I wonder if there's a way to obscure IPs on the side of a torrent tracker. Like an inverse VPN.
Tbh though, I feel like in this day and age they're gonna have a hard time cracking down on torrents. VPNs are easier to use and more accessible than ever. Just remember to recommend VPN usage when someone asks about trackers, torrent programs, etc.
Edit: also this is pure bullshit, I can't believe anyone actually believes this in this day and age:
In his speech on Tuesday, Rivkin highlights what a major problem piracy in the US has become, saying it costs “hundreds of thousands of jobs” and “more than one billion in theatrical ticket sales.”
Pretending it actually does hurt ticket sales, you know damn well companies wouldn't use the money to hire more people, Rivkin. They'd use the money to find new ways of cutting costs, aka jobs.
I'm down 6 trilly in sales. I'm not selling anything but its the potential that counts.
If someone actually want to see the movie in a theater, they are going to buy a ticket since watching a shaky cell phone recording is in no way comparable to actually watching a movie on the big screen.
Who the hell is still watching cam rips?
I don't know. I watched about 5 minutes of one once before deleting it and never downloaded another cam after that. Obviously the MPA thinks a lot of people are watching them if they are still whining about it.
That's pretty much all you can find while a movie is in first run. Most sites I know of will actually delete prerelease movies (that aren't cam rips) because they bring too much negative attention.
I remember watching The Purge in a movie theater with my dad. After the movie, i found out from my friend there was already a rip (clear copy) in torrent sites.
I'm not sure if my country (in SEA region) is just slower in releasing movies compared to the west or if the movie is just not good in theaters so theres already dvd for it.
Absolutely no one.
Impatient kids mostly if I had to guess
Also, they just translate estimated number of downloads to potentially sold tickets 1:1 (they always have). As if a pirate would actually watch all that shit if they had to pay for it. Many probably even don't after download (like Steam games on sale).
Especially if it's torrents on private trackers where you download stuff you don't want just to build up ratio
Trackers that make users do that are plainly scams. Probably run by the mpaa to slow down piracy.
It creates a deadlock where nobody dowloads and nobody uploads. 500 seeds terabytes wasted, sitting with idle internet connections, nobody downloading.
Trackers that make users do that
You mean all private trackers?
I'm leaving space for the possibility that some of them aren't run by the average zero sum idiots that plague the internet and real life. But probably yes, all private trackers I've wasted my time joining, have been this kind of stupid shit, resource and time wasting shit.
Public trackers are far far superior and the only source of torrents to grace my seedboxes.
You don't know what you're missing, good private trackers are much, much better.
glances at my 8TB drive of which maybe 10-20% actually has been watched...
How did you know how much of my media I’ve actually watched?
People who watch literal recordings of movies from inside a movie theater are psychopaths who really, really don't care about quality. I highly doubt they are the target audience of movie ticket sales.
I buy movie tickets and I also watch cams. Sometimes I watch before, because I can't make it to the theater yet, sometimes afterwards so I can have a repeat watch. Sometimes I watch and the movie is trash, so I save money to spend on a different one. Sometimes the cam rips aren't good enough to watch, other times, they are near DVD quality.
I have been watching cams and going to the movie theater since the 90s and I doubt that will change, but I never understand the hatred aimed at people who watch cams. Why bash on people who are enjoying something that you do not?
At this point it's just a meme. I mean I definitely don't get it, but I have nothing against you as a person lol.
As we've seen the past couple years companies NEVER fire people! UNLESS people are STEALING their Products!
Trackers already do this. It's impossible to actually hide your IP without a proxy. Trackers insert fake/random IPs into the list. DMCA requests require the requesting party to actually download a chunk of data successfully because of it.
I wonder if there's a way to obscure IPs on the side of a torrent tracker. Like an inverse VPN.
The torrent protocol is peer-to-peer, all clients connect directly to each other. The tracker is just there to tell how clients to connect to each other, and that requires IP addresses.
I don’t think that’s true for I2P torrents; there are a number of hops between you, the tracker and peers.
It is far more convenient to pirate than to buy media legally, due to the extreme and purposeful fragmentation of streaming services and their constantly changing libraries. If you want people to pirate less, make your service(s) competitive.
Not just competitive but available without platform limitations and special streaming contracts. Sports is the only thing keeping traditional cable alive and also drives digital TV subscriptions. The rest of the crap on TV is trash. Even then, it should always be on demand without restrictions. And blackout areas.
Maybe instead of spending more on lawyers, just consolidate the streaming services again so they're more attractive than piracy?
Fuck that, let me buy DRM-free movies. We can do it for music, books and games. Movies and TV shows are next.
