@fne8w2ah "Two of the central players of the operation, Roy M. Cox and Aaron Michael Jones, were under lifetime bans against making telemarketing calls following lawsuits by the Federal Trade Commission and State of Texas."
WHY AREN’T THEY IN JAIL
How much money were they making off telemarketing that they were fucking banned for life from doing it and they still did it?
Also:
At the time, the FTC said that Cox was issued "a $1.1 million civil penalty that will be suspended due to his inability to pay.
Oh ok, so this fine for more money will certainly mean something...
I feel like we have places to put people who ruin society. Was it mail, rail, shale? I dunno, set them free and bring me a coffee, bailiff.
I feel like at this point we just go full Spanish Inquisition and burn these motherfuckers at the stake.
Political theatre to make it seem like they're doing something about the issue. When in reality, nothing changes.
Anyone got a number?
I have some very important information for them regarding expiration of their vehicle warranties.
That would be a good penalty for them. Their phone number(s) must always be public so anyone can call them whenever they want.
WHY ARE THEY STILL BREATHING?
I don't understand why these people weren't in jail already!
Yeah, I don't get why this seemed to be such a huge undertaking. The phone companies certainly know who's making all these calls on their networks.
The phone companies certainly know who’s making all these calls on their networks.
Exactly. If the networks faced consequences for knowingly routing and profiting off these illegal phone calls they would stop fairly quickly.
Cause they were complicit.
i assume someone was making money off this, and has made enough money to get rid of them so other people don't make money...
It’s kind of amazing how we’d been answering phones when they rang for a century, until a handful of greedy wankers like these guys and the offshore “calling from Windows” folks started doing their thing a few years ago. Now only the elderly and folks required to answer for work even contemplate picking a call up.
I don't answer my work phone anymore. Our company uses teams. So if it's not a teams call, you can't make me answer the phone.
I haven't had a legitimate phone call on my work line in the last 8 years. Anyone who truly needs to talk to me has my cell number and several other ways to contact me.
I got so many spam calls I considered changing the number I've had for over 2 decades. So obnoxious.
I wouldn’t recommend that. I did it once for the same reason and got just as many spam calls plus debt collectors trying to reach the person who had the number before me.
Yeah I couldn't bring myself to anyway, I've got an "interesting" number (think like 420-6969 but not that) that I wouldn't want to give up....as if anyone cares about numbers anymore. But it was cool in high school!
It's 531-8008 isn't it.
I wish
It's not your number. It's all the numbers.
Good to see the FCC going after this kind of thing. Put them in jail even better.
I have my phone set up so the only numbers that chime the phone are those in my contact list. The abuse of voice and text on the cell network is rampant and it's equivalent to trespassing.
Shred all robo caller companies and give the owners jail time.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
"An international network of companies violated federal statutes and the Commission's regulations when they executed a scheme to make more than five billion robocalls to more than 500 million phone numbers during a three-month span in 2021, including violating federal spoofing laws by using more than one million different caller ID numbers in an attempt to disguise the true origin of the robocalls and trick victims into answering the phone," the FCC said.
"Since at least 2018, this enterprise operated a complex scheme designed to facilitate the sale of vehicle service contracts under the false and misleading claim of selling auto warranties," the FCC said.
"Two of the central players of the operation, Roy M. Cox and Aaron Michael Jones, were under lifetime bans against making telemarketing calls following lawsuits by the Federal Trade Commission and State of Texas."
The FCC said it took action to block the robocalling scheme last year by directing "all US-based voice service providers to cease carrying traffic associated with certain members of the enterprise.
The FCC coordinated last year's action with the Ohio attorney general's office, which filed a lawsuit against Jones, Cox, and others involved in the alleged robocalling scheme.
Cox was banned from telemarketing in a 2013 settlement with the FTC, which accused him of sending "illegal robocalls offering credit card interest rate reduction programs, extended automobile warranties, and home security systems."
Two trash humans were asked nicely to not do it again, and did it again. don’t worry though the prison cells they should have been locked away in are filled with minor drug charges by minorities or something else equally stupid.
TLDR: the perpetrators were trying to reach you about your car’s extended warranty.
No joke, they actually were.
Now do political campaigns.
Fines aren’t near enough at this point, we need public executions at a minimum to put a dent in this problem.
No killing them is too extreme. Put them in a room with 1,000 different types of ringing telephones for a week.
The way I see it, an alleged murderer is entitled to a trial by an impartial jury of one's peers. However, It would be improper for victims of the deceased to serve on the jury trying the murder case.
