Steamboat Willy in "Steamboat Willy Recites Racist Quotes from Walt Disney"
I hope so 🙏🙏🙏
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I predict a complete overhaul of our trademark and copyright laws that will accommodate Disney's desires.
You know... Basically what they did last time.
Too late for copyright laws, it's in the public domain and can't go back afaik. Now trademark laws can be interesting.
Oh, they already managed to "fix" copyright retroactively once.
Actually SCOTUS ruled that extending the copyright pulls it out of public domain in Golan v Holder. Congress passed a law that put some literary and musical works back into copyright from the public domain. A case was brought by some educators and musicians that the removal of these works from the public domain infri get on their free speech, but the Court disagreed 6-2.
Doing that for Trademark law is why they didn't bother lobbying for longer copyright this time. They could protect their Mouse trademark without relying on Steamboat Willy like they did before.
Quite honestly: nothing. Some folks might deliberately use Steamboat Willie in some content because they can, and Disney will likely try and attack some of those people in court based on trademark law if applicable.
But I don't really see a lot of actual utility in the Steamboat Willie character, outside of Disney itself. Any use of it is ultimately just referring to the "I can do this now" aspect of having just entered public domain, which frankly isn't that interesting.
use Steamboat Willy in some content because they can
"Fuck you, Disney! Look what I can do now" *makes armpit fart noises*
Ha, I mean, yeah. What other reason would someone want Steamboat Willie?
I legit hope there is one for artistic purposes. I just think the majority will not be for artistic purposes.
If you look what happened with pooh I'm guessing we may see the same thing happen here. There will definitely be testing of the waters on what people can do
Saw ONE design of the character on Twitter that actually made for an interesting idea that could be expanded upon, there IS space for someone to do smth cool about it but I honestly don't think anyone will.
Hey, Toontown Rewritten could model this Mickey and use it for something I guess.
But I don’t really see a lot of actual utility in the Steamboat Willy character
Could he be used to sell riverboat cruises?
I forsee a Trademark problem that many didn't expect, and Disney trying to defend their copyright by saying that they used the same version in a Mickey Mouse cartoon in 2023.
I foresaw the trademark thing and so have many others. But that doesn't restrict as much as the recently-expired copyright does. Mostly the continuing trademark means that one can't use the Steamboat Willie Mickey Mouse in a way that misleads people that your own work is by Disney.
About the thing about Disney claiming that because they used Steamboat Willie Mickey in more recent woks they can still claim copyright protections on elements of Mickey Mouse that were a thing in Steamboat Willie, I really don't think copyright works like that.
All that said, Disney has a rabid legal team and lots of experience at lobbying congress. Who knows what they're capable of. It's possible they'd try to pull some major fast one and make copyright and/or trademark work differently than they do today.
I foresaw the trademark thing
About the thing about Disney claiming that because they used Steamboat Willie Mickey in more recent woks they can still claim copyright protections on elements of Mickey Mouse that were a thing in Steamboat Willie, I really don't think copyright works like that.
Mickey in Steamboat Willie just looks... odd.
The 'normal' Mickey is still under copyright so not a lot was gained through Steambiat Willie losing copyright protection.
Sure it would be nice if we coud use more modern elements of Mickey. But I don't agree that this isn't a big deal.
Before 2019, one couldn't have blamed us for expecting nothing to ever pass into the public domain again. Steamboat Willie would have passed into the public domain in 1955 had 13 distinct acts of Congress (prompted by lobbiests from, among others, Disney) between the years 1976 and 1998 not extended copyright each time Steamboat Willie came close to entering the public domain. The last one in 1998, the "Sonny Bono" Copyright Term Extension Act was called by its detractors at the time the "Mickey Mouse Protection Act." Basically Mickey Mouse and Steamboat Willie are probably the most emblematic works in any conversation of copyright run amok. So, if nothing else, the copyright expiring on Steamboat Willie is a hugely symbolic occurrence.
But also, it's not as if people aren't using Mickey in works already. I've seen several web comics just here on Lemmy. And there's a video game in the works.
I'd love to see WB do something -- anything -- with the Steamboat Willie version of Mickey Mouse.
And finally, does Steamboat Willie Mickey really look that different from more modern Mickey renditions? The eyes are probably the biggest difference. But also realize that now that Steamboat Willie (and at least one other early Mickey Mouse animation) is in the public domain, there's room for other modern-looking reimaginings of Mickey Mouse that might differ from the modern Disney Mickey Mouse.
In 2013 Walt Disney Animation Studios released a theatrical short called “Get a Horse!” which features 1920s era Mickey complete with archival audio of Walt as Mickey (and others who voiced him then) as well as renditions of other classic era Disney characters including Minnie, Pete, Horace, and Oswald. Heck, even the logo for WDAS in that sort is Mickey whistling in Steamboat Willie.
