Nevermind simply having an OS-level clipboard manager...
Win+V works decently enough for me.
Same for plasma, global clipboard is just more convenient
Global clipboard is chef's kiss. Back when I was on Ubuntu/Gnome, I had to install CopyQ but having one come with the OS is great
Global clipboard synced with the smartphone thanks to KDE connect !
I think windows+v syncs to microsoft servers or something. I remember when I was running chris titus tech's debloat script it removed that functionality.
I googled it, there is an option to sync it to your Microsoft account, but I can't say whether that's on by default when you turn on clipboard history because I skipped adding a Microsoft account. But if it is, you can turn it off in Settings -> System -> Clipboard.
Holy crap I think that may be why I never used it. Fuck how much Windows likes to calls home
An excellent option to have when one of the major use cases for clipboards is as an intermediary for password managers.
I hope they eventually get sued into the fucking ground.
Password managers should mark their clipboard data as sensitive and clean it up. Use a proper password manager and there won't be issues.
I'm don't know why but I've never used windows clipboard manager, which is weird because I go out of my way to make sure I have one when I'm on linux
There is for windows, and it's further improved if you get power toys too
I took a look through my power toys settings, but couldn't find anything there that had to do with the win+v clipboard history. Google hasn't been any help either. What is it that I'm overlooking? How does powertoys improve the clipboard history feature?
I'm currently not on my windows pc at the moment but it could be that it's functionality might actually be native to win 11? I don't realise use it myself I just remember seeing it when originally getting powertoys and thinking that was cool
The Clipboard History is indeed a part of Windows 10. But I was wondering how PowerToys enhanced the functionality of it.
I've probably completely misremembered it and maybe learned of it the same time i learned about and installed powertoys. My bad.
Application specific buffers are the first thing I disable on emacs. The OS one isn't just integrated with every other normal piece of software, it's also more powerful and easier to use.
... at least on my Linux, YMMV.
The os buffer is just another buffer that I can yank into.
Windows also has it, but it's disabled by default for some reason
It's not disabled.
Or the KDE System tray...
Ah, that is what I meant with OS-level clipboard manager (in fact, that is precisely what I thought of).
Oh, I gotcha now
Nah that'd be too intuitive
In all seriousness though, I kinda appreciate moving things around in my editor without losing that one snipet I copied for later
ive never had to think about clipboard buffers until i used a modal editor.
now i spend %60 of my time trying to figure out where the copied symbol went.
I don't have the name handy, but there's at least one plugin for vim that shows buffer previews in a popup. I've got it mapped to leader-sb (for "show buffer").
Telescope?
yah, helix has that in the info bar oob.
im just not thinking about that when im copying shit, i just want to copy paste like it's 1999.
So far I haven't been brave enough for that feature. It's either "that main place yank goes", "system clipboard", or "that place that makes it disappear" for me
You can see all registers in use with :registers, to paste from a register say "2 in insert mode use key combination 2 or in normal mode "2p. You can check out more in :help registers. Unnamed register or "" is the system clipboard I think. To copy texts in a register you can prepend yank (/delete/cut, etc.) with that register "_ (for black hole register[^black_hole])
This is for neovim. Have keybinds for them and there saved you a plugin :D
[^black_hole]: Text yanked in this register is gone, i.e. it's not saved in any register.
Gee, X11! How come your mom lets you have THREE clipboards?
then theyre all ignored by x-clip
xD
Wait is that an actual thing?
Yes. X11 replaced X10's obsolete cut buffers (which can be modified by any process) with state-of-the-art selections. There are three selections in X11: a primary, a secondary, and a clipboard.
In modern desktops, the primary selection is overwritten every time you select some text (including in the terminal), which makes its content very ephemeral. You can paste it with the middle mouse button.
The secondary selection is generally not used, but it's present in the specification, and you can use xclip -selection secondary to access it. Wayland doesn't seem to have a secondary selection.
The clipboard selection is what most people understand to be THE clipboard. You have to write to it explicitly (through a keyboard shortcut, API, or CLI tool), and its content persists until it is overwritten, explicitly cleared, or the X server is killed. While the primary and secondary can only contain text, the clipboard can contain many kinds of data.
In modern desktops, the primary selection is overwritten every time you select some text
( °O°)
You just opened a whole new world for me, it works in Wayland too
Okay I had no.idea. So on Plasma, I'm guessing when I copy anything, it's writing it both the primary selection, and the clipboard selection and that's how it stays in the clipboard manager thingy?
Not exactly. When you select a text and copy it, the two selections will end up containing the same text, but you can write to either selection without affecing the other by using an API, e.g. a website's "copy to clipboard" button, or xclip/wl-copy.
