And if you have read the books, you'd probably appreciate it more than I do, but it's the most in-depth takedown of a book, let alone a series of books, that I have ever read. Like paragraph by paragraph sometimes.
Oh geez I've been wondering about this for twenty years! I caught the first post or two as they came out, right as I was still in the thick of cultural Christianity but not really serious about it—later, as I began shuddering at what I had been, I idly wondered to myself about this series and whether it had continued, but never enough to actually go looking for it. Thank you for bringing it back to my attention!
No problem. I'm really tempted to start over again from the beginning, but it's such an epic website to go through.
I'm not religious anymore but I still think that was a really cool science fiction series.
I never was very religious before being an atheist but the books were entertaining popcorn between Sword of Truth and Wheel of Time releases. It also helped my mom was reading them so I didn't have to spend my money on the books. A lot of what I read at the time was because my mom read it.
Just for some context here. In the US, Christianity is everyday, more an identity than a religion. The "evangelicals" that support Trump overwhelmingly don't attend services, don't read the Bible, and don't pray unless they're in trouble. The evangelical movement has been cooped by the Republican party so thoroughly, that there isn't much difference between conservative politics and Christian belief in the average worshiper's mind. Christianity is the justification for having power, not the ethic of how to wield it.
I'm not playing "true Scotsman", or trying to define what a Christian ought to be. I'm just posting this for the people who are mystified at the disconnect between the teachings of Jesus and the support for regressive and hateful politics.
It's ironic that apotheoses of the individual, so central to modern conservative thought is antithetical to patriotism, faith, and family values.
I’m not playing “true Scotsman”, or trying to define what a Christian ought to be. I’m just posting this for the people who are mystified at the disconnect between the teachings of Jesus and the support for regressive and hateful politics.
I literally got called a communist by family members for actually acting the way they raised me, because apparently its communist to want to care about less well off people than yourself (and we weren't even doing that well to start with....)
Odd, I was evangelical for 20 years and I remember them being at church weekly at least. Catholics are more the kind who don't actually practice
Idolatry - trump has christians idolizing him and praying to him directly
Persecution of believers - he's telling christians he's tricked into following him that real medicine is bad and taking medication that gives them heart attacks and injecting bleach will save them
Pride, greed, wrath, envy, lust, gluttony and sloth... yep, every one.
Ticked every box of mine, tbh.
Pride - the Trump towers, how he talks about himself
Greed - he won't pay the contractors who did work for him just to save a couple dollars
Wrath - inciting violence, full page advertisements advocating the death penalty, says he loved to fight, any kind of fight, including physical.
Envy - obsessed with Hillary Clinton winning the popular vote , wants to be a dictator like the leaders of China and North Korea,
Lust - Trump is a rapist, and committed constant sexual harassment in the White House often.
Gluttony - obviously eats too much McDonald's and drinks too much soda, bottomless appetite
Sloth - avoided presidential duties to watch TV for hours, live tweets the TV he's watching for hours, is never prepared for meetings, delegates work and then takes credit for it.
Sloth - avoided presidential duties to watch TV for hours, live tweets the TV he’s watching for hours, is never prepared for meetings, delegates work and then takes credit for it.
Thanks for adding some detail to support my post. I thought about doing it but felt it might become overwhelming. Since you've done so already, I will add one more thing for Sloth. It's a weird one too. Trump believes that we are born with only so much energy and if you exercise you use it up and will die quicker.
After college, after Trump mostly gave up his personal athletic interests, he came to view time spent playing sports as time wasted. Trump believed the human body was like a battery, with a finite amount of energy, which exercise only depleted. So he didn’t work out. When he learned that John O’Donnell, one of his top casino executives, was training for an Ironman triathlon, he admonished him, “You are going to die young because of this.”
not prosecuting and jailing for rape is what normalizes rape.
/hair split
Apt username
Persecution of believers
What's the passage on that one? Could it mean trumpWorshippers persecuting people who actually believe in the kindness and support tenets of Christianity but who aren't [MAGAts || Christians]?
