Honestly, I'm surprised this didn't happen sooner. Emulating old hardware is one thing, but they have a current vested interest in their most recent console.
Still, Nintendo's lawyers can rub spurge on their eyes, and I hope the Yuzu devs find a great lawyer (or better yet, are safely hidden behind some kind of digital or geopolitical veil).
safely hidden behind some kind of digital or geopolitical veil
When will people learn that the safest place to develop a Nintendo emulator is Pyongyang?
I guess that depends on your definition of "safe"
Yeah, it has always felt like we had something we couldn't wish for or expect. And it's a much better experience than using an actual switch.
Sadly the only surprising thing about this is how long it took for Nintendo to do something, I guess they worked on having as good of a chance as they could.
“Nintendo sues” oh look it’s a day that ends in Y. The only person Nintendo isn’t dead set on suing is Nintendo.
Here’s you 937th remake of Super Mario Bros 2 that you can only rent, have a nice day.
And our online service is absolute trash but you’ll pay anyway to have a legal emulator until we also discontinue that for Super other garbage online service!
Don't forget that they will hide behind arbitration to avoid paying up for knowing seeking shoddy consoles/controllers.
Oh don't even get me started. Hall effect has been known since 1879, those JoyCons didn't use it because it was cheaper to use shitty graphite. They literally went the cheap ass route because they didn't even care.
That’s not even necessarily the issue. XBox and PS controllers also don’t use Hall effect. I’ve never had an xbox controller drift. You’d have to seriously abuse them for them to break. Nintendo isn’t just cheaping out on the tech but also on the build quality itself. But what do you expect from a company that sells a console that was obsolete when it was released, hardware wise. For the third time.
fuck Nintendo and their shitty buisness.
Emulators are not only good for preserving games, they are good for consumers - preserving their acess to games they own.
their "illegal" bullshit is just because they don't port their games to anything.
Nintendo can eat shit and learn how to port and sell their older titles as well
I wonder if they ever realise how much money they could make by releasing PC versions of their games.
Tears of the Kingdom is great, but I can't help but think how good it would look running in full 4K 60fps on a 55" OLED, with a controller that doesn't disconnect every five minutes.
As if Nintendo would actually do this. They'd do it like other Japanese developers 15 years ago: windowed 1280x720, no graphics settings, no keyboard support, no quit-to-desktop button.
I don't need to imagine it. I own the game and it looks like crap compared to it running on yuzu on PC. 4K 60fps is the way. Can't go back.
Any tips for eliminating the stutter, or increasing the smoothness of the emulation? I've got an i7-12700k, 4090, and 64GB of ram and it seems to struggle a bit.
I think that's just the shader caching being rendered isn't it? I know totk has some caching that can be pre downloaded but I believe it still is cached when you are running the game. I think it stabilizes after a bit but I had trouble getting ryujinx and yuzu working so I opted for the cemu (wii I) route.
They don't care about that, they want to move their consoles, that's why they're completely exclusive.
Chances are you don't have every other platform and buy games for your Nintendo console.
Oh shit, there's a working open source switch emulator out there? Thanks Nintendo!
Aaaaaaaand downloaded the source code, Windows Installer, and Linux installer. Thanks again Nintendo, I really can't express how thankful I am you brought attention to this!
There are two that work pretty well. Yuzu and Ryujinx. A while ago some games only worked on one or the other. Thanks to open source they both improved dramatically.
Wanna hear something funny? It works on steam deck
Mirrored it just in case something happens
Streisand effect in action. I am never going to buy anything Nintendo, because they're a dog-shit company. I hadn't realised a Switch emulator existed. Andddd... My wife would really like to play Pikmin 4.
There's actually two Switch emulators. Ryujinx is the other one.
I've tried both and they're both solid options.
Yep all you need to do is find a copy of the firmware (you actually can get the latest firmware from the internet archive) and the decryption keys (they're a little bit more difficult to find, can't remember where I got them from, but it took a long time for me to find a working download)
With today's announcement, I'm super happy you did this 4 days ago. Time to make a few clones myself.
Kinda happy to have saved it
So instead of making their games more easily accessible and re-releasing old games, which has been proven to reduce piracy and may even be profitable, they just throw money at a lawsuit attacking an emulator?
