/r/Conservative is going to save Reddit

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Man I blocked all right wing subreddits the day I signed up, been so nice not having to ever see or think about them.

Typical conservatives. Everyone else is fighting for the greater good and they've opted to selfish children.

It's so obvious that they are going for a traffic grab. The message is basically "post stuff that maximizes reach and doesn't scare off randoms". There are subs that decided to address the problem, subs that ignore the problem and then there is r/conservative who try to take advantage of the problem. So fitting.

Gotta admire their ingenuity in taking advantage of people.

Oh god, I shouldn't have looked. Their idea of free speech is posting obvious propaganda and shitting on minorities. Classic

Tbf, maybe a shitstorm of racist rants will make advertisers pull their ads, and start a bunch of bad press.

Maybe /r/conservative were playing 4D chess all along.

Or they'll start a prayer circle in hopes that a benevolent billionaire will buy it and remove the site wide rules so they can really wallow in their own filth. Which is more likely considering their version of 4D chess is flipping the board and making claims of actually being the winner.

Well it worked last time. Truthsocial.com is still up.

They'll just get the subreddit banned. I highly doubt Reddit admins want to bother fixing smaller subreddits when most people use the bigger subs.

Free speech on r/conservative does not include dissent. Celebrate terribleness, or it's the ban-hammer.

I don't think spez really likes conservatives, he edited a trump supporter post to make them look bad so I'm not sure why right-wingers are licking the boots of a left leaning person. They're owning the libs so hard, they're licking the boots of one? (What is the political view of spez, anyways?)

Is it possible they critical thinking and research ability?

What is the political view of spez, anyways?

He's a tech bro with pp envy towards those peers who flipped their startups for more than he did. He feels silly for having sold reddit for "only" 10 mil and wants reddit's IPO to springboard him into the deeper end of the pool.

I don't think there is a political view of spez, because I think he's just a wannabe Zuck, Dorsey, etc. His motive is cash.

Someone throw a padlock on that group to keep them in Reddit.

Please!

I'm all for freedom of speech, but I'm really irked by the lengths people go to just to be offensive.

r/conservative is also not a place for free speech. They ban people for asking questions.

I was banned for "promoting the party switch myth" when I pointed out that the Republican Party of the 1860s is not the same as the republican party of 2020.

It's like an alternative horrifying universe in that subreddit. It kept popping up in my feed and I eventually blocked it but not after letting it ruin my mood way too many times lol. Made me lose faith in humanity...

Yeah, that will teach them. People posting more memes will totally change Reddit's politics.

But it's at least in character. It's about the same stance the conservatives take to any important issue.

I like how they felt like they needed to specify twice that Reddit rules still apply. They sure know their audience.

Hey, you don't see me complaining they stay there and don't migrate to Lemmy. I'm pretty fine with that.

I realized that Lemmy being slightly more difficult to get started would mean that the user base will be smaller, but fewer low-effort people would make the switch, so it's really a plus.

I disagree. Us more tech-savvy people will come across, sure. But most people aren't. And they have hobbies and jobs too, and want a place to gather online for that.

I managed to figure out Lemmy, and I’m not tech savvy at all.

And that's fine. They will find their place. I'll take a smaller community of tech savvy and people willing to learn over a large community of toxic argumentative people. If you're not willing to learn something new it can be a reflection on how well you'll get along with other people. I don't care if someone is religious or what their political beliefs are but I am not interested in reading about how trans people need to be executed or how women should not have rights. I don't care to open my notifications and see some psycho's message saying I'm not doing my duty and God will punish me for not being interested in having kids. Many of these people go out of their way to verbally assault and threaten, triggered by something as simple as gay people exosting. It's exhausting. So I do hope that Lemmy doesn't become reddit. I hope it filters the best of what we had at reddit regardless of where they're from and who they are, I enjoy discussions and conversation and points of view. I don't want to argue with someone who believes mixed race couples should be illegal.

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In a strange way reading /r/conservative since the mods took a holiday has been kind of fun. I've always checked that subreddit, even though I hated reading it most of the time, I always thought it important to see what the other side has to say. Some of their memes today have been funny, even for a lefty and in some way it's like a beautiful and surprising reddit farewell gift from the place I least suspected.

