The Federalist Society is an organization of right-wing extremists conspiring against the United States as far as I'm concerned, and they have won.
What was that thing Jefferson said?
I know what he said, but I wish he added "...so shit or get off the pot" to the end of it.
Because it won't get any easier when the owners have armies of humanoid robots defending them in addition to the means of production/propaganda/state violence/governmental capture that they already have to keep us under this class occupation.
Probably something about how bad black people were? Except in bed of course.
Hurr durr people 200 years ago had slaves and were racist nothing else at that time matters. Also before the neo libs dog pile no shit racism and slavery is bad. We can learn from people of the past even though they did shitty things.
You are... oddly angry about this little joke.
He said that he didn't fight in any wars and instead fucked off and let the poors die.
He talked a good game but fuck that slaver.
A lot of things, he was a diplomat and politician. He loved to make everyone hear him talk
"Everything I don't like that costs us money is unconstitutional."
Wow, I've read the whole thing. If that goes through, they are going straight back to the 1880 labor's law, with child labor, no overtime and whatever the company wants to contract you.
The consequences will be massive.
Sadly, it took blood and death to get the worker’s rights we do have, and only apathetic voters to lose them.
Modern Apathy failed to repair the damage, but the ENTHUSIASTIC giveaway of the country to the rich in both capital and power, the "Reagan revolution," is most directly responsible for the later Citizens United, Trump, and our imminent collapse.
Apathy didn't destroy this country for the people, Enthusiastic greed worship BY the people did. Greed is a personal failing, character deficit, and is every bit as dangerous and destructive to society as hatred. The Gordon Geckos and Mr. Potters of the nation are supposed to be hated, booed, and shunned by decent people for their antisocial activities, not worshipped as the celebrities and...🤮... Role models they are treated like today.
The owners have spent decades propagandizing us to forget what a societal poison greed is as they took over.
Oh I'm sorry it's not greed anymore. I meant greedrational self-interest. Shout out to George Orwell.
Perfectly posited
Mommy, the weak men created the hard times once again 😭
It's incredible.
Let's see how those check and balance ⚖️ do now.
I'm honestly shocked I hadn't heard about this until now, seems like a big deal
This is the boiled frog effect.
If the SCOTUS creates enough national crises, and that's what they've been actively doing, rolling back the rights and protections of individuals while further empowering capital as citizens discover there is just no recourse, then the crises they continue to create, as dire as they are, just feel like another tuesday.
Moreover, it seems to be happening faster and faster. This is a democratic emergency. We are dangerously close to a critical point where our votes become meaningless and we simply have an authoritarian regime in a trenchcoat.
Vote because your life depends on it, because if you don't, you might not get another chance.
I vote for the lesser evil(D) like clockwork so I can sleep at night, but it is water pumps on the Titanic, I don't do it with hope, it only slows the path we're on slightly, because both our fascist and neoliberal parties worship the same groups of "donors" who are the root cause of our decline. Our government officials are the owner's well bribed middle managers. That's what happens when political bribery is legal and corporations have more rights than people. Neither Biden nor Trump nor all but maybe a half dozen people in Congress are less than hyper-capitalists. Most got into politics to be bribed because that's American politics.
Without revolution, there will be no hope for a better future until collapse. Fortunately for future generations long term, climate change is likely going to force the second one, because we're too chickenshit and social opiate addicted for the first one. Better painful collapse and rebuild than multigenerational subservience under the Bezos/Zuck/Musk dynasty.
I choose to believe that you are wrong, if only because I can't function without hope for a better future.
I don't blame you. My core value has always been truth over comfort, but I fully admit, that value only leads to pain.
It was surely all over the Washington Post, i mean the amazon guy owns it, right?
