I will confess that a month ago I said replacing Biden with Kamala would be a mistake. I was so wrong. She is absolutely killing it. She is bringing exactly the right energy and tone this campaign needs to take on Trump. She is not taking any of his shit but doing it with so much class it really does highlight how disgusting Trump and his goons are.
I was in the same boat. Basically the second they announced it a wave of relief washed over me and I realized this is what we need
Edit: I wasn't expecting so much interaction. I'm glad that she is gaining everybody's support, and giving us a bit of electricity needed to get through this final push towards election time!
I'm honestly not a big fan of her and would have preferred to see someone more progressive get the nomination, but I honestly had the same feeling as you now that we actually have a chance at defeating Trump.
If you want progressive candidates you gotta do community organization and outreach. Personally I'd much rather do praxis under Harris than Trump.
Have to get those progressives to run in the Dem primaries and show up to vote for them.
Doesn't matter when the DNC leadership puts their thumbs on the scale to prevent them from gaining any traction by doing things like excluding them from debates, giving funding to one candidate over another, or feeding stories favorable to their candidate to the media.
What we need is ranked choice voting so that we can kick both the DNC and RNC to the curb and form parties that aren't run by protectionist, out of touch millionaires/billionaires.
Can't get ranked choice with the current parties and third parties aren't creeping up in the polls to displace them. It's why Bernie ran in the Democratic primary. And we have more elected progressive Democrats now than we did because of it. It's a long game and it needs to grow from the bottom up to get electoral reform.
I was pretty distraught after the announcement, but within a few hours as the wave of support built, I came out of the hole and started feeling positive. So glad that the support fell behind so quickly.
It's almost like when you do what the electorate is asking, you earn their support! I sure hope the Dems finally learn that this time
I also have felt unburdened by what has been, as if a spell was cast on me. I had no doubt though that replacing Joe Biden with literally anyone, including his son or dog, would increase democrats chance of winning. I think in my case it was more of letting go of pent up anger towards the rotting carcass of the current president and all those who campaigned for his reelection. Including the lovely folk of lemmy, for whom I still might hold some animosity. To those that rode hard for Biden, a sincere fuck you.
Thank God Dems got their act together. Thank God Biden stepped aside. This is a much better timeline now.
Biden was still the right choice if the Dems were never going to run someone else. Full stop. Trump literally just told Christian voters they'll never have to vote again if they vote for him this time.
But I never "rode hard for Biden" in the sense that I felt he should've been the choice for the Dems. My argument has always been whoever the Dems pick is necessary to save the democratic process in this country (among many other things).
I am relieved the conversation has broken free from simply voting against Trump to having a choice people might actually like. Proof is going to be in the pudding, but I'm cautiously optimistic.
Oh, me too. And boy oh boy was I wrong!
Right there with ya
I wasn't sure she was the answer, but the debate was so appalling, I felt something had to change. I find her far more compelling than I thought I would.
"I'm Kamala Harris, and I approve this message."
That sits right next to "i don't need a ride, i need ammo" on my badass quotes shelf.
Harris was a prosecutor, and a successfully I hear, there was never any chance Trump would risk debating her on live TV. He maybe able to fire hose lies against Biden, but Harris would rip him apart, and the best part is, he knows it. He has nothing to gain from debating her, so he will come up with excuse after excuse to avoid it.
Harris ran for president in 2019 but did terribly in the first dem primary debate and dropped out early, fwiw. We'll see what happens vs Trump.
Trump is easier to debate for democrats who don’t care as much about decorum as Biden. A primary debate requires much more delicacy, because you can’t all out attack the others without potentially prejudicing voters against your party’s eventual nominee, should you lose.
Biden did well in the latter scenario, because he’s very good at politicking. I think Harris would do better in the former because of her greater willingness to openly mock trump. Hopefully we get to see.
Did she do terribly during the debate? I remember watching and thinking she seemed smart and articulate, but didn't have the name recognition and backing to get very far in the primaries.
She was a party favorite but Tulsi Gabbard called her out on her prosecutorial record and that ended her, I believe.
Trump can't run to her left like most of the 2020 Democratic field did.
Good for her. He deserves to be taunted, endlessly, about a LOT of things. Other things he’s done deserve much worse than a mere taunt.
