Side of bed debate - Which side is left?
Which side of the bed is the left side? Is the answer based on the perspective of laying in the bed (person's head at the head end)? Is the answer based on viewing it from the foot of the bed, looking at the head of the bed? Is there an "anatomical position" or special terminology like in boating for this?
For context: My boyfriend and I can't agree on this. We change who gets which side based on the shoulder we'd predominantly sleep on and how it's feeling. This let's us get good cuddles before shoulder pain gets irritated. He comes to bed after me. A while back he asked what side I'm sleeping on. I said "left". Later that night, he comes in and almost lays directly on me because he claims "left" is the other side. Since then we have to describe which side using complicated descriptions.
My wife sleeps in the middle, like a snow angel, so I always sleep on what's left.
Or what's right.
What's left ain't right.
The story of my life.
Correct.
Oh, you are a witty one. Good answer.
Right, left if you're looking at the bed from the foot.
Stage right, stage left if you're looking out from the bed toward the foot.
He did theater stuff in HS, so we may adapt this if neither of us concede. Good work around.
Theater stuff in high school.... Is that like making out backstage after rehearsal?
Probably along the same lines as band camp. I'm sure there's a few "This one time..." stories.
the former is known as "audience left/right"
but allow me to use a more dated theatrical terminology:
prompt side and bastard prompt.
I'd say it'd be from the perspective of laying in it, since no one cares what side of the bed is which unless they're going to lay in it
Ah, but as you say, people only care when they're "going to" lay in it, meaning they're not in the bed yet. Once you're in bed, you pretty much never need to specify the left or right side, you can say "shit, i spilled a drink on your side!"
So, since we only care about left and right sides while we're not in bed, I say who cares about the in-bed perspective. What matters is how it is oriented while you're standing up and looking at it. So that's how I'd assign left and right side.
To that, I'd say it's likely better if we use landmarks. Identify unique furniture or a window or something on each side. Then, refer to them as "Window side" or "Lamp side".
I agree, only sensible way to do it
This is my stance on it. I thought this so such a common sense perspective that my brain stalled when he disagreed with it.
This!
End thread.
Forget left-right. Use port and starboard.
This is the correct answer. It's how ships avoid running into each other. When whoever is steering the vessel is facing the bow (front, usually the pointy bit), port is their left, starboard their right. Ship's running lights are red on the port side, green on the left. So if you're out on the water at night, you can immediately see whether a ship is coming towards you or moving away. The rule for passing an oncoming vessel is "port to port", thus avoiding confusion and collision.
Sitting up in bed I would consider the headboard the stern, because I have my back to it, and the foot the bow. So the area to starboard is right, and portside is left. Ahoy maties!!!
Well, so which is the front and which is the back?
The front is where the spoiler isn't.
Race car beds FTW.
I actually love this. Imagine all cars are race car beds and then use driver and passenger side lol.
Beds have a head and a foot, so the head is fore and the foot aft.
Ah. But in a bed race, it's foot-first, implying a direction of travel that itself dictates head==aft and foot==fore. Totally different from how ironman flies, fwiw.
You mean "prow" and "stern".
port and starboard are based on the orientation of the ship, not the outside observer
Yes, but without knowing which is fore and which is aft you cannot make that judgement.
fore would definitely be the foot of the bed. that's where you are looking when you are using the bed properly
Define "properly."
the bed was designed for sleeping. just because you can face any direction while fucking on it doesn't mean anything, because the same can be said of a ship
Driver's side and passengers side?
Stage left and stage right? (Depends on where your curtains are).
People drive in different sides in different parts of the world.
Fuck it, topside, underside.
The majority of people occupying the same bed will have congruent driver/passenger sides. Distant strangers don't need to know which side you are referring to. Couples from different regions could adopt the local convention.
Seems like a flawed system. Why would auto manufactures not force the whole world to do it the same?
I assume OP and their partner drive on the same side of the road as each other though lol
We use "my side" and "your side" so it's always correct from any perspective.
The answer is easy, but to get to it, a little bit of a thought experiment is probably helpful. I say, look to how we define our own left and right sides for guidance. When facing forward, our left hand is on the left side of our body, and the right hand is on the right side of the body. Perspective doesn't matter, and there is no ambiguity.
Now we need to extend this to the bed. A bed has a head, just like a person does. So where would its face be? It seems clear to me, unless you are sleeping on a dead mattress, that the face is clearly going to be looking upwards at the ceiling at the head of the bed. So the left side of the bed, if you are standing at the foot of the bed looking at it, would be on your right. Just like the left side of your friend, when you are standing in front of them and looking at them, is on your right.
Now if you just imagine the mattress to be perfectly spherical and in a frictionless environment.......
(Obviously just having fun with this answer, but it's also the right answer)
It’s easiest if you think of the bed as a person. I call mine “Ed the Bed”
I'll have to counter his argument with this. I think it nullifies the standing at the foot line of thinking.
