit.
I went the other way, I do miss the control radeon had, now I have to use afterburner to do the fan control stuff.
It's completely optional. All the real driver options are in the control panel.
Given how atrocious it is to download drivers from their website...
You're mostly right but damn, their offerings aren't pretty.
I haven't used NVIDIA for drivers in years. You can use NVCleanstall to install them without all the crap.
That is good knowledge
For now they are, when they are happy with new software they will remove old panel, because otherwise they would have to keep updating two apps with same new changes.
Using the Radeon software is such a good experience. I never had any issues with it or the driver, they are looking clean, are responsive and actually helpful.
Hope that you get a similar experience, for how expensive Nvidia is it should be mandatory to have a good software...
I never realized how stupid GeForce Experience was until I built a PC for someone and realized I'd have to explain to them that they need to register an account on a special software just to keep their GPU driver updated.
Even with the insanity of Nvidia on linux, all I have to do is
sudo dnf install akmod-nvidiaonce and let dnf handle updates automatically.Is it another electron app?
With 10x the tracking, and "AI" to scan your files to help "optimize" your experience?
Fucking finally. Their current one is trash.
Hope they also add overclocking and stuff too, like in AMD's control panel. And remove the telemetry bs.
The RTX HDR is fucking lit, especially on emulators cause reshade HDR just was, alright.
Any recommendations for fine tuning Sunshine to match Nvidia's local Gamestream? I haven't had much luck in getting Sunshine to run as smoothly at 4K 120Hz HDR 150Mbps via LAN as Nvidia's deprecated streaming server software, so have to slow to migrate over.
Sunshine/Moonlight should perform better than Gamestream at the default settings.Try turning down your bitrate. 4K will work fine at 100Mbps.
Uh sunshine is usually MORE performant, not less. I would suggest heading to the Moonlight/Sunshine discord server and requesting help there.
Personally I have no issues streaming 4k@60 150mbps on a wired connection with moonlight and sunshine. Would try @120 if I had a display that supported it lol
I'm surprised I couldn't yet find a dummy HDMI plug to spoof a 4K@120Hz capable display. All the ones I've found thus far only support 120Hz at 1080p, and never any HDR support at all. I have an OLED android device with 2K screen and matching refresh rate, but the without a physical monitor to stream capturing from. Emulating such display resolutions and colored depths also seems just as formidably challenging.
Why not use one of the EDID cloning ones? All you need is access to a display with the features you need.
Have you tried the AV1 codec?
Aside from my PC, the newest device I own is only a snapdragon 8 gen 1 soc device, which I think sadly doesn't have a hardware AV1 decider. Definitely a consideration for later upgrades.
Gamestream was already killed, no? I had to install Sunshine to carry on using Moonlight on my Nvidia Shield.
Thank you for the info. I just got a Shield. Steam Link works alright but couldn't for the life of me configure Moonlight with GeForce experience.
Steam Link performance was terrible for me. Like half the frame rate and crunchy as hell. No idea why. I assume it was using CPU rather than GPU, or maybe using too much GPU...
GFE worked for a bit (until Nvidia killed it) but would often use the wrong monitor with no way to configure it.
Great...now I need an account just to set my display resolution. How long until the 4k setting costs 5$ a month?
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The new app has fewer account requirements than the one it is replacing. With GFE, you needed an account just to get automatic driver updates. With the new app, you can do just about anything except redeem free bundled games without an account.
That a lot of doom and gloom for someone that obviously doesn't even know what it does.
This reminds me of when I used to run windows.
Linux doesnt do this shit. :)
No one cares