Jill Stein paid $100,000 to a Republican consulting firm led by a suspected January 6 rioter
salon.com
The Green Party leader has hired a GOP consulting firm and worked with Trump-affiliated lawyers.
The Green Party leader has hired a GOP consulting firm and worked with Trump-affiliated lawyers.
I'm sure the usual suspects will be along shortly to explain how this isn't what it absolutely, positively is.
Our biggest offender would, but they're currently serving a 3-day ban for Sealioning (public mod logs are awesome).
TIL there's a public mod log
Yep! And I would suggest everyone look at.
Don't worry, he'll return 2 Lemmy soon.
Hey there! You're right.
Is there a link for this?
Hi! :)
So you’re admitting to sea lioning? Bold move
Nope. But it's public that I had a 3 day ban for it. Modlogs are public, friend.
Got it. That certainly makes everthing about you make a lot more sense. And I’m not your friend.
Friend, they have said it before because it's true. They are just here to change how Americans vote in a way that leads to fascism, on purpose. If you believe that useless rules can be used to stop that, take it up with the mods. Thank youuuu!
So you don’t think rules can stop a single fascist from posting propaganda? They’ve been banned shit tons of times for it. Eventually they’ll be banned entirely.
No one takes them seriously here anyway.
I was being facetious because this motherfucker gets away with so much. This is a parody account.
[sea lion noises]
"Anything to beat the 'duopoly' of political parties, even if the party is tainted by neo-fascist dark money!"
Absolutely wild mental gymnastics lol
They really want a viable third party that peddles red fascism, BSW style.
Which party isnt tainted by neo-facist dark money?
You can spare Lemmy the whataboutisms with this one. Everyone is taking a little money from everyone else, but:
Neo-fascists absolutely prefer giving to the Republican Party above all other major parties and vice versa. It's an open-and-shut case. Hardliners in the party routinely echo anything and everything that gets them brownie points from dictators and the country's most degenerate billionaires.
The Democratic Party is not perfect (Israel being the elephant in the room, but make no mistake, Bibi 100% wants Trump back in office). But if anyone is pushing back against the return of fascism the most it's the Dems. And you can see that in hostilities from Republicans and authoritarian governments alike.
The Green Party's main candidate accepted gifts from the Russian Federation through their news network RT, which is basically a propaganda machine for the government which owns them. Stein's ads openly said in 2016 that the Greens wanted Hillary to lose, fearmongering nuclear war with Russia. And this year it's the same old shit with her: just make the Dems lose.
(Side note, Sputnik hired PSL's Eugene Puryear as a long-time host. Also, PSL also has absolutely insane foreign positions. Like I'll be the first to say the West is absolutely an imperfect cultural entity, but you don't gotta just hand it to Putin or Kim Jong Un because they also have a problem with the hegemony.)
You should maybe learn a bit more about "whataboutism" because you seem to not be aware of when to apply it.
What I am saying is, if you dislike the green party because Russian money has made it into their coffers, but you won't apply the same standard to democrats, then you are a hypocritical, and your message fails in my opinion.
If you think the democrats have the strongest stance against facism, you don't understand the meaning of the word facism.
The democrats haven't moved this country away from facism meaningfully in any way. They move the country towards profit, thats it. The republicans and democrats disagree on how to profit off the worlds misery and to what extent, but both are fascists.
The irony that americans can't see how close republicans and democrats are in their intolerance and abuse of others.
Democrats: "We want to abuse non-white folk in other countries for profit!"
Republicans: "we want to abuse our own people to make profit!"
If you really think anyone who's critical of the democrats is a shill or some other bullshit, then I wish you the best but thats a childish perspective.
Probably at the stage where it turns into ‘it doesn’t matter since she won’t win anyway, this is just a protest vote to show support for third party.’
Third party that are just Russians. What a pathetic way to protest.
Nope.
You called it!
The same ones that jillsplain to everyone how her sitting there with Putin is no big deal.
You mean Shillsplain?
Even better.
Y'all literally sound as dumb as the Republicans sometimes. Its embarrassing to be associated with the democrat party these last few months I'll say.
Hm.
I like her.
Right?! Oh wait...
With all this stuff about Jill coming out, it’s no wonder all the Lemmy.ml and Hexbears are so supportive of her. She’s a Russian asset!
What is the Russian word for Wumao?
It could just be she made a career out of unsucessfully running for president and doesn't care where the money came from.
