U.S. Suspends Military Aid to Ukraine
telesurenglish.net
"We have issued the last package that we had withdrawn and for which we had funding," John Kirby said. White House National Security Council strategic communications coordinator John Kirby said at a briefing Thursday that "the assistance we were providing has come to a halt."
The White House official also said it is very important that Congress continues to approve the allocation of money to Ukraine. He stressed that Kiev needs help more urgently during the winter period.
Putin is going to give all of his U.S. congressional pawns a big bonus this week.
MTG and Boebert will be dining out at the finest roadside BBQ restaurant in their districts tonight
maybe even see a movie, exchange dick pics..
a nice handjob between courses
That does sound nice.
It's sad to watch these world leaders who understand long strategy use the short American attention span to twist global politics to their own ends.
Dressed with a little sauce of using allies and their regional Middle Eastern vassals to also open a conflict that divides the attention.
Ruble isn't doing great tho đ€Ł
That's fine, he'll just take the money out of one of his Swiss bank accounts.
I could have sworn that The Swiss froze all Russian accounts. Like I vaguely remember a major headline that The Swiss had broken a several hundred year "neutrality" streak.
I think it's OK to put the blame where appropriate here. "U.S. Republican Congressional pawns."
The headline is a bit misleading, as you can see in the 2nd paragraph of the submission text, it's the current round of assistance that has halted, and they're pushing for Congress to continue their support of Ukraine.
Unfortunately this has become a partisan issue where the speaker of the house mike Johnson just refuses to put any bill to the floor for this aid. He can gatekeep these bills as a form of blackmail to get other concessions.
But any concessions need to be totally one-sided else the maga extremists will call a vote to relieve the speaker of duty.
The maga extremists have found a way to do to the US what Orban has been doing to the EU.
Edit: the expectation is that any bill for aid to Ukraine that is put to vote will be easily passed by democrats and a group of republicans that are in favor.
How the hell did we go from McCarthyism to "hurting Russia is less important than hurting democrats" in this hellhole?
The rest of the world is also wondering.
I personally think that the efforts by troll factories have something to do with it. There is no direction that troll factories push in, it's only "chaos" (active destabilization). And the loon squad of maga seems to have been like striking gold.
It's pretty easy for a foreign government to buy a small handful of US Congresspeople or Senators to do their bidding.
The president even apparently. Trump made bank last time around.
Because McCarthyism wasn't about being anti-Russia, it was about being anti-communist. And since Communism is generally (always?) politically left, it's still and always has been about being reactionary conservative.
It wasn't even about political alignment, it was about trotting out a bogeyman to scare people into reactionary voting instead of informed voting.
Same as it ever was.
Same as it ever was.
Well there's been about forty to fifty years between them. So... a lot?
Dark money and the southern strategy.
Once the cold war was over they needed a new enemy to vilify.
Purposely so, that site was using sources and links to RT news.
Yeah, the site is suspect. The article uses the Russian spelling "Kiev" instead of the Ukranian "Kyiv," which is a giveaway that the site might be spreading Russian propaganda. Also:
https://www.bfna.org/digital-world/growing-audiences-and-influence-russian-media-in-latin-america-7wlrwqpupm/
Argentina has a lot of Russians that go there to have their baby. Apparently the baby gets citizenship if born there. So a lot of Russian young couples go there apparently. I personally know 2 couples that did this and heard of several more so.. n=5(ish)
What does having Argentinian citizenship get you though, from a Russian's perspective?
As I understand it, the parents then also apply.
Once they have argentinian citizenship they can stay out of Russia indefinitely or untill the war ends. A lot of countries have maximum stay dirations.
Also the argentinian passport allows them to travel using said passport, making travel easier in many countries at the moment.
Lastly it allows them to apply for naturalization in 3rd countries coming from Argentina and that is also better for some skilled laborers apparently. At least that's what I understood from their explanation.
And it's not that it has halted.
It has concluded.
It being halted would mean that that which was meant to be allocated is stopped from being allocated before all of it was allocated.
I'm sure Ukraine appreciates the difference.