Don't forget good hardware too. The switch is an absolutely terrible hand held device. My hands cramp up nearly instantly trying to play on it.
I have purchased BOTW and TOTK for the switch, but I play them on my steam deck with YUZU Waaaay better experience.
Wait, how does that reduce piracy?
Ever heard of a small indie company called Valve?
Having a good service that's easily accessible and re-releasing games from older consoles (many of which people have been rallying for) = less of an incentive to pirate them. Obv it will still exist, but it'd be in less of a demand. I almost never pirate PC games since the vast majority of the ones I'm interested in are readily accessible, unless it's from a shitty AAA company like EA.
Nintendo is a shady company. When somebody improves their product all they care to do is destroy it and whoever supports it.
I pirated BotW and TotK and others
Which made my brother buy a Switch and TotK and Mario Kart and a Nintendo Online subscription and aaaa...
I did not know this, I will now go see if there is anything worth playing.
Mario + rabbids, pokemon legends, zelda:BOTW/TOTK (pick one they're both pretty similar and have their pros/cons), Mario Wonder, Mario Odyssey, Pikmin 4, Cadence of Hyrule (zelda spin-off of crypt of the necrodancer), zelda:links awakening remake, Mario rpg remake, and Bayonetta 2 (can also play on wii u emulator, 3 isn't as good)
I've been playing Mario Wonder and Mario RPG both are great and run very well. I tried BOTW but I think the framerate was capped at 30 and I couldn't figure out how to increase it
You need a 60fps patch for botw
TOTK if you were really into nuts and bolts. Otherwise BOTW. 😛
FWIW, the Switch is a fucking amazing console. Don't let the "but it isn't as powerful as my PS5" bros convince you otherwise. There are top notch games on Switch.
Yuzu is open source though so can't people who don't live in the US just fork it? Copyright laws are a lot for lax outside the US.
I litterly saw this and proceeded to download yuza
I don't even want to play any games on it right now
I just did it as a middle finger to Nintendo
Same
You know why I played the games on yuzu? It’s because the joycons suck and they are expensive to replace.
I did the stick drift repair on my own, but the L and R buttons are soldiered to the main board so it can’t be repaired.
I bought a right joycon on its own and then the next week the left joycon had the same issue.
I wasn’t going to spend about $90 for an unreliable controller when an entire steamdeck costs $500.
It really paints the picture that the controllers are way over priced how can they alone be 20% the cost of the entire steamdeck.
If Nintendo made decent joycons, then I would not be using Yuzu.
Additionally, I dumped my own games and keys, so they got their money and through some effort, I got a better experience.
I’d like to add that the joycons were not heavily used either.
Here is the latest stable build of Yuzu that I've got from 24 hours ago for anyone who wasn't able to download it in time.
It needs to work both ways then. Nintendo needs to pay for all the free advertisement that emulators provide.
Anytime I mess with an emulator and play an old game it triggers nostalgia. I then purchase new software and hardware from the company it belongs to.
This is some shady shit that Nintendo is pulling.
I totally bought stardew valley and recommened this game a bunch of times to people after "trying" it. In fact, I have bought it twice on PC, once on Switch, and on iOS.
The comments section here is pretty much an echo chamber of people defending Yuzu.
I'm a game dev and I think this case is more ambiguous. Emulators like Yuzu have the potential to make Switch piracy go mainstream.
You don't need to hack anything, you just follow a tutorial and google "yuzu keys", suddenly you can play all Switch games for free. And people don't need to be tech-savvy to do that. Nintendo would be stupid if they would just ignore this.
It doesn't help that the Tegra X1 is old, almost identical with other Nvidia chipsets and therefore easy to emulate on a PC.
Every single emulator has been like this for more than 20 years. Has it gone mainstream yet?
That's a good point actually. I would argue that most emulators didn't get good enough during the lifetime of the console, and even Yuzu isn't there yet. But you can see the potential, and that's threatening to Nintendo's business model.
I thought Nintendo's business model was going to make the Switch obsolete next year.
Maybe their next console will have a very similar hardware architecture and it will be easy to adapt existing Switch emulators?
They should sue Google, Microsoft and other search engine owners because they're facilitating piracy as well. They lead you to illegal software.