It’s a pretty decent short too, even if you know nothing about Disney. And it played before Frozen in the cinema, 4th highest-grossing animation of all time.
I remember at the time thinking whether they might be doing it to try and protect their rights. I’m no lawyer though.
Well the copyright has expired, there's no defending it afaik. People can use it even if Disney is using it afaik.
Trademark is more like logos. It will be interesting to see what they will try to defend under it.
Didn’t they make a Steamboat Willie Lego set in the last few years? That renew it?
Yes, they did. Before that, LEGO also released blind bag minifigures for Steamboat Willie and Minnie Mouse. I'm currently designing a LEGO MOC to display my figures with a small rendition of the Steamboat Willie boat. (I purchase my parts used from BrickLink to reduce costs.)
Steamboat Willy porn
Steamboat's Willy
Willy's steamy boat
Oh, is that Vikings Love Boat docudrama finally getting made?
Mickey doing a Cleveland steamer on Minney in a boat chugging down the river.
Rule 34
Help step-steamboat, I'm stuck in the washing machine.
Stanley Steamboat Willy
Bathhouse Willy
As if Disney rule34 wasn't around in 1999. We just didn't call it rule34 back then.
Monetized rule 34 Mickey stuff.
Massive amounts of rule 34
Ahh. It was copyright keeping us safe from that.
A lot of Disney throwing its weight around as people accidentally overstep the bounds of copyright, trademark and other legal stuff like that.
Not saying Disney would be in the right. But Disney is bonkers for this kind of stuff, and they've got ridiculous amounts of money to spend in court.
Well the copyright expired, that's why it's now public domain. But the trademark is still there.
That's why they worked him into one of their animated intro logos a few years ago.
A trademark (also written trade mark or trade-mark[1]) is a type of intellectual property consisting of a recognizable sign, design, or expression that identifies a product or service from a particular source and distinguishes it from others.[2][3]
I would say an animated intro isn't a trademark, and even then making a movie with that material isn't copying someone's trademark for your trademark. But this could get interesting.
I mean they just need to slap a (TM) on every official appearence of Mickey. Hell, they can easily say an abstract representstion of Mickey's ears represent Disney and they wouldn't even be wrong.
This is pushing my knowledge but trademark infringement would be if you use their logo as your logo. You can't mislead people into thinking your product comes from them. That doesn't mean you can't ever have public domain things in your product.
A veritable orgy of uninspired crap taking advantage of the fact that people want to feel subversive but don't actually want to subvert anything or say or do anything interesting, because all of those things are hard.
Basically the same thing as the Pooh-but-not-tigger comics you see posted on here that people pretend are funny.
Tbh when it comes to stuff like the pooh movie. I think that probably could count as fair use anyway. Ultimately I've been hoping for more things to enter public domain for historical preservation via piracy. Just look at Nintendo not only have they done nothing to preserve older games but they seem to go out of their way to make sure they get erased. Because how dare someone get a product you don't even sell anymore. I just see these parody? films and think the only reason they exist is because copyright life has been extended for soo far that people are giddy that they can now use and distribute old content.
That is the thing I’m seeing the most this past year and it’s already starting up for this year - there seems to be little thoughtfulness being put into things online. It’s just a firehose of high-engagement, low-impact, low-thought chaff.
I expect someone to train a video machine learning algo to produce any plot of any cartoon promptable in the featured style.
Then any of the above.
Start VPN
Open inprivate browser
Go to newgrounds
Go to Art
In the top right, turn off Adult filter and turn on other age group filters
Open a few in new tabs
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Eh, not that bad. Just a bunch of yiff and oversized tits.
Also you need an account to enable the A button which defeats the purpose of the VPN and incog tab.
You can still log in with a VPN on, but when you leave the incog then you'll automatically delete the cookie signing you back out. If you reject all cookies then you can't log in.
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Not sure what all data Newgrounds sells but there is no curating and unless you're donating to a creator then there is no incentive to give them any personal information. They will just have your email, username, and a random IP from somewhere else in the world.
Your Feed on Newgrounds is just posts from people you've followed, nothing more. When you go to the art tab you see what you would see if you were anybody else.
Steamboat horror story
I just saw a post with an article saying indie filmmakers already scrambling to make a horror movie like the Pooh one.
Mickey Mouse starring in Steamboat Willy's Death Boat Race 2000, Electric Boogaloo.
Minimal Tecno music videos
Steamboat dildies.
Vietnam war
[Fortunate son intensifies]
Dope af stuff
Felix and Mickey, Noir Buddy Cop stuff? Excited.
Hallelujah!! Maybe now we’ll finally see the conclusion to Air Pirates!