Clipboard managers with a history feature are an altogether different layer on top of the standard selections. Plasma's clipboard manager only cares about the clipboard selection, and even then, there are exceptions (e.g. copying a password for KeepassXC doesn't save it in the history).
Plasma has a setting to synchronize selection and clipboard or something like that.
I can't tell if ops joke is "intentionally confusing buffers with registers" and everyone is playing along or if people aren't making the distinction between the two in this thread.
Which is ironic and humorous...potentially by accident.
I'm an idiot and I think I confused the two haha
My thought process based on when I setup my config: "yank copies to my main 'buffer', yank copies to system clipboard through that special 'buffer', and delete deletes without replacing what's in my main 'buffer'. I have multiple clipboards!"
Completely forgot they're called registers and that buffers are just "where text is" (at least as far as I understand it)
I kind of assumed that his comment was independent of the meme he posted and served more to underline a perceived power that vim has over other editors. In this case a power OP doesn't even understand/use himself.
Y'all haven't heard of Windows clipboard history? Windows + V will change your life, I tell ya!
Last I checked you have to enable it, which is annoying.
You use it once, it asks if you want to enable, and you click literally one button.
Meanwhile, this was a feature on KDE-land since Klipper, which goes back (as far as I know and if I remember well) to KDE 3 or sooner.
There have been third party clipboard managers forever in windows, which is kind of funny because that is almost more like the unix philosophy than expecting the UI system to handle it all.
Klipper was entirely a different program, process, etc. that was using the system tray. Nowadays it seems to be a plasmoid in the system tray. How can that be less of a UNIX philosophy than the Windows alternative? Because it's developed by the same community that makes the shell? That doesn't make sense to me.
Then it's not really an apt comparison as the two are comparable. I had assumed based on context we were talking about our of the box functionality from KDE, but if it's not, then KDE and Windows had equivalent lack of clipboard history without extra tools installed.
To be fair it may be a security concern if someone is copy pasting passwords
Keeping their admin password in the history so they don't have to alt+tab to their Secret Server webpage? W-who would do such a thing?!
I was going to mention that was a potential issue
Yeah, it floors me that it doesn’t look see a high-entropy 8+ character strings and not keep it.
And I still don't really know how to use registers in vim 😂 I just use yy and paste 🥲
You just do " (listen for next character as register name)
Then, say q,w,e etc, then yy to yank as normal.
So "wyy
To retrieve it you use "wp
To add to it "Wyy
To view them :reg
Remember you can make "w anything, like "x or "p
And each time you yank it gets pushed into the default register history "0 "1 "2 etc
I didn't know about registers, thank you for this!
Ok I have to save that 🥲 thanks!
I only know how to use them with q. I hope that's a register, otherwise I will look foolish.
They are. Registers are just "named boxes" where you can store some text and/or keystrokes. When yanking and pasting, the unnamed register is used if you don't specify a name (you can still see or edit it explicitly). For recording a macro there is no default register, though. You need to give it a name.
Same thing but reversed with multiple cursors :/
That's actually the biggest thing I miss about VSCode
I also missed multiple courses, but I started using vim-visual-multi in my nvim config and it's been great. There's a few others I tried that I couldn't get to work quite right (usually some weird conflict with nvim-cmp) but I've had the best success with vim-visual-multi.
I'm gonma bookmark and try this next time I find the courage to mess around my nvim config. That last none_ls breaking change has made me very hesitant to mess around with things that aren't just colorschemes ngl.
helix has a pretty good mc system in the select mode.
search in selection is such a cool workflow
yah ive been swapping to hx wherever i need to do refactoring, it’s too good to miss out.
space-r ename symbol for easymode.
This feels like something I also do in neovim unless I'm misunderstanding you completely. Is it highlighting text and having yoir search apply just to the highlighted text?
If so, yes it's great whenever you use it
yeah, and helix spawns a cursor at every match
I've been meaning to check helix out for a while now but haven't found the time :(
Same here, but Atom. Maybe I should start using Atom again.
FYI atom project is dead. There is a community form available but it was to buggy for me.
I know it's dead. I still have it, and it still does all I want from an IDE.
huh?
any emacs elitists here?
they have no use for copy buffers, they are still configuring emacs.
No, but I'm happy to talk to you about our lord and savior nano
Get out
Sorry, is that... esc... then : then q and ! or did I get the order wrong? Can't I just ctrl+octrl+x?
