does anyone else feel enslaved?locked
When I was growing up the internet was a place to be liberated from the world say what you want to say, be whoever you want and form genuine communities with shared interests. Now the internet feels like a tool to enslave the mind with identity echo chambers and any deviation leads you to being banned and blocked shunned and silenced within a void that is inescapable. Novel unique websites coded manually by hobbyists running servers for free in the commons allowing people access to the free flow of information under the banner of "information should be free" has largely gone away with corpratisation. I miss the days when the internet was populated largely by nerds aiming to make a better world not this controlled censored hell hole of profiteering.
I agree and now I find myself moving my entire digital life off of big tech platforms and towards free software to escape this madness.
The good old internet still exists and lemmy is living proof. You just need to dig a little because the corporate search engines won't show you. sdf.org for example is a nice little corner of the internet.
As long as the internet remains open, even if it's in our own private corner, then we'll always have a place to go, even if the place changes. If Google's "internet DRM" ever becomes a thing, we're completely fucked.
Same here, I've become extremely disillusioned by how dystopian big tech has become. It's a nice change of pace to use platforms like Lemmy or Mastodon where it's just every day people running instances rather than a place for big tech to collect and profit off your data
"Enslave" is a bit harsh, considering there are about 38-50 million people who are currently slaves https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_21st_century
We're choosing to allow a lot of the things these companies are doing to us; but we could choose to walk away at the cost of some shiny things.
"Choosing" something doesn't always prevent slavery. Wage slavery, for example, is a perfectly reasonable use of the word, though still not as bad as chattel slavery or other forms of slavery. It basically implies the non-existence of meaningful choice. However, you're perfectly correct to say the OP is not enslaved in this case.
Wanted to say something like this, I'm sympathetic to OP's sentiments but I don't like words like "slavery" being used as metaphors.
The complaining of censorship makes me think this is written by some guy just posting some bigoted shit lol. Also it's true a lot of stuff has moved under centralized services, but this is very exaggerated.
Also this is just sounds ridiculous lol.
I thought this was gonna be a post about feeling the burden of wage slavery and debt necessity, which is a real thing. But you're right, it sounds like they're upset because they can't say the n-word on Facebook lol
When you want to feel like a victim while being extremely privileged.
Yup. That bit got me suspicious as hell. Looking at their activity, you are correct.
Your first sentence made me wonder, so I looked at their post history. I can’t say for sure what their stance is. Maybe communist?
Try watching the documentary the great hack
As bad as it is, harvesting user data for an election campaign is not censorship.
Never made that claim
Then why are you replying this to a comment about your complaints on censorship?
Collecting information isn't censorship, banning and blocking someone for a different opinion is censorship.
I'm sympathetic to the argument that the internet is captured by corporate capitalism.
I don't really understand why you think the fediverse censors you though? The source is open, you can literally make your own instance.
Well I type removed and it gets censored, in my country removed refers to a type of food, removed also refers to a cigarette and removed also refers to someone who is annoying. So yes the fediverse censors it's no different than other platforms.
Gets censored by who? If you run your own instance you have control over what gets said.
Everyone has the freedom to decide who to be friends with, what conversations to participate in, and who to let into their house.
Me, I'm on kbin.social, that's Ernest's house. If I don't like it I can go host my own kbin or lemmy somewhere else.
You're on Lemmy.ml, if you don't like the rules there you can make your own lemmy instance.
That's the beauty of the fediverse.
I get what you're talking about, but maybe it's being a decently-educated American with a black mom talking, but "enslaved" is not the right word for this.
Its a bit strange because, before, a few of us were here and getting to know the internet and everything it had to offer.
Nowadays, everyone is on the internet but most of them are confined to the apps they use and what those apps show them.
So it seems people are being silently manipulated without ever knowing there are many more things out there, but even then, the will to explore new things might not suit them, and they prefer to "live in the matrix".
Internet mass manipulation is getting ever more developed and used as a tool to achieve an agenda.
You just described AOL in the 90s.
eeeeeeeeeeeeeeEEEEEEEEEEEEE gna gna gna skssssssssshSKSSSSSSSSSSH
I heard this in my brain.
This, they just described what it was like being on the internet and not being on AOL but seeing them all happy in their You've Got Mail walled garden.