2 Timothy 3:12, taking about the end times, and it certainly could be interpreted that way:
"Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution."
No shit. Anyone not drunk on the Kool aid can easily see this, the dude is the devil incarnate, and an absolute moron.
I think there must be some subset of evangelicals that believes he is the antichrist, and is just trying to hasten Armageddon.
Fuck. That maths right. Very much.
Wait til you hear what the Evangelicals believe about the Jewish population occupying the holy land in relation to the Apocalypse...
Ok, I'll wait
Sounds like genocide?
Looks like it today... But I think that's a political factor in the US backing Israel today in spite of that genocide in progress.
Most evangelicals don't have the ability to thoughtfully do something they think is evil for the greater good. They think that stealing to save someone's life is a really tough problem. They just actually view him as the good guy.
points to Revelation to where the false prophet rises to unlimited power
Fuck.
Those red hats do seem to have a "mark of the beast" flair to them. They aren't the permanent mark indicated in Revelation 13:16, but I think if you wear it every day it may as well be.
I'm not a Christian, but his followers certainly are. I wonder how they don't see it?
The Bible also says the mark is required to do business, like buying food at the store. The similarities are interesting, but it's not like you can't apply many of them to other terrible leaders throughout history. And since Revelation is actually referring to Rome and Nero, it makes sense why the author is able to encapsulate the concept of "terrifying leader" so well.
But to your point, they don't see it, because like everything in religion, you can pick and choose what you like. That's why there's so many sects of Christianity, and why at least one scholar calls Trump's version "American Fundamentalism." Trump is the messiah they've been waiting for.
They don't see it, because they don't want to.
It's permanent in the sense that once someone sees you in it they'll never look at you the same.
Omg totally. It's like a brand. But not that kind, that it also is. Oh, snap. That's the etymology of the modern use of the word... Huh.. TIL as I type this....
But yeah, that describes how I viscerally respond to seeing it. They needn't have the rest of their face if it were a 666 on the forehead, it'd be all you see. Same w the hats now. Face is irrelevant. Hat says enough.
I think they don't see it because the people who support Trump and see him as a harbinger of prosperity are the same people who take the Bible at face value and are already of the belief that should the Rapture come tomorrow, they certainly won't be left below.
They believe in the wrathful God of the Old Testament, they are fundamentalists and they are a far cry from what good Christians can be. Should Jesus come tomorrow, these people would have him lynched as a pinko liberal, labeling him the antichrist.
They're not Christian because they have read the Bible and learned to love thy neighbor and become a righteous person, they are Christian because they have been told a lake of hellfire awaits those who don't accept Jesus and they were indoctrinated into the religion of Revelations. They've been fed the cherry-picked apples of knowledge by pastors with agendas and never challenged the version of God they were given.
Trumps persecution by the state and mainstream politics fuels this fire. Surely if he were the antichrist he would not have been challenged by the DOJ and "anti-christian" liberals. In their minds, his path to the white house, as a leader of men, parallels Jesus.
My mother calls him ‘a man for such a time as this’. She references god using a donkey to minister to Paul and says ‘god can use anyone’. She acknowledges he’s not a Christian but still believes he’s the anointed one to lead the country and has prophecies about him, including one about him being assassinated IIRC.
The book of Revelations is purely about the Romans and more specifically about Nero. His name was coded as the number of the beast. The evangelistic types have twisted the story to be about the end of times or some future anti-christ but it was all just code talk about the time they were living in. They defined what an anti-christ would be like because the Roman Emperors were the real deal.
Er, howabout nothing supernatural, just a dying narcissist?
False prophet? He seems more like the epitome of Satan. Except without the intelligence or logic.
Satan gave humans knowledge, while God punished all of humanity for attaining it. Satan wants you to love yourself and do the things that make you happy. God wants you to become an ascetic and live in subjugation to his desires.
Sounds more like the epitome of Yahweh than Satan.