Steamboat Willy in "Steamboat Willy Recites Racist Quotes from Walt Disney"
I hope so 🙏🙏🙏
Who knew twitters username on Lemmy was gibmiser
I predict a complete overhaul of our trademark and copyright laws that will accommodate Disney's desires.
You know... Basically what they did last time.
Too late for copyright laws, it's in the public domain and can't go back afaik. Now trademark laws can be interesting.
Oh, they already managed to "fix" copyright retroactively once.
Actually SCOTUS ruled that extending the copyright pulls it out of public domain in Golan v Holder. Congress passed a law that put some literary and musical works back into copyright from the public domain. A case was brought by some educators and musicians that the removal of these works from the public domain infri get on their free speech, but the Court disagreed 6-2.
Doing that for Trademark law is why they didn't bother lobbying for longer copyright this time. They could protect their Mouse trademark without relying on Steamboat Willy like they did before.
Quite honestly: nothing. Some folks might deliberately use Steamboat Willie in some content because they can, and Disney will likely try and attack some of those people in court based on trademark law if applicable.
But I don't really see a lot of actual utility in the Steamboat Willie character, outside of Disney itself. Any use of it is ultimately just referring to the "I can do this now" aspect of having just entered public domain, which frankly isn't that interesting.
"Fuck you, Disney! Look what I can do now" *makes armpit fart noises*
Ha, I mean, yeah. What other reason would someone want Steamboat Willie?
I legit hope there is one for artistic purposes. I just think the majority will not be for artistic purposes.
If you look what happened with pooh I'm guessing we may see the same thing happen here. There will definitely be testing of the waters on what people can do
Saw ONE design of the character on Twitter that actually made for an interesting idea that could be expanded upon, there IS space for someone to do smth cool about it but I honestly don't think anyone will. Hey, Toontown Rewritten could model this Mickey and use it for something I guess.
Could he be used to sell riverboat cruises?
I forsee a Trademark problem that many didn't expect, and Disney trying to defend their copyright by saying that they used the same version in a Mickey Mouse cartoon in 2023.
I foresaw the trademark thing and so have many others. But that doesn't restrict as much as the recently-expired copyright does. Mostly the continuing trademark means that one can't use the Steamboat Willie Mickey Mouse in a way that misleads people that your own work is by Disney.
About the thing about Disney claiming that because they used Steamboat Willie Mickey in more recent woks they can still claim copyright protections on elements of Mickey Mouse that were a thing in Steamboat Willie, I really don't think copyright works like that.
All that said, Disney has a rabid legal team and lots of experience at lobbying congress. Who knows what they're capable of. It's possible they'd try to pull some major fast one and make copyright and/or trademark work differently than they do today.
Mickey in Steamboat Willie just looks... odd.
The 'normal' Mickey is still under copyright so not a lot was gained through Steambiat Willie losing copyright protection.
Sure it would be nice if we coud use more modern elements of Mickey. But I don't agree that this isn't a big deal.
Before 2019, one couldn't have blamed us for expecting nothing to ever pass into the public domain again. Steamboat Willie would have passed into the public domain in 1955 had 13 distinct acts of Congress (prompted by lobbiests from, among others, Disney) between the years 1976 and 1998 not extended copyright each time Steamboat Willie came close to entering the public domain. The last one in 1998, the "Sonny Bono" Copyright Term Extension Act was called by its detractors at the time the "Mickey Mouse Protection Act." Basically Mickey Mouse and Steamboat Willie are probably the most emblematic works in any conversation of copyright run amok. So, if nothing else, the copyright expiring on Steamboat Willie is a hugely symbolic occurrence.
But also, it's not as if people aren't using Mickey in works already. I've seen several web comics just here on Lemmy. And there's a video game in the works.
I'd love to see WB do something -- anything -- with the Steamboat Willie version of Mickey Mouse.
And finally, does Steamboat Willie Mickey really look that different from more modern Mickey renditions? The eyes are probably the biggest difference. But also realize that now that Steamboat Willie (and at least one other early Mickey Mouse animation) is in the public domain, there's room for other modern-looking reimaginings of Mickey Mouse that might differ from the modern Disney Mickey Mouse.
In 2013 Walt Disney Animation Studios released a theatrical short called “Get a Horse!” which features 1920s era Mickey complete with archival audio of Walt as Mickey (and others who voiced him then) as well as renditions of other classic era Disney characters including Minnie, Pete, Horace, and Oswald. Heck, even the logo for WDAS in that sort is Mickey whistling in Steamboat Willie.
It’s a pretty decent short too, even if you know nothing about Disney. And it played before Frozen in the cinema, 4th highest-grossing animation of all time.
I remember at the time thinking whether they might be doing it to try and protect their rights. I’m no lawyer though.