I think the meme-ing and taunting are going to cause him significant damage - both his campaign, and his personal self. And I will enjoy watching him decay.
She should do what Clint Eastwood did at the RNC in 2012 ... debate an empty chair.
She should debate a puppet sitting on a chair, and express her disappointment that Putin couldn't be there to reach up its ass and work its mouth.
Reminds me of when the BBC show Have I Got News For You replaced Roy Hattersley with a tub of lard after he failed to show up. Good times.
She should start by saying how her opponent missed the debate because he was golfing, which is what he'll do again if he's elected, golf all the time!
Golfing was/would be the best possible use of his time in office. Concentrating on fabricating his score would distract him from worse evils.
Dementia Don the racist rapist with 34 felonies that can't complete a coherent sentence is just scared. He's too old and needs to drop out. He knows that she will absolutely eviscerate him in a debate.
Or rape.
Trump is the kid that throws the controller when he realizes that the final boss has two health bars.
Can he even reach the bumpers on a controller?
Savage!
Omfg this visual was gold in my mind.
This is ridiculous. I can't believe there is a phase 2!
and new boss form gets stronger
I like presidential candidates that aren't cowards.
Run hard on calling him a chickenshit loser and demand a pre and post drug test for the debate.
Hahaha what a puss
He's the Republican's giant pussy, afraid she gonna grab him
I know I'm reaching but it would be wonderful if they took this as an opportunity to turn the event into a town hall for Harris. Don't participate, lose your stage.
Have a bag of Cheetos as a placeholder on the other podium
And make sure to add a diaper on the bottom and a little bandage up top.
If we want to bring it - let’s bring it
Thank you Democratic campaign, and media for finally starting to call out the Trump campaign when they make 2 conflicting statements in the same month. Trump's popularity comes from people selectively hearing what they want to hear.
Why do they quote the piece of shit Trump with his stupid framing? Crooked this, sleepy that … stop that!
Good. Call him a coward. Making him feel small is the only way to get him out.
She describes Trump's penis as "smaller than average" but "not freakishly small."
"It may have been the least impressive sex I'd ever had, but clearly, he didn't share that opinion."
Certainly sounds like low penetrating power to me.
Anyway, now that I’ve researched a geriatric fascist’s small dick and low sexual energy in detail, I think I’m done with the internet today and gonna go touch some grass. Later y’all!
Also, during the trial, she heavily implied, but did not outright say, that she did not consent.
Yeah I recall hearing about an armed guard standing outside the room and him getting naked, on par with his low quality mobster bullshit.
I mean.... They're not wrong. Why the hell would he go get curb stomped now instead of waiting until she's technically gotten the nomination?
It'd be fun to watch the beatdown, but I doubt it'll ever happen.
Orange pussy bitch.
Don't forget convicted rapist and 34x felon, so far. Fuckin orange shit gibbon
The Trump camp released that statement saying "there is a strong sense by many in the Democrat Party - namely Barack Hussein Obama - that Kamala Harris is a Marxist fraud who cannot beat President Trump, and they are still holding out for someone better" on Thursday the 25th, the same day the Obamas enthusiastically endorsed Harris.
He's going for the Parker Brothers defense, if you can't win the debate become a petulant child and flip the board over.
spraypaint a manican orange and have it play a recording of his battery shark rant.
Mannequin or manikin, you have a choice. A mannequin is usually used for selling clothes, a manikin is usually used to practice CPR or other medical procedures.
Wise move from Trump tbh. Kamala would eat him alive in a debate.
Well I'm glad folks are doing it on here...so much information is behind a paywall and there are times when it feels like the links are put up by the actual organization to try and drive up new subs
general election debate details cannot be finalized until Democrats formally decide on their nominee
Presidential debates happen between presidential candidates. Democrats don't have a presidential candidate yet. But they will by the end of the DNC on August 22nd.
So why did we have the other debate then?
Biden was even more than the presidential candidate, he is the sitting president. A presidential debate between a president and a presidential candidate makes perfect sense, no?
The RNC hadn’t happened yet.
Yeah lol spinning this as "backing out" seems like a stretch. But if the headline was like "Trump campaign prefers to wait for formal nominations before planning debate," then it would not drive much engagement.
