DeSantis says he would eliminate four federal agencies if elected president

kuontom@kbin.social to Politics@kbin.social – 57 points – DeSantis says he would eliminate four federal agencies if elected president
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Florida's Republican governor said he would seek to abolish the departments of Education, Commerce and Energy, as well as the IRS.

"If Congress will work with me on doing that, we'll be able to reduce the size and scope of government," he added. "If Congress won't go that far, I'm going to use those agencies to push back against woke ideology and against the leftism that we see creeping into all institutions of American life."

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DeSantis is telling everyone that he's going to destroy the United States, and you're all just sitting there.

I'm not gonna vote for him. He's not even a candidate yet. What should I be doing?

Laughing at Desantis’ ignorance or crying because republican voters are just as ignorant and eat that shit up.

Or my favorite… alternating between the two

Training and prepping. Historically, there's only been one way to stop fascist conservatism, and it's not something we are allowed to talk openly about until we're doing it.

Did the 6th of January insurrectionists do the right thing, given they believed they were fighting against an authoritarian government? Or should they have accepted the result of the democratic process even though they disagreed with it?

So when Hitler got voted in, the moral choice was to respect the democratic process and the completely legal murder of 12 million people. Got it

I agree in the event of a genocidal government, you throw them out, but obviously there needs to be a very high bar and a lot of safeguards to prevent partisan misuse. A losing Republican could claim a winning Democrat wants to conduct a genocide against unborn babies or something and the Jan6 insurrectionists would feel they were justified because of it.

What are the most damning pieces of evidence that Desantis will conduct a genocide if elected?

Should the 2016 election result have been overturned?

Making sure that all of the subhuman republicans around you are as uncomfortable as humanly possible. They live among us and far too many people tolerate them.

Not much can be done as of yet. The election season will really kick off in January, and short of hiring a hit squad, marching around with signs and getting screamed at/assaulted by rednecks doesn't really seem too effective. What would you propose?

Do the Florida sewer and septic sucking service workers have a union? Might be able to convince them to use their, ah “waste” from yet another school’s clogged septic tanks to, uh “fertilize” desantis’ yard.

He's polling worse than fucking RFK jr, he stands no chance. YoUr'Re AlL JuSt SiTtInG tHeRe! We're more than a year away from the general election, which he will never make it to because there are months of primaries before where Trump will assuredly win.

I love comments like this for the blatant lack of self-awareness that you're doing exactly what everyone else is.

While somehow finding a way to feel like you're better than.

He's polling a distant 2nd to trump believe it or not. Twice impeached, twice indicted traitorous trump is polling highest among R in their primary.

Wow. Commerce runs the weather satellites and Energy oversee nukes. Good luck with that.

I wonder if you asked him which departments oversee that if he wouldn't be able to answer, akin to Rick Perry forgetting what departments he would get rid of...

Not to mention Commerce regulates international trade and enforces sanctions. Most Federal agencies do far more than most people realize.

"If Congress won't go that far, I'm going to use those agencies to push back against woke ideology and against the leftism that we see creeping into all institutions of American life."

He keep saying shit like this and just once I would like him to explain HOW. WHAT POLICY? What, Ron, will you do that will "push back against leftism"? Tell me what you plan to enact.

HOW. WHAT POLICY? What, Ron, will you do that will "push back against leftism"?

Being mean to trans and gay people. That's the policy.

But that's my point. I want him to say that. I want him to explain his actual policy in uncoded terms.

Don’t forget black people. He was busy scrubbing away black history in Florida.

The government having money to operate is A WOKE LIBERAL AGENDA!!!

Irs. Married filing jointly is only available for male female couples.

Education is an easy one because we already saw what he wants to do with floridas system. Basically erase history and ban books.

I have a guess he also wants to copy Hungary's education system, which is not only barely functioning due to a total lack of replenishment of retired teachers, but also horribly whitewash Hungarian history.

Think the "states rights" thing was bad? Get ready to the "we never did X, yet we got punished for it" method of teaching history.