I agree with your premise, but no, I don't feel like the internet is just " echo chambers and any deviation leads you to being banned and blocked shunned and silenced". And anytime I see someone complain about being systematically censored or banned, you've gotta look at what they're posting.
https://lemmy.ml/comment/1697612
https://lemmy.ml/comment/1692669
https://lemmy.ml/comment/1693235
https://lemmy.ml/comment/1696649
https://lemmy.ml/comment/1693539
https://lemmy.ml/comment/1677203
https://lemmy.ml/comment/1676143
https://lemmy.ml/comment/1696276
Just a quick 5 minutes of scrolling. So maybe people dislike what you're saying because what you're saying is anti-LGBT, anti-rights, pro-forced birth, conservative, tankie apologia? Also a fan of Andrew Tate so pro-rape, pro-human trafficking. I mean your record is speaking for itself.
Thanks for doing the digging on the very same suspicion I had. It's kind of amazing how reliable a tell this tone is.
State's rights to do what?
I fucking knew it was gonna be goobus
@greyscale it was too good not to share.
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It's always the people you most expect.
How does highlighting the positive aspect of someone's message equate to being pro-rape? I don't think anyone can possibly be pro-rape...
No it's not, why should positions be bannable? What if you got banned for simply having an opinion?
I'd need to know what communities/subreddits it was. But many subreddits restrict types of posting that may be seen as hate speech or against the community's limited scope. Posting pro-tankie stuff to socialist communities, anti-abortion stuff to women's communities, anti-lgbt stuff in general, etc, could get you banned. Most of that is probably fine in more general subs but I can't imagine the pro-Andrew Tate stuff would fly in XX, for instance.
I said in r/atheist that I disagreed with abortion and that got me a permanent ban. Just for that opinion alone, I triedexplainning to the mod but they went on a tirade that I hated women against women's rights etc etc which is completely untrue, I just disagree with abortion.
If you're anti-abortion, you're anti-woman. You can't say you care about women if you deny our right to healthcare. Sorry, but you suck.
That is flawed logic, I want to develop the economy so people can afford to have a family and women don't feel the need to abort their child because they can't afford to have or raise a child. It would be preferable if people took personal responsibility and not have sex if they can't afford children and not delve into hendonism having sex to have fun. I think it's wrong for men to be pro-abortion just to exploit women into having sex without consequences for yourself.
The fact that you think that's the only reason (or even just the main reason) people get abortions shows how you, like most anti-abortionists, haven't bothered to look at the facts and have your head so far stuck in the sand that its not even worth talking to you.
There are other reasons but it's largely to do with being in a capitalist system with the cost of living causing hardship straining the ability to afford a home let alone raise a family.
So are things like non-viable pregnancies due to the inability to afford a home? How about rape? How about a minor kicked out because their parents don't approve, is their inexperience, immaturity, and lack of support just because they can't afford a house? What if it's a viable pregnancy, but the baby will be brain dead and require constant care; is cost of living the only burden the parents have to be concerned about? What if there's only a chance it's non-viable, but delaying the abortion puts the mother at risk; at what percent chance is a person allowed to terminate the pregnancy and not put their body at risk? 50% chance of living? 10%? Less than 1%?
These aren't exceptions, these are the types of reasons people get abortions. Let me say it again with emphasis: These aren't exceptions, these are the types of reasons people get abortions. It is so God damn ignorant to think the main reason people get abortions is because they're poor and can't afford to have kids. And to plow ahead and support anti-abortion legislation isn't just ignorant, it's dangerously idiotic.
As we are already seeing in states that have banned abortion, even ones that have some half assed medical exemption, doctors just won't perform them. Or they'll wait to perform them until it's much more risky; like when the patient is literally bleeding out. What doctor is going to risk getting constantly sued (and let's just set aside how fucking asinine it is to allow lawsuits from third-parties in no way affected) because some jackass isn't convinced it was REALLY medically necessary?
Here's an idea, how about we leave the decision of abortion up to doctors and their patient's? That way, we don't have to try and legislate around all the very legitimate reasons people get abortions. Do you think it's immoral? Great, no one's forcing you to get one and others having them has literally zero impact on your life.