Stage left is the only definition that matters here, unless you have good reason to care about audience left owo
House left is the better methodology, you’re going to be talking about sides while looking at the bed more often than while already in it.
take a cue from the theater folk: stage left/right is defined by the performers' perspective. Call it "bed left" and "bed right" to talk about it from the perspective of someone on the bed, and "standing left" or "standing right" to talk about the perspective of someone looking at the bed
Although it's kinda silly to me that anyone's default orientation would be from looking at the bed, which is not the position most commonly associated with the thing famous for laying in it.
But that's the position you most commonly look at a bed from. And when figuring out where you're gonna get into the bed.
Like the only time you actually use the information about sides of bed is from the perspective of outside the bed.
that's another flaw: standing left only conflicts with bed left if you're standing at the foot. At the head they're the same. On either side, it's an arbitrary decision.
Whereas bed left will always be the same side of the bed regardless of its shape, its orientation in the room, or your position in relation to it.
Nice job renaming stage and audience to bed and standing. I would've used their original terms. Our bed is not a stage and we don't entertain an audience so that would've gotten weird/entertaining at some point.
And absolutely agree. I was dumbfounded when he said otherwise. There's a good few who agree with the logic. Personifying the bed breaks that logic though.
Either:
Pick one and I hope whatever you pick works for both of you. Agreement is easy, but teasing can be fun.
A very realistic answer. It's unlikely either of us will concede so this is will be a perpetual joke.
Enjoy! "I've chosen to find it charming."
Driver side, passenger side.
Get nautical! Port and starboard.
I can get on board with this! (Pun intended)
But then which side is the Bow and which the Stern?
The bow would be the foot end, since you're looking in that direction
I would say the foot is the Stern and the head the bow I guess. Just to stay with a sort of head being the front of something and foot being the tail end.
But during normal use, you are facing the foot. I would think that makes it the Bow
I guess even if you are a stomach sleeper your feet are still towards the foot. Maybe this is best.
Captain drives from the stern, though. If you sit up in bed you're facing the bow.
Which country?
Varies when you travel, but you also have to move the bed to the other side of the room.
If you lay in the bed, depending on if you are lying on your back or stomach, left and right still change.
Ususally a bed is positioned with the head against a wall, so if you are facing the bed from the foot end, left and right are always the same. So I vote left/right is as seen from the foot end of the bed.
You're in agreement with my BF.
I didn't consider stomach sleepers. It's a good counter. I sleep on my stomach for short periods of time, but laying prone isn't default orientation (we typically don't face the ground) so therefore shouldn't be used as an indicator of default direction.
How do you reference position while in the bed? Just "your vs my" side?
Good to know that I'm not crazy!
But what if your bunk is on a marine vessel?
Imagine the bed is a clock. The 12 o’clock position is at the head — I don’t think anything else makes sense. That makes it unambiguous.
The positions are 3 o’clock and 9 o’clock.
And 3 is obviously on the right side of a clock and 9 on the left so the debate is settled.
Not if you consider the clock’s face is facing you. Facing your face. And so you can’t expect its right and wrong to be the same as yours.
Let’s say you have a day to move your stuff and you’re down to the last minute. You only have time for one more trip back inside. Your girlfriend says to grab whatever’s left of the clock. You go inside and look at its clockwork face, still gazing up at you with blank, bright numbers. Where the clock has hung all these years, to one side there’s a window with a bottle sitting there. To the other a vase with flowers. What do you take? What’s left of the clock, the vase, or do you say screw it and grab the bottle, without bothering to read carefully what’s inside?
I’m afraid this is all just more confusing, sorry
When we sleep, the monsters are at our 6.
This will only lead to more confusion.
Stand at the base.
Face the head
Now the age old question of "where is the base?"
On the bottom, holding up the mattress (optional)
No right or left.
Window side or door side.
If this doesn't apply to your bed, then you have aligned the bed improperly.
We customarily refer to the ends of the bed as "head" and "foot" which are analagous to the head and foot of a sail in nautical terms. Therefore "forward" in the ordinary bed naturally corresponds to the direction of straight up toward the ceiling, and the port side is the one on your left when lying in the bed facing that way.
I have a problem with right and left, and this question illustrates it pretty well. I tend to give directions as east, west, north, south. Left and right move around when you do, so can't really be assigned to stationary items like a bed. Our bed has a northwest side and a southeast side.
There are whole tribes of people who have no words for left and right but have words for the cardinal directions; and all directions or labeling is based on one's position and facing in these directions. "put this in your East hand" could be an imperative in the culture.
Having said that, leverage stage direction: Left and Right is Audience Left and Right, whereas Stage Left and Stage Right also exists and is generally the reverse. For instance, I exit Stage Left but to look at it you'd think it was the Right.