Why wouldn’t it be, yknow, bang, right on the ol front page there?
eh, I don't really buy that. I think WaPo has maintained editorial independence pretty well. Yes, you can find memes that show WaPo pro-Amazon opinion columns, but if you actually look on your own and not just trust the memes, you can find similar opposing views in their editorials that criticize Bezos
Can I ask, what evidence would you need to see to conclude there is a bias at WaPo?
If AMZN wanted to buy a propaganda operation, they wouldn't kill every anti-Amazon story. That would ruin WaPo's credibility and thus waste their investment. Instead they would kill only the handful of most damaging stories, while also frequently posting tepid criticism of AMZN, which would give us the "evenly split" result you use as evidence.
I would need to see skew not present in other mainstream publications. WaPo and NyTimes coverage, for example, or even NPR, none of it significantly varies.
Look up criticism of all the newsrooms I mentioned and there’s plenty from internal or ex-reporters. “Bezos pressures us” is not one from WaPo journalists. So, I would need to see a shred of evidence, basically. Word of mouth, reporting discrepancies… something besides memes
I think that’s a pretty reasonable ask.
What makes sense to me is a sentiment classifier that could measure how negative or positive a given story is, and look for the centroids of the positive and negative clusters.
I thought that's what their goal has been, to get back to that time before workers had any protection
Why else do you think Bezos and Musk are touching themselves over this?
I'll see you in the seitch
Like, to escape the desert winds and worms...?
That is indeed the reference.
I don't get the connection though.
I think they are saying that going far away may be required because it’s all going to blow up.
States have labor laws. It would differ by state.
Until the fascists take the fed and enforce their will on the states, which was their plan all along.
Trader Joe's is one of those other companies that is party to this. Trader Joe's doesn't believe in the rights of its workers either. I have stopped shopping at Trader Joe's and I encourage others to do the same.
My partner and I stopped shopping there for this reason too. The problem is, all companies are this evil. It's just a question of when they'll let it show
I'm anti-capitalist, but this makes it sound like all companies are equally evil, and differ only in their masks.
They're all exploitative to some degree, but the local acorporation running the affordable grocery store, or the incorporated truck driver - these companies can rise and fall, peopled by folks not looking to expand at all. They're just using the company template to support their lifeway.
This isn't to justify corporate profits, but to point out there are degrees, and your choices matter.
I would prefer to say "all publicly traded corporations are effectively amoral, and capable of any imaginable evil, if it is in their interests. It's just a question of when their interests will align with an evil action."
Private ownership of capital is antisocial and antidemocratic. Owner-operated private businesses, the classic "Mom and Pop" store, are still antidemocratic, but much more distinctive in character, and may be more pro-social. Worker-owned cooperatives are significantly better altogether.
They all would but only some did. Punish those ones
The company that has people dying unattended and alone in their warehouses, despite 24/7 worker surveillance to ensure compliance with draconic worker rules even robots would protest against, doesn't believe in labour rights?
Goodness! I don't know what colour shocked is, but I'm positively radiant!
The people will be told by their leaders that this is the only way to defend the USA from the liberal left, and the Fox Viewers will cheer and support it.
Then when labor goes to shit, FOX will say it's also the lefts fault....
Blue Origin also sued NASA a few years ago for not being awarded some contract.
Guess this is the new fad for bored billionaires.
Is it time to coin 'Late Stage America' or should we go straight to ' The Decline and Fall of the Roman American Empire'
It would help your case more if you called it the fall of the Republic, but that would involve admitting the Empire stage will be around for a lot longer
Yeah, but it’s also more accurate to how we’re crumbling. The republic died to social divisions and demagogues eventually done in by a populist who sought nothing but his own power and was too comfortable breaking the rules to advance himself.
Now I will acknowledge the difference here, Caesar seemed to actually improve the lives of the Roman proletarii whereas Trump doesn’t. Because our collapse is in many ways closer to the fall of the Weimar Republic when it comes to the details.
Though we also must acknowledge that the Roman republic was also an empire. Republics don’t like acknowledging when we’re empires.