Those are issues yes, however from the information I've looked at the majority of abortions are because of affordability. First off you can't get pregnant just because of getting kicked out of a house, however housing should be allocated for that scenario. You're assuming I would pass laws to ban it, your not seeking out what I intend, the point is to develop the economy and provide for people in abundance so women no longer feel the need to get an abortion because they can't afford to raise a family.
So you don't want to ban it, but rather change the circumstances in society and individual people's lives so they don't want to get them in the first place? Congratulations! You're pro-choice.
The fact you view politics as a zero sum sports game is the problem in pro or anti, us vs them. You're mistaken I'm against the practice I just go about it a different way.
What opinion?
See the reply below, not explaining again
So, bigoted opinions? Yeah those should be banned.
If we're talking about whether or not you like pineapples on pizza, no one gives a damn which way you lean.
If we're talking about human rights, there's a very clear wrong answer. If your 'opinion' falls on the Nazi side of that aisle, this might be your cue to ask yourself "are we the baddies?"
Instead of playing whack-a-mole how about seeing what inflames that ideology in their environment and fix that, at least if they're vocal you can identify them and see where it comes from and fix that instead of forcing them underground and hiding it. No, no opinion should be banned, at least with bigoted opinions there an identifier that there is something wrong in the urban planning in which they live that needs to be fix, your solution is to ban and ignore the problems.
The larger point with pineapple was that where do you draw the line, in the future pineapple might be considered bigoted, just like the saying "stick a n##### on a rape charge" in considered bigoted despite it being normal before my time. In my day disagreeing with someone wasn't considered trolling or hate speech. What is considered hate speech etc is largely down to perspective, being a nerd was considered a bad thing until we appropriated it and turned it into a compliment, would it not be better to turn offense to a compliment and just stop being so damn butthurt?
You're conflating disagreeing with behaving like a Nazi. I don't give a fuck what was acceptable back in your day. Today we draw the line at human rights If you get butthurt at being ridiculed for lamenting at the opposition you face when you try to marginalize other groups, then keep that shit to yourself. Or better yet, make an effort to actually get to know some people from the groups you're directing hatred at - might find you actually start caring about them, and suddenly their rights will mean more to you than the pushback you get for posting slurs online
All I'm saying is why can't you just be a better person and be respectful without being told to or by an authority or the big other, if you need to be told or ordered to be a better person, then your not really a good person are you?
Typing removed should not be an offence, buying a bag of faggots from a van should not be a crime and smoking a removed should not be punishable by law. I would like the UK not to be an Orwellian woke hell hole.
At the risk of sounding like exactly what you decry, I'm going to pick on your choice of language, hopefully it will seem like it's for good enough reason. I largely sense a similar, regretful shift in the way the internet is experienced and have some mixed feelings about it, but I would be very cautious in using a term like 'enslaved'. When you choose to fire up your own high-tech information device to access the publicly available internet and you don't find the experience exhilarating or thrilling, or fulfilling, in comparison to some relatively rose-tinted view of the same experience had during your childhood can you honestly say that that is similar to enslavement?
However, semantics aside, yeh it's kind of a shame some of the quirky rough around the edges character of the internet has changed a bit since it became more mainstream and since corporate participation has refined and figured out how to extract much more efficiently from it. That said, as is often said when this sentiment is expressed, the old style of web is still there, you just don't see it. Nothing stops people from hand coding a website if they want to, but it's unlikely to be the top of any given search result from Google, and we all use Google. Similarly, unlike decades past, there is just so much stuff on the web that these types of things will likely not be noticed. There's kind of a paradoxical relationship with how much more in general is available online with how much less varied our consumption of it is. Pretty much every web experience through a browser is going to start with www.google.com, either through the page itself or a default search bar and after that for many it's going to be facebook, or reddit or amazon. Out of billions of pages, it tends to come down to about 4 for most and then a smattering of other larger media presences accessed via the portal of one of those 4. It can seem like there's nothing else there in such a case and though not really true, it kind of in practice is true because you'll much less likely find someone's home made hobbyist website through major portals than you might have when by virtue of little else being available, that's what a search engine returned or word-of-mouth recommended.