Well I'm not religious and to me all of it is nonsense, so there's no actual god or satan or jesus. But to me, Satan would be the one who keeps you FROM knowledge and understanding, and the one who fills the world with misinformation.
Any god worth being called a "god" would want you to love yourself and do the things that make you happy. And that is not trump or his followers. They DO want you to live in subjugation to their desires. Call it by whatever name, it is inhumane and to me, it's insane to want trump back in public office.
The post above you was taking about the biblical Satan (for as much as there is any biblical consensus). Lucifer literally means light bringer, he brought enlightenment to humans and they were eternally punished for it.
Such a sad and disgusting concept, that humans should ever be punished for having gained enlightenment. Another reason I could never accept such horrifying ideas, what sort of god would allow that to be the case. That's terrible.
The main flaw in this article is that they're comparing Trump's book to God's book, and both were ghostwritten.
Been saying that for 8 years.
Any “Christian” who supports Trump will undoubtedly burn in Hell for… ** …an eternity
No big deal
No they won't, since hell is not real. But it's a useful idea created and perpetuated by the elite to keep the poors in line.
Don't do that, they are Christians. These people are the ugly side to Christianity, own it and fix it, don't push them off as "not real Christians" cause they very much are
They may think themselves to be “Christians”, however they are diametrically opposed to the teachings of Christ.
They will burn like dried cedar.
Duh, moving on
Isn't the false prophet supposed to be well-spoken and physically attractive, though?
He's the Anti-Christ in like every way. But he's white, so it's all good.
Yuck! At least Nicolae Carpathia from Left Behind was good looking and not an orange turd.
The three of us on Lemmy that get that joke are all ROLLING.
Confirmed.
I wished I didn't get it. But all that rot is behind me now.
I got the joke and I've never read a Left Behind book, but I have read much, but not all of-
https://www.patheos.com/blogs/slacktivist/2015/11/05/left-behind-index-the-whole-thing/
And if you have read the books, you'd probably appreciate it more than I do, but it's the most in-depth takedown of a book, let alone a series of books, that I have ever read. Like paragraph by paragraph sometimes.
Oh geez I've been wondering about this for twenty years! I caught the first post or two as they came out, right as I was still in the thick of cultural Christianity but not really serious about it—later, as I began shuddering at what I had been, I idly wondered to myself about this series and whether it had continued, but never enough to actually go looking for it. Thank you for bringing it back to my attention!
No problem. I'm really tempted to start over again from the beginning, but it's such an epic website to go through.
I'm not religious anymore but I still think that was a really cool science fiction series.
I never was very religious before being an atheist but the books were entertaining popcorn between Sword of Truth and Wheel of Time releases. It also helped my mom was reading them so I didn't have to spend my money on the books. A lot of what I read at the time was because my mom read it.
http://www.benjaminlcorey.com/could-american-evangelicals-spot-the-antichrist-heres-the-biblical-predictions/
I'll just leave this here.
Hear me out...
Just for some context here. In the US, Christianity is everyday, more an identity than a religion. The "evangelicals" that support Trump overwhelmingly don't attend services, don't read the Bible, and don't pray unless they're in trouble. The evangelical movement has been cooped by the Republican party so thoroughly, that there isn't much difference between conservative politics and Christian belief in the average worshiper's mind. Christianity is the justification for having power, not the ethic of how to wield it.
I'm not playing "true Scotsman", or trying to define what a Christian ought to be. I'm just posting this for the people who are mystified at the disconnect between the teachings of Jesus and the support for regressive and hateful politics.
It's ironic that apotheoses of the individual, so central to modern conservative thought is antithetical to patriotism, faith, and family values.
An evangelical leader is warning that conservative Christians are now rejecting the teachings of Jesus as "liberal talking points."
I literally got called a communist by family members for actually acting the way they raised me, because apparently its communist to want to care about less well off people than yourself (and we weren't even doing that well to start with....)
Odd, I was evangelical for 20 years and I remember them being at church weekly at least. Catholics are more the kind who don't actually practice
He really does check all the boxes.