Those do exist, if you exit stage left facing away from the audience it stays put. Which side of your bed do you seat your audience and can we get a ticket to the performance?
Left/right are ambiguous terms.
Your solution would be a great way to practice spatial awareness. Could get exhausting constantly reorienting to where is north, but would benefit us in any post apocalyptic future.
My dance teachers always gave up and started using directions like "toward the mirror, towards the back wall, toward the door, toward the window" because right or left always a slight pause while I was figuring out which is which, and probably not just me. Once the dance was learned it was fine. Jazzercise teachers have to announce backwards (yell right when they are themselves going left), they wanted me to teach but sure it would break my hold on R/L entirely.
Driving it's easier, left is the side with oncoming traffic here. But when giving directions I'm not driving and revert to the N,S,E,W - I am not a compass, just lived here a long time, I had a friend who was a compass, you could blindfold her, spin her around a bunch till dizzy and she could still find north, blindfolded.
Following because this drives me nuts too
Someone save us, give us an authoritative answer
Happy to hear we aren't the only ones.
To avoid confusion, just say driver and passenger side.
I meant this to be a joke, but if you assume your bed drives forward toward the side with your pillows then it actually works. But if you read in bed with a reading pillow then I guess you probably want to drive your bed toward your feet side of the bed...
Driver and passenger side confuses me more because of your last point. It's backwards. But it still needs to be named foot of the bed and not head because it's where it feet go. So your first point also makes sense. Both are right and wrong at the same time
Obviously the perspective of lying on the bed face-up. Though I may be biased because our bed is next to the window (feet side) so you can't look at it form the foot of the bed -- either from the side or behind our heads
Ahhh, it's chips and fries I see.
Imagine you are driving the bed. If you lean up you're looking forward. You could call them driver and passenger side based on this. Sort of like port and starboard lol.
but that would make beds the other way around in some countries
It is left as an exercise for the bed users who are from countries which drive on different side of the roads to determine their own phrasing.
actually quite enjoyable, ty!
Lie in bed on your back. Stick out your left hand. That is the left side of the bed. Stick out your right hand. That is the right side of the bed.
Completely arbitrary.
I have no idea. Like others I usually request the side closest to the bathroom since I go during the night more often than her. I could see it either way.
My girlfriend lies on my right arm, so she's on the right side of the bed and I'm on the left.
If I'm talking about sides of the bed, I'm almost never in the bed at the same time, so I would be talking from a position at the foot of the bed. Beds are practically never in the middle of the room, so I wouldn't be standing over the head of the bed while orienting. So the foot of the bed is the default position to reference.
If I'm in bed and talking about sides, I usually just guesture and say, "this side" (or "your/my side" if I'm talking to my wife) instead of designating left or right.
Your logic is that of my BFs.
If the bed to be used with people in it, I think that perspective should be the fixed perspective how it is used. If you're partner is on your right hand side, the side you sleep on is the left.
Maybe it's just a weird mental imagery thing to me, but if I'm talking about sides of the bed, I first mentally orient myself in the room of that bed before I can explain which side I'm talking about.
If I'm talking to someone whom I don't share a bed with, it feels weird to describe the bed from my perspective in it. I'd rather explain from a neutral position near the bed, not my position while using it. Especially if I'm talking about other people's beds. I don't want to imagine myself in their bed before discussing a side of the bed.
To me, there's a huge difference between the generic "left and right" side of the bed from the perspective of the foot of the bed, and "left and right" side based on which side I occupy at night. One feels far more personal, and I'd rather not deal with that visual, or risk other visually-oriented people like me imagining me in bed.
In medicine you use the view of the examiner like your boyfriend. I don't think that is reasonable for the people lying down though.
So using the point of the examiner, is the mattress the belly or back or the bed? I say it's the belly, the baseboard would be the back. So it would be the same as laying in the bed.
I might have gotten things messed up because I am not a medical student. Apparently the swap happens only for MRI and similar things where the picture swaps the coronal plane.
If you want the explanation for it search for sagittal and coronal plane. It gives you a way of talking about bodies independent of rotation.
port-side?
"Complicated descriptions"? Is there a lamp on one side, or a closet door? Just use that as a frame of reference, I wouldn't call that a complicated description. Or, if you usually have the same bigs-poon, little-spoon orientation, you can describe which shoulder you're laying on. But I still think using features of the room is the simplest way. "I'm laying on the closet side."
Fair point. Complicated descriptions may have an exaggeration, but relative to simply left/right it's still mildly accurate. I'm not a sensory thinker so pulling from objects other than what I'm referencing seems like adding a few extra cognitive steps. Silly, I'm aware, but that's my brain.
Where is the head and foot of the bed? Where are the top and the bottom? If the bed were stood up on the foot, is the top the front or the back? These questions may have something to do with the answer or are completely meaningless.