You can buy a mid level sedan with a turbo today that will blow the doors off of most cars from that era. I mean we have cars today with 1500+ horsepower with zero modifications.
I don't disagree with your first part but 1,500 stock HP?? Even Tesla, known for making up numbers, says that the S Plaid makes 1,020hp.
Eh, I'm not trying to be pedantic but it seems a bit disingenuous to include boutique hypercars in this kind of conversation. Almost all those above 1,200hp were produced in extremely limited production runs. Sure, we might have cars making 1,500hp or more, but it isn't like that's in any way common or the technology needed to make them is attainable to many people. Shit, I think a more effective comparison to get your point across is the fact that a base level Civic is making more power than a '67 Nova SS.
Yeah from the list the absolutely nuts, one-off, dragracing versions of cars from the 50s/60s made ~400hp. Which could be outdone by an option on the Camero last year. And if you wanted more it's not difficult, just more money.
And raw HP numbers don't take into account how much better modern cars drive or how much safer they are. I daily a car from the 80s and love it. But lack of ABS or traction control or airbags or a collapsible steering column does come to mind every once in awhile. Cars from the 50s/60s will have notably worse handling/cornering/etc.
*Camaro
Bitchin
I think a more effective comparison to get your point across is the fact that a base level Civic is making more power than a '67 Nova SS.
You're literally just rewording the first sentence of my original comment dawg.
The first part of my first reply was literally "I don't disagree with your first part."
Then why say any of this at all lol you're suggesting I make an analogy I already made
This is the mentality of older boomers you didn't go through the war or the 50s you were a baby. You literally rode the 60s-90s boom train . Remember one telling me rose tinted stories about rationing dude was 50 it ended like 20 years before he was born
You had me worried for a minute there. Had to check I wasn't in a community for Facebook memes.
I think most of that is true, (born in 1959 myself), but I'm not remembering them being such happy days. Maybe less well informed days would be a better way to put it; before we had instant news of every bad thing happening, we lived in a kind of blissful ignorance.
Everyone on earth is racist, make no mistake. It's hardwired into our brains to see other certain groups of people as lesser or less deserving. Maybe it's a holdover from primitive times, we're not that far out from having been cave-people, maybe being tribal was a way of protecting ourselves. At any rate, everyone has some racism and/or phobia about others inside themselves.
The thing that's "hardwired" is tribalism.
A modern tribe is a class, or race, or people from a certain country, or even fans of a different sports team.... It's far more complex now. Each of these tribes are seen differently by each person, both within the "tribe" and external to the tribe. Eg, an American sees other Americans differently than a European sees Americans. Different clarifications and qualifiers are put on who is "in" the tribe and who isn't. Where one individual may see "Americans" as anyone with a valid American citizenship, and another may see it as "only God fearing white Christians living in America are really Americans".... Kind of thing.
Personally, I see all peoples of all races and nationalities, who live on earth as part of the tribe of humans. I am a part of that tribe and all other tribal tenancies or definitions are irrelevant for me. So I'm not excluding someone because of what they believe, how much they make, or what their heritage might be.
In the before times, tribal mentalities were very useful, ensuring your tribe and your family survive. If that means taking all you can from another tribe, then that is what needs to happen. The tribe is of paramount importance. Even if you are killed, the tribe will help raise your offspring and the survival of your genetics is ensured.
It was a very greedy and selfish mindset which was required to ensure survival back then.
In the modern era, tribalism only creates division among the population. Whether this takes form as racism or nationalism or a religious crusade, it's no longer required and only sews dissonance between you and your neighbors.
You have a choice to make over who is "in" your tribe and who isn't. I would argue that drawing that line based on race is possibly one of the worst ways to choose your tribe. We no longer need to fight over resources to survive. We do not need to divide ourselves over these petty things.
Maybe less well informed days would be a better way to put it; before we had instant news of every bad thing happening, we lived in a kind of blissful ignorance.