If Zelensky and Ukrainians actions and words are an indicator, yes, they appreciate the difference between bullshit and saying what's what.
Have you missed them pleading for continued US support?
It's clear that Ukraine is of "National Security Interests". So I vote we just take a lil bit of the budget allocated for military spending and use it where it would be best served.
it's mostly a gear refresh for our military anyway. we send them stuff we have stockpiled, then we spend the allocated money on new shit for us.
That's exactly what the US was doing.
It was separate aid budget, that purchased surplus from the military at the current book value.
I think he suggested actual military budget already allocated.
I say we send volunteers from the US military directly, and all their equipment too. Iâm sure we can find plenty of right wing dumbasses in the ranks to chew up. Solves three problems at once!
I say that if we're volunteering other people's lives we start with yours. You can't simultaneously say that the Russian military threat is real and also that people in the military have disposable lives. That's precisely how Republicans view the military.
That is how all militaries work though.
Funny how are government starts fucking up the war most Americans support AND fucking up the other one that most Americans don't support.
One of those effects the transfer of capital far more than the other. The whole reason we have a navy is to police international waters for commerce.
Just so we're paying attention to our news sources,
Telesur (stylized as teleSUR) is a Latin American terrestrial and satellite news television network headquartered in Caracas, Venezuela and sponsored by the governments of Venezuela, Cuba and Nicaragua. .
i can post peoples world as a counter source
Take the Israel weapon donations, ship them through a sketchy ukranian subcontractor in Ukraine, "lose them" in such a way the ukraine government "aquires" them. Two problems solved.
There isn't any funding for Israel either. The bill they're working on now has Israel, Ukraine, and additional US border security dollars in there.
https://apnews.com/article/us-israel-gaza-arms-hamas-bypass-congress-1dc77f20aac4a797df6a2338b677da4f
That is selling arms to Israel, doesn't require US funding.
Israel didn't get donations. They paid for them. If Ukraine showed up with $1B, the US would sell them weapons too.
(Ignoring that US gives Israel and Egypt billions just to not fight.)
We could send all of the people fighting the war on drugs, they're used to achieving nothing.
Most cops would never make it through that much required training, tbh.
rip
Do they even still need it? Russia is putting on a pretty sad show.
Yes they do. Russia has far more meat to send to the grinder than Ukraine has bullets for.
That's fucked. Some real Zapp Brannigan bullshit.
The Kurds welcome Ukraine in joining the long list of groups abandoned and left in ruins by the US after being promised support to fight their enemy as long as needed.
Biden needs to focus on committing Genocide now. He has no time for Ukrainians beating an invasion. Surely Zeloonsky understands, he unconditionally supports israel's genocide himself.
Except this is Biden's Whitehouse continuing to tell Congress to approve aid and the GOP blocking that. This was the last package the US could provide without further congressional action. That's not likely as long as GOP runs the house. Biden and the Democratic party have been pretty lock step in providing aid.
what does Biden's whitehouse do to sidestep congress when giving money to Israel, then?
It did not. It allowed Israel to make a purchase with money Israel has that Congress would have approved anyway a little faster.
I'm gonna start a bingo card about shit Lemmings say about US politics. This exaggerated and mostly inaccurate rhetoric is really grating.
It really is wild how ignorant people are on here.
Biden has nothing to do with this, and if it were up to Biden, we would continue sending help to ukraine.
You are so far up your own ass
What a cop out. If Biden put the same effort into getting Ukraine weapons as he does for israel he could certainly find a way. He just doesn't.
Just like how Biden can't fix the student loans because "muh Republicans". It's Good cop Bad cop and you're still falling for it.
You realize he's President, and not King, right?
This comment a good example of why its important to learn and understand how our government functions.
The President is not a dictator and our government has separation of powers specifically to prevent abuses by one person.
Your understanding of government would also allow Donald Trump to do anything he wanted as well, which would clearly be a terrible outcome.
>This comment a good example of
condescension.
I do think its interesting there are multiple people in this post that basically say the same thing "why doesnt Biden just do anything he wants, he's the President"
he should. make the supreme court stop him. make the senate remove him. once he abolishes a department, or takes the money and spends it, or whatever, there is no real recourse.