Meanwhile Ryujinx
Do they have a patreon? I think part of Nintendo’s extermination policy is “if you try to make money from it, it’s lost revenue, and we will murder you.” For example dolphin has been around forever, but always open source and without a patreon or the like
Just speculation, but there must be a reason why they target Yuzu but not Ryujinx. Maybe because Ryujinx is open source and there is nothing illegal in the code?
My guess is they are just tackling one thing at a time, and ryujinx is next on their chopping block. It’s entirely possible they’ve already sent cease and desist notices to to ryujinx
Gonna be real interesting how this plays out.
IANAL (and am not a lawyer) but the general takeaway of Sony vs Bleem was "emulation fine so long as you aren't using proprietary code". Hence why it is generally "find your own BIOS" and all that.
The nonsense about yuzu is facilitating piracy is going to be a mess. But I do wonder if Tears of the Kingdom is not going to be a problem. Because it was not at all hidden as to why Yuzu et al suddenly had a bunch of mysterious compatibility updates a day or two after the leaked roms went online.
Even the argument that the devs who worked on that had totally legit copies they got from Uncle Greg's Game Store on 2nd street might get into a mess if nintendo argues those weren't legitimately sold because they broke embargo date. And it is hard to argue those improvements were for people to play their own dumps.
So yeah. Gonna be real interesting (assuming this isn't just an attempt to legal fee yuzu to death). Because if I were to put on my day job hat: Doing ANYTHING based on pre-release material is a huge no no since they only had access to it because people violated contracts with Nintendo's distributors.
And... the more I look at this, the more I think the yuzu devs may have fucked it all up for the rest of us and it really depends on if nintendo's lawyers drill in on that or continue for the broad reaching stuff.
Can we just take a second to say what utter bullshit it is that "facilitating piracy" is so allowed to be an argument?
How are we in this wacky world where rights holders get to say "what you built allows piracy, we demand total control over you"
I mean, like it or not, piracy is incredibly dark grey (if not outright black) in the eyes of the law. Its one of the reasons there is such a strong focus on "abandonware" and "oh, this is about digital preservation" in the various circles. It doesn't fool anyone but it is at least a stronger protection than the old "Hey FBI. You aren't allowed to look at my DC++ share" folder that people had back in the day.
Why don't they sue PC manufacturers for producing the hardware that led to the emulator?
Why don't people sue gun manufacturers every time somebody is murdered? Or vehicle manufacturers each time an accident happens?
Suing Yuzu for piracy seems incredibly fucking stupid and nonsensical, but I'm sure the Neanderthals in the courtroom will side with Nintendo.
Why don't people sue gun manufacturers every time somebody is murdered?
Because gun makers lobbied congress to make it specifically illegal to do so. Even though unscrupulous practices by said gun lobby is responsible for probably hundreds of thousands of needless deaths.
Or vehicle manufacturers each time an accident happens?
They get sued for accidents caused by defects quite often.
Why don't they sue PC manufacturers for producing the hardware that led to the emulator?
This one is perfectly analogous to the Nintendo tomfoolery, though.
Suing Yuzu for piracy seems incredibly fucking stupid and nonsensical, but I'm sure the Neanderthals in the courtroom will side with Nintendo.
Happened with Mega and countless torrent sites so yeah, you're probably right 😮💨
Why don't they sue PC manufacturers for producing the hardware that led to the emulator?
This one is perfectly analogous to the Nintendo tomfoolery, though.
Not really. PCs aren't purpose build to run emulators, these emulators just happen to also work on them.
Emulators on the other hand are purpose build to circumvent anti piracy measures (which is illegal even for your own use), even if piracy may not be their primary intention.
Emulators on the other hand are purpose build to circumvent anti piracy measures
No, emulators are purpose built to allow you to play a game on another platform. That's literally what they're for.
Whether the game is legally purchased, pirated, shareware or abandonware is completely irrelevant to the purpose and function of an emulator.
Personally I have used emulators to play old Commodore 64/Amiga games from my childhood, ditto DOS games and one of the old Pokémon games to see what the fuss was about.
None of those games were available for purchase anywhere aka it was all abandonware and not piracy. I do my piracy with torrents of games meant for the PC like most people.
Btw, as someone pointed out elsewhere on this post, there's another good reason to use an emulator even for games available to purchase for the intended system: expensive peripherals that break and can't be fixed. Unlike some vastly superior ones made for playing on the PC.