In no way is it 'my case', but you're not wrong, perhaps unfortunately, simply an allegory to a famous book.
And yet all you Americans will do is complain on social media about it. Which is exactly why conservatives are comfortable pulling this shit.
the blame does not squarely lie in complacency
Not for long!
The problem is the SCOTUS has a non zero chance of being in favor of this because they are fedsoc clowns who shit over the constitution they represent
The question is: will they allow adding cocaine into coca-cola once again or they expect that surplus productivity will come from nowhere?
Take their companies and make them public agencies. Wanna bitch about unconstitutional, now we’ll give you a reason to complain
"Companies with massive amounts of labor-related complaints and worker issues say institutions designed to protect the overworked laboring class is unconstitutional"
Yes, I am sure they can be unbiased here.
They are just asking for another Haymarket
"hurr durr the us is a democracy"
I'm going to start grinding my hammer and sickle. They might come in handy one of these days.
Is trademark law constitutional?
Considering it's commerce clause, probably not. Other IP is constitutionally created, though, and that should also be illegal.
There should be still a legal limitation of presenting your product as something it isn't. So maybe trademark law is actually the one thing that should remain of IP laws.
But patents and owning characters in fiction and copyright kill any beginning they touch with the wrong end. There's so much ingenuity and development out of existence, usually out of discussion and often even out of imagination just because of these laws.
I mean, I think we can solve it in other ways - like verified supply chains and other voluntary solutions. This is the same solution I'd give for the other forms of IP. Sort of like using only union labor, by contract, for certain things. You provide mechanisms to verify creator effort without fucking over someone selling random shit on a street corner.
"Everything I don't like is unconstitutional."
-This SCOTUS, unironically unfortunately
The Federalist Society is an organization of right-wing extremists conspiring against the United States as far as I'm concerned, and they have won.
What was that thing Jefferson said?
I know what he said, but I wish he added "...so shit or get off the pot" to the end of it.
Because it won't get any easier when the owners have armies of humanoid robots defending them in addition to the means of production/propaganda/state violence/governmental capture that they already have to keep us under this class occupation.
Probably something about how bad black people were? Except in bed of course.
Hurr durr people 200 years ago had slaves and were racist nothing else at that time matters. Also before the neo libs dog pile no shit racism and slavery is bad. We can learn from people of the past even though they did shitty things.
You are... oddly angry about this little joke.
He said that he didn't fight in any wars and instead fucked off and let the poors die.
He talked a good game but fuck that slaver.
A lot of things, he was a diplomat and politician. He loved to make everyone hear him talk
"Everything
I don't likethat costs us money is unconstitutional."Wow, I've read the whole thing. If that goes through, they are going straight back to the 1880 labor's law, with child labor, no overtime and whatever the company wants to contract you. The consequences will be massive.
Sadly, it took blood and death to get the worker’s rights we do have, and only apathetic voters to lose them.
Modern Apathy failed to repair the damage, but the ENTHUSIASTIC giveaway of the country to the rich in both capital and power, the "Reagan revolution," is most directly responsible for the later Citizens United, Trump, and our imminent collapse.
Apathy didn't destroy this country for the people, Enthusiastic greed worship BY the people did. Greed is a personal failing, character deficit, and is every bit as dangerous and destructive to society as hatred. The Gordon Geckos and Mr. Potters of the nation are supposed to be hated, booed, and shunned by decent people for their antisocial activities, not worshipped as the celebrities and...🤮... Role models they are treated like today.
The owners have spent decades propagandizing us to forget what a societal poison greed is as they took over.
Oh I'm sorry it's not greed anymore. I meant
greedrational self-interest. Shout out to George Orwell.Perfectly posited
Mommy, the weak men created the hard times once again 😭
It's incredible. Let's see how those check and balance ⚖️ do now.
I'm honestly shocked I hadn't heard about this until now, seems like a big deal
This is the boiled frog effect.