The special surprise is they got one of Trump's turds and they're all gonna split it

Boots ain't gonna lick themselves...

maybe if you pull them up by the bootstraps gently...

I wonder, will it be actual shitposting or will it just be them dropping the mask and calling that shitposting

It’s gonna be this. You will see the most racist and hideous stuff. And when called out „muh free speech“.

I mean, I kind of appreciate the fact that the mods decided to do this, because they know very well how this'll turn out. Letting such a rancid community out of leash while many of the wholesome communities are on a break is going to be a shitshow worth remembering, and just the kinda stuff that's going to drop Reddit stock in the eyes of advertisers.

With corporate, appealing to morals or ethical conduct is usually pointless. Hitting their potential evaluation though...

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  • „A special surprise is being constructed „

Would kinda be funny if the mods that run this sub are acutely lefties and the surprise would be a big fucking „GOT YOU“

Just sayin


I'm wondering what would happen if I posted some of MY memes, but I'm not breaking the picket line for that :p

Ha, just post as much communism posts and atheists memes. Their little minds will break.

Oh my, if they were really brave they would un-ban all the supposed liberals that ever slightly ruffled their feathers.

Its not like leftist subreddits never banned Slight opposed viewpoints from conservatives. Both sides are bad when it comes to censorship

I feel like there's a difference between being banned for "this country was built by immigrants" or "racism and nazis are bad" and "vaccines are Satan's poison" and "trans people need to be eradicated".

In my experience while the amount of moderating done was comparable, the actual content that got removed was different.

In left spaces you would often see people with conservative opinions getting banned and deleted... After they started saying slurs or insulting people. Some people would argue that whether or not something is considered a slur or an insult is a difference in political opinion, but those kinds of things are already against the reddit site-wide rules so it's moot.

In places like r/conservative, people would get banned for being aggressive and insulting people, but also for ever presenting an opinion that isn't strictly in line with modern conservatism. The moderators of that subreddit used bans to remove any and all dissent no matter how severe or mild.

That sub in particular is just notable for banning people for even mild "offenses". I found a post from it on r/all and asked a comment for a source on a claim they made and got permabanned for it calling me a troll.

I worded it as "Damn, haven't heard that. Where can I learn more? " and got banned for "concern trolling"

Sounds like you got banned because your perfect grammar gave away your political leanings.

mUh BoTh SIdEs!!!11one!!

The difference is you get banned from the conservative subreddits for questioning them about trivial bullshit and from the liberal subreddits for denying people their existence.

That's really only balanced truth if we're comparing rank-and-file conservative subs with the most extreme alt-left subs that even most leftists avoided. If you gotta compare r/conservative to r/latestagecapitalism, that says everything.

The rest of the time, you got r/conservative banning people for "maybe Jews aren't part of a conspiracy to kill everyone" comparing with r/liberals banning people for saying that they should be thrown out of a helecopter

This is true to an extent, however from my experience, leftist subs are much more lenient on discourse if it isn't blatantly abrasive or offensive or trolling.

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I don't understand the mentality behind this. Is it just a case of "They're doing a thing so we'll do the opposite"? What exactly is the goal here?

Opportunism - they just want to profit from the black out to push their own sub. As often, the conservative principles (or in this case rules) are not so important if you can gain any success by ignoring them.

undefined> “They’re doing a thing so we’ll do the opposite”

That's their gameplan most of the time.

That's pretty much been the entire conservative movement's MO for 30 years now.

Reactionary contrarianism is basically the conservative’s signature move.

I see you're not familiar with American conservatives. This is how they operate. They're just not always so open.

I do, they’re fucking stupid

I don't hate it. I'm sure some truly vile shit will get posted. Might be enough to get them banned off the site lol.

Again? The real nutballs went off to form patriots.win, after they hilariously lost their preferred domain name in an act of negligence (and/or ignorance.) I could see them pulling the same trick again, forming up a Lemmy node that no one else would federate with a 10' pole.

feel free to shit post starting tomorrow

It's funny because they're implying that the whole sub isn't just shitposts to begin with.