Obligatory boo and/or hiss
I've also been meaning to give emacs a try but haven't found the time or energy to figure out how to exit vim
just get QT browser and search it with any search engine
I had to learn emacs for my engineering computation class, up to the point that we were required to present our code in emacs if we had questions to ask during office hours.
I got quite used to it by the end of that course.
I'm just an emacs ... enjoyer (...?) and I just don't understand the post. I'm pretty sure buffers here refer to something different from emacs buffers as they're completely unrelated to clipboards. Then from a quick scan of the plug-in mentioned it seems to mimic the clipboard ring emacs has had for many decades (always?).
Basically I have no idea what's going on here.
We be rocking that kill ring !
What would an operating system need yank registers for? Maybe if you get a good text editor to go with it, like Evil Mode 😉
Buffers are great. Comes very handy when creating macros in vim.
I think you mean registers not buffers. buffers are file(s) loaded in memory while registers contain text yanked/deleted/last command/last search, etc.
Yeah sorry, I meant registers.
Do you yank to places outside the regular target when you create macros?
What do you mean by regular target? I am either yanking from the OS buffer or yanking things from 2 different buffers. Or I have 2 macros where they yank from different buffers.
What’s annoying about them is that there isn’t a simple way to clear a register which means you have to use both “r and “R in macros.
Give CopyQ a try. Open source, cross platform clipboard manager with tons of features.
One example option is being able to only ever paste plain text. It also has lots of programming hooks, I have a few for doing things like converting a line-feed delimited list into one delimited by commas and quoting the values.
I like vim and use it almost every day, but sometimes I miss Strg+D and Alt+F3 from Sublime (multi edit). Block select + c isn't as useful as this.
the vim-visual-multi plugin tries to do this. It takes some time to get the hang of it, but, even if using only the simplest features, it's way better than not having the option.
Works like a charm. Thanks again. Even mouse selection.
Thank you, I will try it.
Seems that I need to remap a few keys like for NerdTree and my tab switch.
Give the Kakoune editor a try for native multi cursor editing. Or better yet, if you are a developer, the Helix editor.
I'm a web developer and transitioned quite seamlessly to the Helix editor from Visual Studio Code without much hassle.
The Helix editor is growing and gaining new functionality all the time.
Nevermind simply having an OS-level clipboard manager...
Win+V works decently enough for me.
Same for plasma, global clipboard is just more convenient
Global clipboard is chef's kiss. Back when I was on Ubuntu/Gnome, I had to install CopyQ but having one come with the OS is great
Global clipboard synced with the smartphone thanks to KDE connect !
I think windows+v syncs to microsoft servers or something. I remember when I was running chris titus tech's debloat script it removed that functionality.
I googled it, there is an option to sync it to your Microsoft account, but I can't say whether that's on by default when you turn on clipboard history because I skipped adding a Microsoft account. But if it is, you can turn it off in Settings -> System -> Clipboard.
Holy crap I think that may be why I never used it. Fuck how much Windows likes to calls home
An excellent option to have when one of the major use cases for clipboards is as an intermediary for password managers.
I hope they eventually get sued into the fucking ground.
Password managers should mark their clipboard data as sensitive and clean it up. Use a proper password manager and there won't be issues.
I'm don't know why but I've never used windows clipboard manager, which is weird because I go out of my way to make sure I have one when I'm on linux
There is for windows, and it's further improved if you get power toys too
I took a look through my power toys settings, but couldn't find anything there that had to do with the win+v clipboard history. Google hasn't been any help either. What is it that I'm overlooking? How does powertoys improve the clipboard history feature?
I'm currently not on my windows pc at the moment but it could be that it's functionality might actually be native to win 11? I don't realise use it myself I just remember seeing it when originally getting powertoys and thinking that was cool
The Clipboard History is indeed a part of Windows 10. But I was wondering how PowerToys enhanced the functionality of it.
I've probably completely misremembered it and maybe learned of it the same time i learned about and installed powertoys. My bad.
Application specific buffers are the first thing I disable on emacs. The OS one isn't just integrated with every other normal piece of software, it's also more powerful and easier to use.
... at least on my Linux, YMMV.
The os buffer is just another buffer that I can yank into.
Windows also has it, but it's disabled by default for some reason
It's not disabled.
Or the KDE System tray...
Ah, that is what I meant with OS-level clipboard manager (in fact, that is precisely what I thought of).
Oh, I gotcha now
Nah that'd be too intuitive
In all seriousness though, I kinda appreciate moving things around in my editor without losing that one snipet I copied for later
ive never had to think about clipboard buffers until i used a modal editor.
now i spend %60 of my time trying to figure out where the copied symbol went.