When the deceased has continuously harassed everyone with a phone for the past 20+ years, it is impossible to assemble an impartial jury. Impossible to assemble a jury means it is also impossible to convict.
I like the shame bell from game of thrones.
Yes, I suppose we could beat telemarketers to death with that bell just as well as with anything else.
I guess you never saw the shame walk. Oh well.
I saw it. It's not nearly what they deserve.
Minimum sentence should be 18 months in the company of Ramsay Bolton.
Not gonna help. Not accepting calls from unknown numbers and/or automated filtering is the only way forward, the model of being able to just call anyone is broken.
So, what tiny fraction of their profits does this fine represent?
Ya I appreciate the gesture but if this truly is the "biggest" robocall racket I have to imagine a 300M fine is a dropping the bucket
Ban all robocalls, legal or illegal. If any business that needs to reach can leave a voicemail. I'll decide then which should be deleted and which required a call back.
How many of you have received these calls? I got a ton of them along with my husband and siblings.
Those were partly the reason I stopped answering unknown numbers.
Spam callers have basically ruined telephone as a medium. For many, a phone call is more likely to be fake and spam than it is to be legitimate. And even if the call claims to come from a source you might trust, good odds it's spoofed and thus cannot in fact be trusted.
A shame on telecoms for not being willing to tackle the problem.
Both email and the telephone have been ruined by spam for me. The inbox has become an unwieldy, inefficient mess.
I'm even getting Google Drive spam now. Complete randos "sharing files" with me. There's no way to prevent it.
At least email has some tools to help mitigate the issue, like SPF, DKIM, and DMARC. They aren't perfect, but they are loads better than telephony.
Plus addressing (your-email+somearbitrarytag@domain.com) is also a nice tool at your disposal. Helps track where the spam is coming from. I've found few/none trim it when storing addresses so it consistently works.
I've never gotten that to work. Did Gmail remove the ability to do it? I'm probably just dumb.
It should still work. It’s become kind of a common pattern. I’ve found it works in Proton Mail too which is nice.
Same, the only time I answer my phone is when I want to mess with the spammers.
$300M feels like "Ahh we caught you now, bad boys, don't let me catch you again. Now go have your lunch."
These people should be punished harsher for all the lives they've destroyed intentionally.
Good! Large fines create a meaningful deterrent for bad behavior.
Sure deterred them from doing it again after the first time… oh wait.
We've had one fine yes, but what about second fine?
That’s fine too.
I don't think he knows about secondsy fines, Pipen.
This was the second fine for at least one of these guys.
Cox was banned from telemarketing in a 2013 settlement with the FTC, which accused him of sending "illegal robocalls offering credit card interest rate reduction programs, extended automobile warranties, and home security systems." At the time, the FTC said that Cox was issued "a $1.1 million civil penalty that will be suspended due to his inability to pay."
In 2017, the FTC obtained a similar telemarketing ban on Jones. He was also fined $2.7 million, but, as with Cox, the fine was "suspended based on his inability to pay."
No fine is going to be paid this time either I imagine.
I'm not normally a proponent of prison for debtors, but in the case of these motherfuckers I'd be happy if they threw away the key.
suspended based on his inability to pay
If only he had some way to make money fast.
Maybe it'll help as long as the fine is some % of their net income. Sweden does this, speeding tickets are a % of your income instead of a fixed fine, so someone with $10MM will still feel the burn.
Depends on if they make so much money that 300M is just cost of doing business. There needs to be prison time for those involved.
Also $300M is the public fine number. Usually the actual fine is less than what is made public.
Curious what kind qualifies as a legal robocall.
A reminder about your dentist appointment.
Just expanding on this, you can robocall anyone with whom you have personal or business dealings but must cease immediately when requested.
This needs a time limitation. Just you and I transacted something back in the 1900s does not mean I should receive a robocall from you out of the blue.
ugh, "Just *because ..."``
There might be a timeout but I’m not sure. Much of the legislation around it is similar to what you find in the do not call registry. We live in exciting times, when incredibly outdated laws are finally being updated. Send a suggestion to your local lawmakers if you want change.
Politicians probably allow themselves to call everyone.
Is it Duns and Bradstreet?
can we do something about homelessness, drug addiction/rehabilitation, and income support for families first? Would love 300mil for that
Idgaf about the robocallers compared to our real social issues. This is miniscule
Are you against fines or against how they’re being allocated?
whoops misread the "fine" part
Scam callers and all those issues you listed are probably a statistic. These assholes scam seniors out of millions (probably billions worldwide) if someone loses their money, and can't afford their mortgage or rent, they are much likely to end up on the street.