I will confess that a month ago I said replacing Biden with Kamala would be a mistake. I was so wrong. She is absolutely killing it. She is bringing exactly the right energy and tone this campaign needs to take on Trump. She is not taking any of his shit but doing it with so much class it really does highlight how disgusting Trump and his goons are.
I was in the same boat. Basically the second they announced it a wave of relief washed over me and I realized this is what we need
Edit: I wasn't expecting so much interaction. I'm glad that she is gaining everybody's support, and giving us a bit of electricity needed to get through this final push towards election time!
I'm honestly not a big fan of her and would have preferred to see someone more progressive get the nomination, but I honestly had the same feeling as you now that we actually have a chance at defeating Trump.
If you want progressive candidates you gotta do community organization and outreach. Personally I'd much rather do praxis under Harris than Trump.
Have to get those progressives to run in the Dem primaries and show up to vote for them.
Doesn't matter when the DNC leadership puts their thumbs on the scale to prevent them from gaining any traction by doing things like excluding them from debates, giving funding to one candidate over another, or feeding stories favorable to their candidate to the media.
What we need is ranked choice voting so that we can kick both the DNC and RNC to the curb and form parties that aren't run by protectionist, out of touch millionaires/billionaires.
Can't get ranked choice with the current parties and third parties aren't creeping up in the polls to displace them. It's why Bernie ran in the Democratic primary. And we have more elected progressive Democrats now than we did because of it. It's a long game and it needs to grow from the bottom up to get electoral reform.
I was pretty distraught after the announcement, but within a few hours as the wave of support built, I came out of the hole and started feeling positive. So glad that the support fell behind so quickly.
It's almost like when you do what the electorate is asking, you earn their support! I sure hope the Dems finally learn that this time
I also have felt unburdened by what has been, as if a spell was cast on me. I had no doubt though that replacing Joe Biden with literally anyone, including his son or dog, would increase democrats chance of winning. I think in my case it was more of letting go of pent up anger towards the rotting carcass of the current president and all those who campaigned for his reelection. Including the lovely folk of lemmy, for whom I still might hold some animosity. To those that rode hard for Biden, a sincere fuck you.
Thank God Dems got their act together. Thank God Biden stepped aside. This is a much better timeline now.
Biden was still the right choice if the Dems were never going to run someone else. Full stop. Trump literally just told Christian voters they'll never have to vote again if they vote for him this time.
But I never "rode hard for Biden" in the sense that I felt he should've been the choice for the Dems. My argument has always been whoever the Dems pick is necessary to save the democratic process in this country (among many other things).
I am relieved the conversation has broken free from simply voting against Trump to having a choice people might actually like. Proof is going to be in the pudding, but I'm cautiously optimistic.
Oh, me too. And boy oh boy was I wrong!
Right there with ya
I wasn't sure she was the answer, but the debate was so appalling, I felt something had to change. I find her far more compelling than I thought I would.
"I'm Kamala Harris, and I approve this message."
That sits right next to "i don't need a ride, i need ammo" on my badass quotes shelf.
Harris was a prosecutor, and a successfully I hear, there was never any chance Trump would risk debating her on live TV. He maybe able to fire hose lies against Biden, but Harris would rip him apart, and the best part is, he knows it. He has nothing to gain from debating her, so he will come up with excuse after excuse to avoid it.
Harris ran for president in 2019 but did terribly in the first dem primary debate and dropped out early, fwiw. We'll see what happens vs Trump.
Trump is easier to debate for democrats who don’t care as much about decorum as Biden. A primary debate requires much more delicacy, because you can’t all out attack the others without potentially prejudicing voters against your party’s eventual nominee, should you lose.
Biden did well in the latter scenario, because he’s very good at politicking. I think Harris would do better in the former because of her greater willingness to openly mock trump. Hopefully we get to see.
Did she do terribly during the debate? I remember watching and thinking she seemed smart and articulate, but didn't have the name recognition and backing to get very far in the primaries.
She was a party favorite but Tulsi Gabbard called her out on her prosecutorial record and that ended her, I believe.
Trump can't run to her left like most of the 2020 Democratic field did.
Good for her. He deserves to be taunted, endlessly, about a LOT of things. Other things he’s done deserve much worse than a mere taunt.
I think the meme-ing and taunting are going to cause him significant damage - both his campaign, and his personal self. And I will enjoy watching him decay.