That's supposedly how the whole Trump mess started.
You mean him just wanting to make money by running for president never actually expecting to run and regretting every minute of it while trying to be so vile he could never get elected again only to realize that’s what his base wants?
Are you confusing the Green candidate, Jill Stein with Claudia De la Cruz, the PSL candidate?
She does deserve praise for taking the correct stance regarding Gaza, but the general consensus of the Greens as a whole is that they're useless because unlike PSL, they don't organize between elections.
She doesn’t give a shit about Gaza.
Idk, its not like she's ambivalent. She seems to actually support the genocide.
What has she said that makes you believe that?
She's against sending weapons to Israel and she's participated in the protests.
So much hard work.
She's more anti Israel than quite literally every single member of the dem party.
She's backing Trump. Trump wants Israel to finish the job.
No, she's not. I'm not sure when you people became indistinguishable from magats but man I hope some of you at least start to pretend to be normal like you guys almost did during Obama's first run.
Yes, she is.
https://front.moveon.org/third-party-roundup-jill-stein-paid-100k-to-maga-operative-rfk-jr-continues-chaos-operation/
https://www.newsweek.com/jill-stein-pardon-january-6-rioters-1963910
https://democrats.org/news/fact-check-jill-steins-spoiler-campaign-is-propped-up-by-republicans/
Two of those aren't news outlets, pardoning anyone that damages federal property is objectively a good thing.
Talk is cheap.
What do you expect her to do? Try to tackle Netanyahu into the Irish Embassy so he can be arrested and set to the Hague?
She could just have the police grab him. And, yes, hold him in jail until he gets a date for transfer to the Hague.
Jill Stein does not control the police.
I thought we were talking about Harris sorry
Well, does she want votes or campaign money for doing nothing?
She wants to stop the genocide in Gaza, making both the candidates look bad by openly opposing it pressures them to make their policy less dogshit. If winning was more important to democrats than genocide, they'd drop the genocide. Sadly, it seems they'd rather lose the election than stop the genocide.
No one is losing because of Gaza. Very few of the American voters actually care about that topic.
How many politically-active people who would be campaigning for the dems right now got the shit beaten out of them by the cops instead?
Genocide matters to the politically active people who aren't just reliable voters, but who even get other people to vote.
Hell the whole reason Biden had to drop out was that he was massively unpopular, the genocide contributed to this, and every dogshit position of Biden (or Trump in the case of immigration) that Kamala has openly endorsed has hurt her popularity.
I know plenty of people who will be voting for Kamala who got their ass kicked during the BLM protests. So, I dunno what you’re on about. The only people still fooled by the Green Party are ML.
Goodbye Wumaoski
The BLM protests were under Trump. The fact that they got their ass kicked increased the likelihood they voted (and organized) against the government who did it. I was talking about Palestine protests.
Someone who cares enough about genocide that they went out to protest, is very likely to be someone who would have been at least phone banking for Harris if her election was necessary to stop Trump from resuming the genocide. But no, unlimited genocide is more important than winning for the dems.
Green isn't ML, marxists have their own parties, PSL, CPUSA, and (kinda) DSA.
lmao you really can't imagine someone would be against genocide without being manipulated by evil foreigners
But she's cool with genocide in Ukraine.
What actions has Russia done/is doing that are expected to destroy the Ukrainian people?
Of course they organize between elections. Just because the news doesn't cover it doesn't mean it isn't happening. They have parties in local office doing work year round
Insurrectionist*
...I would argue that even insurrectionist is being far, far too lenient. They should be called terrorists. But, yeah, calling them "rioters".....barf.
This is now the bar for "terrorism"?
Um, what? I'm commenting on the corporate media's insistence on calling the insurrectionists "rioters". I think even the term insurrectionist is a bit of a euphemism.
Oh, that. I mean, that was a riot in a very classic sense. To call it an insurrection feels romantic, relative to what amounted to a massive adult baby temper tantrum that left a handful of people dead. Insurrections tend to have stronger leadership and more strategy.
That is a shockingly
harshsick burn. Holy shit.Edit: still love it. Can't stop thinking about how well this casually and truthfully states it.
I'm an insurrectionary anarchist. please don't associate them with me.
You have my upvote!
Same, when I saw Jan 6 my first thought was "damn imagine if we anarchists could organize like that and just storm the government". Hopefully one day
I was shouting "wrong side" at my tv screen. for some reason I thought there would be a black bloc out that day.