I'd spend a lot more money on TV and movies if I could get them without DRM and in high quality. No question. Both in streaming and in disc form.
Same with games while we're at it, there are games I got for free that I would rather pirate so it doesn't have the DRM than download and install the copy I have legal access to
DVDs and Blurays are still pretty common. They're not actually DRM-free, but DVD DRM is completely broken and BR decryption keys seem to be easily obtained. And you can rip the disc if you want to make a digital copy.
Their days are numbered though as companies like Best Buy won't carry them anymore.
They have DRM, even if easy to go around it, it doesn't make sense to pay loads for a shitty medium with obstacles to getting what's on it… it sends the wrong message to the criminal organisations peddling them.
No, offering them more money to remove those obstacles sends the wrong message. It would literally save them money to leave it out, so in what world would that entitle them to more of your money or mine?
... well shit. Anyone know how I can link a comment in an instance-agnostic way? Ridiculous that while all three of those links go to the same comment, the commenter I'm replying to can only really interact with one of them ... and why the hell does user tagging seem to be broken? I had to manually create that link.
AFAIK there's still no way to dynamically link to posts or comments on Lemmy. :( You can only link communities or users.
Anyway, totally agree. Being technically able to bypass DRM doesn't make it okay. I'm honestly not sure how to rip a Blu-ray on Linux anyway. I haven't looked into it in years so maybe it's easier now than I remember.
That might explain some insane replies I've seen in the past.
But you're not thinking of the CEO's next yacht! Or the shareholders!
I feel like that's the opposite of what we want. Perhaps a storefront where one could choose what they want from different providers for a reasonable price would be good, but consolidation leads to *opolies, which are never good for consumers.
Wasn't Netflix basically that? One store front for films and TV shows produced by different companies. Pay a flat monthly fee and get access to the libraries from every production company.
That was pre-enshittification. We are far beyond that point now.
I think that will work wonders!! We love convenience and fair pricing and people are willing to pay for a good service.
Aren’t Disney+ and Hulu about to merge?
Disney+ plans to keep absorbing competitors until they aquire one that knows how to write a working mobile app.
They're instituting this for the generation that grew up with Vpns so they could watch pirate streaming sites on their school Wi-Fi? Good fucking luck.
No one said they’re smart.
If they were smart, they would spend their money making their platforms more enticing than piracy. Instead, they spend it on lawyers.
They are decrepit dinosaurs killing grandmas for an industry that died 10 years ago. A violent hate machine running on fumes that must be destroyed for humanity's sake.
This time the glove come off from the get go. DIE MPAA FREAKS !
The MPAA is a terrorist organisation and must be stopped with extreme prejudice.
They never learn, it's amazing.
VPs come and go, I guess it's a new set of them.
Ah, the age old tradition of "pretending to work..."
Try fixing all the fucking subscription services and we won't want to stream or clone a copy of media which you never owned because its virtually non existent
I still disagree with the notion made up by punlishers that you buy a dvd or cd you somehow only buy a license to view it. I never agreed to that and you can't just print text on something to make it so.
Ofcourse I don't have the right to make reproduction but owning the physical product should make me the owner.
Maybe not related to your comment but I wanted to rage about this.
I'll back up your rage buddy!!
You DO have the right to copy it. It's sharing that copy that becomes a potential legal problem.
Every report on piracy I read points out that the biggest pirates are also the biggest spenders on “legitimate” media, streaming, cinema tickets. This will only increase purchase of such things by a rounding error. It won’t be the money spinner they’re hoping for. It’ll reduce the number of people that view shows & movies, and have a more significant effect on viral and organic hype.
Its the whales and the people that can't afford to buy more media than they already do.
If the industry actually got the big spenders to do away with their self-hosting/data-archive setups, they won't actually put that money into more media, as they're already budgetting a set amount for the media itself which is not going to increase.
The ideal process would allow creatives across the film, TV, music, and book industries to go to court, where they can request that internet service providers block access to websites with pirated content.
Surely the sites will actually have to host the content this time, right? Not just chasing harmless index files again?
How are they gonna site block? If they block through the ISP’s DNS, change your DNS. If they block through IP, well America is turning into China with its great firewall lol. Either way, if they manage to take down piratebay (good luck) we should run our own DHT crawlers like Bitmagnet (https://bitmagnet.io/), or torrent through i2p
This is to be expected, corporations will fight tooth and nail for every penny. We need to fight back to make piracy resilient regardless of the whims of the MPA and the law. Because piracy transcends the law.
Turkish guy reporting in: don't worry we can teach you how to get around ISP blocks. It's not that hard.
Teach us your ways
Tor Browser would probably be the easiest if least performant way.
