retains clunky 7-day week that doesn't interact will with decimal counting system
I like it, but I got an even better proposal. Weeks should have ten day weeks, and each month should have 3 weeks. summer/winter solstice and the spring/autumn equinox as well as new years day are special holidays that fall between months and interrupt the week cycle. In leap years, new years is two days.
The 1st, 11th and 21st of each month are now Mondays, so you can tell the weekday of any date. Months are the same length just like in Jesse's proposal, but an even 30 instead of a clunky 28.
I've thought about this a lot
Congratulations, you've successfully reinvented the Egyptian civil calendar, complete with the intercalary holidays and all. Literally the only change is to add weeks. And yes, it did work really well, especially since the feast could add or lose a day to adjust to a known reference (the rise and fall of the Nile in their case). I second this proposal to go back.
Our corporate overlords will want 8-day work-weeks. LOL
Yeah I'm only in if we get 3 days off per week.
No dammit, we want 3 days off in the current 7 day week cycle. 5 days off a 10 day week works for me. We ask for that, get negotiated down to 4 day weekends and it works.
Fair enough, make it happen!
That would be amazing. Rn we take a little under a third of a week off. With that we would take almost half a week off.
I dunno man, if hump day meant I still had the rest of the day plus 3 more days until the weekend, I think I'd snap.
Yeah you'd definitely need one day in the middle. Or Id say even better, a 3 day and 2x2 day work weeks with days off in between.
Five days off at least.
Don't touch my weekends
5 day weekend
5 Day Weekends!!!!!
We could fit three break day in a a 10 day week (3/10 is slightly bigger than 2/7). We could put the third day in the middle of the week to not have 7 work days in a row. In the fourth day mabey?
I vote we work on days 2,3,4 and 7,8,9 of the week.
I hope that one of the new days is named after you and we all curse you every Potatuesday for creating more workdays.
Having a day called Potatuesday... might be worth it
I like the 10 days week, but people, please rush to create a new religion to cover multiple free days or im out
The extra days of the week is called Lazyday, Chillsday, and Beersday.
It is forbidden to work on these days, the Lord commands it.
every other day is labour day, and thus a holiday.
My religion has a holy day called I'm taking today off or I'll cut you
What's the work schedule
3-1-4-2 would work and give 70% work to 30% off - currently we have 71.4% work in a 7 day week so it's pretty similar with less friday burnout
Should just be 3 2 3 2
Should be from workers' perspective, but 3-1-4-2 is still a win for pretty much everyone as it would most likely improve productivity potentially more than 4-3 while also giving "more" (marginally, but still about 4 days per year) time off than 5-2
Less.
Just don't propose a unified earth/solar time even though it's going to be necessary once we start spacefaring more lol.
Funnily enough this issue is being brought up a lot on Lemmy recently. I've been at the IFC and Fixed Time haters for a bit in a different thread lol.
I recently thought of abolishing timezones altogether and everybody I told thought I was batshit crazy. thank you!
Weeks should have ten day weeks, and each month should have 3 weeks.
Here's why I'm going to say no. It's because businesses would just rip us off by turning the working week into 8 days and just retaining the 2 day weekend.
No, and double no.
Thatβs very pessimistic. It assumes that there is a corporate led reform. Which is unlikely. If it was a grass roots campaign, the call for change would include a weekend proposal from the start. By the time businesses come around to supporting it, the weekend will alredy be defined as 3-work-2-off, or 7-work-3-off.
Businesses don't have the power to do that if we collectively tell them no. But that being said, how DO you split up a 10-day week keeping the same basic ratio of "weekend" days?
Three weekdays, followed by a single "weekend" day or mid-week break, then four weekdays followed by a two-day weekend?
What names shall we give the new weekdays? Because I was thinking maybe we should rename a few existing ones, so no weekdays start with the same letters. Then they can be abbreviated to their respective first letters.
Someday, Funday, and Oneday.