It's a threat. He is saying if congress does not get rid of federal agencies he is going to use Executive Orders to try to force policy he knows will piss people off. I don't think the policy really matters at this point.

It does though. Policy should be the only thing that matters. We need to force our politicians to talk about their actual plans, the actions they will actually take, the policies they will enforce.

Let me rephrase. He is saying "Get rid of these agencies or I'm going to fuck you with all of the power they give me."

My point is that the details of how he fucks you is not as important as the fact that he is going to.

We fundamentally disagree my friend. I know what you're saying and I disagree. The how is important. I want him, and all politicians, to be pressed on telling Americans how they're going to do these things. Tell Americans in no uncertain terms how their policies will impact them.

I want him, and all politicians, to be pressed on telling Americans how they're going to do these things. Tell Americans in no uncertain terms how their policies will impact them.

I 100% agree with you there.

I'm just concerned about getting distracted by the "or else" part of his statement when his real intention is getting rid of the agencies.

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Im too tired to give a witty comeback.

DeSantis is a fascist bitch

same. boring af. heard about some weird business. anti books is what i heard. Sorry, i am pro books.

I’m definitely pro library. Public libraries are awesome.

Ours has a living- seed bank of heirloom veggies, 3d printers, they do community events- including a Mongolian acrobatic circus (Friday-),sewing/quilting stuff. Oh and they have a lot of books … and that’s just off the top of my head.

He... does know what the IRS is, right? The way the federal government gets money. What, is he going to expect the treasury to print more money?

My guess (assuming he has any sort of plan at all)? Tax farming, Roman style.

Private tax collection companies bid for government contracts based on how much money they think they can extract from the populace. Any amount they manage to collect above that they keep as profit.

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Do I wish for a sane republicans or not. Doesn’t matter because one doesn’t seem to exist.

Never thought I’d miss McCain. At least he paid attention to reasoned arguments and tried a few himself.

OMFG what a fucking bozo. So what he's proposing (among other very dumb things...literally) is an energy infrastructure like Texas. That'll go over real well.

Texas would try to convince the average resident that 95 degrees in your house IS room temperature if they could get away with it.

"But if my room is that temperature, therefore that temperature is room temperature!"

edit: fixed markup

Funny enough I thought that's what room temperature was until I looked it up just now.

Colloquially, room temperature is a range of air temperatures that most people prefer for indoor settings. It feels comfortable to a person when they are wearing typical indoor clothing. Human comfort can extend beyond this range depending on humidity, air circulation and other factors. Food or beverages may be served at room temperature, meaning neither heated nor cooled.

It’s worse than that. The DoE’s main job is overseeing nuclear materials (not just nuclear power plants, but the entire nuclear weapon stockpile).

But why? What's wrong with the department of energy? We'd no longer be able to subsidize energy creation, we'd literally be paying 20x more for power for no reason. And these power agencies would have no reason to operate power grids or maintain them. The bill would default back to the US, because no one could afford electricity anymore.

And what's with the threat? How does someone weaponize the IRS against wokeness? How?! Is an IRS agent going to throw an excel spreadsheet at me if I wear a rainbow? What a moron thing to say.

Eliminate tax benefits for non male/female couples. He didn’t say that, but that would be a way.

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@kuontom During Rick Perry's short-lived presidential run, he said he wanted to eliminate 3 agencies but then forgot which ones they were. This is on the same level of stupidity

I was about to comment this as well. On top of that, I believe the Dept of Energy was one of the agencies he wanted to abolish and then ... Trump appointed him Sec of Energy! Womp womp

@HandsHurtLoL Yes that is right. Perry was appointed to DOE, the agency he wanted to abolish. Tillerson was installed at State so that he could dismantle it, which he did. All part of the Bannon "burn it down" theory of Government

@kuontom

That is one way to destroy the United States

I don't understand the end game here. I understand corporations trying to get more control, but you have less money and power if you're just ruling over ashes.

this anti-IRS position is not going away. my mom hates the IRS and feels victimized, (because she hasn't figured out her taxes)

The IRS owes my mom and most broke people a simple accounting,

It's too bad the Republicans keep voting to take away the IRS budget to allow them to pay your mom. Oh well, Republicans are essentially telling her and people that are owed money to go fuck themselves.