Just fyi:
performant == effective
performative == related to artistic/dramatic performance
Thanks. I literally slept on it and woke up thinking this :)
Yeah it’ll work this time, really guys. You nailed it.
They'll get the government to ban require all VPNs that operate in the USA to keep logs. Cause the bad people in foreign countries use them to to the big bad anti American things.
Mullvad has already blocked port forwarding likely to placate these same groups
No, port forwarding removed because hosting threatened to kick mullvad out. Lot of shit hosted through that. No hosting, no vpn, so needed to remove to continue operate.
Pressure on host probably caused by those group though.
Algo then!
Imma tired of this shit!
*Yawns in Stremio/real debrid/torrentio/shield
how will they stop people uploading stuff to .ru websites?
Guys, their is a thing called I2P. You should check it out.
During CinemaCon in Las Vegas, MPA CEO Charles Rivkin announced that the organization plans on working with Congress to pass rules blocking websites with pirated content.
The MPA is a trade association representing Hollywood studios, including Paramount, Sony, Universal, and Disney (it’s also behind the ratings board that gives you an R if you say curse words too often).
In his speech on Tuesday, Rivkin highlights what a major problem piracy in the US has become, saying it costs “hundreds of thousands of jobs” and “more than one billion in theatrical ticket sales.”
He adds that the ideal process would allow creatives across the film, TV, music, and book industries to go to court, where they can request that internet service providers block access to websites with pirated content.
It helped hatch the Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA) in 2012, which would’ve restricted access to websites containing pirated content.
In a statement provided to The Verge, Katharine Trendacosta, a director of policy and advocacy at the Electronic Frontier Foundation, says it’s “fundamentally wrong for the MPA to claim to take the 1st amendment seriously in one breath and threaten the expression of so many others in the next.”
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How does this work? Does he get notified because you tagged him?
Ah my fault. I don't want to tag a user, I want to tag a community. I changed "@" to "!"
each round is funnier.
this time i have the feel ppl pirate way less movies and US movies are a lot less worth sharing. i remember when groups raced for cam releases and that crap then was on tons of one-click hosters. not anymore. there are still so many sites and one click hosters, it can 9nly be the quality of US entertainment.
and that tells me mpaa is in dire need of money if ppl dont even want their junk amymore.
another starswars/startrek spin off, many many more marvel movies.
the enshittification has rendered enshittified culture to worthless.
I wonder if there's a way to obscure IPs on the side of a torrent tracker. Like an inverse VPN.
Tbh though, I feel like in this day and age they're gonna have a hard time cracking down on torrents. VPNs are easier to use and more accessible than ever. Just remember to recommend VPN usage when someone asks about trackers, torrent programs, etc.
Edit: also this is pure bullshit, I can't believe anyone actually believes this in this day and age:
Pretending it actually does hurt ticket sales, you know damn well companies wouldn't use the money to hire more people, Rivkin. They'd use the money to find new ways of cutting costs, aka jobs.
I'm down 6 trilly in sales. I'm not selling anything but its the potential that counts.
If someone actually want to see the movie in a theater, they are going to buy a ticket since watching a shaky cell phone recording is in no way comparable to actually watching a movie on the big screen.
Who the hell is still watching cam rips?
I don't know. I watched about 5 minutes of one once before deleting it and never downloaded another cam after that. Obviously the MPA thinks a lot of people are watching them if they are still whining about it.
That's pretty much all you can find while a movie is in first run. Most sites I know of will actually delete prerelease movies (that aren't cam rips) because they bring too much negative attention.
I remember watching The Purge in a movie theater with my dad. After the movie, i found out from my friend there was already a rip (clear copy) in torrent sites.
I'm not sure if my country (in SEA region) is just slower in releasing movies compared to the west or if the movie is just not good in theaters so theres already dvd for it.
Absolutely no one.
Impatient kids mostly if I had to guess
Also, they just translate estimated number of downloads to potentially sold tickets 1:1 (they always have). As if a pirate would actually watch all that shit if they had to pay for it. Many probably even don't after download (like Steam games on sale).
Especially if it's torrents on private trackers where you download stuff you don't want just to build up ratio
Trackers that make users do that are plainly scams. Probably run by the mpaa to slow down piracy.
It creates a deadlock where nobody dowloads and nobody uploads. 500 seeds terabytes wasted, sitting with idle internet connections, nobody downloading.
You mean all private trackers?
I'm leaving space for the possibility that some of them aren't run by the average zero sum idiots that plague the internet and real life. But probably yes, all private trackers I've wasted my time joining, have been this kind of stupid shit, resource and time wasting shit.