Wasn't uncensored violent footage of, for instance, the Vietnam War or civil rights conflicts readily broadcast on national news in the 60s? This was always my impression of the previous era as someone who graduated high school in the relatively sanitized 90s.
We still got drive-ins. Got a footjob at one once.
Ewwww. Dude those feet could have touched the food! Who knows where that food has been?!
I'll stick to my footjobs in a more healthy establishment like that dumpster behind the waffle house.
Truly the pinnacle of human experience.
...and ignorant, and stupid, and moronic, and selfish, and rude, and entitled, and...
🎵 With Brains Full of Lead 🎶
If you were born in the 50's you had rock and roll, acid rock, heavy metal, disco, synthwave, house, grunge, and rap.
Not a bad claim to the best music. They only missed classical, jazz and big band. Weird Al was born in the 50's. If you think Weird Al doesn't have the best music then I say to you, "Good day, sir!"
Weird Al's music is mostly just other people's music, with his own lyrics.
Weird Al doesn't have the best music.
<3
Good day, sir!
Good day!
born in the '50s*
*millennia
1999ers have a good chance to see 3 centuries and 2 millenia, dats even cooler :)
Are they aware Happy Days wasn’t a documentary?
I don't even understand this shit. People born in the 50s came of age in the 60s and the 70s. When they say they had happy days, they literally mean they watched it on TV.
WHAT! The Fonz wasn't real? That's crazy talk. You must be one of those Cosby people or Italian.
7 decades
Not that old yet
🤔
Fastest cars, yet can't do 35 in a 40 zone..
Or my personal blood boiler: doing 50 in a 60 zone. Drops to a 40 zone, they continue to do 50
But it evens out!!!
Needs more fax machine artefacts for that authentic boomer-meme look.
8 decades, now.
You're missing quite a lot of words that end in phobic at the end there.
Meanwhile in todays day have consumer cars that burn as much fuel as a semi, large 4x4 child pedestrian killers driven by soccer moms, Proud boys aren’t that old and they are pretty racist and active, School shootings, ‘anxious’ gun nuts shooting little girls on their lawns and clowns running countries into a 3rd world state during pandemics and giving bailouts to capitalist billionaires who are of a millennial age which are the entire cause of the housing crisis while there should be more than enough living space. There shouldn’t even be homeless right now.
Complain all you want about boomers but all the newer generations came in hot on the heels to make it far worse than any boomer did. They poured gallons of gasoline on that fire.
Fuck off with this ‘Z VS Boomer’ crap especially if you’re sitting here calling their music the best and listening to it.
Man I don't disagree, but this is lemmyshitpost.
Lemmy shitpost all too frequently devolves (or I guess evolves) into some serious discussion. Why can't shitpost just be shitpost?!
I don't know. I just come here to shit, post, and fuck with people who don't realise what community they've stumbled into after I've courteously made them aware of it.
It most definitely is a shitPost you got that right.
Yes. That's where we are. The shitposting community. It's where we shitpost.
Woosh
No, buddy, it's actually you who looks stupid
No, no it's very obvious. I'm just shitposting.
Pigeonholing / steoreotyping people according to an aspect over which they have zero control? Yeah that does sound vaguely unfriendly - just a bit!
Even better. Doing that to accuse people of pigeonholing/stereotyping people according to an aspect they have zero control.
Upvoting. Or, accusing people of accusing people of pigeonholing/stereotyping people according to an aspect they have zero control!
If it wasn't a shitpost it would've been illegal in many countries
Just wait'll the fascists take control in the next election, and it may become so here! (this statement works regardless of country or year or even party affiliation, unfortunately, but people are people)
Well I'm hoping everyone votes for the non-fascists. I certainly will.
Plot twist: both sides are fascists.
But not equally.
Not here they ain't. Parliamentary democracy with proportional representation, baby. It's the bees knees!
Wow, a representative democracy - I have heard those words before but I struggle to even so much as begin to understand what it might be like in such a place. For instance, I presume you have socialized healthcare? (It's a good bet b/c the only 2 first-world countries that do not are the USA and Saudia Arabia iirc:-P)
Switzerland and Japan both do not have socialized health care, off the top of my head. They have much more tightly regulated insurance and prices, but their healthcare isn't covered by taxes.