How bad a thing this is, is nuanced. The web is vastly more useful than it ever was, although the forces at work that made it so seem to be engaging in cannabilising themselves and one another and crippling their own utility in the never ending quest for more profit. I miss some of the feel of the earlier web, although when I was coming of age and using it heavily in the early 2000s, it was very well established already so I don't have quite the same basis of comparison as someone who might have used it throughout the 80s or 90s. I think I have detected something of a shift away from the 'edgy' persona adopted by most on forums, but then it's hard to separate my usage and interests at the time from the general web itself. I think, for one thing, there still remained even in the early 2000s, a nicheness and 'geek' culture to those who spent time on forums that tended to skew the demographic towards teenage boys although I have no evidence for this, this has gone unless you seek it out. I personally haven't really had too much of a problem with shunning and banning, in fact that type of thing tended to happen more in my earliest web experiences where there seemed to be more places that had issues with swearing, however I have seen a similar puritanical streak that results in this. However I've only really perceived that on major platforms as they've reached their stage of the life cycle where they can cash-in and must become investor and advertiser friendly. That arc, a more recent arc in my opinion does match what you're saying but I view that more of a change in how those specific platforms rather than the web itself operate. So it's harder now than maybe 5-10 years ago to speak your mind with little to no consequence or backlash on a major platform whose reach and influence amplifies that opinion to millions and millions of people. I think you have about the same capacity to speak your mind now as you ever did on the web, but lost the ability to use corporate machinery to do it and not also expect human beings to react to it and to even be silenced when doing so flies against the interests of the owners of the corporate machinery.
Maybe just stop posting racist homophobic shit?
And where is that?
For me it kind of feels this way, because there's only a handful of sites I visit regularly, and if one of those sites is unavailable, it feels like I don't know what to do. In a sense, I am trapped in this new browsing habit that has made me get used to constant short form content that is exciting, and a lack of it is now crippling. At least replacing reddit with lemmy has helped me recover a little bit, because I find that I'm unable to stay on lemmy for hours at a time like I was on reddit.
The relative lack of content is an actual benefit to me too. When I doomscroll too long, it stops being rewarding and I now find something IRL to do. A much healthier mindset to occupy.
You should try lemmy, it's almost everything what you describe you are missing. Jokes aside, I think that what you refer is mainstream internet, which like music is usually shitty if it's mainstream, to find the good stuff you have to take your time to dig deeper. Internet is an incredible tool and it's being used both to enslave and to free people.
Funny, yeah years ago it was easier to find interesting unique content. To quote slavoj zizek "when you think you escape it into your dreams, that is when you are within ideology".
The BBS and early Internet days were dominated by people who read non-fiction books. RTFM was a common saying in those days.
“Everything in our background has prepared us to know and resist a prison when the gates begin to close around us . . . But what if there are no cries of anguish to be heard? Who is prepared to take arms against a sea of amusements? To whom do we complain, and when, and in what tone of voice, when serious discourse dissolves into giggles? What is the antidote to a culture’s being drained by laughter?”
Neil Postman
Amusing Ourselves to Death
Yeah, buddy.... Tik Tok wrapped in a bow.
Holy shit, go outside homie
Take thy upvote with grace
I get what you mean, but I also feel like the fediverse has given many of us a return to some of the freedoms and feelings of the early internet.
I'm writing this from an instance I admin, an instance that exists, specifically to make a better world for queer and gender diverse folk. We prioritise minority safety over "federate with everyone", but that freedom to exist without institutionalised transphobia being ignored like it is on most social media platforms, with the ability for us to exist and communicate without being dogpiled by haters, and to actively remove the bigots, that is a freedom I haven't felt in a long time!
Well, I've had a look at the way you argue - maybe you should, too. It's not even about specific views or opinions, although full disclosure, I disagree strongly with quite a lot of it. The way you discuss things looks extremely insincere.
Course it's about specific views and opinions if I discoursed the opposite it would all be given a complete pass like how I was up to 3 years ago and prior. I changed my approach and how I look at things and all a sudden I get all this abuse and harassment for just having an opinion.
So when I talk about your style of discussion seeming insincere, this... is exactly it.
Why does style matter, you don't like my style so you can say I'm wrong? Or exploiting the fact I communicate differently? Or are you coming up with excuses to defend your ideology?
It sounds like your actual problem is that you hate the freedom other people have to disagree with you and critique you, and you would prefer to enslave everyone else into conforming to your ideology.