I don't have the name handy, but there's at least one plugin for vim that shows buffer previews in a popup. I've got it mapped to leader-sb (for "show buffer").
Telescope?
yah, helix has that in the info bar oob.
im just not thinking about that when im copying shit, i just want to copy paste like it's 1999.
So far I haven't been brave enough for that feature. It's either "that main place yank goes", "system clipboard", or "that place that makes it disappear" for me
You can see all registers in use with
:registers, to paste from a register say"2in insert mode use key combination2or in normal mode"2p. You can check out more in:help registers. Unnamed register or""is the system clipboard I think. To copy texts in a register you can prepend yank (/delete/cut, etc.) with that register"_(for black hole register[^black_hole]) This is for neovim. Have keybinds for them and there saved you a plugin :D[^black_hole]: Text yanked in this register is gone, i.e. it's not saved in any register.
Gee, X11! How come your mom lets you have THREE clipboards?
then theyre all ignored by x-clip
xD
Wait is that an actual thing?
Yes. X11 replaced X10's obsolete cut buffers (which can be modified by any process) with state-of-the-art selections. There are three selections in X11: a primary, a secondary, and a clipboard.
In modern desktops, the primary selection is overwritten every time you select some text (including in the terminal), which makes its content very ephemeral. You can paste it with the middle mouse button.
The secondary selection is generally not used, but it's present in the specification, and you can use
xclip -selection secondaryto access it. Wayland doesn't seem to have a secondary selection.The clipboard selection is what most people understand to be THE clipboard. You have to write to it explicitly (through a keyboard shortcut, API, or CLI tool), and its content persists until it is overwritten, explicitly cleared, or the X server is killed. While the primary and secondary can only contain text, the clipboard can contain many kinds of data.
( °O°)
You just opened a whole new world for me, it works in Wayland too
Okay I had no.idea. So on Plasma, I'm guessing when I copy anything, it's writing it both the primary selection, and the clipboard selection and that's how it stays in the clipboard manager thingy?
Not exactly. When you select a text and copy it, the two selections will end up containing the same text, but you can write to either selection without affecing the other by using an API, e.g. a website's "copy to clipboard" button, or
xclip/wl-copy.Clipboard managers with a history feature are an altogether different layer on top of the standard selections. Plasma's clipboard manager only cares about the clipboard selection, and even then, there are exceptions (e.g. copying a password for KeepassXC doesn't save it in the history).
Plasma has a setting to synchronize selection and clipboard or something like that.
I can't tell if ops joke is "intentionally confusing buffers with registers" and everyone is playing along or if people aren't making the distinction between the two in this thread.
Which is ironic and humorous...potentially by accident.
I'm an idiot and I think I confused the two haha
My thought process based on when I setup my config: "yank copies to my main 'buffer', yank copies to system clipboard through that special 'buffer', and delete deletes without replacing what's in my main 'buffer'. I have multiple clipboards!"
Completely forgot they're called registers and that buffers are just "where text is" (at least as far as I understand it)
I kind of assumed that his comment was independent of the meme he posted and served more to underline a perceived power that vim has over other editors. In this case a power OP doesn't even understand/use himself.
Y'all haven't heard of Windows clipboard history? Windows + V will change your life, I tell ya!
Last I checked you have to enable it, which is annoying.
You use it once, it asks if you want to enable, and you click literally one button.
Meanwhile, this was a feature on KDE-land since Klipper, which goes back (as far as I know and if I remember well) to KDE 3 or sooner.
There have been third party clipboard managers forever in windows, which is kind of funny because that is almost more like the unix philosophy than expecting the UI system to handle it all.
Klipper was entirely a different program, process, etc. that was using the system tray. Nowadays it seems to be a plasmoid in the system tray. How can that be less of a UNIX philosophy than the Windows alternative? Because it's developed by the same community that makes the shell? That doesn't make sense to me.
Then it's not really an apt comparison as the two are comparable. I had assumed based on context we were talking about our of the box functionality from KDE, but if it's not, then KDE and Windows had equivalent lack of clipboard history without extra tools installed.
To be fair it may be a security concern if someone is copy pasting passwords
Keeping their admin password in the history so they don't have to alt+tab to their Secret Server webpage? W-who would do such a thing?!
I was going to mention that was a potential issue
Yeah, it floors me that it doesn’t look see a high-entropy 8+ character strings and not keep it.
And I still don't really know how to use registers in vim 😂 I just use yy and paste 🥲
You just do " (listen for next character as register name)
Then, say q,w,e etc, then yy to yank as normal.