But hey, at least they had the choice in becoming racist.
(not all of them are, I know)
(Wow a lot of downvoters here but fwiw I at least upvoted you.)
You bring up a FASCINATING tangent: is there a minimum level of agency required for someone to be "wrong"? Like if ChatGPT were to say something that represent racist trolling language, is it racist, or is it merely incorrectly trained? (and if it is a racist troll, then why is it not banned entirely from places like Reddit, Facebook, Tumblr, Threads, X, and the Fediverse? humans that do precisely that have that happen to them - why is it treated with "kid gloves"?)
Moreover, if someone steps up to become a leader, do we hold them to a higher standard? e.g. even though Trump can barely pass a test to determine if he is mentally incapable, do we hold his actions (such as assassination, invasion of another country like Russia is doing, etc.) against him? Do these standards vary according to the level of leadership, e.g. what if someone is not running to be a President, but they do vote to remove access to medical care for pregnant mothers - does the person bear any responsibility whatsoever for their actions in that case, if they "merely voted", the way that their cough cough evangelical christian cough pastors told them to?
Another source of bias is a personal relationship - is someone wrong, or conversely not wrong, even if they are your mother or father?
I think the Western world is under attack, and we have some difficult decisions ahead of us. People people are literally dying, and we are in this trolly staring at the lever. Whatever the attacker does is on them, but whatever we do in response is on us. imho. But if I say that, then isn't it likewise on them, those people who vote in the other way than I think is correct?
Thanks. The only reason I wrote it because I believe people CAN stop being racist. I grew in a small town (and family) where almost nobody was nazi level racist, but the kind that still grabs their bag when a gypsy/roma person gets on the bus. No N words, no swastikas but the kind of "passive" racism where you still have unrealistic prejudices and stereotypes.
It took me a few years, meeting more people, getting some education (and a few amazing girlfriends) to realise that I've been fed some unfiltered, biased information on ethnical minorities, people of colour and the LGBT community. But the same way as I could get more information and stop being racist, I think the majority of those people (if not everybody) can, as well.
Good points! Fwiw, though I've never met a roma person, I thought that one was more "cultural" than "ethnic", and also that it was a part of the culture (literally) to steal. That said, one should keep a solid eye on their belongings regardless of who else is around, so the "clutch" seems entirely unnecessary. Being aware is just good advice, though not making an obvious clutch is an "anti-racist" pattern that considers the feelings of the person that just stepped onto the bus, and I would strongly advocate for doing both actually.
One thing to add to your story though: you were willing to learn - but not everybody is. And if your racist parents, just to give an example, were to vote against women's healthcare, then their choices will lead to literal deaths, possibly even of your very girlfriend, like if a period went wrong one day but then doctors did not know what they were allowed vs. not allowed to do and she died as a result. At least, this is happening in America. This is not theoretical - this is ACTUALLY happening.
Russia may be feeding into the existing prejudices in the Western World - by making memes, making TV shows (like Tucker Carlson's, before he got booted out as a result of going too far), bribing politicians; and overall causing or at least inflaming or taking advantage of things like Brexit - but the people who make themselves into sheep and enact those wills... they bear some of the responsibility as well. As in, if they ever were fortunate to have your own experiences, then they would look back at how they voted decades ago and feel guilt. Assuming that they were still alive - which many of the anti-vaxxers are already not anymore. And they did not go down quietly: they took MANY others along with them too. They also prevented us from even so much as counting precisely how many there were, but from the excess death stats it was A LOT - in the USA we lost more people to covid than all the wars we've ever had combined (with the one exception of the immensely bloody civil war on our own soil, and even that number we've probably blown past by now?).
True Boomer Monolithicism on display.
But yeah, it was the damn hivemind commies who were the problem
It's not called the me generation for no reason at all.
So we hate monolithicism, understood.
Yes, we all do. Universally. Monolithically, you might say.