No stop assuming and jumping to conclusions
You're really telling me that on your own post full of assumptions and jumping to conclusions?
You need to take some of your own medicine because hypocrite doesn't look good on you.
I try my best but I'm just highlighting the problems
Can you seriously not see how your "opinion" hurts people? My opinion is that dicks are icky and no one should be allowed to have one. Me and millions of other like-minded individuals are going to vote this into law. Lots of people are going to bleed out and die from their dick removal. Let's talk about how awesome my hero is, they cut thousands of dicks off and encouraged other people to do the same! That makes you feel good, right? No? Why are you so mad? It's just my opinion!
So let's do away with democratic principles of discourse because a tiny few doesn't like a opinion?, how is society meant to advance without discourse or communicate? Are you suggesting everyone should live in fear of reprisals because a group threatens violence? It is wrong, I don't like a lot of other peoples opinions and you know what I do? I move on, why would the opinion of pineapple belonging on pizza bother me, I would not be offended by an opinion that much that it requires banning and harassment. Just move the hell on.
Dude, what?
Well if you can't discuss things how is society meant to move forward?
You know slave holders also had that same opinion to have control over their slaves.
Um.
You are aware that slave holders used to chop the men's penis off to stop them reproducing to control their numbers right?
"My right to spout my ideologically inconsistent dog shit opinions is clearly more important than the rights of women to decide what to do with their own bodies. This is the worst kind of discrimination; the discrimination against ME. It's literally slavery. Woke women with blue hair challenged me on my idiotic opinions and I felt like they were being mean to me. You can't disagree with me though, because I'm a Marxist-Leninist and I throw out buzz words like planned economies. Believe me bro, trust me bro."
You lot are really creepy with your judgements, generalisations, assumptions, stalking and harassment. Maybe if you took the time to understand that communism is stateless their would be no need to implement rights because there would be no government as we think of it today.
It's supposed to be a stateless condition but the Marxist-Leninism intermediate is just giving most power to a small vanguard that could turn corrupt really quickly.
Look up marxist leninist-castroism which believes the role of the vanguard party is to provide resources and education to the people in order for them to lead themselves if thats your problem with vanguard parties and you otherwise believe in communism.
So you believe that there should be no rights for other people, but YOUR right to free speech should never be limited. Gotcha. Either you’re a complete imbecile, or a troll. Probably both.
Communism would be the resolution of contradictions that cause conflicts therefore no need to pass rights because no state which means no one to enforce such measures, a law in communism would be fictitious as it would just be a writing on paper.
Balance out that Marx and Lenin with some Bakunin and Godwin.
You can still make websites, fam. And you can go to websites other people have made. Nothing ever changed there. You just left it behind and went onto social media.
Also if you're banned from a place, you're not in a "void that is inescapable," you're just not in that place anymore. You can go to other places. If you think not being on a particular piece of social media is a "void that is inescapable," you've decided that everything outside that social media system is a "void," and that's on you.
This conversation has gotten out of hand. There are too many comments that are making it personal rather than focusing on the discussion. Locking it now.
I'm adding diamond strength to your lock. :)
Nice hyperbole. No, I don't feel enslaved. Give me a fucking break. Enslaved, really? Be the fucking change you want to see, if you are feeling "enslaved."
The issue with the corporate internet is that running large websites cost money. The larger the community, the more costs it takes to run. The balance between moderation and a free-for-all is delicate. Fully open allows too much spam and trolling to still remain useful, too much and people start writing in code to bypass censors. You want to go back to seedy chatrooms with a couple dozen regulars, I'm sure you can still find a few places to scratch that itch.
Federation is a great concept, and we'll see where it goes, but social media splintering from a Twitter/Meta/Reddit stranglehold to a more splintered collection of sites has both advantages and disadvantages. On one hand, when everyone is in one place, you get a lot of idiots. On the other, you have to go to multiple places to find everyone/everything you're looking for. Seems a lot of people like the ease of one-stop-shopping, so that's how we got here.
Cory Doctorow may have you covered; he just posted recently about his next book, which sounds like it deals with what you're talking about, and tries to find ways to fix it: https://mamot.fr/@pluralistic/110809535924735163
Thanks for this! Love his writing. Just pledged for the audiobook on Kickstarter.