No they cut back the IRS so the can't put resources into complicated audits on rich people.

Or taking lobbying money from companies like HR Block to prevent changes to how taxes are done - ie, like a lot of the rest of the world where they send you a "does this look right?" report and you tick yes or no.

IIRC it's H&R Block and TurboTax that have given tons of cash to politicians to ensure the tax code is complicated, and that e-filing remains in their hands.

I remember there used to be a day where you could e-file 1040 long forms through the IRS without TurboTax or H&R Block. That ship sailed over 20 years ago.

What is he talking about? Department of Energy? They do all our nukes bro...

Nothing says "Small government" like banning drag shows, banning books, banning certain subjects from being taught in college (CRT and black history), telling women what they can and cannot do with their own bodies, going after Disney because they opposed your anti gay bills, etc....

He wants to make America into Gilead, waiting for him to announce he intends to create the department of Christianity.

Asked how he would replace the existing tax structure, DeSantis said he has “supported all of the single-rate proposals," referring to a flat tax.

A flat tax, a.k.a. taxing the people who can least afford it rather than the people who can most easily afford it. Cartoon villain shit.

You say "Department of Christianity" like it's a bad thing. Guess those public schools that you're so adamant to defend utterly failed you. This country was founded BY non-catholic Christians, FOR non-catholic Christians. The rest of you have just been tolerated for the longest time; which has turned out to be the biggest mistake this country has ever committed.

To be 100% clear, if I had the chance to jump into an alternate timeline where the United States stayed a Christian Theocratic Republic, I would. You Demonrats are the most unsufferable collection of Savages in the entire multiverse. And one day, the last of you will finally die and this country can become great again.

Extremely weak ragebait attempt.

I don't troll. I was 100% serious about that post. And if it pisses off any of you subhuman leftists, too bad. This isn't Reddit. I won't be censored here.

if I had the chance to jump into an alternate timeline where the United States stayed a Christian Theocratic Republic, I would. You Demonrats are the most unsufferable collection of Savages in the entire multiverse. And one day, the last of you will finally die and this country can become great again.

@Craynak_Zero a song for you

Why don't you take your abhorrent chistofascism somewhere it's wanted? Because it's not here. That's some projection, given that the ideology that's dying is yours. Just look at the demographic shift away from religious absurdity that's taking place in most developed countries. I look forward to seeing it in the dustbin of history with other irrational, hateful belief systems.

I would like to see you somehow make me go somewhere else. It's not going to happen. This isn't Reddit, and I can't be intimidated by the worthless text of a leftist subhuman.

The demographic shift is temporary, as leftists don't have kids. They only abort them.

You want to know what ideology will die off within 20 years though? Current leftist ideology, as it's nothing more then a Death Cult. Meanwhile, us on the right won't abort our kids. Instead, we'll raise our kids as good, Christian people.

The most satisfying part is you leftists don't even realize that your days are numbered. You mutilate and abort children, so your Death Cult can only reproduce by indoctrination of our people's children. And the parents of the United States are starting to fight back against the left. Meanwhile, all I have to do to get my children to be Christian is tell them the truth, all of it. They are more then smart enough to be able to tell that Christianity is the only way forward.

Edit: Really? You have to resort to call me a Nazi? That's not going to work on me. Your opinion of me is irrelevant. And more importantly, the use of a logical farcety proves that your losing the argument. A suggestion; instead of name calling, maybe you should do something useful, like learning to code or something.

Really? You have to resort to call me a Nazi?

No one called you a Nazi, this seems to be a classic case of projection.

It's not projection when the person links a crappy video about punching videos.

I suggest you don't try gaslighting me or insulting my intelligence like that again.

Congress would have to grant him Presidential Reorganization Authority to do what he's promising. The last president to be granted that was Reagan.

DeSantis is a facist fool with the personality of wet paper. He should never hold public office again.