If the SCOTUS creates enough national crises, and that's what they've been actively doing, rolling back the rights and protections of individuals while further empowering capital as citizens discover there is just no recourse, then the crises they continue to create, as dire as they are, just feel like another tuesday.
Moreover, it seems to be happening faster and faster. This is a democratic emergency. We are dangerously close to a critical point where our votes become meaningless and we simply have an authoritarian regime in a trenchcoat.
Vote because your life depends on it, because if you don't, you might not get another chance.
I vote for the lesser evil(D) like clockwork so I can sleep at night, but it is water pumps on the Titanic, I don't do it with hope, it only slows the path we're on slightly, because both our fascist and neoliberal parties worship the same groups of "donors" who are the root cause of our decline. Our government officials are the owner's well bribed middle managers. That's what happens when political bribery is legal and corporations have more rights than people. Neither Biden nor Trump nor all but maybe a half dozen people in Congress are less than hyper-capitalists. Most got into politics to be bribed because that's American politics.
Without revolution, there will be no hope for a better future until collapse. Fortunately for future generations long term, climate change is likely going to force the second one, because we're too chickenshit and social opiate addicted for the first one. Better painful collapse and rebuild than multigenerational subservience under the Bezos/Zuck/Musk dynasty.
I choose to believe that you are wrong, if only because I can't function without hope for a better future.
I don't blame you. My core value has always been truth over comfort, but I fully admit, that value only leads to pain.
It was surely all over the Washington Post, i mean the amazon guy owns it, right?
Why wouldn’t it be, yknow, bang, right on the ol front page there?
eh, I don't really buy that. I think WaPo has maintained editorial independence pretty well. Yes, you can find memes that show WaPo pro-Amazon opinion columns, but if you actually look on your own and not just trust the memes, you can find similar opposing views in their editorials that criticize Bezos
edit: if you don't believe me, the coverage is evenly split: https://www.washingtonpost.com/search/?query=amazon
Can I ask, what evidence would you need to see to conclude there is a bias at WaPo?
If AMZN wanted to buy a propaganda operation, they wouldn't kill every anti-Amazon story. That would ruin WaPo's credibility and thus waste their investment. Instead they would kill only the handful of most damaging stories, while also frequently posting tepid criticism of AMZN, which would give us the "evenly split" result you use as evidence.
I would need to see skew not present in other mainstream publications. WaPo and NyTimes coverage, for example, or even NPR, none of it significantly varies.
Look up criticism of all the newsrooms I mentioned and there’s plenty from internal or ex-reporters. “Bezos pressures us” is not one from WaPo journalists. So, I would need to see a shred of evidence, basically. Word of mouth, reporting discrepancies… something besides memes
I think that’s a pretty reasonable ask.
What makes sense to me is a sentiment classifier that could measure how negative or positive a given story is, and look for the centroids of the positive and negative clusters.
I thought that's what their goal has been, to get back to that time before workers had any protection
Why else do you think Bezos and Musk are touching themselves over this?
I'll see you in the seitch
Like, to escape the desert winds and worms...?
That is indeed the reference.
I don't get the connection though.
I think they are saying that going far away may be required because it’s all going to blow up.
States have labor laws. It would differ by state.
Until the fascists take the fed and enforce their will on the states, which was their plan all along.
Trader Joe's is one of those other companies that is party to this. Trader Joe's doesn't believe in the rights of its workers either. I have stopped shopping at Trader Joe's and I encourage others to do the same.
My partner and I stopped shopping there for this reason too. The problem is, all companies are this evil. It's just a question of when they'll let it show
I'm anti-capitalist, but this makes it sound like all companies are equally evil, and differ only in their masks.
They're all exploitative to some degree, but the local acorporation running the affordable grocery store, or the incorporated truck driver - these companies can rise and fall, peopled by folks not looking to expand at all. They're just using the company template to support their lifeway.
This isn't to justify corporate profits, but to point out there are degrees, and your choices matter.
