Lauren Boebert Wants ‘Mercy.’ Some Republicans Want an Alternative.

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Lauren Boebert Wants ‘Mercy.’ Some Republicans Want an Alternative.
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At a casino bingo hall in southwestern Colorado, Lauren Boebert, a Republican congresswoman, bounced her 6-month-old grandson on her knee.

“The election’s still a ways away,” she said as the guests arriving for the Montezuma County Republican Party’s annual Lincoln Day dinner trickled into the room. “And in talking with people at events like this, you know, it seems like there’s a lot of mercy and a lot of grace.”

The month before, Boebert, then in the midst of finalizing a divorce, was caught on a security camera vaping and groping her date shortly before being ejected from a performance of the musical “Beetlejuice” at the Buell Theater in Denver for causing a disturbance. The footage contradicted her own initial claims about the incident, and the venue’s statement that Boebert had demanded preferential treatment added to the outrage.

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At a casino bingo hall in southwestern Colorado, Lauren Boebert, a Republican congresswoman, bounced her 6-month-old grandson on her knee.

Reminder: This woman is 36 years old.

Now now, let's not shame young mothers. Let's shame her hypocrisy.

Doesn't that hypocrisy include abstinence until marriage? Because that's sure not what happened with her son.

Don't forget being a part of the party that works to remove social nets and support systems for young parents.

In general, I don't think it's rational to judge people for the choices their offspring make.

I think it's very rational to judge people's parenting ability.

Do I judge her because she's a 36 year old grandmother, generally no. Do I judge her because of her consistent stream of poor choices and hypocritical bullshit that has led her to becoming a 36 year old grandmother? Absolutely.

Look shit happens, you're not necessarily a bad person if your kid makes a poor choice and now has their own kid. You are a bad person if you can do all of those things and then try to pretend like you are some pious Christian that gets to lord over everyone else. She can get fucked. I hope she gets demolished in the election and fades into obscurity.

Do I judge her because she’s a 36 year old grandmother, generally no. Do I judge her because of her consistent stream of poor choices and hypocritical bullshit that has led her to becoming a 36 year old grandmother? Absolutely.

I guess that's more nuanced than the way I put it, but basically, yes. If she expects people to be abstinent but can't even keep her own underaged son from getting his girlfriend pregnant... That's what I'm talking about.

That's a red herring. She's not an awful person for being a grandmother at 36. She's an awful person for being a hypocrite.

I mean her son is just following in her footsteps. She was 18 when she had him and apparently learned nothing from it to teach her son. At least that's what I assumed we were talking about here.

That's ultimately a nature vs nurture question though, right? Even if you argue she was deficient in her parenting, I doubt anyone will place the choices of her adult child 100% on her. Do you follow all the same paths of your parents? I sure don't...

Sorry, you must not have understood me so let me put it into clearer terms. I'm bagging on Boebert for not practicing what she preaches and having a child at 18 out of wedlock. Not her son. I have no idea what he preaches. I only pointed out that there seems to be a pattern here that stands in pretty strong contrast to her party's dogma; other than that I don't know why we're focusing on him.

Her son is not the elected representative for the party that is pushing abstinence-only sex ed, moving to ban both birth control and abortion, and defunding programs that help young and single parents, all against the will of the people.

Though, to answer your question; it does stand to reason that if she, as a parent that supposedly follows this ideology, can't even keep teen pregnancy out of her own home, let alone her own body; how does she expect things to go on a national level without the aforementioned programs and services? Just as you said, teens don't tend to heel to the dogma of their parents and government especially when said dogma goes against their very basic nature.

people are allowed to change. just because she (or anyone, im not really defending her personally) has an opinion now, doesn't mean they always had it. in fact, past expereiences tend to shape peoples feelings. If someone is 36 and preaching about not having sex before marriage or not having a child at a young age, it's probably because they had a child out of wedlock at a young age and have the experience to talk about it now. it's asinine to believe that people can NEVER change their minds about something. everyone makes mistakes, though not everyone learns from them. but you, i bet you're perfect right? you've never changed your mind about anything. you've stuck to you guns 100% about everything always.

Seems we have more confusion. Let me repeat myself.

The party that is pushing abstinence-only sex ed, moving to ban both birth control and abortion, and defunding programs that help young and single parents, all against the will of the people.