Deception - committing direct electoral fraud, defamation, his nicknames, really everything he says is deceptive in some form to some degree
Promoting evil deeds - inciting violence, racism, normalizing rape
Idolatry - trump has christians idolizing him and praying to him directly
Persecution of believers - he's telling christians he's tricked into following him that real medicine is bad and taking medication that gives them heart attacks and injecting bleach will save them
I'm not Christian beeteedubs, just a fan of irony
https://www.benjaminlcorey.com/could-american-evangelicals-spot-the-antichrist-heres-the-biblical-predictions/
Woohoo, nice! Good post
Pride, greed, wrath, envy, lust, gluttony and sloth... yep, every one.
Ticked every box of mine, tbh.
Pride - the Trump towers, how he talks about himself
Greed - he won't pay the contractors who did work for him just to save a couple dollars
Wrath - inciting violence, full page advertisements advocating the death penalty, says he loved to fight, any kind of fight, including physical.
Envy - obsessed with Hillary Clinton winning the popular vote , wants to be a dictator like the leaders of China and North Korea,
Lust - Trump is a rapist, and committed constant sexual harassment in the White House often.
Gluttony - obviously eats too much McDonald's and drinks too much soda, bottomless appetite
Sloth - avoided presidential duties to watch TV for hours, live tweets the TV he's watching for hours, is never prepared for meetings, delegates work and then takes credit for it.
Thanks for adding some detail to support my post. I thought about doing it but felt it might become overwhelming. Since you've done so already, I will add one more thing for Sloth. It's a weird one too. Trump believes that we are born with only so much energy and if you exercise you use it up and will die quicker.
Apparently still and alive and running for Congress in AZ: https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/elections/2023/05/24/jack-odonnell-running-for-arizona-6th-congressional-district/70252344007/
Haha, that's a good one, thanks.
not prosecuting and jailing for rape is what normalizes rape.
/hair split
Apt username
What's the passage on that one? Could it mean trumpWorshippers persecuting people who actually believe in the kindness and support tenets of Christianity but who aren't [MAGAts || Christians]?
https://www.benjaminlcorey.com/could-american-evangelicals-spot-the-antichrist-heres-the-biblical-predictions/
Posted in another comment, way more specific.
2 Timothy 3:12, taking about the end times, and it certainly could be interpreted that way:
"Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution."
No shit. Anyone not drunk on the Kool aid can easily see this, the dude is the devil incarnate, and an absolute moron.
I think there must be some subset of evangelicals that believes he is the antichrist, and is just trying to hasten Armageddon.
Fuck. That maths right. Very much.
Wait til you hear what the Evangelicals believe about the Jewish population occupying the holy land in relation to the Apocalypse...
Ok, I'll wait
Sounds like genocide?
Looks like it today... But I think that's a political factor in the US backing Israel today in spite of that genocide in progress.
Most evangelicals don't have the ability to thoughtfully do something they think is evil for the greater good. They think that stealing to save someone's life is a really tough problem. They just actually view him as the good guy.
points to Revelation to where the false prophet rises to unlimited power
Those red hats do seem to have a "mark of the beast" flair to them. They aren't the permanent mark indicated in Revelation 13:16, but I think if you wear it every day it may as well be.
I'm not a Christian, but his followers certainly are. I wonder how they don't see it?
The Bible also says the mark is required to do business, like buying food at the store. The similarities are interesting, but it's not like you can't apply many of them to other terrible leaders throughout history. And since Revelation is actually referring to Rome and Nero, it makes sense why the author is able to encapsulate the concept of "terrifying leader" so well.
But to your point, they don't see it, because like everything in religion, you can pick and choose what you like. That's why there's so many sects of Christianity, and why at least one scholar calls Trump's version "American Fundamentalism." Trump is the messiah they've been waiting for.
They don't see it, because they don't want to.
It's permanent in the sense that once someone sees you in it they'll never look at you the same.