Public trackers are far far superior and the only source of torrents to grace my seedboxes.
You don't know what you're missing, good private trackers are much, much better.
glances at my 8TB drive of which maybe 10-20% actually has been watched...
How did you know how much of my media I’ve actually watched?
People who watch literal recordings of movies from inside a movie theater are psychopaths who really, really don't care about quality. I highly doubt they are the target audience of movie ticket sales.
I buy movie tickets and I also watch cams. Sometimes I watch before, because I can't make it to the theater yet, sometimes afterwards so I can have a repeat watch. Sometimes I watch and the movie is trash, so I save money to spend on a different one. Sometimes the cam rips aren't good enough to watch, other times, they are near DVD quality.
I have been watching cams and going to the movie theater since the 90s and I doubt that will change, but I never understand the hatred aimed at people who watch cams. Why bash on people who are enjoying something that you do not?
At this point it's just a meme. I mean I definitely don't get it, but I have nothing against you as a person lol.
As we've seen the past couple years companies NEVER fire people! UNLESS people are STEALING their Products!
Trackers already do this. It's impossible to actually hide your IP without a proxy. Trackers insert fake/random IPs into the list. DMCA requests require the requesting party to actually download a chunk of data successfully because of it.
The torrent protocol is peer-to-peer, all clients connect directly to each other. The tracker is just there to tell how clients to connect to each other, and that requires IP addresses.
I don’t think that’s true for I2P torrents; there are a number of hops between you, the tracker and peers.
It is far more convenient to pirate than to buy media legally, due to the extreme and purposeful fragmentation of streaming services and their constantly changing libraries. If you want people to pirate less, make your service(s) competitive.
Not just competitive but available without platform limitations and special streaming contracts. Sports is the only thing keeping traditional cable alive and also drives digital TV subscriptions. The rest of the crap on TV is trash. Even then, it should always be on demand without restrictions. And blackout areas.
Maybe instead of spending more on lawyers, just consolidate the streaming services again so they're more attractive than piracy?
Fuck that, let me buy DRM-free movies. We can do it for music, books and games. Movies and TV shows are next.
I'd spend a lot more money on TV and movies if I could get them without DRM and in high quality. No question. Both in streaming and in disc form.
Same with games while we're at it, there are games I got for free that I would rather pirate so it doesn't have the DRM than download and install the copy I have legal access to
DVDs and Blurays are still pretty common. They're not actually DRM-free, but DVD DRM is completely broken and BR decryption keys seem to be easily obtained. And you can rip the disc if you want to make a digital copy.
Their days are numbered though as companies like Best Buy won't carry them anymore.
They have DRM, even if easy to go around it, it doesn't make sense to pay loads for a shitty medium with obstacles to getting what's on it… it sends the wrong message to the criminal organisations peddling them.
No, offering them more money to remove those obstacles sends the wrong message. It would literally save them money to leave it out, so in what world would that entitle them to more of your money or mine?
That's what I wrote.
Looks like you and I both meant to respond to this other comment by @GenderNeutralBro@lemmy.sdf.org : https://discuss.tchncs.de/comment/9293054 https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/9620373
https://jlai.lu/comment/6487794
... well shit. Anyone know how I can link a comment in an instance-agnostic way? Ridiculous that while all three of those links go to the same comment, the commenter I'm replying to can only really interact with one of them ... and why the hell does user tagging seem to be broken? I had to manually create that link.
AFAIK there's still no way to dynamically link to posts or comments on Lemmy. :( You can only link communities or users.
Anyway, totally agree. Being technically able to bypass DRM doesn't make it okay. I'm honestly not sure how to rip a Blu-ray on Linux anyway. I haven't looked into it in years so maybe it's easier now than I remember.
That might explain some insane replies I've seen in the past.
But you're not thinking of the CEO's next yacht! Or the shareholders!
I feel like that's the opposite of what we want. Perhaps a storefront where one could choose what they want from different providers for a reasonable price would be good, but consolidation leads to *opolies, which are never good for consumers.
Wasn't Netflix basically that? One store front for films and TV shows produced by different companies. Pay a flat monthly fee and get access to the libraries from every production company.
That was pre-enshittification. We are far beyond that point now.
I think that will work wonders!! We love convenience and fair pricing and people are willing to pay for a good service.
Aren’t Disney+ and Hulu about to merge?
Disney+ plans to keep absorbing competitors until they aquire one that knows how to write a working mobile app.
They're instituting this for the generation that grew up with Vpns so they could watch pirate streaming sites on their school Wi-Fi? Good fucking luck.
No one said they’re smart.
If they were smart, they would spend their money making their platforms more enticing than piracy. Instead, they spend it on lawyers.