So
"wyyTo retrieve it you use
"wpTo add to it
"WyyTo view them :reg
Remember you can make "w anything, like "x or "p
And each time you yank it gets pushed into the default register history "0 "1 "2 etc
I didn't know about registers, thank you for this!
Ok I have to save that 🥲 thanks!
I only know how to use them with q. I hope that's a register, otherwise I will look foolish.
They are. Registers are just "named boxes" where you can store some text and/or keystrokes. When yanking and pasting, the unnamed register is used if you don't specify a name (you can still see or edit it explicitly). For recording a macro there is no default register, though. You need to give it a name.
Same thing but reversed with multiple cursors :/
That's actually the biggest thing I miss about VSCode
https://github.com/mg979/vim-visual-multi
I also missed multiple courses, but I started using vim-visual-multi in my nvim config and it's been great. There's a few others I tried that I couldn't get to work quite right (usually some weird conflict with nvim-cmp) but I've had the best success with vim-visual-multi.
I'm gonma bookmark and try this next time I find the courage to mess around my nvim config. That last none_ls breaking change has made me very hesitant to mess around with things that aren't just colorschemes ngl.
I also tried https://github.com/smoka7/multicursors.nvim and the experience was horrible. Then I tried https://github.com/brenton-leighton/multiple-cursors.nvim and I absolutely love it. It has conflict with cmp, but the README has great tutorial on disabling cmp only when using multiple cursors, and dealing with other plugins to maks them work or disable them in the multicursor mode.
helix has a pretty good mc system in the select mode.
search in selection is such a cool workflow
yah ive been swapping to hx wherever i need to do refactoring, it’s too good to miss out.
space-r ename symbol for easymode.
This feels like something I also do in neovim unless I'm misunderstanding you completely. Is it highlighting text and having yoir search apply just to the highlighted text?
If so, yes it's great whenever you use it
yeah, and helix spawns a cursor at every match
I've been meaning to check helix out for a while now but haven't found the time :(
Same here, but Atom. Maybe I should start using Atom again.
FYI atom project is dead. There is a community form available but it was to buggy for me.
I know it's dead. I still have it, and it still does all I want from an IDE.
huh?
any emacs elitists here?
they have no use for copy buffers, they are still configuring emacs.
No, but I'm happy to talk to you about our lord and savior
nanoGet out
Sorry, is that...
esc... then:thenqand!or did I get the order wrong? Can't I justctrl+octrl+x?Obligatory boo and/or hiss
I've also been meaning to give emacs a try but haven't found the time or energy to figure out how to exit vim
just get QT browser and search it with any search engine
I had to learn emacs for my engineering computation class, up to the point that we were required to present our code in emacs if we had questions to ask during office hours.
I got quite used to it by the end of that course.
I'm just an emacs ... enjoyer (...?) and I just don't understand the post. I'm pretty sure buffers here refer to something different from emacs buffers as they're completely unrelated to clipboards. Then from a quick scan of the plug-in mentioned it seems to mimic the clipboard ring emacs has had for many decades (always?).
Basically I have no idea what's going on here.
We be rocking that kill ring !
What would an operating system need yank registers for? Maybe if you get a good text editor to go with it, like Evil Mode 😉
Buffers are great. Comes very handy when creating macros in vim.
I think you mean registers not buffers. buffers are file(s) loaded in memory while registers contain text yanked/deleted/last command/last search, etc.
Yeah sorry, I meant registers.
Do you yank to places outside the regular target when you create macros?
What do you mean by regular target? I am either yanking from the OS buffer or yanking things from 2 different buffers. Or I have 2 macros where they yank from different buffers.
What’s annoying about them is that there isn’t a simple way to clear a register which means you have to use both “r and “R in macros.
Give CopyQ a try. Open source, cross platform clipboard manager with tons of features.
One example option is being able to only ever paste plain text. It also has lots of programming hooks, I have a few for doing things like converting a line-feed delimited list into one delimited by commas and quoting the values.
I like vim and use it almost every day, but sometimes I miss Strg+D and Alt+F3 from Sublime (multi edit). Block select + c isn't as useful as this.
the vim-visual-multi plugin tries to do this. It takes some time to get the hang of it, but, even if using only the simplest features, it's way better than not having the option.
Works like a charm. Thanks again. Even mouse selection.
Thank you, I will try it.
Seems that I need to remap a few keys like for NerdTree and my tab switch.
Give the Kakoune editor a try for native multi cursor editing. Or better yet, if you are a developer, the Helix editor.
I'm a web developer and transitioned quite seamlessly to the Helix editor from Visual Studio Code without much hassle.
The Helix editor is growing and gaining new functionality all the time.
Are they also replacing X with q! ?