I laughed while muttering, “they’re doing the right thing for the wrong reasons.”
Nothing about this story or Jill is important except for one thing. She is aligned with Putin in denying Ukraine weapons to defend itself. She may not be purposefully supporting Putin but she is supporting his position and making his position stronger ignoring Putin's past patterns of behavior.
I wonder where she got the money from?
Uncle Putin?
Her trust fund. (And other rich idiots who think giving her money cleans them of sins of capitalism)
She's just a rich bored kid who wants the attention like pretty much all politicians these days other than the prostitutes the Republicans bring in to slow proceedings in a way they expect to be able to control by being the source of their money.
Jill was always a double agent
@UniversalMonk@lemmy.world, your thoughts?
I think he’s still under his temporary ban ;)
Only 21 hours to go before we get graced with their wonderful presence again!
Oh, phew. I was worried my clown signal was broken. I'll try again.
Oh boy, I can't wait to see more sealioning, fake positivity and condescension from them!
Oh, wait. I have them blocked. Oh well!
You can't see this, but my positivity is not fake. I'm just happy. Thank you!
Wait, am I famous? You guys were actually talking about me while I was gone?! Really! Oh wow, I feel sorta honored. Thank you!
*“infamous”
Actually I like that word better! Imma update my profile with that!
Wait! Dammit, I can't. If I do, then it'll just be a barrage of "You have the worst case of Main Character Syndrome ever!!" comments. So I'll just note this mentally. But thank you!
Awww…temporary? Why?
Honestly, I think the mods should be promoted to sainthood for the level of patience they've shown with Monk (who as of late runs what seems to be a community related to MGTOW but without the toxicity called MRTOW) which is so beyond what I feel I'm capable of. I hope Monk appreciates the level of leeway they've been given here.
I’m honestly not sure if sainthood is the way I’d put it. It feels negligent to me. But in fairness I’d love to hear the mods perspective on what they consider the threshold for trolling. It almost feels like it’s a secondary offense here. Like they won’t ban you for trolling, it’s got to be trolling aaaand [pejoratives|hate speech|etc].
Is this MRTOW/MGTOW just mask-off incel shit? I think it would fine to ban that level of toxicity permanently.
Except that MRTOW expressly doesn't allow the toxicity. I'm not an incel. I have a gf and kids.
Now if you wanna make an argument that I'm an idiot or something, ok, cool. But MRTOW is just celebrating men not actually getting married because the justice system is still skewed in a lot of ways when it comes to division of assets.
It's not anti-women. It's anti-marriage. I love women, just not marriage. MRTOW is not related to the current MGTOW movement--which IS incels now.
Thank you!
Well at least it's been proven that I don't get preferential treatment, so now people can stop saying that!
The fact you weren't perma-banned for the amount you spam this community with propaganda is unambiguous proof that you're treated with kid gloves.
Dude, I just came off of a 3-day ban for "sealioning." And the mods have mentioned more than once that they think I have idiotic opinions.
You think that stuff is kid gloves?! Say wat, mate?! lol
I love how the one downvote on this comment only appeared after a certain someone’s ban had expired 🤣
I thought that username felt familiar, so I clicked through to their profile. Yup, already blocked lol.
lmao same
I like her. I'm not voting for her, but I still like her. Thanks for asking!
The Green Party in the USA is f'n weird.
The Green Party has no incentive to act professionally because voters cannot punish them electorally for it.
They also, unlike their voters, understand there is no possibility of electoral success. So there is no positive incentive for it either.
Well said.
From another article:
SCOTUS ruled with the Nevada Supreme Court and chose to keep the Green Party off the ballot. Their only real mistake here was really just some legal red tape filled out incorrectly. It doesn't really matter if Jill Stein is a terrible candidate or not, the two party system will clearly go to the ends of the earth to kill 3rd parties from every becoming a thing lol. I guess it matters more for democrats since green party would be taking out more of their votes than republicans.
Wow.
Wow, Dems actually exercised power in a legal manner to improve their chances. That is wild. Hope they don't break their backs slapping themselves.
They will always do it so long as it weakens the left. The DNC exists to badger any left of center movement toward their center right position, and even put DNC funds to extremist right winger campaigns boosting Christian nationalist platforms... learning nothing from clintons pied piper failures only pushing us all closer to a fascist hellscape just to say guess we vote blue since we have nowhere else to go. Fuck Jill Stein and all but this is the exact shit that leaves me voting for literally any socialist instead.