She should do what Clint Eastwood did at the RNC in 2012 ... debate an empty chair.
She should debate a puppet sitting on a chair, and express her disappointment that Putin couldn't be there to reach up its ass and work its mouth.
Reminds me of when the BBC show Have I Got News For You replaced Roy Hattersley with a tub of lard after he failed to show up. Good times.
She should start by saying how her opponent missed the debate because he was golfing, which is what he'll do again if he's elected, golf all the time!
Golfing was/would be the best possible use of his time in office. Concentrating on fabricating his score would distract him from worse evils.
Dementia Don the racist rapist with 34 felonies that can't complete a coherent sentence is just scared. He's too old and needs to drop out. He knows that she will absolutely eviscerate him in a debate.
Or rape.
Trump is the kid that throws the controller when he realizes that the final boss has two health bars.
Can he even reach the bumpers on a controller?
Savage!
Omfg this visual was gold in my mind.
and new boss form gets stronger
I like presidential candidates that aren't cowards.
Run hard on calling him a chickenshit loser and demand a pre and post drug test for the debate.
Hahaha what a puss
He's the Republican's giant pussy, afraid she gonna grab him
I know I'm reaching but it would be wonderful if they took this as an opportunity to turn the event into a town hall for Harris. Don't participate, lose your stage.
Have a bag of Cheetos as a placeholder on the other podium
And make sure to add a diaper on the bottom and a little bandage up top.
If we want to bring it - let’s bring it
Thank you Democratic campaign, and media for finally starting to call out the Trump campaign when they make 2 conflicting statements in the same month. Trump's popularity comes from people selectively hearing what they want to hear.
Why do they quote the piece of shit Trump with his stupid framing? Crooked this, sleepy that … stop that!
Good. Call him a coward. Making him feel small is the only way to get him out.
Archived page https://archive.is/6eScl
You're the real hero!
I just figure I have to get the link anyway if I want to read it; why not save others the time? :)
Time to man up and be an alpha man or whatever it is MAGA screeches about incessantly.
Lmao
I saw low penetration and immediately thought of couch height.
Fits donnie boy perfectly based on what Stormy Daniels has to say about it: https://web.archive.org/web/20240508055746/https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a23301515/stormy-daniels-donald-trump-penis-mushroom/
And I quote:
Certainly sounds like low penetrating power to me.
Anyway, now that I’ve researched a geriatric fascist’s small dick and low sexual energy in detail, I think I’m done with the internet today and gonna go touch some grass. Later y’all!
Also, during the trial, she heavily implied, but did not outright say, that she did not consent.
Yeah I recall hearing about an armed guard standing outside the room and him getting naked, on par with his low quality mobster bullshit.
I mean.... They're not wrong. Why the hell would he go get curb stomped now instead of waiting until she's technically gotten the nomination?
It'd be fun to watch the beatdown, but I doubt it'll ever happen.
Orange pussy bitch.
Don't forget convicted rapist and 34x felon, so far. Fuckin orange shit gibbon
The Trump camp released that statement saying "there is a strong sense by many in the Democrat Party - namely Barack Hussein Obama - that Kamala Harris is a Marxist fraud who cannot beat President Trump, and they are still holding out for someone better" on Thursday the 25th, the same day the Obamas enthusiastically endorsed Harris.
He's going for the Parker Brothers defense, if you can't win the debate become a petulant child and flip the board over.
spraypaint a manican orange and have it play a recording of his battery shark rant.
Mannequin or manikin, you have a choice. A mannequin is usually used for selling clothes, a manikin is usually used to practice CPR or other medical procedures.
Wise move from Trump tbh. Kamala would eat him alive in a debate.
Well I'm glad folks are doing it on here...so much information is behind a paywall and there are times when it feels like the links are put up by the actual organization to try and drive up new subs
Presidential debates happen between presidential candidates. Democrats don't have a presidential candidate yet. But they will by the end of the DNC on August 22nd.
So why did we have the other debate then?
Biden was even more than the presidential candidate, he is the sitting president. A presidential debate between a president and a presidential candidate makes perfect sense, no?
The RNC hadn’t happened yet.
Yeah lol spinning this as "backing out" seems like a stretch. But if the headline was like "Trump campaign prefers to wait for formal nominations before planning debate," then it would not drive much engagement.
Kind of a nothing story, IMO.