"Hey, when are you going to do that thing I asked you to do?"
And instead of calling them "weeks", we could call them by the much more self-explanatory term "tendays".
summer/winter solstice and the spring/autumn equinox as well as new years day are special holidays that fall between months and interrupt the week cycle
You can simplify it a little bit by putting the intercalary days between months, rather than using them for the solstices. We can put Midwinter between January 30 and February 1 and Midsummer between July 30 and August 1, in the northern hemisphere.
For the sake of putting it in a more user-friendly location, our leap day should be in the summer for the northern hemisphere (where most of the population is). So put it the day after Midsummer.
The only thing I would do differently from the Calendar of Harptos is that, like you, I would use New Year's Day as the 5th annual intercalary day.
Ok, I've never heard of that site before, but I am definitely in its target market. Thanks for sharing!
You're very welcome! It's ultra useful for my dnd campaigns, I try to share it any chance I get
the equinoxes and solstices are roughly 90 days apart anyway so we can do both :)
Calendar of Harptos actually influenced my post hehe
the equinoxes and solstices are roughly 90 days apart anyway so we can do both
Right, but my point was that we shouldn't use either equinoxes or solstices, because they occur around the 21st of their month at present. It's better to put the intercalary days in between months so that a single month doesn't get awkwardly split up.
This is what I want! Fuck, this has it all! Its beautiful!
I don't see why 7 day weeks are bad in regard to the number system. We rarely need to divide the days of the week into equal portions. Remembering 1, 8, 15 and 22 as mondays would be trivial after a while.
You also claim that failure to address the 365th day and leap years is an issue, but your proposal also includes several cycle-breaking days. So the same issue would persist.
Moon deviation isn't something I really worry about, but having a period which almost align with the cycle seems useful. It would be easy to just examine the initial phase within the month to chart out the rest of the month.
However, I think the biggest flaw is that the calendar would be divided into 13 equal parts, which sucks to divide into typical use cases, i.e. into 2 parts. You could split the 7th month, but it's not really elegant. Dividing the year into 3 or 4 parts would be a mess.
Current workforce is schedule around a 7day centric week. It's far easier to reorganize where the weeks fall in the year than changing the structure of a week. Suddenly the workforce would have segment of work overlapping between weeks, it's an organizational nightmare.
The international fixed calendar did propose a solution for the 365 days and leap year but it's basically out-of-the-week holidays.
wdym? How is 10 more difficult than 7?
I do five day holiday for end of the year to account for the extra days like the Mayans did but I really like your idea of spreading four of them out to the solstices and equinoxes!
Or just have days that are just not a part of the week - like Leap years - are their own day.
Weeks should have a prime number of days. Itβs not wise to be dividing weeks up.
why not?
Any solution that has some form of "oh those days? Nah, we don't count those" is disqualified immediately in my book.
As a software developer, I would rather give up the 1.25 days off a year just to not have to work around some weird monthless and weekless date every year.
Hm fair enough. Let's make the intercalary days part of the last week of the last month before they happen for programming/numbering purposes. So Midsummer is just June 31st, or the 11th day of the 18th week.
laughs in Egyptian...
They had 5 or 6 intercalary holidays to celebrate the new year and adjust to the rise of the Nile (and we'd adjust it to astronomical time with leap years). It actually worked really well, and kept the people happy with a 5-day rest and celebration each year (something this world could definitely use).
They didn't have software though and you don't know if it either worked well (since the ppl who kept this system going were the same people who wrote about it) nor of it kept ppl happy. Besides: you can do that without the "not counting those" part, couldn't you?
I think of it like the appendices of a book. The main story is counted with numbers, page 10, but the appendix is counted with Roman numerals, page X. While adding to the appendix increases the number of pages in the book, it does not change the length of the story.
Dec can be the month with 29 days and a 4 year leap day. That way all the nonsense is in one place.