@fne8w2ah "Two of the central players of the operation, Roy M. Cox and Aaron Michael Jones, were under lifetime bans against making telemarketing calls following lawsuits by the Federal Trade Commission and State of Texas."
WHY AREN’T THEY IN JAIL
How much money were they making off telemarketing that they were fucking banned for life from doing it and they still did it?
Also:
Oh ok, so this fine for more money will certainly mean something...
I feel like we have places to put people who ruin society. Was it mail, rail, shale? I dunno, set them free and bring me a coffee, bailiff.
I feel like at this point we just go full Spanish Inquisition and burn these motherfuckers at the stake.
Political theatre to make it seem like they're doing something about the issue. When in reality, nothing changes.
Anyone got a number?
I have some very important information for them regarding expiration of their vehicle warranties.
That would be a good penalty for them. Their phone number(s) must always be public so anyone can call them whenever they want.
WHY ARE THEY STILL BREATHING?
I don't understand why these people weren't in jail already!
Yeah, I don't get why this seemed to be such a huge undertaking. The phone companies certainly know who's making all these calls on their networks.
Exactly. If the networks faced consequences for knowingly routing and profiting off these illegal phone calls they would stop fairly quickly.
Cause they were complicit.
i assume someone was making money off this, and has made enough money to get rid of them so other people don't make money...
It’s kind of amazing how we’d been answering phones when they rang for a century, until a handful of greedy wankers like these guys and the offshore “calling from Windows” folks started doing their thing a few years ago. Now only the elderly and folks required to answer for work even contemplate picking a call up.
I don't answer my work phone anymore. Our company uses teams. So if it's not a teams call, you can't make me answer the phone.
I haven't had a legitimate phone call on my work line in the last 8 years. Anyone who truly needs to talk to me has my cell number and several other ways to contact me.
I got so many spam calls I considered changing the number I've had for over 2 decades. So obnoxious.
I wouldn’t recommend that. I did it once for the same reason and got just as many spam calls plus debt collectors trying to reach the person who had the number before me.
Yeah I couldn't bring myself to anyway, I've got an "interesting" number (think like 420-6969 but not that) that I wouldn't want to give up....as if anyone cares about numbers anymore. But it was cool in high school!
It's 531-8008 isn't it.
I wish
It's not your number. It's all the numbers.
Good to see the FCC going after this kind of thing. Put them in jail even better.
I have my phone set up so the only numbers that chime the phone are those in my contact list. The abuse of voice and text on the cell network is rampant and it's equivalent to trespassing.
Shred all robo caller companies and give the owners jail time.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
"An international network of companies violated federal statutes and the Commission's regulations when they executed a scheme to make more than five billion robocalls to more than 500 million phone numbers during a three-month span in 2021, including violating federal spoofing laws by using more than one million different caller ID numbers in an attempt to disguise the true origin of the robocalls and trick victims into answering the phone," the FCC said.
"Since at least 2018, this enterprise operated a complex scheme designed to facilitate the sale of vehicle service contracts under the false and misleading claim of selling auto warranties," the FCC said.
"Two of the central players of the operation, Roy M. Cox and Aaron Michael Jones, were under lifetime bans against making telemarketing calls following lawsuits by the Federal Trade Commission and State of Texas."
The FCC said it took action to block the robocalling scheme last year by directing "all US-based voice service providers to cease carrying traffic associated with certain members of the enterprise.
The FCC coordinated last year's action with the Ohio attorney general's office, which filed a lawsuit against Jones, Cox, and others involved in the alleged robocalling scheme.
Cox was banned from telemarketing in a 2013 settlement with the FTC, which accused him of sending "illegal robocalls offering credit card interest rate reduction programs, extended automobile warranties, and home security systems."
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Two trash humans were asked nicely to not do it again, and did it again. don’t worry though the prison cells they should have been locked away in are filled with minor drug charges by minorities or something else equally stupid.
TLDR: the perpetrators were trying to reach you about your car’s extended warranty.
No joke, they actually were.
Now do political campaigns.
Fines aren’t near enough at this point, we need public executions at a minimum to put a dent in this problem.
No killing them is too extreme. Put them in a room with 1,000 different types of ringing telephones for a week.