If anyone or anything is facilitating piracy of Nintendo games on an enormous scale, it's the asinine anti-consumer policies of Nintendo themselves.
fuck me, yuzu was one of the emulators I was excited about
git clone https://github.com/yuzu-emu/yuzu.git
If the developers settle or lose the suit and have to take down the code, at least you'll still be able to compile all the old releases.
i'm afraid that if NoA wins this, console manufacturers might start slapping DRM into their consoles, and therefore making them (legally) unemulatable and potentially discouraging development of modern console emulation.
now sure, this is a piracy sub, but i'm not sure if the yuzu devs are keen into piracy...
i also wonder if there's any way to fight back. people who dump their legal copies are being screwed as well.
Well switch already have DRM. Except circumventing DRM for archiving purpose is totally legal. This lawsuit is groundless.
I know, it's a reddit link, but OP does a good job summarizing and providing sources.
Anyway, videogames are specifically called out. Essentially, if you're circumventing DRM for emulation for games that are still current and actively supported by their publishers/devs, it is not legal. However, if you're circumventing DRM to repair/troubleshoot/diagnose your console, that's kosher (whole right-to-repair stance). So it isn't completely black and white. Yuzu devs will have a tough case ahead of them depending on what all evidence Nintendo has gathered.
Yeah, you are right and I was somewhat misinformed.
That been said, yuzu isn't the one doing circumventing is it? It doesn't provide tools for dumping games or anything. It's just an emulator.
Correct, but we don't know what all has taken place over the years regarding Discord chats, forum posts, etc. where one of the devs might have accidentally incriminated themselves/the project. That's what I meant by it depends what kind of evidence Nintendo has gathered. I'm assuming there's a reason Nintendo waited as long as they have to go after them, seeing as Yuzu has been quite famous for a long time and it seems as of they're not also going after Ryujinx (or maybe they're not just yet?).
It is always morally correct to pirate nintendo products.
Fuck Nintendo
Honestly, I'm surprised this didn't happen sooner. Emulating old hardware is one thing, but they have a current vested interest in their most recent console.
Still, Nintendo's lawyers can rub spurge on their eyes, and I hope the Yuzu devs find a great lawyer (or better yet, are safely hidden behind some kind of digital or geopolitical veil).
When will people learn that the safest place to develop a Nintendo emulator is Pyongyang?
I guess that depends on your definition of "safe"
Yeah, it has always felt like we had something we couldn't wish for or expect. And it's a much better experience than using an actual switch.
Sadly the only surprising thing about this is how long it took for Nintendo to do something, I guess they worked on having as good of a chance as they could.
“Nintendo sues” oh look it’s a day that ends in Y. The only person Nintendo isn’t dead set on suing is Nintendo.
Here’s you 937th remake of Super Mario Bros 2 that you can only rent, have a nice day.
And our online service is absolute trash but you’ll pay anyway to have a legal emulator until we also discontinue that for Super other garbage online service!
Don't forget that they will hide behind arbitration to avoid paying up for knowing seeking shoddy consoles/controllers.
Oh don't even get me started. Hall effect has been known since 1879, those JoyCons didn't use it because it was cheaper to use shitty graphite. They literally went the cheap ass route because they didn't even care.
That’s not even necessarily the issue. XBox and PS controllers also don’t use Hall effect. I’ve never had an xbox controller drift. You’d have to seriously abuse them for them to break. Nintendo isn’t just cheaping out on the tech but also on the build quality itself. But what do you expect from a company that sells a console that was obsolete when it was released, hardware wise. For the third time.
fuck Nintendo and their shitty buisness.
Emulators are not only good for preserving games, they are good for consumers - preserving their acess to games they own.
their "illegal" bullshit is just because they don't port their games to anything.
Nintendo can eat shit and learn how to port and sell their older titles as well
I wonder if they ever realise how much money they could make by releasing PC versions of their games.
Tears of the Kingdom is great, but I can't help but think how good it would look running in full 4K 60fps on a 55" OLED, with a controller that doesn't disconnect every five minutes.
As if Nintendo would actually do this. They'd do it like other Japanese developers 15 years ago: windowed 1280x720, no graphics settings, no keyboard support, no quit-to-desktop button.
I don't need to imagine it. I own the game and it looks like crap compared to it running on yuzu on PC. 4K 60fps is the way. Can't go back.