How does she expect things to go on a national level without the aforementioned programs and services? Teens don't tend to heel to the dogma of their parents and government especially when said dogma goes against their very basic nature.

The moral of the story is that she can have her beliefs without forcing them onto the general population. Also that abstinence only education does. not. work. No matter the beliefs of the parents or what they've learned through life experience. Pubescent teens are going to be pubescent teens. They are ruled by hormones, not their parents beliefs, and abstinence-only education simply does not teach them how to safely navigate that.

but you, i bet you're perfect right? you've never changed your mind about anything. you've stuck to you guns 100% about everything always.

I mean we're talking about Boebert here but if you must know. When it comes to public policy, my 'mind' tends to go by what has been proven through research and data. As it turns out that does make it right more often than those that go by faith alone, which is the sole thing that guides most of the nonsense mentioned up above. The difference is that science welcomes being proved wrong as it presents an opportunity for evolution and greater consensus and understanding, and is formed by many more minds across many more generations than just my own. Whereas evolution is still a dirty word in faith. Sorry you have such a complex about it.

that's sure not what happened with her son

Or her in a crowded theater full of children.

I'm not going to shame her for being a grandmother at her age. I will absolutely blame her for using her 6-month-old grandkid as a political prop.

She's not a young mother...the Carfax says accident damage and a rebuilt title.

The classic platform of begging for mercy whilst giving none.

Mercy my ass, she does nothing but lie and makeup crazy s*** 24x7 to further her agenda. She needs to be removed from society for our own safety.

Yeah. She could give hand jobs all day and I couldn't care less, but I can't forgive her for constantly lying out of her ass, before, during, after this event. She learns nothing from it.

I wanted to refer to Boebert as "first date handjob in a movie theater" lady but that discounts all her incredibly racist, offensive, terrible shit she said and did for the past five years.

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How am I to interpret this sound bite that includes bouncing a six month old baby on your knee offered in a... checks notes... casino bingo hall?

Let's stop with the overused "checks notes" redditism.

I like it. It adds character when appropriate. It's fine if you don't, you're entitled to your opinion. Just don't ruin it for everyone else.

You just said it. When appropriate. It's kind of annoying when people use it in an * checks notes * unimaginative way.

That's what you took from that. Neat.

Incidentally, it's the first time I've ever used it. See my username, put it into present tense, and carry on with your miserable day.

I'm having a grand day. Lemmy, like Reddit is just a toy, so if you want to take things so seriously, welp.. good for you. Bye.

This coming from someone who took the time to complain about a… checks notes… phrase used on every social media and even in news articles, not just on reddit.

No, that's not a thing in hard news. Maybe in opinion pieces or columns, but it's definitely not in the AP Style Guide, which in the US is still the industry standard.

Perhaps outside the AP or whatever, but I have seen it used recently as such in sources that could be considered mainstream news by today’s audiences.

edit: not that the absence of such would make this guy’s complaint any less ridiculous

In news articles? What * checks notes * news sources are you using?!

Ok, first of all, for someone who complains that the phrase should be used appropriately, you don’t use it appropriately at all, in either this case or in that other “unimaginative” reply under this post, while the person you’re trying to call out about it actually did use it appropriately.

Meanwhile, don’t act stupid and pretend that articles from major news sources haven’t started using that phrase as a narrative device in regards to Republican nonsense in general. I don’t have to point you to it, it’s out there.

Beo give me an example of these * * checks notes* * news articles using "checks notes," and a blog post won't cut it.

You don't use it appropriately at all

Well oh well, look who's walking in my shoes!

LOL

You: this is a different thing and you can't reference anything that was done in other places.

I'm okay with previous references. Not just the * checks notes * overused, misused ones.

Scrolling through the article - then suddenly a proud eagle holding a table top with his mighty penis…

and i kinda want to see her do porn, but life's not always fair... well i mean this case she's gotten away with far more than most folks would... so yeah maybe its not fair in that regard either.

Honestly, since conservatives are probably the biggest consumers of porn, she could start a new Conservative politician-themed genre, and "ride" (pun intended) her celebrity and be groped by all the people she wants all the way to the bank.

Wait, wasn't it that any kind of sexual act that doesn't have the purpose of procreation is a sin?

Only if you get caught, are having fun, or are queer, of course (/s). But the two core rules of Conservatism are:

  • I get to do what I want.
  • You have to do what I say.

I just read that article and would be interested in additional research on the topic as I don't find those arguments particularly compelling.