I'm not a fan of dictatorships
me either. and i'm sick of the facade that the united states constitution prevents them. time to go mask-off and let people decide if this is really the governmetn they want to live under.
Why do you think Biden chose to bypass Congress for Israel instead of Ukraine?
No more military aid until Ukraine is willing to let the aid be properly tracked or vetted.
Insurgency and terrorist groups are goint to wind up with a lot of this equipment. See the middle east and other areas for examples.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/19/politics/us-weapons-ukraine-intelligence/index.html
https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/11/politics/pentagon-tracking-weapons-ukraine-report/index.html
This is not why the aid is being withheld. Idk what kind of fallacy this is but its a pretty disgusting one.
Where did I say this is the reason why its being withheld currently by Republicans?
I posted why I don't want to continue providing funding and supplies in the way we have been.
You posted something that doesn't matter at all. Why don't you post about the actual topic?
You support republicans helping Russia unless Biden caves on treating asylum seakers as animals.
I said nothing about asylum seekers nor Republicans.
Yes exactly, pure bad faith. How about we talk about the actual reason the Ukraine Aid is being held?
your accusation of bad faith is, itself, bad faith.
The aid is being withheld so that Biden starts treating asylum seekers horrendously. You talking about something unrelated as cover for this desired horrific republican policy is not great to see on this website.
you don't know who you're talking to.
What nonsense. These other places are not in an existential war.
Will some if it get stolen.. probably.
Does Ukraine have Every incentive to prevent, minimize and hunt down anyone slightly even thinking of depriving their military of needed stuff.. ofcourse.
Properly track what? Did they expect recital from frontline soldiers after firing a 155 or a javelin?
Existential war for who? Its not for me or my neighbors. I feel for the people of Ukraine, but I don't understand why suddenly the left is so hawkish to remain the world police. Where is your energy for every other conflict that happens?
Yes, other aid we give has logistics tracking munitions like javelins... That's why we requested it from Ukraine.
If their situation is so dire, why are they in a position to reject basic record keeping requests?
Existential for Ukranians, so much is obvious.
You invoke "The left" but GOP republicans (The not maga loons) also all agree this is a national security issue for the US that requires aid and support.
The suspension of aid has nothing to do with tracking issues of Aid given.
In addition, and this is an important one: From the link you provided: https://edition.cnn.com/2024/01/11/politics/pentagon-tracking-weapons-ukraine-report/index.html
This seems to say that the issue is with capacity on US DOD side (ODC-Kiyv is part of the US Department of defense). They are unable to go though all information they have, so your statement that Kiyv is not providing the information cannot be taken from the article.
Finally, the fact that your stance "If it does not impact me, it's not important" is a very shortsighted one, that also completely ignores that this aid does so much more than just help Ukraine, both Domestically in the US and especially in the Geopolitical and trade theatre.
You're being downvoted, but this sounds pretty fair to me.
He's being downvoted because this is not why the aid is being withheld by republicans.
Unfortunately this instance is an echo chamber and the hive mind has already decided to blindly fund them no matter what.
Ukraine has notable corruption problems and they actively reject our requests for inventory management while also doubling down on their demands for aid.
I support Ukraine's right to sovereignty and defense. But that doesn't mean we must sign up for a blank check and a complete lack of basic accountability.
I love how we can't get anything done about our borders from the Democrats, yet, when THEY ask for more funds for Ukraine, the Republicans are just supposed to say "sure!"
Border states are turning down billions in federal aid to try and make Democrats look bad. I guess they're convincing some dumber people.
Do you really think there hasn't been a single thing done about our borders?
Well the first issue is that you think there's a problem with the border.
Spoken like a true Democrat. Sincerely, someone who lives near the border.
My guy, the border is a boogeyman issue republicans push to win elections and try to make democrats look bad. For all the bloviating they do, republicans don't do anything about the border either.
Pppfff.. maga extremists already announced that even if Biden and his people would magically resolve an issue that has been unresolved for over 40 years.. they still would not vote for it. As this would give the president credit.