Any tips for eliminating the stutter, or increasing the smoothness of the emulation? I've got an i7-12700k, 4090, and 64GB of ram and it seems to struggle a bit.
I think that's just the shader caching being rendered isn't it? I know totk has some caching that can be pre downloaded but I believe it still is cached when you are running the game. I think it stabilizes after a bit but I had trouble getting ryujinx and yuzu working so I opted for the cemu (wii I) route.
They don't care about that, they want to move their consoles, that's why they're completely exclusive.
Chances are you don't have every other platform and buy games for your Nintendo console.
Anybody can hate on them, but they know business.
Oh shit, there's a working open source switch emulator out there? Thanks Nintendo!
Aaaaaaaand downloaded the source code, Windows Installer, and Linux installer. Thanks again Nintendo, I really can't express how thankful I am you brought attention to this!
There are two that work pretty well. Yuzu and Ryujinx. A while ago some games only worked on one or the other. Thanks to open source they both improved dramatically.
Wanna hear something funny? It works on steam deck
Mirrored it just in case something happens
Streisand effect in action. I am never going to buy anything Nintendo, because they're a dog-shit company. I hadn't realised a Switch emulator existed. Andddd... My wife would really like to play Pikmin 4.
There's actually two Switch emulators. Ryujinx is the other one. I've tried both and they're both solid options.
Yep all you need to do is find a copy of the firmware (you actually can get the latest firmware from the internet archive) and the decryption keys (they're a little bit more difficult to find, can't remember where I got them from, but it took a long time for me to find a working download)
For the future and anyone else who reads this:
https://rentry.co/128bb
How do you do this? Just fork it? I don't know much about GitHub (and alternatives)
Don't just fork it, otherwise if they take down the original repo, your fork will also go down.
Download a full copy of the repo and host it yourself (on your GitHub account or GitLab, Bitbucket, etc.).
Imported it from github into my own Forgejo instance
At least you're from the country where DMCA abuse can't apply.
https://github.com/pineappleEA/pineapple-src
This is worth mirroring as well.
Done
With today's announcement, I'm super happy you did this 4 days ago. Time to make a few clones myself.
Kinda happy to have saved it
So instead of making their games more easily accessible and re-releasing old games, which has been proven to reduce piracy and may even be profitable, they just throw money at a lawsuit attacking an emulator?
Don't forget good hardware too. The switch is an absolutely terrible hand held device. My hands cramp up nearly instantly trying to play on it.
I have purchased BOTW and TOTK for the switch, but I play them on my steam deck with YUZU Waaaay better experience.
Wait, how does that reduce piracy?
Ever heard of a small indie company called Valve?
Having a good service that's easily accessible and re-releasing games from older consoles (many of which people have been rallying for) = less of an incentive to pirate them. Obv it will still exist, but it'd be in less of a demand. I almost never pirate PC games since the vast majority of the ones I'm interested in are readily accessible, unless it's from a shitty AAA company like EA.
Nintendo is a shady company. When somebody improves their product all they care to do is destroy it and whoever supports it.
I pirated BotW and TotK and others
Which made my brother buy a Switch and TotK and Mario Kart and a Nintendo Online subscription and aaaa...
Piracy increases sales, goddammit. Literally free advertising.
I never really wanted to pay any Switch games in general, but any one got a good source for roms?
ziperto.
I did not know this, I will now go see if there is anything worth playing.
Mario + rabbids, pokemon legends, zelda:BOTW/TOTK (pick one they're both pretty similar and have their pros/cons), Mario Wonder, Mario Odyssey, Pikmin 4, Cadence of Hyrule (zelda spin-off of crypt of the necrodancer), zelda:links awakening remake, Mario rpg remake, and Bayonetta 2 (can also play on wii u emulator, 3 isn't as good)
I've been playing Mario Wonder and Mario RPG both are great and run very well. I tried BOTW but I think the framerate was capped at 30 and I couldn't figure out how to increase it
You need a 60fps patch for botw
TOTK if you were really into nuts and bolts. Otherwise BOTW. 😛
FWIW, the Switch is a fucking amazing console. Don't let the "but it isn't as powerful as my PS5" bros convince you otherwise. There are top notch games on Switch.