I mean the problem is capitalism, not people's identities. Everything is run to extract profit, rather than out of genuine interest.
Identity a product of the individual in liberalism the prevailing ideology of capitalism, sure let's ignore people's selfservicing interest and greed....
I'm not even sure what you could mean by this. People have identities. People gathering and forming community based on those identities isn't because of greed. And they exist even in collective cultures.
Well I'm sick of the atomised individualistic society.
Yes. So am I sick of our atomised society. But for goodness sake try to identify why that occurs.
The problem is capitalism. Because we are all fooled into competing with each other over scraps, rather than banding together into communities that are better able to provide support within themselves.
The fault isn't that people explore their identities and find community that way.
Yeah capitalism with the prevailing ideology of liberalism with peoples identity of the ego leading to individualised atomised society.
You genuinely sound like a bot generating word-salad.
Well I'm unwell and doing my best, never tell the NHS mental health that you are moving towards a more conservative position within the left wing sphere.
Personally the diversity of all things good is part of why they are nice; I consider myself a socialist, but that doesn't mean everybody has to be the same. But even if we ignore that how would you iron everybody out into the same thing?
It's not diversity when segregating into smaller identity echo chambers and classifying people based on their sex, race and ethnicity etc. I prefer society that over looks these petty things for a broad multicultural unity amongst the masses not strasserite fascism.
Things without extremes exist. dividing into smaller groups based on what you believe is basically diversity, and I don't see that you have made the case that these groups are echo chambers. Plus a lot of people believe your argumentative style is very disruptive and ban you for that; I can see why: you always use very extreme, loaded words to label things
Well I'm not in favour of returning to segregation of the Jim crow era, putting people into groups where they only see and hear information that confirms their confirmation bias is an echo chamber. And I'm not going to stop doing what I think is right because a group doesn't like my style, being disruptive is literally the whole point of political agitation, what do you expect me to do? Pipe down, use a style and language that is pre-approved dictated that allows for no challenge to the status quo under the excuse of sensitivity so no changes are made, maybe try changing the economic base instead of forcibly changing the individual otherwise all your doing is playing whack-a-mole.
I miss it too, and even more now that I got reminded how awesome it can be to talk like this without a big american corp in the middle.
I feel like big tech has killed the fun very much. Before you had individuals building web sites, and you felt happy to see new creative sites. People didn't create them for money but to show off their skills and create fun and useful sites.
Now the web is turning into cable TV as the corps have completely destroyed it with ads. I think we need web sites and services where ads are banned and where people create things for fun.
The fediverse can help with this since many small servers allow people to share the load and the cost.
Yeah, I went on funnyjunk the other day after reminding myself and it was dry and humourless back in the day it was a barrel of laughs.
Here's 3 interrelated things that happened, I guess:
Essentially, a few companies have found a good way to make money on the Internet: gather your personal information, and use it to put advertisements in front of your eyeballs. Part of that is figuring out every little preference, trigger, and micro-identity you have so you can be fed increasingly targeted ads, and be cajoled into engaging more and more with these advertising platforms.
Are you a liberal recently single White gay man who owns a condo in a gentrified urban neighborhood in a major US city in the Pasific Northwest, who is between 25-35 and who cares deeply about social justice? Here's some suggested products specifically tailored to you, along with some communities you can join that our algorithm has found keeps people with similar characteristics on the platform for longer periods of time. Is that increased engagement due to the discovery of a warm and welcoming community or an unending flow of rage bait? Doesn't matter! If you become increasingly attached to your community, we'll sell you things that appeal to you along those lines. If you become increasingly despondent and enraged, will sell you a solution for that too.
Nobody really indexes those types of sites anymore. I suppose a lot of those site operators are more than happy to remain separate from the big tech net.
I'm interacting with more people in a day than most people have in historical lifetimes.
I have more bosses to track their preferences. It feels like there's more people checking my career. They have more people to try to balance autonomy with direction.
There's more politicians talking past their constituency than ever before.
It just seems like the goal to reduce the suffering around me will always be a drop in the ocean.
Yeah it's overwhelming, I think we should just turn the internet off for a month nation wide.