I would prefer to say "all publicly traded corporations are effectively amoral, and capable of any imaginable evil, if it is in their interests. It's just a question of when their interests will align with an evil action."
Private ownership of capital is antisocial and antidemocratic. Owner-operated private businesses, the classic "Mom and Pop" store, are still antidemocratic, but much more distinctive in character, and may be more pro-social. Worker-owned cooperatives are significantly better altogether.
They all would but only some did. Punish those ones
Source?
https://www.reuters.com/technology/amazon-joins-companies-arguing-us-labor-board-is-unconstitutional-2024-02-16/
https://news.bloomberglaw.com/daily-labor-report/trader-joes-follows-spacex-in-arguing-nlrb-is-unconstitutional
https://fortune.com/2024/01/27/elon-musk-spacex-right-nlrb-unconstitutional-says-trader-joes/
Thanks, I’ll check them out
The company that has people dying unattended and alone in their warehouses, despite 24/7 worker surveillance to ensure compliance with draconic worker rules even robots would protest against, doesn't believe in labour rights?
Goodness! I don't know what colour shocked is, but I'm positively radiant!
The people will be told by their leaders that this is the only way to defend the USA from the liberal left, and the Fox Viewers will cheer and support it.
Then when labor goes to shit, FOX will say it's also the lefts fault....
Blue Origin also sued NASA a few years ago for not being awarded some contract.
Guess this is the new fad for bored billionaires.
Is it time to coin 'Late Stage America' or should we go straight to ' The Decline and Fall of the
RomanAmerican Empire'It would help your case more if you called it the fall of the Republic, but that would involve admitting the Empire stage will be around for a lot longer
Yeah, but it’s also more accurate to how we’re crumbling. The republic died to social divisions and demagogues eventually done in by a populist who sought nothing but his own power and was too comfortable breaking the rules to advance himself.
Now I will acknowledge the difference here, Caesar seemed to actually improve the lives of the Roman proletarii whereas Trump doesn’t. Because our collapse is in many ways closer to the fall of the Weimar Republic when it comes to the details.
Though we also must acknowledge that the Roman republic was also an empire. Republics don’t like acknowledging when we’re empires.
In no way is it 'my case', but you're not wrong, perhaps unfortunately, simply an allegory to a famous book.
That's a great movie from Quebec btw.
The Decline of the American Empire for those playing at home... Looks fun.
And yet all you Americans will do is complain on social media about it. Which is exactly why conservatives are comfortable pulling this shit.
the blame does not squarely lie in complacency
Not for long!
The problem is the SCOTUS has a non zero chance of being in favor of this because they are fedsoc clowns who shit over the constitution they represent
The question is: will they allow adding cocaine into coca-cola once again or they expect that surplus productivity will come from nowhere?
Take their companies and make them public agencies. Wanna bitch about unconstitutional, now we’ll give you a reason to complain
"Companies with massive amounts of labor-related complaints and worker issues say institutions designed to protect the overworked laboring class is unconstitutional"
Yes, I am sure they can be unbiased here.
They are just asking for another Haymarket
"hurr durr the us is a democracy"
I'm going to start grinding my hammer and sickle. They might come in handy one of these days.
Is trademark law constitutional?
Considering it's commerce clause, probably not. Other IP is constitutionally created, though, and that should also be illegal.
There should be still a legal limitation of presenting your product as something it isn't. So maybe trademark law is actually the one thing that should remain of IP laws.
But patents and owning characters in fiction and copyright kill any beginning they touch with the wrong end. There's so much ingenuity and development out of existence, usually out of discussion and often even out of imagination just because of these laws.
I mean, I think we can solve it in other ways - like verified supply chains and other voluntary solutions. This is the same solution I'd give for the other forms of IP. Sort of like using only union labor, by contract, for certain things. You provide mechanisms to verify creator effort without fucking over someone selling random shit on a street corner.