The Big Lie is expanding: Majority of Republicans now insist Trump never tried to overturn election

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The Big Lie is expanding: Majority of Republicans now insist Trump never tried to overturn election
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The Narcissist's Prayer:

“That didn’t happen.
And if it did, it wasn’t that bad.
And if it was, that’s not a big deal.
And if it is, that’s not my fault.
And if it was, I didn’t mean it.
And if I did, you deserved it.”

PS I never knew them, they aren't my type, and they aren't pretty enough.

Hah, yeah. That prayer reminds me of Trudeau too

Didn't realize Canada had a GoP that was lead by.... The guy most Americans would firing squad as a socialist if he were elected to anything including school board Rep.

Freedumb fighter over here.

You didn't see any of the SNC lavalin stuff did you?

What about his black face costume?

How about the law to make social media companies pay news outlets for having their articles shared on those platforms, then producing radio ads saying "meta and google are blocking your news!!"

How about freezing the bank accounts of nonviolent protestors and anyone who supported them

He shrugs all of that off, and goes by that narcissistic prayer. I'm not sure why anyone is defending this guy lol, is it just because he's affiliated with the liberal party?

He just recently had to pull back his over priced carbon tax because we're all too broke. This plan literally only hurts the poor classes.

god forbid we stop this left vs right nonsense and come together

He froze the bank accounts of the freedom convoy because the fundraiser was organized by a white supremicist and someone who wants western Canada to secede. Like literal racist traitors. They arrested members of diagalon during that time, who had staged weapons near coutts.

But Trudeau wore a shitty costume one time so samesies.

We can’t stop this “right vs left nonsense” because the right is trying to exclude from society anyone who isn’t a straight Christian, and are gathering momentum so quickly and deftly people like you don’t even see it because of how removed from reality the right wing information ecosystems are.

Tamara lich/Chris Barber are white supremacists? How'd you come to that conclusion? Or are you confusing 2 different groups?

Yes you're right about those politicians on the right trying to exclude people - the Christian nationalists in the US are horrible, so much for separation from state and church

Pat King was the biggest leader of the convoy, he is for sure a white supremicist per his own recorded words.

And why let Tamara collect money to basically fund a civil war?

In the Canadian govs eyes, he's not the leader.

Tamara and Chris are in court right now for charges about leading the convoy.

You let protestors, protest. Especially when it's not violent. The only injuries sustained in this protest were given to an old lady vs a police horse. You can't just throw the money on the street - someone has to organize it.

Why do you want the government to have so much control?

Pat king isn’t facing charges related to his leadership role in the convoy? Coulda sworn he had a court date the same day as Chris and Tamara’s a while back.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/tamara-lich-christopher-barber-pat-king-crown-lays-new-charges-freedom-convoy-1.6396145

Anyway. I’m not in favor of people protesting to end my right to exist in a country, or dividing a country so they can have a place for “real Canadians”. That should be illegal, because once protests get enough momentum they can enact laws to enshrine their ethnostate.

I’m sorry you’re naive enough not to see this. Protesting is a tool for open societies, those who want to destroy such open societies should not have access to the tools to dismantle it, for then the society will cease to be open.

I'm glad it's not you that gets to gate keep protests then.

They were protesting to stop the ridiculous mandates the government imposed with little to no scientific reasoning. Stop pretending this is some racist issue.

Ask some racist and non racist people if they believe vaccines work, you’ll get an interesting diagram.

What the two movements have in common is the absolute willfull ignorance of scientific evidence contrary to their views.

The “Medical Freedom” crowd is dangerous both for the stupidity of their “cause” and the unexpectedly effective camouflage they provide for other right wing racist bullshit.

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We'll never come together when morons like you believe the lies PP and rebel news is feeding you. By the looks of it, you've got a subscription to the Conservative Propaganda Newsletter and swallowed it whole.

I've never supported or mentioned PP, I'm not sure where you're drawing that from.

The dudes a career politician - that's not far from being a salesperson your whole life. It's debatable which is worse though, a career politician or a trust fund drama teacher lol

Don't resort to name calling though, makes you seem unintelligent

You don't have to say his name when his jizz is dripping from your chin. You're working from his playbook which is Harper's hand book but if you're not smart enough to understand who's manipulated into your retarded pigeon hole, I am not surprised.

Name calling isn't what makes someone unintelligent. Supporting bigoted regressive policies, along with supporting the anti science movement is what exposes people as unintelligent.