WE hated racists and fascists.
WE didn't want to die in medical poverty.
WE believed in eating the rich.
Anyone who didn't like them wasn't one of US.
Speaking truth to power
You can buy a mid level sedan with a turbo today that will blow the doors off of most cars from that era. I mean we have cars today with 1500+ horsepower with zero modifications.
I don't disagree with your first part but 1,500 stock HP?? Even Tesla, known for making up numbers, says that the S Plaid makes 1,020hp.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_production_cars_by_power_output
Eh, I'm not trying to be pedantic but it seems a bit disingenuous to include boutique hypercars in this kind of conversation. Almost all those above 1,200hp were produced in extremely limited production runs. Sure, we might have cars making 1,500hp or more, but it isn't like that's in any way common or the technology needed to make them is attainable to many people. Shit, I think a more effective comparison to get your point across is the fact that a base level Civic is making more power than a '67 Nova SS.
Yeah from the list the absolutely nuts, one-off, dragracing versions of cars from the 50s/60s made ~400hp. Which could be outdone by an option on the Camero last year. And if you wanted more it's not difficult, just more money.
And raw HP numbers don't take into account how much better modern cars drive or how much safer they are. I daily a car from the 80s and love it. But lack of ABS or traction control or airbags or a collapsible steering column does come to mind every once in awhile. Cars from the 50s/60s will have notably worse handling/cornering/etc.
*Camaro
Bitchin
You're literally just rewording the first sentence of my original comment dawg.
The first part of my first reply was literally "I don't disagree with your first part."
Then why say any of this at all lol you're suggesting I make an analogy I already made
Triples of the Nova.
People from the 50 usually could earn actually money that they could save and now buy new cars
People nowadays definitely earn that kind of money, they just don't get it.
This is the mentality of older boomers you didn't go through the war or the 50s you were a baby. You literally rode the 60s-90s boom train . Remember one telling me rose tinted stories about rationing dude was 50 it ended like 20 years before he was born
You had me worried for a minute there. Had to check I wasn't in a community for Facebook memes.
We can make it so if you want!
Deploy the minions!
Glorious.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I think most of that is true, (born in 1959 myself), but I'm not remembering them being such happy days. Maybe less well informed days would be a better way to put it; before we had instant news of every bad thing happening, we lived in a kind of blissful ignorance.
Everyone on earth is racist, make no mistake. It's hardwired into our brains to see other certain groups of people as lesser or less deserving. Maybe it's a holdover from primitive times, we're not that far out from having been cave-people, maybe being tribal was a way of protecting ourselves. At any rate, everyone has some racism and/or phobia about others inside themselves.
The thing that's "hardwired" is tribalism.
A modern tribe is a class, or race, or people from a certain country, or even fans of a different sports team.... It's far more complex now. Each of these tribes are seen differently by each person, both within the "tribe" and external to the tribe. Eg, an American sees other Americans differently than a European sees Americans. Different clarifications and qualifiers are put on who is "in" the tribe and who isn't. Where one individual may see "Americans" as anyone with a valid American citizenship, and another may see it as "only God fearing white Christians living in America are really Americans".... Kind of thing.
Personally, I see all peoples of all races and nationalities, who live on earth as part of the tribe of humans. I am a part of that tribe and all other tribal tenancies or definitions are irrelevant for me. So I'm not excluding someone because of what they believe, how much they make, or what their heritage might be.
In the before times, tribal mentalities were very useful, ensuring your tribe and your family survive. If that means taking all you can from another tribe, then that is what needs to happen. The tribe is of paramount importance. Even if you are killed, the tribe will help raise your offspring and the survival of your genetics is ensured.
It was a very greedy and selfish mindset which was required to ensure survival back then.
In the modern era, tribalism only creates division among the population. Whether this takes form as racism or nationalism or a religious crusade, it's no longer required and only sews dissonance between you and your neighbors.
You have a choice to make over who is "in" your tribe and who isn't. I would argue that drawing that line based on race is possibly one of the worst ways to choose your tribe. We no longer need to fight over resources to survive. We do not need to divide ourselves over these petty things.