And the left exists to siphon votes towards the right. See? Unsubstantiated claims work both ways.
Its funny because Jill Stein being a shill is an unsubstantiated claim too.
Because everyone uses their opposition’s lawyers when there’s thousands of other choices. Additionally, everyone refuses to call a war criminal a war criminal when asked- several times.
It’s only unsubstantiated to people who refuse to accept it.
She put out an official statement saying Putin is a war criminal. Thats like a reverse uno substantiated claim!
She was grilled over and over again, and side-stepped the question every time. Putting out a statement afterwards is simply her doing damage control. Anyone with any common sense that’s paying attention would have had no problem answering the question when asked.
There is no defense for her shilling.
NONE.
"Either you're a war criminal or you're not. Is Vladimir Putin a war criminal?" he asked again.
"In so many words, yes he is," Stein said. "If you want to pull him back, if you are a world leader, you don't begin your conversation by calling someone a war criminal."
Which was then followed by a written statement calling him a war criminal.
I think she made a fair point about the difference between russia and israel. One is sponsored by the US and one is not. We have responsibility towards who we sponsor. There isnt much to gain by calling Putin a war criminal if you intend to take an office where you'd then need to negotiate with him diplomatically.
Do you really expect the anti-war party to throw out escalating rhetoric?
She’s a Shill, bud. And not only that, but- she’s over. Finished. The cat is out of the bag and thankfully, she will never see herself in a position of authority in America. And because of this. No one has to take any of you seriously anymore.
So please, just stop defending her to me. It’s pointless.
Its not pointless if I'm enjoying thr conversation! I'll give you a break though.
I mean I agree with everything you said about democrats, but I don't view voting as some endorsement of a system or party. I vote for the conditions I want to organize under.
Fair enough. Thats why I usually downballot blue too. At best it prevents local rightwingers from gaining momentum and at worst it gives the DNC enough rope to hang themselves with.
I only see the system changing in two scenarios short of civil war or coup. Either the dnc will lose and all the less privileged libs who wont collaborate with the fash join the fight, creating an actual resistance OR the dems will sweep a super majority and continue to enact right wing policies for the entire term with no excuses, disenfranchising young voters and creating a vacuum for a third party.
See also: the Dems suing to kick Claudia De La Crúz off the ballot in Georgia and PA. "Democrats" in name-only.
Exactly! Good point!
Sort of upsetting all your up votes are from people that are happy Nevada "beat" Jill Stein, which is not really the point I think you are making.
I agree that its shameful behavior from the democrats. I wish they would consider why they've lost 2 million people to the Green party rather than try to ban them.
Lol.
The Green Party's membership encompasses the fourth-highest percentage of registered voters in the United States, with a total membership of 234,120
I was referencing the amount of votes they got in recent elections, although in 2016 it was 1.5 million not 2, so my bad there.
The DNC seems overly happy to use bureaucracy as a cludgel to reduce options "legally" to themselves.
While I get the fear beating down your competition in an underhanded manner doesn't inspire a whole lot of good will and also seems extremely unlikely to get the people you have just disenfranchised to vote on your side.
They resist any movement or adoption of new policy in favor of it staying as stagnant as possible. It's a deeply confusing and long term failing idea. Just look at how Kamala is now polling worse with each passing week. She felt like change and initial momentum of "joy" was able to carry her a little but it's not a permanent state and the initial dopamine is running out.
I honestly feel it. They took the high road for like a month. Back to slinging shit though they go. What a joke. How is anyone supposed to trust them?
They had the momentum of a new candidate and it was full of excitement for new policy then she was seemingly told to not change things still.
I mean literally pro gun and loose company first economic policies are early 2000 Republican policy. So now it's instead just focus on how shitty the orange bastard is, which is a low bar to easily walk over.
It really does feel disingenuous to blame people uninspired by that and to claim it's a fixing party. I get the other option but people need to not act like angels when stagnant bullies that refuse to budge or listen anymore.
I have more respect for people who don't vote then I do for people who vote for her.
And I do NOT respect people who don't vote at all.
It's no wonder why the .ml users love her so much.
The friend of their friend is their friend.
That is a tough call for sure. I'd have to see their down ballot votes before I decide. If they took time out of their day to be a full clown, yeah, at least the person sitting it out didn't waste any paper while doing nothing.
I wish she'd go away tbh.