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You mean Harper and Poilievre. They're the ones who put the lives of millions of Canadians at risk so their developer buddies could benefit.

Also the time they literally siphoned off the G20 meeting's security budget for personal pet projects.

You hate him because you want to fuck him.

Just ask nice, you might get a chance.

Might be a nice change of pace, he's been fucking me for a while now.

I think it’s amusing there’s downvote farmers here when karma doesn’t matter.

Does the thrill of riling people up get you off?

Lol no, this is just how it goes on Lemmy in political channels. If you don't want negative karma here, don't say anything that objects to "left leaning views" (how far left can vary)

It's good to not solely exist in agreeable echo chambers, so here I am

Do you think Trudeau is left leaning?

It doesn't really matter, he's just a putz

Lol no, this is just how it goes on Lemmy in political channels. If you don't want negative karma here, don't say anything that objects to "left leaning views" (how far left can vary)

You get negative karma because you’re being an asshole, not because you’re not left enough.

Idk.. Is he wasting his time on a forum trying and failing to troll anyone who cares for the sweet attention his mommy never gave him?

Oh hey, it's you again. You never answered my question from the other post. Call me crazy, but I think this guy might be a troll.

Anyways, here's another one of those downvotes you were looking for.

How high are you right meow?

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Germany 1930s. VOTE against these fuckers.

Majority of republicans are religious idiots. If you believe in imaginary friends that give you sky cake, then you can believe literally anything.

Don't mistake bad faith arguments with beliefs.

They believe in acquiring power in any way necessary. For most, that means pandering to their constituents, which means saber rattling for MAGA.

Just like you can't take the religious right for their "beliefs" either. They are just exploiting a rabid easily rallied base.

Nothing tells me someone has a very specific bone to pick more than jumping to blaming the Republicans on Christianity. It's putting the cart before the horse, and taking too much of what they say at face value. Remembering, of course, they're all pathological liars.

It's kind of depressing to know even some people on the left haven't figured out yet who these fuckers actually are. Religion is not at their core, nor is conservativism, not even nationalism. Those are all just addons.

It's pure, uncut selfishness, greed, and hate. All other belief systems are erected on top of that as needed, and often interchangeably.

This is mostly true. What major bills did Republicans pass under Trump? Tax cuts for the rich. It's always tax cuts for the rich. That's their religion.

It is a core feature of most religions that

  1. There are hidden forces at work in the world

  2. The workings of these hidden forces are more important than the processes we can see, and follow a grand plan

This belief is strikingly similar to conspiratorial worldviews, and the likelihood of subscribing to QAnon and other conspiracy theories rises substantially with increasing religiosity.

They're not the same thing, but they are definitely related

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What they all believe is so inconsistent across the spectrum of conservatives anyway - it was Antifa! It was the deep state! It was mostly peaceful tourists!

I've heard those contradictions spouted by single people on multiple occasions - whether they're lying, morons, or both, they're a danger.

Not sure about the country as a whole, but at least in my experience the republicans I know would never have said they thought he tried to begin with. Usually they see the capital riots as something beyond what Trump was expecting, as untrue as that has come been shown to be.

My father still thinks the insurrection was just a handful of people waving flags outside the Capitol. They never got the story because they are hooked on Fox news

I think jailing the Orange Menace will snap a lot of them out of it. A few will probably be ballsy enough to take some kind of action, but they'll be the minority and look like thugs. It just sucks that people are probably going to get hurt over this. I say just let the justice system do its thing.

Let's hope so. Some are threatening civil war if he's convicted and sent to prison, but then again, we're also talking about Snack Team 6. So I don't assume there's any bite behind that bark. I just know that after January 6th, they're absolutely going to try again.

Meal Team [January] 6, you mean? But going by how the insurrection went, I see an attempt at repeating something like that going over like a lead balloon. On the other hand, I can absolutely see a significant spike in domestic terror happening

Let's see those traitors try to storm riker's island... I wish a Karen fucking would

I think that jailing him is likely to lead to riots and violence from his supporters in the streets, stoked by his partners in government

This reality is absurd enough that there's a very real possibility he starts claiming the sun isn't real and we'll have actual arguments about whether the sun exists or whether it's Space Jew Democrats that are trying to confuse us...

Majority of Republicans now insist Trump never tried to overturn election

Of course they insist that- they were involved then and don't want consequences now

You're going to have to give them the benefit of the doubt on this one, it's not like most of them had a front row seat to an insurrection or something.

Right? It certainly wasn't being broadcast on every news station for weeks.