They are decrepit dinosaurs killing grandmas for an industry that died 10 years ago. A violent hate machine running on fumes that must be destroyed for humanity's sake.
This time the glove come off from the get go. DIE MPAA FREAKS !
The MPAA is a terrorist organisation and must be stopped with extreme prejudice.
They never learn, it's amazing.
VPs come and go, I guess it's a new set of them.
Ah, the age old tradition of "pretending to work..."
Try fixing all the fucking subscription services and we won't want to stream or clone a copy of media which you never owned because its virtually non existent
I still disagree with the notion made up by punlishers that you buy a dvd or cd you somehow only buy a license to view it. I never agreed to that and you can't just print text on something to make it so.
Ofcourse I don't have the right to make reproduction but owning the physical product should make me the owner.
Maybe not related to your comment but I wanted to rage about this.
I'll back up your rage buddy!!
You DO have the right to copy it. It's sharing that copy that becomes a potential legal problem.
Every report on piracy I read points out that the biggest pirates are also the biggest spenders on “legitimate” media, streaming, cinema tickets. This will only increase purchase of such things by a rounding error. It won’t be the money spinner they’re hoping for. It’ll reduce the number of people that view shows & movies, and have a more significant effect on viral and organic hype.
Its the whales and the people that can't afford to buy more media than they already do.
If the industry actually got the big spenders to do away with their self-hosting/data-archive setups, they won't actually put that money into more media, as they're already budgetting a set amount for the media itself which is not going to increase.
Surely the sites will actually have to host the content this time, right? Not just chasing harmless index files again?
How are they gonna site block? If they block through the ISP’s DNS, change your DNS. If they block through IP, well America is turning into China with its great firewall lol. Either way, if they manage to take down piratebay (good luck) we should run our own DHT crawlers like Bitmagnet (https://bitmagnet.io/), or torrent through i2p
This is to be expected, corporations will fight tooth and nail for every penny. We need to fight back to make piracy resilient regardless of the whims of the MPA and the law. Because piracy transcends the law.
Turkish guy reporting in: don't worry we can teach you how to get around ISP blocks. It's not that hard.
Teach us your ways
Tor Browser would probably be the easiest if least performant way.
Just fyi:
Thanks. I literally slept on it and woke up thinking this :)
Yeah it’ll work this time, really guys. You nailed it.
They'll get the government to
banrequire all VPNs that operate in the USA to keep logs. Cause the bad people in foreign countries use them to to the big bad anti American things.Mullvad has already blocked port forwarding likely to placate these same groups
No, port forwarding removed because hosting threatened to kick mullvad out. Lot of shit hosted through that. No hosting, no vpn, so needed to remove to continue operate.
Pressure on host probably caused by those group though.
Algo then!
Imma tired of this shit!
*Yawns in Stremio/real debrid/torrentio/shield
how will they stop people uploading stuff to .ru websites?
Guys, their is a thing called I2P. You should check it out.
What is it
https://geti2p.net
... It's pied piper
This is the best summary I could come up with:
During CinemaCon in Las Vegas, MPA CEO Charles Rivkin announced that the organization plans on working with Congress to pass rules blocking websites with pirated content.
The MPA is a trade association representing Hollywood studios, including Paramount, Sony, Universal, and Disney (it’s also behind the ratings board that gives you an R if you say curse words too often).
In his speech on Tuesday, Rivkin highlights what a major problem piracy in the US has become, saying it costs “hundreds of thousands of jobs” and “more than one billion in theatrical ticket sales.”
He adds that the ideal process would allow creatives across the film, TV, music, and book industries to go to court, where they can request that internet service providers block access to websites with pirated content.
It helped hatch the Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA) in 2012, which would’ve restricted access to websites containing pirated content.
In a statement provided to The Verge, Katharine Trendacosta, a director of policy and advocacy at the Electronic Frontier Foundation, says it’s “fundamentally wrong for the MPA to claim to take the 1st amendment seriously in one breath and threaten the expression of so many others in the next.”
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I2P to the rescue 🤷
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How does this work? Does he get notified because you tagged him?
Ah my fault. I don't want to tag a user, I want to tag a community. I changed "@" to "!"
each round is funnier. this time i have the feel ppl pirate way less movies and US movies are a lot less worth sharing. i remember when groups raced for cam releases and that crap then was on tons of one-click hosters. not anymore. there are still so many sites and one click hosters, it can 9nly be the quality of US entertainment. and that tells me mpaa is in dire need of money if ppl dont even want their junk amymore. another starswars/startrek spin off, many many more marvel movies. the enshittification has rendered enshittified culture to worthless.