I mean there is an argument to burning it all down and starting over but this ain't it lmao.

Before everyone starts jumping to conclusions I just want to start by saying Desantis is a toxic douche who I do not and will never support. Please hear me out though.

The worst thing about federal agencies is that the President can control them with Executive Orders. In other words, power granted to these agencies is power granted to whomever the President is.

Getting rid of them does mean that we lose many regulations in the short term but it gives the power back to Congress and the states (yeah I know some states are going to do stupid shit and Congress is going to sit around with their thumbs up their asses and take forever to enact policy to replace it).

Long term getting rid of federal agencies could actually help protect us should another tyrannical President be elected.

If you want an example of why executive power is dangerous just look at what Trump and Ajit Pai did to internet regulation after the FCC was given control of the internet in the name of net neutrality.

Okay it could help, but the US need to not crumble or turn into a christofascist state first (impossible)

Ron DeKlantis, not even hiding how much of a fascist fuck he is

though considering many of those agencies aid in politicians' ill-gotten wealth, that isnt going to go far

Came in to lurk, but it seems that so many subhuman leftists are here from reddit. Like, jesus christ, is there any politics forum were you demons haven't infiltrated and corrupted?

That said, Desantis is weak and cowardly. I would've voted for him if he had not proven that with those fake AI photos of Trump and Faucci. So, I guess he did me a favor there.

Lastly, get rid of the IRS. It's not even a real american agency.

So a right wing echo chamber is what you're looking for. Exploding Heads and Voat have got you covered for your daily feed of blind hatred, vitriol and detachment from reality. Most people do not subscribe to that way of thinking (as it's backwards, reductive and harmful to society) and thus they are "everywhere". Your average online user is not a conservative.

Several falsities with this statement here.

Starting off with the fact that the only blind hatred, vitriol, and detachment from reality that has existed in this country in the last 22 years has been solely and exclusively from the left. What worse is, for quite a while there, the so-called thought leaders of the right did nothing meaningful to stop them; and in fact consorted with leftist terrorists in congress, giving them concessions, and ignoring their duty to uphold the Constitution.

We of the right are not backwards. We believe in family, faith, hard work, objective truth, honesty, and integrity. We believe that by placing these values first and foremost in our lives, we make our own lives and those of our families better. The left believes in themselves, faithlessness, laziness, "no truth but power", deception, and self image. They, at best, only wish for everyone and everything around them to serve them like kings. They are worthless parasites. At worst, the left actively works to destroy this country. Just look at New York, LA, Chicago, Portland, and San Franscico and see nothing but homelessness, unsolved crime, rampant drug use, and defunded police. They are run by the left and will die off in the next decade the same way that Detroit did.

Saying something is reductive is meaningless, as that word has become nothing more than a leftist buzzword.

As for the right being harmful to society; newsflash there is no more society in this country because of the left. Gender has been rendered as meaningless, Religion is being openly criminalized, the Constitution is completely ignored, leftist policy has destroyed what value the dollar had, etc. There is no common united society in the states anymore. No one on the right in a right leaning honestly cares what happens to a leftist anymore. Some foreign country could invade tomorrow, and the right won't lift a finger to help if that invasion happened in New York, Illinois, or California. I know I sure as hell won't care.

The Real problem is that for 23 years, smart leftists infiltrated news organizations and slow drove people insane with fake stories. I can't explain leftist judges, because no one on the left is smart enough to understand how the law of this country works. The left is sure conniving enough to be politicians though. After all, they never do any work themselves so all they need to do is lie, extort, and blackmail whoever they need to while they just sit around.

One day soon, this will all change though. The political pendulum is going to swing so hard back to the right that it's going to break the entire cycle. Your average person is seeing the lawlessness and insanity that has completely consumed the left. And they are pissed. The Bud Light effect is proof of that. The left is living on borrowed time, and they know it. That's why they push for censorship. That's why they called everything racist. That why they mob, riot, loot, murder, and intimidate. And I can not wait for the right to completely take over. I only wished it had happened sooner.

Oh, and thank you for the suggestions. I'll be sure to visit.