Echo chambers are what happens often when you trust personalized algorithms. You pick specifically the things you agrree with, and then later you don't get exposed to things beyond your own worldview and interests. And recently, algorithms have been proliferating all over the internet and there's a lot of discouragement from using smaller services - a lot of it has to do with how the variety of content on the bigger social media networks is not yet replicated on smaller sites. The fact that smaller sites have now become usable thanks to Reddit and Twitter going down the drain makes me feel like on one hand I feel more free now because I can explore all sorts of sites and more people will be there, but on the other hand I am intimidated by the sheer amount of alternatives and my mind can't manage with all of them at once, so I minimize my general social media usage. The fediverse is, in a way, consisting of "novel unique websites coded manually by hobbyists running servers for free".
you're right that the problem is centered on identity, and the need social media platforms have to sort of get everyone categorized.. and fighting based on their categories.. it's what the advertisement thrives on..
Believe what your referring to is the term engagement.
it's a cheap, easy form of it
So you can draw the notion that identity politics serves capitalism. Which is the point I'm making.
i understand your point
Take my upvote been a while since someone understood
haha i hear you.. one of the effects of what you're talking about.. on all of us..
Exactly apparently I hate women because communism is stateless... It's ridiculous
it's the assumption that dialogue can be won, or it is desirable to win at combat with words, that kind of thing.. they work hard to make the whole thing SEEM like an arena.. that way we come to it with a combative attitude, assuming we won't be understood.,
I can agree with that, if you examine it all it is are people's ego responding to pixels on a device which they own, they expect a self reflection of their own ego hence when online discourse is terrible because we are all bombarded with information with people seeing different information and not understanding where that conclusion came from. It's no surprise that the rate of narcissism has climbed with the rise of the internet as well as increasing polarisation, people aren't self reflecting on why they react the way they do. I know this because over the years I self examined on why I react to what I was exposed to.
we don't give ourselves time to reflect, yeah.. everybody is mentally exhausted from it. constantly listening to someone talk directly into their ears.. doesn't matter what.. you're not allowing your mind to rest and reflect like it needs to.. so everyone is sort of stuck on broadcast at the moment.. immediately announcing their profile characteristics when you meet them.. making sure you know their boundaries..
These days you get accused of trolling for having a discussion, your positions and solutions are assumed to generalised pre-perscribed ideological positions, you are given death threats, harassed and given abuse for deviating from the norm. Honestly the internet could do with being turned off for a month.
Couple that with 24/7 connection to the internet and smart phones etc. It's a recipe for disaster. Back in the dial up days these were not issues you logged on updated yourself with the latest forum etc and you turned it off. There were serious forums and what can be called these days as shit post forums. The discourse was much more civil and friendlier than today's standard. Everyone was anonymous and you was considered stupid for putting your personal information on the internet.
Couple that with 24/7 connection to the internet and smart phones etc. It's a recipe for disaster. Back in the dial up days these were not issues you logged on updated yourself with the latest forum etc and you turned it off. There were serious forums and what can be called these days as shit post forums. The discourse was much more civil and friendlier than today's standard. Everyone was anonymous and you was considered stupid for putting your personal information on the internet. Nowadays you get accused of trolling for having a different opinion, you get cancelled for wrong think and your life destroyed for not stepping in lock step, this kind of stuff was unthinkable in those days as it sounds straight from a nightmare dystopian novel depicting an extreme 1984 fascist society. The ethos around the internet was seen as a decentralised utopian world to free ourselves from the complex reality of our world, then the Normie's came online.
This guy is why I think karma was a useful metric. I looked at his profile on voyager, saw a negative number and had a pretty good grasp on what he was all about.
So much of the internet is only functional because of the unpaid labor of volunteers
And they claim socialism/communism doesn't work...
It doesn't because everyone has to be this way. Not only a few. Else they'll just get taken advantage of.
Only to the sweet siren's call of Casamigos Brand Tequila!
100% at least by marketing and politics.
Have you tried to post something that was censored? I haven't run into that, though I've heard a lot of people complaining that they've been censored. The worst I've gotten is downvoted, which is not the same as being censored.
I have seen a couple of comments removed by mods that I thought were perfectly fine, so there's that. 🤷♂️ I just hope it doesn't become a regular thing.