Yuzu is open source though so can't people who don't live in the US just fork it? Copyright laws are a lot for lax outside the US.
I litterly saw this and proceeded to download yuza
I don't even want to play any games on it right now I just did it as a middle finger to Nintendo
Same
You know why I played the games on yuzu? It’s because the joycons suck and they are expensive to replace.
I did the stick drift repair on my own, but the L and R buttons are soldiered to the main board so it can’t be repaired.
I bought a right joycon on its own and then the next week the left joycon had the same issue.
I wasn’t going to spend about $90 for an unreliable controller when an entire steamdeck costs $500.
It really paints the picture that the controllers are way over priced how can they alone be 20% the cost of the entire steamdeck.
If Nintendo made decent joycons, then I would not be using Yuzu.
Additionally, I dumped my own games and keys, so they got their money and through some effort, I got a better experience.
I’d like to add that the joycons were not heavily used either.
Here is the latest stable build of Yuzu that I've got from 24 hours ago for anyone who wasn't able to download it in time.
It needs to work both ways then. Nintendo needs to pay for all the free advertisement that emulators provide.
Anytime I mess with an emulator and play an old game it triggers nostalgia. I then purchase new software and hardware from the company it belongs to.
This is some shady shit that Nintendo is pulling.
I totally bought stardew valley and recommened this game a bunch of times to people after "trying" it. In fact, I have bought it twice on PC, once on Switch, and on iOS.
The comments section here is pretty much an echo chamber of people defending Yuzu. I'm a game dev and I think this case is more ambiguous. Emulators like Yuzu have the potential to make Switch piracy go mainstream. You don't need to hack anything, you just follow a tutorial and google "yuzu keys", suddenly you can play all Switch games for free. And people don't need to be tech-savvy to do that. Nintendo would be stupid if they would just ignore this. It doesn't help that the Tegra X1 is old, almost identical with other Nvidia chipsets and therefore easy to emulate on a PC.
Every single emulator has been like this for more than 20 years. Has it gone mainstream yet?
That's a good point actually. I would argue that most emulators didn't get good enough during the lifetime of the console, and even Yuzu isn't there yet. But you can see the potential, and that's threatening to Nintendo's business model.
I thought Nintendo's business model was going to make the Switch obsolete next year.
Maybe their next console will have a very similar hardware architecture and it will be easy to adapt existing Switch emulators?
They should sue Google, Microsoft and other search engine owners because they're facilitating piracy as well. They lead you to illegal software.
Meanwhile Ryujinx
Do they have a patreon? I think part of Nintendo’s extermination policy is “if you try to make money from it, it’s lost revenue, and we will murder you.” For example dolphin has been around forever, but always open source and without a patreon or the like
EDIT:
Answered my own question
RIP
https://www.patreon.com/ryujinx
Just speculation, but there must be a reason why they target Yuzu but not Ryujinx. Maybe because Ryujinx is open source and there is nothing illegal in the code?
Edit: A word.
But yuzu is open source as well: https://github.com/yuzu-emu/yuzu
My guess is they are just tackling one thing at a time, and ryujinx is next on their chopping block. It’s entirely possible they’ve already sent cease and desist notices to to ryujinx
Gonna be real interesting how this plays out.
IANAL (and am not a lawyer) but the general takeaway of Sony vs Bleem was "emulation fine so long as you aren't using proprietary code". Hence why it is generally "find your own BIOS" and all that.
The nonsense about yuzu is facilitating piracy is going to be a mess. But I do wonder if Tears of the Kingdom is not going to be a problem. Because it was not at all hidden as to why Yuzu et al suddenly had a bunch of mysterious compatibility updates a day or two after the leaked roms went online.
Even the argument that the devs who worked on that had totally legit copies they got from Uncle Greg's Game Store on 2nd street might get into a mess if nintendo argues those weren't legitimately sold because they broke embargo date. And it is hard to argue those improvements were for people to play their own dumps.
So yeah. Gonna be real interesting (assuming this isn't just an attempt to legal fee yuzu to death). Because if I were to put on my day job hat: Doing ANYTHING based on pre-release material is a huge no no since they only had access to it because people violated contracts with Nintendo's distributors.
And... the more I look at this, the more I think the yuzu devs may have fucked it all up for the rest of us and it really depends on if nintendo's lawyers drill in on that or continue for the broad reaching stuff.