Omg totally. It's like a brand. But not that kind, that it also is. Oh, snap. That's the etymology of the modern use of the word... Huh.. TIL as I type this....
But yeah, that describes how I viscerally respond to seeing it. They needn't have the rest of their face if it were a 666 on the forehead, it'd be all you see. Same w the hats now. Face is irrelevant. Hat says enough.
I think they don't see it because the people who support Trump and see him as a harbinger of prosperity are the same people who take the Bible at face value and are already of the belief that should the Rapture come tomorrow, they certainly won't be left below.
They believe in the wrathful God of the Old Testament, they are fundamentalists and they are a far cry from what good Christians can be. Should Jesus come tomorrow, these people would have him lynched as a pinko liberal, labeling him the antichrist.
They're not Christian because they have read the Bible and learned to love thy neighbor and become a righteous person, they are Christian because they have been told a lake of hellfire awaits those who don't accept Jesus and they were indoctrinated into the religion of Revelations. They've been fed the cherry-picked apples of knowledge by pastors with agendas and never challenged the version of God they were given.
Trumps persecution by the state and mainstream politics fuels this fire. Surely if he were the antichrist he would not have been challenged by the DOJ and "anti-christian" liberals. In their minds, his path to the white house, as a leader of men, parallels Jesus.
My mother calls him ‘a man for such a time as this’. She references god using a donkey to minister to Paul and says ‘god can use anyone’. She acknowledges he’s not a Christian but still believes he’s the anointed one to lead the country and has prophecies about him, including one about him being assassinated IIRC.
http://www.benjaminlcorey.com/could-american-evangelicals-spot-the-antichrist-heres-the-biblical-predictions/
The book of Revelations is purely about the Romans and more specifically about Nero. His name was coded as the number of the beast. The evangelistic types have twisted the story to be about the end of times or some future anti-christ but it was all just code talk about the time they were living in. They defined what an anti-christ would be like because the Roman Emperors were the real deal.
Er, howabout nothing supernatural, just a dying narcissist?
False prophet? He seems more like the epitome of Satan. Except without the intelligence or logic.
Satan gave humans knowledge, while God punished all of humanity for attaining it. Satan wants you to love yourself and do the things that make you happy. God wants you to become an ascetic and live in subjugation to his desires.
Sounds more like the epitome of Yahweh than Satan.
Well I'm not religious and to me all of it is nonsense, so there's no actual god or satan or jesus. But to me, Satan would be the one who keeps you FROM knowledge and understanding, and the one who fills the world with misinformation.
Any god worth being called a "god" would want you to love yourself and do the things that make you happy. And that is not trump or his followers. They DO want you to live in subjugation to their desires. Call it by whatever name, it is inhumane and to me, it's insane to want trump back in public office.
The post above you was taking about the biblical Satan (for as much as there is any biblical consensus). Lucifer literally means light bringer, he brought enlightenment to humans and they were eternally punished for it.
Such a sad and disgusting concept, that humans should ever be punished for having gained enlightenment. Another reason I could never accept such horrifying ideas, what sort of god would allow that to be the case. That's terrible.
The main flaw in this article is that they're comparing Trump's book to God's book, and both were ghostwritten.
Been saying that for 8 years.
Any “Christian” who supports Trump will undoubtedly burn in Hell for… ** …an eternity
No big deal
No they won't, since hell is not real. But it's a useful idea created and perpetuated by the elite to keep the poors in line.
Don't do that, they are Christians. These people are the ugly side to Christianity, own it and fix it, don't push them off as "not real Christians" cause they very much are
They may think themselves to be “Christians”, however they are diametrically opposed to the teachings of Christ.
They will burn like dried cedar.
Duh, moving on
Isn't the false prophet supposed to be well-spoken and physically attractive, though?
His base thinks he is.
http://www.benjaminlcorey.com/could-american-evangelicals-spot-the-antichrist-heres-the-biblical-predictions/
Not necessarily, just that he's loud and brash.