Wasn't uncensored violent footage of, for instance, the Vietnam War or civil rights conflicts readily broadcast on national news in the 60s? This was always my impression of the previous era as someone who graduated high school in the relatively sanitized 90s.
We still got drive-ins. Got a footjob at one once.
Ewwww. Dude those feet could have touched the food! Who knows where that food has been?!
I'll stick to my footjobs in a more healthy establishment like that dumpster behind the waffle house.
Truly the pinnacle of human experience.
...and ignorant, and stupid, and moronic, and selfish, and rude, and entitled, and...
🎵 With Brains Full of Lead 🎶
If you were born in the 50's you had rock and roll, acid rock, heavy metal, disco, synthwave, house, grunge, and rap.
Not a bad claim to the best music. They only missed classical, jazz and big band. Weird Al was born in the 50's. If you think Weird Al doesn't have the best music then I say to you, "Good day, sir!"
Weird Al's music is mostly just other people's music, with his own lyrics.
Weird Al doesn't have the best music.
<3
Good day, sir!
Good day!
*millennia
1999ers have a good chance to see 3 centuries and 2 millenia, dats even cooler :)
Are they aware Happy Days wasn’t a documentary?
I don't even understand this shit. People born in the 50s came of age in the 60s and the 70s. When they say they had happy days, they literally mean they watched it on TV.
WHAT! The Fonz wasn't real? That's crazy talk. You must be one of those Cosby people or Italian.
🤔
Fastest cars, yet can't do 35 in a 40 zone..
Or my personal blood boiler: doing 50 in a 60 zone. Drops to a 40 zone, they continue to do 50
But it evens out!!!
Needs more fax machine artefacts for that authentic boomer-meme look.
8 decades, now.
You're missing quite a lot of words that end in phobic at the end there.
Meanwhile in todays day have consumer cars that burn as much fuel as a semi, large 4x4 child pedestrian killers driven by soccer moms, Proud boys aren’t that old and they are pretty racist and active, School shootings, ‘anxious’ gun nuts shooting little girls on their lawns and clowns running countries into a 3rd world state during pandemics and giving bailouts to capitalist billionaires who are of a millennial age which are the entire cause of the housing crisis while there should be more than enough living space. There shouldn’t even be homeless right now.
Complain all you want about boomers but all the newer generations came in hot on the heels to make it far worse than any boomer did. They poured gallons of gasoline on that fire.
Fuck off with this ‘Z VS Boomer’ crap especially if you’re sitting here calling their music the best and listening to it.
Man I don't disagree, but this is lemmyshitpost.
Lemmy shitpost all too frequently devolves (or I guess evolves) into some serious discussion. Why can't shitpost just be shitpost?!
I don't know. I just come here to shit, post, and fuck with people who don't realise what community they've stumbled into after I've courteously made them aware of it.
It most definitely is a shitPost you got that right.
Yes. That's where we are. The shitposting community. It's where we shitpost.
Woosh
No, buddy, it's actually you who looks stupid
No, no it's very obvious. I'm just shitposting.
Pigeonholing / steoreotyping people according to an aspect over which they have zero control? Yeah that does sound vaguely unfriendly - just a bit!
Even better. Doing that to accuse people of pigeonholing/stereotyping people according to an aspect they have zero control.
Upvoting. Or, accusing people of accusing people of pigeonholing/stereotyping people according to an aspect they have zero control!
If it wasn't a shitpost it would've been illegal in many countries
Just wait'll the fascists take control in the next election, and it may become so here! (this statement works regardless of country or year or even party affiliation, unfortunately, but people are people)
Well I'm hoping everyone votes for the non-fascists. I certainly will.
Plot twist: both sides are fascists.
But not equally.
Not here they ain't. Parliamentary democracy with proportional representation, baby. It's the bees knees!