Can we just take a second to say what utter bullshit it is that "facilitating piracy" is so allowed to be an argument?
How are we in this wacky world where rights holders get to say "what you built allows piracy, we demand total control over you"
I mean, like it or not, piracy is incredibly dark grey (if not outright black) in the eyes of the law. Its one of the reasons there is such a strong focus on "abandonware" and "oh, this is about digital preservation" in the various circles. It doesn't fool anyone but it is at least a stronger protection than the old "Hey FBI. You aren't allowed to look at my DC++ share" folder that people had back in the day.
Why don't they sue PC manufacturers for producing the hardware that led to the emulator?
Why don't people sue gun manufacturers every time somebody is murdered? Or vehicle manufacturers each time an accident happens?
Suing Yuzu for piracy seems incredibly fucking stupid and nonsensical, but I'm sure the Neanderthals in the courtroom will side with Nintendo.
Because gun makers lobbied congress to make it specifically illegal to do so. Even though unscrupulous practices by said gun lobby is responsible for probably hundreds of thousands of needless deaths.
They get sued for accidents caused by defects quite often.
This one is perfectly analogous to the Nintendo tomfoolery, though.
Happened with Mega and countless torrent sites so yeah, you're probably right 😮💨
Not really. PCs aren't purpose build to run emulators, these emulators just happen to also work on them.
Emulators on the other hand are purpose build to circumvent anti piracy measures (which is illegal even for your own use), even if piracy may not be their primary intention.
No, emulators are purpose built to allow you to play a game on another platform. That's literally what they're for.
Whether the game is legally purchased, pirated, shareware or abandonware is completely irrelevant to the purpose and function of an emulator.
Personally I have used emulators to play old Commodore 64/Amiga games from my childhood, ditto DOS games and one of the old Pokémon games to see what the fuss was about.
None of those games were available for purchase anywhere aka it was all abandonware and not piracy. I do my piracy with torrents of games meant for the PC like most people.
Btw, as someone pointed out elsewhere on this post, there's another good reason to use an emulator even for games available to purchase for the intended system: expensive peripherals that break and can't be fixed. Unlike some vastly superior ones made for playing on the PC.
If anyone or anything is facilitating piracy of Nintendo games on an enormous scale, it's the asinine anti-consumer policies of Nintendo themselves.
fuck me, yuzu was one of the emulators I was excited about
git clone https://github.com/yuzu-emu/yuzu.gitIf the developers settle or lose the suit and have to take down the code, at least you'll still be able to compile all the old releases.
i'm afraid that if NoA wins this, console manufacturers might start slapping DRM into their consoles, and therefore making them (legally) unemulatable and potentially discouraging development of modern console emulation.
now sure, this is a piracy sub, but i'm not sure if the yuzu devs are keen into piracy...
i also wonder if there's any way to fight back. people who dump their legal copies are being screwed as well.
Well switch already have DRM. Except circumventing DRM for archiving purpose is totally legal. This lawsuit is groundless.
Circumventing DRM for archiving is not totally legal in all circumstances: https://www.reddit.com/r/emulation/comments/9rfezi/us_copyright_office_gives_the_okay_to_circumvent/
I know, it's a reddit link, but OP does a good job summarizing and providing sources.
Anyway, videogames are specifically called out. Essentially, if you're circumventing DRM for emulation for games that are still current and actively supported by their publishers/devs, it is not legal. However, if you're circumventing DRM to repair/troubleshoot/diagnose your console, that's kosher (whole right-to-repair stance). So it isn't completely black and white. Yuzu devs will have a tough case ahead of them depending on what all evidence Nintendo has gathered.
Yeah, you are right and I was somewhat misinformed.
That been said, yuzu isn't the one doing circumventing is it? It doesn't provide tools for dumping games or anything. It's just an emulator.
Correct, but we don't know what all has taken place over the years regarding Discord chats, forum posts, etc. where one of the devs might have accidentally incriminated themselves/the project. That's what I meant by it depends what kind of evidence Nintendo has gathered. I'm assuming there's a reason Nintendo waited as long as they have to go after them, seeing as Yuzu has been quite famous for a long time and it seems as of they're not also going after Ryujinx (or maybe they're not just yet?).
It is always morally correct to pirate nintendo products.
Or anything by megacorps in general really