If I understood correctly, conservative states are just slightly more likely to pay for porn subscriptions than liberal states: this is a difference of 1-3 subscriptions per 1000 people. A very small distinction.

And it's 6 out of the 10 least subscribing states voted for Obama while 8 of the 10 most subscribing states voted for McCain.

Given a very minor difference between the most and least subscribing states, I'm not sure this data actually means anything. Utah bought the most, but Montana bought the least per capita. Both deeply conservative states.

Edit: I don't say this as a defense of conservatives but as a call to better research and a caution against believing tenuous facts that reinforce our worldview. I personally believe repression leads to all sorts of problems, I just don't think this article or research really supports that argument in a meaningful way.

What I find interesting about the research, I think, is that despite all their bluster about "sin," "tradition," and "family values," it turns out they are at least as likely to participate in the adult sex industry as their liberal and progressive counterparts. Being Conservative doesn't appear to be a factor (at least, not in most cases), and being an ex-fundigelical myself, I hypothesize that it might increase that likelihood, possibly due to the combination of sexual repression and the near-constant focus on the sexual habits of others.

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You basically did already When they were caught at Betelgeuse, she was giving her cohort a handy in the middle of the theater

they were caught at Betelgeuse,

Wow, they really get around.

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I do find it hilarious that of all the reprehensible things this woman has said and done over the past few years, she's probably gonna be taken down because she copped a quick feel.

If she hadn't nearly lost in the last election, the sudden concern for her character wouldn't be here now, even as a party disruptor.

Optimus Prime thought she was made of sterner stuff.

The handjob is an excuse, not a reason. The reason is that she came a hair's breadth from losing a seat the GOP is counting on and her numbers have gotten worse since then.

If it were a male politician he'd be relentlessly hounded out of politics by his peers with no mercy even considered. Boebert is unfit to represent anybody.

Um, so there’s this guy named Donald Trump who still got elected president even after a tape of him bragging about grabbing women by their, um, yeah, was made public.

I don’t expect people would hold men to a similar standard here either tbh

I mean, not if he was Republican. Remember, Matt Gaetz literally trafficked teenage girls and he's still in power.

Including her 6 month old grandchild that she brought to the casino?

This is the best summary I could come up with:


The month before, Ms. Boebert, then in the midst of finalizing a divorce, was caught on a security camera vaping and groping her date shortly before being ejected from a performance of the musical “Beetlejuice” at the Buell Theater in Denver for causing a disturbance.

Pete Coors, the brewery scion, former Senate candidate and 2016 Trump fund-raiser, announced his endorsement in a statement provided to the Times, describing Mr. Hurd as “a principled leader of character whose conduct and behavior will never make us regret our support.”

Then a 33-year-old owner of a gun-themed, pandemic-lockdown-defying bar and restaurant in the small town of Rifle, she was an immediate sensation in the right wing of the party, which had transparently longed for its own answer to Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, the social media-savvy young left-wing Democratic congresswoman from New York.

The son of a local medical clinic director, he attended the University of Notre Dame and was planning on becoming a Catholic priest when he met his wife, Barbora, at an American Enterprise Institute seminar in Bratislava.

Mr. Hurd appears only peripherally in his first campaign ad, in which Barbora describes her journey to American citizenship after a childhood in Communist Czechoslovakia and warns that “we can’t take this freedom for granted” — a Reagan-revivalist pitch that also nods toward his concern about the risk of authoritarianism within his own party.

For some Colorado Republicans, the primary contest for her seat has become a proxy battle in the ongoing conflict within the party between an old guard of politicians and donors and the right-wing grass-roots activists that have come to dominate its state and county organizations — a fight in which 2020 election denial is a major dividing line.


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I really wish they’d quit calling it groping when his nads were OUT in the video.

It’s the same soft ass language around the insurrection, calling it a riot to have proceedings of congress interrupted by gun wielding maniacs, chanting to hang the VP, and smearing feces everywhere.

This would get an F from a good English teacher.

Professionally or morally?

Poorly written. Reader must assume subject person of each paragraph... Erratic jumps.

Seems that there are limits to how much nonsense the mainstream right will put up with from the MAGAT crowd.

I'm pretty sure she was done for as soon as her career as a sex worker got outed,

Especially after people started connecting dots that could be used to imply the party elites that recruited her may have been former clients.