Flaws:
I like it, but I got an even better proposal. Weeks should have ten day weeks, and each month should have 3 weeks. summer/winter solstice and the spring/autumn equinox as well as new years day are special holidays that fall between months and interrupt the week cycle. In leap years, new years is two days.
The 1st, 11th and 21st of each month are now Mondays, so you can tell the weekday of any date. Months are the same length just like in Jesse's proposal, but an even 30 instead of a clunky 28.
I've thought about this a lot
Congratulations, you've successfully reinvented the Egyptian civil calendar, complete with the intercalary holidays and all. Literally the only change is to add weeks. And yes, it did work really well, especially since the feast could add or lose a day to adjust to a known reference (the rise and fall of the Nile in their case). I second this proposal to go back.
Our corporate overlords will want 8-day work-weeks. LOL
Yeah I'm only in if we get 3 days off per week.
No dammit, we want 3 days off in the current 7 day week cycle. 5 days off a 10 day week works for me. We ask for that, get negotiated down to 4 day weekends and it works.
Fair enough, make it happen!
That would be amazing. Rn we take a little under a third of a week off. With that we would take almost half a week off.
I dunno man, if hump day meant I still had the rest of the day plus 3 more days until the weekend, I think I'd snap.
Yeah you'd definitely need one day in the middle. Or Id say even better, a 3 day and 2x2 day work weeks with days off in between.
Five days off at least.
Don't touch my weekends
5 day weekend
5 Day Weekends!!!!!
We could fit three break day in a a 10 day week (3/10 is slightly bigger than 2/7). We could put the third day in the middle of the week to not have 7 work days in a row. In the fourth day mabey?
I vote we work on days 2,3,4 and 7,8,9 of the week.
Sounds a lot like the French Revolutionary Calendar: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Republican_calendar#Months
It actually does account for keep years. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Fixed_Calendar
Leap years and keep years
I hope that one of the new days is named after you and we all curse you every Potatuesday for creating more workdays.
Having a day called Potatuesday... might be worth it
I like the 10 days week, but people, please rush to create a new religion to cover multiple free days or im out
The extra days of the week is called Lazyday, Chillsday, and Beersday.
It is forbidden to work on these days, the Lord commands it.
every other day is labour day, and thus a holiday.
My religion has a holy day called I'm taking today off or I'll cut you
What's the work schedule
3-1-4-2 would work and give 70% work to 30% off - currently we have 71.4% work in a 7 day week so it's pretty similar with less friday burnout
Should just be 3 2 3 2
Should be from workers' perspective, but 3-1-4-2 is still a win for pretty much everyone as it would most likely improve productivity potentially more than 4-3 while also giving "more" (marginally, but still about 4 days per year) time off than 5-2
Less.
Just don't propose a unified earth/solar time even though it's going to be necessary once we start spacefaring more lol.
Funnily enough this issue is being brought up a lot on Lemmy recently. I've been at the IFC and Fixed Time haters for a bit in a different thread lol.
https://www.worldtimeserver.com/learn/the-proposal-to-abolish-time-zones/
I recently thought of abolishing timezones altogether and everybody I told thought I was batshit crazy. thank you!
Here's why I'm going to say no. It's because businesses would just rip us off by turning the working week into 8 days and just retaining the 2 day weekend.
No, and double no.
Thatβs very pessimistic. It assumes that there is a corporate led reform. Which is unlikely. If it was a grass roots campaign, the call for change would include a weekend proposal from the start. By the time businesses come around to supporting it, the weekend will alredy be defined as 3-work-2-off, or 7-work-3-off.
Businesses don't have the power to do that if we collectively tell them no. But that being said, how DO you split up a 10-day week keeping the same basic ratio of "weekend" days?
Three weekdays, followed by a single "weekend" day or mid-week break, then four weekdays followed by a two-day weekend?
What names shall we give the new weekdays? Because I was thinking maybe we should rename a few existing ones, so no weekdays start with the same letters. Then they can be abbreviated to their respective first letters.
Someday, Funday, and Oneday.