They post shit, not shitposts. Conservatives add nothing to a conversation.

What?!? You don’t think a link to a youtube channel with a Roman bust as their avatar screeching about “muh collapse of western society” is a valuable contribution?!?

The fascists ability to appropriate cool things makes be so sad and frustrated. I love history and Roman history in particular. They are so familiar as humans but at the same time alien in their views if society and the world. Makes it really fascinating.

nazis poison everything they touch

For a brief period of time I was on a place on Reddit where new users could get help finding their way around the site.

Someone shows up there and says, "I'm not sure why I'm even on this libt++d communist site, nobody here will respect the way any good conservative American thinks."

I'm thinking, OK, snowflake, don't melt so hard from being a victim, but I responded with, "You might try /r/Conservative, and I can ask their moderators if they have any other suggestions."

I did so: I sent the moderators of /r/Conservative a message explaining what I was looking for and asking for any advice they might have for this new user. The response I got back was, "LOL, F+++ off."

Lovely, lovely people there.

(100% that good conservative American was on the libt++d communist site for the free porn.)

Yeah I tried a few good faith attempts there. People would post asking why there was "no evidence of x" or why "this has never happened" or why "liberals are too afraid to answer y". So I'd link a news article, or a summary of the argument they were asking about.

I think I ended up getting 6 different accounts banned before I gave up.

edit: Also kind of funny how often they'd brag about never banning anyone, while being one of the most ban-happy subs on the platform.

I got banned because I called healthcare, daycare, education, and paternity leave "pro-life" measures.

Granted, I didn't belong there, but I tried to regularly converse in good faith... which they never really deserved anyway.

I had something similar happen to me in r/republican. Pre-Trump, it actually wasn't a bad subreddit. You could have relatively civil discussions in there. I often used it to see and ask how Republicans/Conservatives thought about various things. I always tried to be respectful, understanding that that the wasn't "my sub." I flaired myself with a 'D' or something so it'd be obvious that I wasn't hiding and trolling. Had some OK discussions in there the few times I'd dare to chime in.

But it changed once Trump started running. I once was having a civil discussion with a user, trying to understand their take, and ended up linking to an article from a large, mainstream publication, to show what I was talking about.

I was banned with no comment. When I politely asked mods what I did wrong and if I could be unbanned if I promised to not do whatever I did again, I got the message: "Don't link liberal sources." And it wasn't a liberal source! Just something not from Fox or wherever. From then on, I could lurk, but I could never comment.

And the mods got crazier. I'd see that they'd remove comments and ban anyone, even Republicans, who spoke out against Trump. At that point, there was no reason to go there anymore.

nobody doubted that the worst of reddit would take over after we left

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This is exactly what happened to DIGG* and what's currently happening to twitter.

Conservatives get beaten down by the vast majority of users and get a chip on their shoulder. Then as the site starts to die and the users move elsewhere conservatives jump on the sinking ship and declare their the new captain. They start drilling holes in the sinking ship cause theres nkthing else to do, and eventually realize the echo chamber sucks and then move on to the other social networks that everyone else went to, and the process repeats.

I hope with federation that the cycle doesn't repeat but we'll see.

  • DIGG made their big DIGG 4.0 change to overhaul the algorithm because it was being gamed and brigaded by members of conservative forums at the time. It just so happened they did it with a user interface overhaul. For a while, after most everyone moved to reddit, the top posts were mostly conservative stuff.

Then as the site starts to die and the users move elsewhere conservatives jump on the sinking ship and declare their the new captain. They start drilling holes in the sinking ship cause theres nkthing else to do,

This is a really clever metaphor. Someone with the skills needs to draw it in the style of a political cartoon from the 1910-20s.

(Also, I saw a great quote somewhere about how conservatives destroy things because they don’t have the capacity to build. Your “drilling holes” reminded me of that.)

They’re doing the same thing that Republicans in Congress are doing/proposing: gerrymandering and raising the voting age. Conservatism is at odds with democracy.

Makes sense. I caught a bit of late Slashdot then went RSS to news sources for a while, then Reddit. I didn't have informed and fleshed out view of the political spectrum at that time to notice. Maybe I've gobbled up some shit that I had to undo later. This reminds me that I miss the Slashdot comment labels. A FOSS platform like Lemmy could be a place to experiment with it.