The way I see it, an alleged murderer is entitled to a trial by an impartial jury of one's peers. However, It would be improper for victims of the deceased to serve on the jury trying the murder case.
When the deceased has continuously harassed everyone with a phone for the past 20+ years, it is impossible to assemble an impartial jury. Impossible to assemble a jury means it is also impossible to convict.
I like the shame bell from game of thrones.
Yes, I suppose we could beat telemarketers to death with that bell just as well as with anything else.
I guess you never saw the shame walk. Oh well.
I saw it. It's not nearly what they deserve.
Minimum sentence should be 18 months in the company of Ramsay Bolton.
Not gonna help. Not accepting calls from unknown numbers and/or automated filtering is the only way forward, the model of being able to just call anyone is broken.
So, what tiny fraction of their profits does this fine represent?
Ya I appreciate the gesture but if this truly is the "biggest" robocall racket I have to imagine a 300M fine is a dropping the bucket
Not Like they will pay it anyway.
Not like they'll seriously be expected to.
Probably like 1%, maybe 2%
Ban all robocalls, legal or illegal. If any business that needs to reach can leave a voicemail. I'll decide then which should be deleted and which required a call back.
How many of you have received these calls? I got a ton of them along with my husband and siblings.
Those were partly the reason I stopped answering unknown numbers.
Spam callers have basically ruined telephone as a medium. For many, a phone call is more likely to be fake and spam than it is to be legitimate. And even if the call claims to come from a source you might trust, good odds it's spoofed and thus cannot in fact be trusted.
A shame on telecoms for not being willing to tackle the problem.
Both email and the telephone have been ruined by spam for me. The inbox has become an unwieldy, inefficient mess.
I'm even getting Google Drive spam now. Complete randos "sharing files" with me. There's no way to prevent it.
At least email has some tools to help mitigate the issue, like SPF, DKIM, and DMARC. They aren't perfect, but they are loads better than telephony.
Plus addressing (your-email+somearbitrarytag@domain.com) is also a nice tool at your disposal. Helps track where the spam is coming from. I've found few/none trim it when storing addresses so it consistently works.
I've never gotten that to work. Did Gmail remove the ability to do it? I'm probably just dumb.
It should still work. It’s become kind of a common pattern. I’ve found it works in Proton Mail too which is nice.
Same, the only time I answer my phone is when I want to mess with the spammers.
I've started forwarding the calls to Google voice or if i accidentally pick the call, i use bixby's auto answer.
Either eay the call drops in a hot second.
$300M feels like "Ahh we caught you now, bad boys, don't let me catch you again. Now go have your lunch."
These people should be punished harsher for all the lives they've destroyed intentionally.
Good! Large fines create a meaningful deterrent for bad behavior.
Sure deterred them from doing it again after the first time… oh wait.
We've had one fine yes, but what about second fine?
That’s fine too.
I don't think he knows about secondsy fines, Pipen.
This was the second fine for at least one of these guys.
No fine is going to be paid this time either I imagine.
I'm not normally a proponent of prison for debtors, but in the case of these motherfuckers I'd be happy if they threw away the key.
If only he had some way to make money fast.
Maybe it'll help as long as the fine is some % of their net income. Sweden does this, speeding tickets are a % of your income instead of a fixed fine, so someone with $10MM will still feel the burn.
Depends on if they make so much money that 300M is just cost of doing business. There needs to be prison time for those involved.
Also $300M is the public fine number. Usually the actual fine is less than what is made public.
Curious what kind qualifies as a legal robocall.
A reminder about your dentist appointment.
Just expanding on this, you can robocall anyone with whom you have personal or business dealings but must cease immediately when requested.
This needs a time limitation. Just you and I transacted something back in the 1900s does not mean I should receive a robocall from you out of the blue.
ugh, "Just *because ..."``
There might be a timeout but I’m not sure. Much of the legislation around it is similar to what you find in the do not call registry. We live in exciting times, when incredibly outdated laws are finally being updated. Send a suggestion to your local lawmakers if you want change.
Politicians probably allow themselves to call everyone.
Is it Duns and Bradstreet?
can we do something about homelessness, drug addiction/rehabilitation, and income support for families first? Would love 300mil for that
Idgaf about the robocallers compared to our real social issues. This is miniscule
Are you against fines or against how they’re being allocated?
whoops misread the "fine" part
Scam callers and all those issues you listed are probably a statistic. These assholes scam seniors out of millions (probably billions worldwide) if someone loses their money, and can't afford their mortgage or rent, they are much likely to end up on the street.