Well the copyright has expired, there's no defending it afaik. People can use it even if Disney is using it afaik.
Trademark is more like logos. It will be interesting to see what they will try to defend under it.
Didn’t they make a Steamboat Willie Lego set in the last few years? That renew it?
Yes, they did. Before that, LEGO also released blind bag minifigures for Steamboat Willie and Minnie Mouse. I'm currently designing a LEGO MOC to display my figures with a small rendition of the Steamboat Willie boat. (I purchase my parts used from BrickLink to reduce costs.)
Steamboat Willy porn
Steamboat's Willy
Willy's steamy boat
Oh, is that Vikings Love Boat docudrama finally getting made?
Mickey doing a Cleveland steamer on Minney in a boat chugging down the river.
Rule 34
Help step-steamboat, I'm stuck in the washing machine.
Stanley Steamboat Willy
Bathhouse Willy
As if Disney rule34 wasn't around in 1999. We just didn't call it rule34 back then.
Monetized rule 34 Mickey stuff.
Massive amounts of rule 34
Ahh. It was copyright keeping us safe from that.
A lot of Disney throwing its weight around as people accidentally overstep the bounds of copyright, trademark and other legal stuff like that.
Not saying Disney would be in the right. But Disney is bonkers for this kind of stuff, and they've got ridiculous amounts of money to spend in court.
Well the copyright expired, that's why it's now public domain. But the trademark is still there.
That's why they worked him into one of their animated intro logos a few years ago.
I would say an animated intro isn't a trademark, and even then making a movie with that material isn't copying someone's trademark for your trademark. But this could get interesting.
I mean they just need to slap a (TM) on every official appearence of Mickey. Hell, they can easily say an abstract representstion of Mickey's ears represent Disney and they wouldn't even be wrong.
This is pushing my knowledge but trademark infringement would be if you use their logo as your logo. You can't mislead people into thinking your product comes from them. That doesn't mean you can't ever have public domain things in your product.
A veritable orgy of uninspired crap taking advantage of the fact that people want to feel subversive but don't actually want to subvert anything or say or do anything interesting, because all of those things are hard.
Basically the same thing as the Pooh-but-not-tigger comics you see posted on here that people pretend are funny.
Tbh when it comes to stuff like the pooh movie. I think that probably could count as fair use anyway. Ultimately I've been hoping for more things to enter public domain for historical preservation via piracy. Just look at Nintendo not only have they done nothing to preserve older games but they seem to go out of their way to make sure they get erased. Because how dare someone get a product you don't even sell anymore. I just see these parody? films and think the only reason they exist is because copyright life has been extended for soo far that people are giddy that they can now use and distribute old content.
That is the thing I’m seeing the most this past year and it’s already starting up for this year - there seems to be little thoughtfulness being put into things online. It’s just a firehose of high-engagement, low-impact, low-thought chaff.
Edit: Saw this 2 posts after this one: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/7129376
honest to god fact
A over hyped shitty horror games.
Mouse.exe gonna be wild
Just like the shitty horror movie for Pooh lol.
A lot of lobbying by Disney.
John Oliver will lean into it.
More lobbying?
Smash Bros. DLC
I expect someone to train a video machine learning algo to produce any plot of any cartoon promptable in the featured style.
Then any of the above.
Start VPN
Open inprivate browser
Go to newgrounds
Go to Art
In the top right, turn off Adult filter and turn on other age group filters
Open a few in new tabs
Leave ashamed
Eh, not that bad. Just a bunch of yiff and oversized tits.
Also you need an account to enable the A button which defeats the purpose of the VPN and incog tab.
You can still log in with a VPN on, but when you leave the incog then you'll automatically delete the cookie signing you back out. If you reject all cookies then you can't log in.
I assume Newgrounds tracks what things you view to help curate their feed. Deleting cookies won't help in forgetting you looked at that stuff.
Not sure what all data Newgrounds sells but there is no curating and unless you're donating to a creator then there is no incentive to give them any personal information. They will just have your email, username, and a random IP from somewhere else in the world.
Your Feed on Newgrounds is just posts from people you've followed, nothing more. When you go to the art tab you see what you would see if you were anybody else.
Steamboat horror story
I just saw a post with an article saying indie filmmakers already scrambling to make a horror movie like the Pooh one.
Mickey Mouse starring in Steamboat Willy's Death Boat Race 2000, Electric Boogaloo.
Minimal Tecno music videos
Steamboat dildies.
Vietnam war
[Fortunate son intensifies]
Dope af stuff Felix and Mickey, Noir Buddy Cop stuff? Excited.
Hallelujah!! Maybe now we’ll finally see the conclusion to Air Pirates!
Mickey-Mouse: Blood & Cheese
A terrible horror film.
Nothing mickey mouse is boring as fuck
Might become interesting now.