So a corporate douche CEO wants to screw over their own userbase in the name of money alone and they are 100% onboard with opposing the boycott/protest...

...but are perfectly fine harassing and threatening stock workers at Target over Pride Month displays, outright absurd-levels of "boycotting" because of a limited-edition can with Bud Light, and the whole Chick-Fil-A DEI hire?

One would think that a platform killing third party apps and forcing consolidation of users into their app would set some alarms off in the minds of the "we freedom oorah come and take it" party. Unfortunately they don't even pretend to match the branding on the tin.

Well, no. See, it’s a private corporation doing this. In the pursuit of money. So they can’t be wrong. Jesus said so in the Bible.

Always needing to be the contrarian, no matter the subject or how it may hurt them as well.

People are shitting on this but have no problem with r/interestingasfuck and r/perfectlycutscreams doing the exact same thing

Wow, absolutely nobody in here gets what they’re doing and just wants to shit on “conservatives”. What they’re doing is what the other mods should also be doing - mod strike! Take down the barriers and let Reddit get overrun with bots, spam, and low-effort posts. If every sub did that instead of the weak-ass “dark for two days guise!” Reddit management would fold immediately.

With this two-days-dark plan, management thinks (correctly?) that they can just wait it out and they win. And they’re probably right. No competent strike ever gives a deadline and expects it to work, that’s absurd. The smarter subs have at least said “at least two days, then we’ll reassess” - that’s the better approach, keep it open-ended.

But the best approach is what /r/conservative seems to be doing, which is just put down their tools and walk the fuck away. Reddit management would have literally no response to that approach if it was the approach taken site-wide.

But whatever, keep shitting on the nazis.

Why in the world would we do anything less than shit on the Nazis?

My grandpa did espionage for the US AF back in ww2 against the nazis while he was stationed in Europe. If he were alive to see his political affiliations become the nazi party he would have had a mental break. We need to start putting reruns of bugs bunny against the nazis on TV again. Maybe dust Harrison Ford off one more time for a geriatric final fight against the nazis lol!

Lmao homie really said “whatever, keep shitting on the nazis” like it was some kind of gotcha.

We will, and we don’t need your permission.

Except that‘s not what they are doing. They are still going to enforce reddit tos. Bootlickers. That‘s essentially all reddit cares abou anyway.

Agreed. I'll keep shitting on the Nazis.

But seriously, your post makes some strong assumptions with nothing to back them up. For example that depriving advertisers from impressions from a shit ton of users (due to the missing content) and therefore depriving Reddit from that revenue would hurt less than leaving those impressions but attach more garbage content to the ads. If anything, more enshittified platforms like Facebook and garbage media like Fox have proven that advertisers can live with quite a bit of shit around their ads. And so the assertion that this is some 4D chess move on the side of the Nazis doesn't hold water for me.

The time-limited strike argument is also flimsy. Nothing stops the mod community to do this again next week for longer or even indefinitely. The time limit doesn't guarantee Reddit that this won't happen again and for longer. And so I don't see how that's less scary than indefinite strike.

r/therewasanattempt is doing similar, on their own terms.

/r/anarchychess did it and only made it like a couple hours lol

Honestly, I don't care what what's left of reddit does. I'm done with it and I'm perfectly happy here. I have plenty of ways to get news and feel like it's better to check reputable sources instead of doomscrolling and skimming post titles. I need to use my brain more...

so i did cave in and open https://libreddit.kavin.rocks/conservative/new and i promise you all, if this was an ironic subreddit, i would've pinned this to my browser.

it's just too goofy right now and they're all so proud, i cant help but love it.

i hope they continue to "conserve" reddit LOL. @bumblefumble said it best:

"Nothing says conservative like being happy about big and sudden changes."

EDIT: replaced link with libreddit alternative

Nothing says conservative like failing to see the hypocrisy of your own ideology.

What if, and hear me out on this, you go and start posting a bunch of ai images of trump sucking Putin off. Just a thought.

I'd have to go back to spez's teat to do that. I'm no fooking kneeler