Have a look at the mod log for MaliciousCompliance on Lemmy.world if you want to see censorship and extreme mod abuse.
https://aussie.zone/modlog/917
If you dare say "biological sex exists and is different to gender" - a pretty factual statement that not even trans people would deny - you'll have your comment deleted and be banned.
Have to hope those same power tripping mods aren't also mods in many other subs, but unfortunately the most active one doing all the censoring and banning is.
I feel enslaved pretty much all the time. Whether you're watching TV, listening to the radio, surfing the web, or simply existing somewhere that other people exist, like going to work, there's so much hidden oppression that goes unnoticed.
Sure, the internet is a haven of free speech, but free speech isn't free, and I don't mean in the way that people have fought and died for it, though they absolutely have. Freedom of speech isn't freedom from consequences. So if you go on the internet, and talk about doing the illegal, and the police come and arrest you for plotting to do the illegal (eg, murder, or any number of traitorous acts), you had the freedom to say those things, but not the freedom from being held accountable for saying them.
On top of that, you're constantly bombarded with information, especially on the internet about what products to buy to "improve" your life. Buy buy buy. Be a good consumer of goods and services. Don't learn to do things yourself, you'll get hurt or die, just.... Pay someone else to do it, so they can do it "right". Anything from plumbing to automotive repair, to cleaning your own house, just pay someone. The electronification of everything adds DRM to most everything so now you need to spend thousands of dollars on training and tools just to fix your own damn tractor, and companies like John Deere want us to believe it's for the best to do it this way, so only certified experts do the work so it's done correctly. But who said it needs to be done how they want it done, or that their way is better?
At work, if you start speaking your mind, you'll find yourself in front of HR very quickly. You have to restrict your impulses, movements and speech to only what your co-workers will allow for, and what management wants you to be able to do, you'll get paid what they want to pay you, and be happy about it, or you'll find yourself destitute.
Yeah, we're "free" to select from a hundred horrible options of how we want to be oppressed, and slave away until we die, bombarded with "experts" who charge a small fortune just to see if that pain you have is indigestion, or pancreatitis, which will kill you in a matter of hours, or not.
We're free to live how others are willing to accept that we can. Buying our way to a mediocre existence, filled with existential dread, suffering, and little more than robbery, but because we have the illusion of choice we think that's freedom.
Everything is a system of control. Whether you buy a house, get a job, or simply look at the TV, or the world around you, you're bombarded with information on what you should do, what you should say, how you should dress, what to think, where to go, and exactly how to enslave yourself to a system you didn't create, that wasn't made for you to succeed in, that will never stop holding you down, and takes everything from you. That includes, and is not limited to, drivers licensing, billboards, advertisements, employment, bank accounts, religion, consumerism, malls, shops, the news/media, the music you listen to, and yes, especially the internet.
If you can't see that this is the case, you're probably too blind to realize it. You're being dazzled by the flowery language and rhetoric of the situation, thinking you know things, when all you know is what they want you to know. Companies are the root of the problem, deeply engrained in the capitalist dream and consumerist culture.
But hey, the weather is kinda nice today, so let's enjoy that while we can and not think about the hell that is a life in today's society.
For sure, I'm slowly quitting the www and moving more towards gemini instead.
I like the idea, but Gemini lacks the accessibility & performance HTTP brings & the spec has issue too. I’d rather see like a new compliance suite for the non-shitty web because the last year’s tech is/was good, but some of the reigns should be pulled in—especially the web appification of web pages that have no business being anything other than just a static page.
@Foresight@lemmy.ml Not at all young man
"enslave"
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are you serious with thos wording? and if everyone agrees with your opinions would you have still made this topic?
They said elsewhere they are tired of being called out because they hate the LGBTQ flags. It's a troll looking to claim to be a victim.
I still would of posted regardless
You know the more intimidation you try to shut down discourse the more I want to throw it in your face.
This so much. Go against the narrative and you're banned even for breaking no rules. Reddit is in the endgame of this at the moment. The admins and their power mods decide on the narrative and if you don't play along and circle jerk you get banned, often from subs you have never even been to.
Unfortunately in my short time here I'm seeing much the same, though at least the bannings aren't at the same extent yet. Give it time though.
Yup exactly the word removed is censored, I could really do with a pack of fags and smoking a removed