Well, she didn’t pay it.
The US Green Party, and all other minor parties, have no incentive to act professionally or nominate serious candidates because voters can't really punish it electorally for nominating shit candidates or other screw-ups by the party.
Green Party electoral results:
Libertarian Party electoral results:
Working Families Party electoral results:
Constitution Party electoral results:
The WFP uses electoral fusion to join with Democrats. Don't lump them in with Constitution (far right), LP (far right), or Green (pure spoiler, doesn't work with Democrats, never makes efforts to keep the far right out).
Under the WFP ticket, they have members elected to the Philadelphia City Council. There are members of the WFP currently up for election through fusion, running under the Democratic ticket. Lets take a look here at a few things...
In 2015, NY WFP ran 111 candidates, and won 71 local offices.. Ed Gomes became a member of the CT Senate.
In 2017, Josh Hall won in CT House of Reps.
They are new to many areas. CA in 2022 for example. Sue Altman is the WFP leader in NJ, and is currently running under the Democrat ticket.
This is the really important bit.
Like, we need third parties, but running them in federal elections is at best a dog-and-pony act, and at worst, a useful agent for the least-aligned party via the spoiler effect.
Even if a third party candidate miraculously won the presidency, they would be cockblocked their entire term.
The way they are now is an insult to democracy.
If they really wanted to do be effective, they'd best be working together where goals align. And where goals should align for all of them, voting reform and moving off FPTP, would be a damn good place to start.
But they don't want to be effective. They just want to pop up every 4 years, get some money, con a few suckers into thinking that voting for them will give them a clean conscience, then disappear back into their hole. Giant fucking scam, all of them.
This is what the WFP does. They have a number of members running as Democrats, or put their endorsement to democrats, where needed (or where they don't have ballot access and need to run as Democrat).
They don't belong in NateNate60's list.
like Trump, she is VERY old
Gosh, how weird.
She's weird.
Since when do we care what she does with Russia’s money?
Seriously though… the propagandists are swinging for the fences here today! Sheesh! The comments are something else!
embarrassing for the green party
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What moves this beyond Third party pays consulting firm for political campaign work that had previously done work for one of the duopoly parties.... Like who else is there to hire for this kind of thing?
There are plenty of people on both sides that didn't attempt to overthrow the government.
Sure but how many consulting firms for political campaigns are there?
I'm like if I pay my plumber and then it turns out he was a January 6ther. Does that really say anything about me?
You asked what was different, I answered your question.
There are enough that she could find one that wasn't run by an insurrectionist if she cared. No I've is going to look into who fixed your sink because no one cares. Half of politics is optics and making sure the people working for you aren't going to make you look bad.
Not really 🤷♂️
You act like there is a American presidential campaign consulting company that'll do business with a third party on every street corner lol. How do you know there are "enough" other options lol. I think you just want this to fit your narrative
Did nobody here read the article?
Just because you're somewhere people are doing bad things doesn't mean you're in support of it, especially if you're filming them doing bad things..
The real story here is that she had to pay any law firm at all to fight against the Democratic party to get on the ballot, because the Democratic party is suing to undermine democracy.
Riiiight. She was totally unaware of it. Because Russian shills are notorious for being honest about their deceit.
You still didn't read it, did you?
Oh I read it. I think she’s full of shit like she has been the entire time.
Again, you're not reading it. I'm referencing the last part. Literally just read.
Sounds like they read it, and decided it sounded like bullshit.
They keep referencing what Jill said, which tells me they didn't read it. I didn't say anything about what Jill said. I referenced the fact that they were making a documentary about the event. And they literally condemned it as an "attack". Insurrectionists defend the insurrection
She’s a Russian shill. That’s what the article says. I fail to see why you’re here defending it still.
Some people just can't read I guess. Or are you a bot?
You’re not getting it man. No matter how hard you defend her, or accuse people of shit with zero evidence- the facts don’t change here.
There’s what they claim they were there for that hasn’t been litigated yet and what they are seen on video doing (carrying around a bike rack style blockade and waving a gadsen flag). This is completely ignoring the recent assault charges they’ve received these are both easily found online.
Yeah. While I think its wack to vote 3rd party given the risks of a republican win with anything nowadays. Stein has been around for awhile and if she was motivated by a win at all costs type thing she would not be part of the green party. I mean she could have easily ran for house or senate as a democrat and likley have had a political career for the last few decades.
Cornell West 2024!!!