"Hey, when are you going to do that thing I asked you to do?"
"Ohhhh, Someday... Shit."
And instead of calling them "weeks", we could call them by the much more self-explanatory term "tendays".
You can simplify it a little bit by putting the intercalary days between months, rather than using them for the solstices. We can put Midwinter between January 30 and February 1 and Midsummer between July 30 and August 1, in the northern hemisphere.
For the sake of putting it in a more user-friendly location, our leap day should be in the summer for the northern hemisphere (where most of the population is). So put it the day after Midsummer.
The only thing I would do differently from the Calendar of Harptos is that, like you, I would use New Year's Day as the 5th annual intercalary day.
Intercalary is one of those words I never expect to hear outside of the https://app.fantasy-calendar.com userbase
Ok, I've never heard of that site before, but I am definitely in its target market. Thanks for sharing!
You're very welcome! It's ultra useful for my dnd campaigns, I try to share it any chance I get
the equinoxes and solstices are roughly 90 days apart anyway so we can do both :)
Calendar of Harptos actually influenced my post hehe
Right, but my point was that we shouldn't use either equinoxes or solstices, because they occur around the 21st of their month at present. It's better to put the intercalary days in between months so that a single month doesn't get awkwardly split up.
The 365th day is new years day... duh.
This is what I want! Fuck, this has it all! Its beautiful!
I don't see why 7 day weeks are bad in regard to the number system. We rarely need to divide the days of the week into equal portions. Remembering 1, 8, 15 and 22 as mondays would be trivial after a while.
You also claim that failure to address the 365th day and leap years is an issue, but your proposal also includes several cycle-breaking days. So the same issue would persist.
Moon deviation isn't something I really worry about, but having a period which almost align with the cycle seems useful. It would be easy to just examine the initial phase within the month to chart out the rest of the month.
However, I think the biggest flaw is that the calendar would be divided into 13 equal parts, which sucks to divide into typical use cases, i.e. into 2 parts. You could split the 7th month, but it's not really elegant. Dividing the year into 3 or 4 parts would be a mess.
Current workforce is schedule around a 7day centric week. It's far easier to reorganize where the weeks fall in the year than changing the structure of a week. Suddenly the workforce would have segment of work overlapping between weeks, it's an organizational nightmare.
The international fixed calendar did propose a solution for the 365 days and leap year but it's basically out-of-the-week holidays.
wdym? How is 10 more difficult than 7?
I do five day holiday for end of the year to account for the extra days like the Mayans did but I really like your idea of spreading four of them out to the solstices and equinoxes!
Or just have days that are just not a part of the week - like Leap years - are their own day.
Weeks should have a prime number of days. Itβs not wise to be dividing weeks up.
why not?
Any solution that has some form of "oh those days? Nah, we don't count those" is disqualified immediately in my book.
As a software developer, I would rather give up the 1.25 days off a year just to not have to work around some weird monthless and weekless date every year.
Hm fair enough. Let's make the intercalary days part of the last week of the last month before they happen for programming/numbering purposes. So Midsummer is just June 31st, or the 11th day of the 18th week.
laughs in Egyptian...
They had 5 or 6 intercalary holidays to celebrate the new year and adjust to the rise of the Nile (and we'd adjust it to astronomical time with leap years). It actually worked really well, and kept the people happy with a 5-day rest and celebration each year (something this world could definitely use).
They didn't have software though and you don't know if it either worked well (since the ppl who kept this system going were the same people who wrote about it) nor of it kept ppl happy. Besides: you can do that without the "not counting those" part, couldn't you?
I think of it like the appendices of a book. The main story is counted with numbers, page 10, but the appendix is counted with Roman numerals, page X. While adding to the appendix increases the number of pages in the book, it does not change the length of the story.
Dec can be the month with 29 days and a 4 year leap day. That way all the nonsense is in one place.
Moon cycle doesn't matter.
7 day system is not clunky it is human.