Wow, a representative democracy - I have heard those words before but I struggle to even so much as begin to understand what it might be like in such a place. For instance, I presume you have socialized healthcare? (It's a good bet b/c the only 2 first-world countries that do not are the USA and Saudia Arabia iirc:-P)
Switzerland and Japan both do not have socialized health care, off the top of my head. They have much more tightly regulated insurance and prices, but their healthcare isn't covered by taxes.
Here is an alternative Piped link(s):
people are people
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I'm open-source; check me out at GitHub.
But hey, at least they had the choice in becoming racist.
(not all of them are, I know)
(Wow a lot of downvoters here but fwiw I at least upvoted you.)
You bring up a FASCINATING tangent: is there a minimum level of agency required for someone to be "wrong"? Like if ChatGPT were to say something that represent racist trolling language, is it racist, or is it merely incorrectly trained? (and if it is a racist troll, then why is it not banned entirely from places like Reddit, Facebook, Tumblr, Threads, X, and the Fediverse? humans that do precisely that have that happen to them - why is it treated with "kid gloves"?)
Moreover, if someone steps up to become a leader, do we hold them to a higher standard? e.g. even though Trump can barely pass a test to determine if he is mentally incapable, do we hold his actions (such as assassination, invasion of another country like Russia is doing, etc.) against him? Do these standards vary according to the level of leadership, e.g. what if someone is not running to be a President, but they do vote to remove access to medical care for pregnant mothers - does the person bear any responsibility whatsoever for their actions in that case, if they "merely voted", the way that their cough cough evangelical christian cough pastors told them to?
Another source of bias is a personal relationship - is someone wrong, or conversely not wrong, even if they are your mother or father?
I think the Western world is under attack, and we have some difficult decisions ahead of us. People people are literally dying, and we are in this trolly staring at the lever. Whatever the attacker does is on them, but whatever we do in response is on us. imho. But if I say that, then isn't it likewise on them, those people who vote in the other way than I think is correct?
Thanks. The only reason I wrote it because I believe people CAN stop being racist. I grew in a small town (and family) where almost nobody was nazi level racist, but the kind that still grabs their bag when a gypsy/roma person gets on the bus. No N words, no swastikas but the kind of "passive" racism where you still have unrealistic prejudices and stereotypes.
It took me a few years, meeting more people, getting some education (and a few amazing girlfriends) to realise that I've been fed some unfiltered, biased information on ethnical minorities, people of colour and the LGBT community. But the same way as I could get more information and stop being racist, I think the majority of those people (if not everybody) can, as well.
Good points! Fwiw, though I've never met a roma person, I thought that one was more "cultural" than "ethnic", and also that it was a part of the culture (literally) to steal. That said, one should keep a solid eye on their belongings regardless of who else is around, so the "clutch" seems entirely unnecessary. Being aware is just good advice, though not making an obvious clutch is an "anti-racist" pattern that considers the feelings of the person that just stepped onto the bus, and I would strongly advocate for doing both actually.
One thing to add to your story though: you were willing to learn - but not everybody is. And if your racist parents, just to give an example, were to vote against women's healthcare, then their choices will lead to literal deaths, possibly even of your very girlfriend, like if a period went wrong one day but then doctors did not know what they were allowed vs. not allowed to do and she died as a result. At least, this is happening in America. This is not theoretical - this is ACTUALLY happening.
Russia may be feeding into the existing prejudices in the Western World - by making memes, making TV shows (like Tucker Carlson's, before he got booted out as a result of going too far), bribing politicians; and overall causing or at least inflaming or taking advantage of things like Brexit - but the people who make themselves into sheep and enact those wills... they bear some of the responsibility as well. As in, if they ever were fortunate to have your own experiences, then they would look back at how they voted decades ago and feel guilt. Assuming that they were still alive - which many of the anti-vaxxers are already not anymore. And they did not go down quietly: they took MANY others along with them too. They also prevented us from even so much as counting precisely how many there were, but from the excess death stats it was A LOT - in the USA we lost more people to covid than all the wars we've ever had combined (with the one exception of the immensely bloody civil war on our own soil, and even that number we've probably blown past by now?).